Well, statistically the individuals most likely to frequent an alternative social media platform are those with a) the technical proficiency to do so, b) Weak social anchoring to the network effects of mainstream platforms, and/or b) people whose past social interactions have led them to no longer have access to those platforms, ergo by self-selection bias there's a high probability of finding other high functioning individuals on the spectrum on this platform. Lemmy/Piefed's primary use case is basically socially-awkward-networking.
Also, the process is somewhat reversible: Retrobright
However:
The long-term effectiveness of these techniques is unclear. Some have discovered the yellowing reappears, and there are concerns that the process weakens and only bleaches the already damaged plastic.
Yeah retrobright is.. Basically only a reasonable option if you want things to look good for gathering footage, it'll go back to looking like shit within a year or two.
I somewhat agree, that looking purely at the data would be boring, especially when it's on a topic too complex to understand. However, I think science content creators prove it doesn't have to be boring. However, they're usually making content on specific topics. A science museum is trying to touch everything.
I find that the hierarchy of evidence combined with the ability to critique research is the foundation upon which sits pretty much all of my opinions. It's a shame kids aren't taught this from a young age; it would make manipulating them as adults so much harder.
Once you realise the strength of the peer review process, you realise that most peoples opinions dont actually matter: we have strong research on that.
Once you realise the strength of the peer review process, you realise that most peoples opinions dont actually matter: we have strong research on that.
We also have research on people ignoring peer reviewed data in favour of random facts from random sources.
kids aren't taught that at a young age because they can't grasp it at a young age.
and frankly, most adults can't either. it's too abstract for them.
our ability to understand abstract concepts like scientific method begin at age 12. that's why you start doing science experiments in class in junior high.
But there's a third option. There's a difference between complete absence of this topic in the curriculum, and simplified versions of it that increase in difficulty with capability. Mirroring other stages of educational development.
At the moment there's a complete absence. At least in any country I'm aware of. Until late high school level which is way too late.
Young kds understand hierarchies. Social hierarchies start to form on the first day of kindergarten.
Teaching an 8 year old that science research sits at the top of a pyramid and newspapers and TV sitd at the bottom, would be easy to grasp. There's nothing stopping us removing the detail and teaching a simplified structure that can then be built upon in subsequent years.
Edit: in regards to your edit, I was taught a simplified scientific method from age 8, not 12.
Nah, astronomical spectroscopy is cool as hell and it's really easy to have simplified examples you can fiddle with. At its most basic you're using a prism to divide the sun's light and measuring the visible bands. (This is pretty much how infrared light was discovered in 1800!)
Most art reflects on cultural and historical contexts that kids might not be aware of yet.
Most science museums are geared toward teaching scientific principles that kids are also less likely to be aware of.
So art museums depend on existing knowledge, while science museums supply knowledge to those who don’t yet have it.
Because of our cultural conceptions of the two subjects.
In our culture, it is quite well accepted that for practical reasons, children need to be exposed to and made interested in science and technology from a young age. That way they can become engineers who make good money and help us outcompete our technological/economic rivals. Having a child who becomes a successful engineer (or other stem profession, like a doctor or accountant) is seen as the mark of successful parenting to the middle class, as these roles make a good wage, contribute to society, are reasonably high up the social status heirarchy, and have a clear and achieveable path to success. Therefore parents, who are far more likely to be voters in their cities, will be willing to support spending tax dollars on science museums that are interesting and engaging to children.
And another factor is that science museums designed for children are often just as interesting and engaging for adults. The vast majority of adults have largely forgotten their high school physics or chemistry, and will enjoy remembering those lessons with hands-on demonstrations just as much as children. And while children and their parents are often the biggest target demo of science museums, in larger or more educated cities at least, many museums try to appeal to larger demographics. For example, in my city the Natural History and Science Museum has regular changing exhibits that go in-depth on topics that many find interesting. A while ago, I saw their exhibit on poison, which had a lot of interesting things to learn about the history of poison, evolution, biology, and chemistry. And most people at the exhibit were adults without children.
