'Why does he keep speaking English to me?' Chinese woman scolds AirAsia crew for not speaking Mandarin
https://www.asiaone.com/malaysia/airasia-d7809-incident-china-female-passenger-speak-chinese-english
https://www.asiaone.com/malaysia/airasia-d7809-incident-china-female-passenger-speak-chinese-english
77 Comments
tal@lemmy.today · 116 pts · 123d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirAsia
I mean, you're on a budget Malaysian airline flying to Malaysia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
hr_@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 123d
Don't get me wrong, this woman is a Karen and actually quite typical of the mainland China entitlement and behavior. BUT there's a massive amount of mandarin speaking people in Malaysia to the point where it's a destination for mainland Chinese. Not excusing her ridiculous behavior but providing context here.
BurnedDonutHole@ani.social · 91 pts · 123d
Unless you experienced Asian racism you didn't experience racism fully. They don't like anyone, even their own people. I've witness people being racist because someone is from another village let alone a city or country. I wonder if they also hate themselves as well.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 52 pts · 123d
Wouldn't hating someone from another village just be like generic Xenophobia? I can't imagine two villagers from the same Asian country but two different villages are genetically distinct enough to count as different "races". Or are we just using "racist" to mean "bigoted"
Klear@quokk.au · 33 pts · 123d
Race is a social construct, not genetic.
srecko@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 123d
I agree, but that construct has a specific meaning, we don't consider a random person from nearby village to be a different race.
ech@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 123d
"We" isn't as universal as you are suggesting here.
srecko@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 123d
Tuk me a while but you are right. Didn't think about it enough.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
Race is a specific and slightly technical word, the way "clutch" refers to an automobile part, and does not apply to wheels or odometer or pedal.
If you want to use it in a really sloppy way, that's kind of useless in a serious discussion about prejudice.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 123d
Depends. Many Asian countries consists of many different ethnic groups. So they do see each other as different races.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
Race and ethnicity are similar but different. Not synonymous in sociology.
victorz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 123d
Very good point, that doesn't seem like racism to me either
angrystego@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 123d
The word "rasist" is nowadays often used more widely. You're right about the strict definition. I also think it's reasonable to use it in a wider sense if the underlying feelings are the same, which seems to be the case here.
nulluser@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 123d
But, I mean, English already has a word for that (bigoted).
Having, and properly using, different words for even slightly different concepts is important for efficient and effective communication. If everyone just starts lazily using one word to mean multiple similar concepts, when other words already exist for those concepts, then that just leads to misunderstandings and confusion.
I understand that non-native speakers may not yet have the vocabulary necessary to use the correct words, but that's an opportunity for them to learn the correct words, not an excuse to dumb down the language.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
Do you put oil in your gas tank?
rozodru@piefed.world · 40 pts · 123d
I play EVE Online which has a decently sized Chinese playerbase and my god those racist fucks would give racists in the west a run for their money. See it daily of "small brained whites" or "The whites are here" or "white pig" or "sleepy whites".
But as soon as you joke and say "man it looks like the Tianamen Square Massacre of 1989 in here" in local chat they all collectively freak out on you.
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 123d
Well man, they just are being mean and you suddenly drop a -100k social credit account bomb with area of effect.
setsubyou@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 123d
We have this in Germany too. Traditionally, the area where I live hates the area where I was born. These two places are maybe an hour apart and in the same state. All because they were governed by different nobles ages ago who had different ideas about Christianity. Tbh though it was much more of a thing in my parents’ generation.
mech@feddit.org · 53 pts · 123d
In Germany, hating others based on where they were born becomes more socially accepted the closer the "other" gets.
Hating people from other countries is bad, hating people from East Germany is problematic, hating people from the neighboring German state is OK and hating people from the neighboring village is funny.
nysqin@feddit.org · 11 pts · 123d
Damn, that's surprisingly apt.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 123d
I mean? If it leads to a mostly harmless rivalry, that’s quite fun.
Somehow, I get the feeling it’s not that.