Anyway - art. Art, on the other hand, is not a viable career path (according to our cultural consensus). Parents want their children educated enough in art to make it a hobby and so they will be well rounded... but they don't really want their child harboring fantasies of becoming a writer or painter or musician, since these careers tend to have poor wages, have no clear path to middle class success, and will probably end up with their child living in a bohemian commune and getting a neck tattoo. Hence, there is not nearly as much pressure for large investments in the arts that appeal to children.
On the other hand, enjoying art is a sign of high social status. Here, we should differentiate between pop art and high art. Pop art doesn't need museums, and therefore doesn't require public funding. The guy who will make you a trippy landscape painting with spraypaint next to the tilt-a-whirl is an artist - but his art will almost certainly never hang in an art museum. It is too lowbrow for that, and the purpose of art museums is to showcase highbrow art - art that the upper classes have deemed "good". Going to an art museum is a way of signalling social status because what is considered "good" - what is fashionable at the time - is constantly changing, and one can signal their social status by expressing their opinion of what is "good" or "bad", which signals their closeness to social elites. The closer you are to the elites, the faster you hear about their preferences, and the sooner you can mirror them. Of course, this nuance is lost on almost everyone - they just pick up from the cultural zeitgiest that going to the art museum is a very classy and sophistocated thing to do. And so when funding the city's art muesum comes up on the ballot, a middle class suburban 43 year old mother of two teenagers isn't thinking about the museum's impact on her children's education, but is rather thinking of her own self-conception as a high-minded individual who supports "the arts", and who really should get around to badgering her husband into taking her there so she can "keep up with what is going on in the art world" in her fancy dress (that is actually 10 years out of style and hasn't fit her for the last 7).
Hence why art museums are so often boring and stuffy. Their main purpose is to serve as a social space for elites during exclusive events. Elite tastes must not coincide with common tastes - and since most people like things that are nice and friendly and fun and happy, elite tastes must differentiate themselves by being boring, disconcerting, harsh, and uncomfortable - hence the popularity of modern art and architecture. The interesting and enjoyable thing about art museums is the opportinity to get drunk with elites during their exclusive events. Then the average person, who is not invited to these events, is allowed to feel sophisticated by visiting and staring at the painting that the elites had a conversation next to but never really looked at.
Popular art - art that people actually enjoy for its own sake - doesn't need museums, since it can be enjoyed in movie theatres, in art studios, on street corners, in crowded bars, at music festivals, at home on a phone or laptop, or next to the tilt-a-whirl.
My local nature and science museum is dumbing everything down by eliminating the need to read and make everything interactive. All the cool walk through exhibits are becoming interactive displays and games. :(
I can read way faster than I can listen to a narrated video or whatever, and I can easily split my attention without losing my place in the information.
I loved the DaVinci Museum! Second to the ADI design museum, but I'm a bit of a design nerd.
I hadn't realized the extent of his hand in essentially the existence of Milan. It's definitely one of the best non kiddie science museums I've been to.
The Fernbank in Atlanta is increasingly kiddie inside but out back they have an extensive forest of native plants which is super cool. They do adult nights sometimes but I think thats just adults getting drunk and doing kid stuff.
Capitalism wants workers and scientists, so it gets kids interested in science and doing things with their hands.
Art is only useful to capitalism for money laundering, and we don't want kids getting interested in culture and history or the idea they can influence culture, do we?
Idk you gotta let that go, different people find different things boring. I studied some art history doesn't tickle my funny bone in the slightest and that's perfectly OK.
I mean yeah that's the popular opinion based on OP premise. No opinion is ever going to be universal but you can take a poll and see which ones are more popular than others.
Honestly cos adults are scared to show wnimsy and a thirst for kmowledge, or have to pretend they knew about every cool thkng that is demonstrated in a science musem. And in arr museums, adukts will pretend to "get it" to impress their date whereas kids will usually not pretend to like a picture just to impress their parents.
Many art museums have recorded guides for kids. The one I went to the other day also gave kids the opportunity to paint their own paintings based on subjects (skulls, vases, fruit etc) the painter of the main exhibition (Césanne) used.
Most art needs context or understanding of a subject before it can be fully experienced. Something children generally don't have the base of knowledge to understand or appreciate. Though there is certainly art that is meant singularily with just the work itself sans anything else.
Needing that art history to appreciate it doesn't work for kids most of the time.
Science helps children understand the world they are a part of. They need it in a way that art generally doesn't.
This also changes depending on what science is on display but kids as already exposed to art in the form of media and the decor of the places they live.
Higher science or perhaps a better term might be more complicated science needs advanced education to be digested, and also much of science that is new to people would need to be read and understood in publication or it is behind restricted areas for safety and also IP reasons so not really something you can bring kids to to show them.
So it makes sense, it's not too difficult to understand. But there also is room for taking the time and effort to create museums that DO allow those things that usually arent allowed.
Art in action IS a museum/gallery
Science in action will often get you killed without proper safety and that would add significant cost to projects that already have funding issues.
And then there's things like CERN... You can get a tour!
Some of the most impactful demonstrations of science are hands-on activities. After all, any sufficiently advanced science starts to look like magic, and a major objective of science museums is to disabuse people of that notion. That these demos seem to be child-oriented is simply a result of not assuming any background knowledge of the topic. But even adults might not know how a tumbler lock works, or that electricity follows all paths in inverse proportion to resistance. If something is rooted in natural phenomena, age is not a prerequisite to understanding.
As an adult, I personally enjoy science museums precisely because they're the polar opposite of technical papers and textbooks: an accessible and chill mood to learn about stuff I've seen but never paid much attention to. I'm not so vain to think that I can't learn something from a museum visit. In some sense, adults going to science museum is akin to edutainment, the genre on YouTube. Some museums even specifically have after-hours events so that adults can roam without children in the way.
Some might also call it "adult learning" or "continuing education", but whatever it is, it's enriching for individuals and families alike.
To save the parents the embarrassment of having to explain something they don't understand.
Don't get me wrong, art can be just as awkward to explain but it is socially acceptable to chalk things you don't understand to the artist's creative whim
Gravity was Newton's creative whim, but Einstein looked at it and did a wild remix that more or less replaced it in the minds of scientists from then on
I think it is very hard to teach to a general audience at an intermediate level because that grey area between noobs and experts is so vast.
I have had a lot of interests I've tried to learn about on my own, and it is usually pretty easy to start out from nothing, since everything you get exposed to is new, and you feel an immediate acquisition of knowledge or skill.
Then at the expert level, you're interacting with people that should all have a high level of existing knowledge, and you don't need to worry about the audience coming into a presentation with wildly different degrees of understanding.
For a place like a museum that is usually designed to cater to a general audience, keeping things simple is simply going to appeal to a larger potential group of people. This is something I can lose sight of myself in talking with people about subjects I enjoy. They either aren't into it as much as I am and can only stay engaged so long, or I need to do a lot of talking to find out where their current level of experience is before I can start really elaborating.
If you can find staff that is willing to be engaged at a museum or whatever place you may be at, talking with them can really help you get a lot more out of things, whether that is to ELI5 or to go deeper into the subject. I've had people be able to explain different things to me in art museums or historical reenactments, and I've talked to lots of zookeepers and rehab workers to learn more about their captive breeding programs, animals that may not be currently out for display, training and education programs, or about various laws and regulations when working with animals that would bore 99% of a general audience. I love when people ask me about things at work or at events, because there are usually so few people that actually want me to really talk about some of the specialized things I know! Most people working these places will have a passion for what they are doing and may really appreciate having someone to share that with.
When I was a kid, I liked all sorts of museums, art, science, history, natural history, etc. As an adult, I still do, although I prefer Art Museums the most.