Thorry@feddit.org · 5 pts · 123d
Yes I have experienced the exact same. I was questioned by "locals" when I moved villages. They wanted to know if I was doing enough for the community and keeping up with local events. My man I was born less than 10kms away.
I guess they just prefer inbreeding and keeping the village to themselves. Not realizing without all the new construction and new people the village would have died out 20 years ago.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
OK, this is not unique to old established places, as out here in settler land, where dispossession of the original folk was only a generation or three ago, if you move into an insular village or island, you don't get to be a local for about 20 years. Maybe, if you satisfy the right cliques.
mech@feddit.org · 10 pts · 123d
That's not racism, that's just being an asshole.
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 123d
I mean, people in a town I lived in were upset because kids from the next town over were using the public swimming pool. This was in northern Virginia, so not liking people from another village anywhere in the world hardly seems strange.
Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 122d
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 122d
seems like classist/elitist, than racism.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
Not all prejudice is racism, as that refers to an ideology pushing a hierarchy based on the misconception that race is white black asian etc.. What you are talking about isn't even ethnocentric since the ethnicity is the same. We have other more accurate terms for regional parochial xenophobia, but plain "prejudice" is not wrong.
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev · 1 pts · 123d
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 123d
Zron@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 123d
Ah yes, all the Swedes I had to ban from my discord for calling my black friends the N word were just being overly enthusiastic.
Fuck you, every country has racists. Racism rises from a lack of empathy, exposure, and education. There’s always cruel, sheltered, idiots running around.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 123d
I found the comment funny for anyone who knows asia and in particular india. It is kinda where you come from but just like the earth there is a skin color difference in north south things.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 123d
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 123d
Yeah thats a load of horseshit. Especially coming from a swede. Racism began in Europe and the Swedes have a pretty large amount of active nazis. The "weight" is exactly the same and I pity anyone dumb/naive enough to think different...
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 123d
Who spends time making excuses for racists saying the N word?
Weird.
Zexks@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 123d
Other racists
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 123d
You haven't been to asia it seems, we definitely did racism by skin colour as well.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
But if you are all Asian it's bigotry or xenophobia or a few other terms that don't involve the huge groups that are "races". Colour prejudice looks like racism but doesn't use the same hierarchy.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 122d
Sure, we don't have the "dark skin as slave fair skin as master" history, but we definitely practice it like we have it. It's the same mindset.
In Malaysia, whiteworshipping is very real. The darker you are, the worst you're being treated, so indian are worst off because they have the darkest skin of all the ethnic in malaysia, they will have lower chance of getting jobs, house rental, and be treated as if they have higher chance of committing crime by the police. We even have derogatory name for them.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 122d
Yep that’s a prejudiced mindset alright, but as you are all the same "race" in that system, it's bigotry based on skin colour, which is similar but different. A racist would put you all in the same bucket.
To be clear, it's possible to be racist, ethnocentric, xenophobic, and classist all in the same breath, and each is a different prejudice.
Caste can be very much like racism sometimes, but it's still a different system of discrimination.
edit: removed typo
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 122d
The heck are you talking about
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 122d
Thanks, fixed, left it plural by accident. Racists believe in human races, breaking down into groups based on continents and general appearance. Asians, Europeans, Africans, Americans, etc. It is superficial and unscientific but the groups of Asians you are referring to as prejudiced towards one another would all be seen as one race and on the same level of their stupid hierarchy, so not racism.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 123d
Was in Thailand years ago helping out with an English-language program in a rural area. Noticed in the department stores when we went into town that Jergens sells a lot of lotions with "skin lightening" in the marketing...
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
This typically comes from class hierarchies not genetic myths. Poor people work in the sun.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 123d
I realize that. One of the guys who helped out as a grounds-keeper would wear a fleece-lined coat when outside. In Northeast Thailand. In June. He claimed that when a breeze came through the sleeves it cooled you down. Sure.