81 Comments
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 107d
Because adult science is complex and dull to people outside the field.
How do we know the makeup of the atmosphere of a planet in another solar system? That line on a graph is higher then the other one
Hettyc_Tracyn@lemmy.zip · 49 pts · 107d
Idk, that seems like that’d be interesting…
I am Autistic though
cynar@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 107d
So are a lot of scientists.
xSikes@feddit.online · 3 pts · 107d
Ditto
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
By a show of hands, how many here are autistic? Upvote = Yes, Downvote =No.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 107d
Well, statistically the individuals most likely to frequent an alternative social media platform are those with a) the technical proficiency to do so, b) Weak social anchoring to the network effects of mainstream platforms, and/or b) people whose past social interactions have led them to no longer have access to those platforms, ergo by self-selection bias there's a high probability of finding other high functioning individuals on the spectrum on this platform. Lemmy/Piefed's primary use case is basically socially-awkward-networking.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 107d
Is that why I seem to fit in so well here? I was just beginning to think I finally learned how to be normal...
forestbeasts@pawb.social · 2 pts · 106d
Well, you ARE normal! With the right people!
-- Frost
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
What if you aren't convinced one way or the other?
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 107d
Or diagnosed?
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
...or mildly so. It's an imperfect system with no fractional voting. It's our burden to bare.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 107d
They can upvote your comment! It's branching binaries, all the way down, until we reach enough possibilities!!
blarghly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 107d
Upvote = Yes, Downvote = Yes, but in denial
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 106d
Better question: how many have declared themselves autistic or even understand the DSM definition?
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
Is it fashionable? Or just more common than we think?
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 107d
Relevant xkcd
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 107d
Pretty much.
marcos@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 107d
There's nothing dull about seeing a spectrograph working.
Edit: also, how come you can't find a real hologram displayed in a museum?
treadful@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 107d
Watching a beige box seems kind of dull.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 107d
Did scientists figure out how to keep the beige box from turning into a yellow box?
spizzat2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 106d
Don't expose it to UV or excessive heat.
Also, the process is somewhat reversible: Retrobright
However:
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 105d
Yeah retrobright is.. Basically only a reasonable option if you want things to look good for gathering footage, it'll go back to looking like shit within a year or two.
marcos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
Make the box transparent.
But seriously, all of those have older versions that don't work as well but look absolutely cool.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 107d
If you're gonna make it transparent, make it out of this:
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 107d
I stood inside the grey box where the magic happens. It was not dull because there was a physicists explaining everything.
treadful@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 107d
That's a big box.
EDIT: I like the high tech foil.
ch00f@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 107d
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 5 pts · 107d
Just like most any difficult work that results mostly in knowledge, it takes self-satisfaction to get the "rewarding" part.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 107d
I somewhat agree, that looking purely at the data would be boring, especially when it's on a topic too complex to understand. However, I think science content creators prove it doesn't have to be boring. However, they're usually making content on specific topics. A science museum is trying to touch everything.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 107d
I find that the hierarchy of evidence combined with the ability to critique research is the foundation upon which sits pretty much all of my opinions. It's a shame kids aren't taught this from a young age; it would make manipulating them as adults so much harder.
Once you realise the strength of the peer review process, you realise that most peoples opinions dont actually matter: we have strong research on that.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 107d
We also have research on people ignoring peer reviewed data in favour of random facts from random sources.
kindnesskills@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 107d
Says who?
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 107d
Any study with a placebo or nocebo element.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Do we have data on people who understand the significance of peer reviewed research ignoring that research despite the understanding?
AskewLord@piefed.social · -1 pts · 107d
kids aren't taught that at a young age because they can't grasp it at a young age.
and frankly, most adults can't either. it's too abstract for them.
our ability to understand abstract concepts like scientific method begin at age 12. that's why you start doing science experiments in class in junior high.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
But there's a third option. There's a difference between complete absence of this topic in the curriculum, and simplified versions of it that increase in difficulty with capability. Mirroring other stages of educational development.
At the moment there's a complete absence. At least in any country I'm aware of. Until late high school level which is way too late.
Young kds understand hierarchies. Social hierarchies start to form on the first day of kindergarten.
Teaching an 8 year old that science research sits at the top of a pyramid and newspapers and TV sitd at the bottom, would be easy to grasp. There's nothing stopping us removing the detail and teaching a simplified structure that can then be built upon in subsequent years.
Edit: in regards to your edit, I was taught a simplified scientific method from age 8, not 12.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 107d
you have never been around children, have you?
flabberjabber@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 107d
If kid is capable of understanding basic scientific method at 8 years old, they can understand the basic structure of a hierarchy.
"X is more important than Y"
"Why sir"
"Because X uses the scientific method like we discussed in class last week and Y does not"
"What's the scientific method again sir"
repeats for retention
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 107d
that's not how kids work. nor do most people.
flabberjabber@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 107d
Okay. I don't agree with you, but that's fine. We can disagree.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
Nah, astronomical spectroscopy is cool as hell and it's really easy to have simplified examples you can fiddle with. At its most basic you're using a prism to divide the sun's light and measuring the visible bands. (This is pretty much how infrared light was discovered in 1800!)
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 107d
Most art reflects on cultural and historical contexts that kids might not be aware of yet.
Most science museums are geared toward teaching scientific principles that kids are also less likely to be aware of.
So art museums depend on existing knowledge, while science museums supply knowledge to those who don’t yet have it.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 107d
Because of our cultural conceptions of the two subjects.
In our culture, it is quite well accepted that for practical reasons, children need to be exposed to and made interested in science and technology from a young age. That way they can become engineers who make good money and help us outcompete our technological/economic rivals. Having a child who becomes a successful engineer (or other stem profession, like a doctor or accountant) is seen as the mark of successful parenting to the middle class, as these roles make a good wage, contribute to society, are reasonably high up the social status heirarchy, and have a clear and achieveable path to success. Therefore parents, who are far more likely to be voters in their cities, will be willing to support spending tax dollars on science museums that are interesting and engaging to children.
And another factor is that science museums designed for children are often just as interesting and engaging for adults. The vast majority of adults have largely forgotten their high school physics or chemistry, and will enjoy remembering those lessons with hands-on demonstrations just as much as children. And while children and their parents are often the biggest target demo of science museums, in larger or more educated cities at least, many museums try to appeal to larger demographics. For example, in my city the Natural History and Science Museum has regular changing exhibits that go in-depth on topics that many find interesting. A while ago, I saw their exhibit on poison, which had a lot of interesting things to learn about the history of poison, evolution, biology, and chemistry. And most people at the exhibit were adults without children.
Anyway - art. Art, on the other hand, is not a viable career path (according to our cultural consensus). Parents want their children educated enough in art to make it a hobby and so they will be well rounded... but they don't really want their child harboring fantasies of becoming a writer or painter or musician, since these careers tend to have poor wages, have no clear path to middle class success, and will probably end up with their child living in a bohemian commune and getting a neck tattoo. Hence, there is not nearly as much pressure for large investments in the arts that appeal to children.
On the other hand, enjoying art is a sign of high social status. Here, we should differentiate between pop art and high art. Pop art doesn't need museums, and therefore doesn't require public funding. The guy who will make you a trippy landscape painting with spraypaint next to the tilt-a-whirl is an artist - but his art will almost certainly never hang in an art museum. It is too lowbrow for that, and the purpose of art museums is to showcase highbrow art - art that the upper classes have deemed "good". Going to an art museum is a way of signalling social status because what is considered "good" - what is fashionable at the time - is constantly changing, and one can signal their social status by expressing their opinion of what is "good" or "bad", which signals their closeness to social elites. The closer you are to the elites, the faster you hear about their preferences, and the sooner you can mirror them. Of course, this nuance is lost on almost everyone - they just pick up from the cultural zeitgiest that going to the art museum is a very classy and sophistocated thing to do. And so when funding the city's art muesum comes up on the ballot, a middle class suburban 43 year old mother of two teenagers isn't thinking about the museum's impact on her children's education, but is rather thinking of her own self-conception as a high-minded individual who supports "the arts", and who really should get around to badgering her husband into taking her there so she can "keep up with what is going on in the art world" in her fancy dress (that is actually 10 years out of style and hasn't fit her for the last 7).