I also went to college with a Japanese girl who took up surfing. Her family would criticize her for how dark her skin had gotten. It was amusing to me, as an American, how we came to prize darker skin (but not too dark, yeah?) and the same companies that sold us "bronzers" and stuff sold creams that did the opposite in other parts of the world.
Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · 46 pts · 123d
The 'everyone should adapt to my needs' shit needs to end for all countries
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 123d
Si, me tienen las pelotas re contra llenas
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 123d
Lo siento. Toma esta pelota.
ichwillhierraus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 123d
Havent seem the video, but in dpanair they do speak spainidh and i do not accept they cant.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 39 pts · 123d
I wonder what the Chinese equivalent of a Karen is...
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 123d
It’s delightful to see this phenomenon happening in another country.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 123d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dama
SorryImLate@piefed.social · 4 pts · 123d
Interesting read but not the same as a Karen in my mind.
mech@feddit.org · 22 pts · 123d
Of course it's not the same. It's a completely different culture and history.
But Teng Wei's criticism applies to the "Karen" insult as well.
socsa@piefed.social · 6 pts · 123d
Let's be honest - that exact same subtle misogyny follows "Karen" as well.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 123d
People being surprised that bad people can come from other countries is a weird take on US exceptionalism that I didn't expect.
ech@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 123d
Really? I see it every time. Bad thing happens in US: "Of course it did. Where else could it?" Bad thing happens outside of US: "Wow. [Other Place] really acting like the US here." Apparently racism, violence, and most other human sins only exist in the US to some people. It's weird.
Soulg@ani.social · 11 pts · 123d
This, but especially since Trump was elected again it's been notched up to 11,000. It's quite annoying actually
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 123d
If I pin a ribbon to my lapel, it calls for comments.
Soulg@ani.social · 1 pts · 122d
Even if you purposefully chose not to pin the ribbon to your lapel because you wanted the rose, but someone else came up to you and punched you in the face to force the ribbon on you
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 122d
Lots of countries have their own exceptionalism going on. Especially in the demographics that can afford to travel.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 123d
I’m not saying she was right, but I will say, if I was flying from the United States to Mexico, I would be very confused if the flight crew only spoke Chinese.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 123d
Yes, but, that's not what happened here. It was an international flight, and there were employees who spoke Chinese, and did so to try to calm her down. She was mad at one employee for not speaking Chinese.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 121d
How do you say Karen in Mandarin?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 123d
Didn't expect a Chinese Karen on my timeline this morning.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 123d
This makes me wonder: what is the Mandarin-language equivalent of the American "Karen?"
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 122d
ikidd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 123d
British thing as well. Fuck you if you're from Derby.
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 123d
Klear@quokk.au · 10 pts · 123d
Found the guy from Derby!
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 123d
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 123d
You’ve already experienced the highlight, so domt waste your time going back.
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 123d
Because its derby
J92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
Is this Henry Paker's account?
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 122d
It seems fair to assume that if someone on a flight continues to use their phone after being told not to that they are a dumbass American. 😉
allywilson@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 123d
Rise of the Mandarin-elite?
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 123d
Rise of the Mandarolians
SorryImLate@piefed.social · -1 pts · 123d
New world order on its way. I wonder how long it will take Western countries to start offering Mandarin in school.
Edit to add: To clarify: I don't mean offered as an optional language but as mandatory, the way English is right now in, for example, Switzerland.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 123d
Learning Mandarin in public west europe school has been possible for literal decades.
SorryImLate@piefed.social · -1 pts · 123d
Possible but not required. I meant as a replacement for how English is currently a mandatory foreign language in many European countries.
allywilson@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 123d
...Pretty sure it was offered 20 years ago in Scotland, a friend's son was doing it.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 123d
I knew of a lot of racist types in my youth (so, 25+ years ago) who would encourage kids to learn Mandarin because "in a few years we'll all be working for them."
Brummbaer@pawb.social · -1 pts · 123d
I don't think that will ever happen, China is not imperialist enough for that.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 123d
Won't require that as much as a demand from local business to produce a workforce that can do business with China.