Hence why art museums are so often boring and stuffy. Their main purpose is to serve as a social space for elites during exclusive events. Elite tastes must not coincide with common tastes - and since most people like things that are nice and friendly and fun and happy, elite tastes must differentiate themselves by being boring, disconcerting, harsh, and uncomfortable - hence the popularity of modern art and architecture. The interesting and enjoyable thing about art museums is the opportinity to get drunk with elites during their exclusive events. Then the average person, who is not invited to these events, is allowed to feel sophisticated by visiting and staring at the painting that the elites had a conversation next to but never really looked at.
Popular art - art that people actually enjoy for its own sake - doesn't need museums, since it can be enjoyed in movie theatres, in art studios, on street corners, in crowded bars, at music festivals, at home on a phone or laptop, or next to the tilt-a-whirl.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 107d
Because they are….
Suer both may have aspects that appeal to the non primary age demographic but science museums are for kids and art museums aer for adults.
I am being literal about the term Science Museums.
The museum of Natural History is a museum about Science but it is not a science museum.
badbytes@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 107d
My local nature and science museum is dumbing everything down by eliminating the need to read and make everything interactive. All the cool walk through exhibits are becoming interactive displays and games. :(
sanpo@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 106d
Where's the problem? It makes learning much more approachable and interesting.
If I want to read, I can just stay at home and read on the Internet.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
I can read way faster than I can listen to a narrated video or whatever, and I can easily split my attention without losing my place in the information.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 107d
Science museums are FUN because the experience is the purpose: teach people scientific principles or exhibit the (progressive) history of science.
Art museums have different purposes: historical theses, expression, cultural development, discussion, drinking, or money laundering.
It makes some sense: science museums are educational focused, art museums are about very boring things that adults enjoy but kids might not.
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 107d
Because you didn't get enough art education when you yourself were a child.
Reyali@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 107d
Based on how a lot of adults act, I’d say we don’t get enough science education either.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 107d
My fave science museum is the DaVinci Museum in Milano. It not as kiddie as the others, and my teenage kids actually enjoyed it as much as I did.
Maybe it's halfway between an art museum and a science museum because DaVinci was kinda split that way too.
Doublenut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 107d
I loved the DaVinci Museum! Second to the ADI design museum, but I'm a bit of a design nerd.
I hadn't realized the extent of his hand in essentially the existence of Milan. It's definitely one of the best non kiddie science museums I've been to. The Fernbank in Atlanta is increasingly kiddie inside but out back they have an extensive forest of native plants which is super cool. They do adult nights sometimes but I think thats just adults getting drunk and doing kid stuff.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 106d
Capitalism wants workers and scientists, so it gets kids interested in science and doing things with their hands.
Art is only useful to capitalism for money laundering, and we don't want kids getting interested in culture and history or the idea they can influence culture, do we?
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 107d
Because science is fun and art is boring lol, like asking why the bouncy castle is for kids and why the conversation about traffic is for adults
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
I'm sad you think art is boring, art history is some of the most hilarious shit out there
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 106d
Idk you gotta let that go, different people find different things boring. I studied some art history doesn't tickle my funny bone in the slightest and that's perfectly OK.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
I mean, yeah, but you stated it at the start like art was boring universally. Now you're saying different people find different things boring.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 106d
I mean yeah that's the popular opinion based on OP premise. No opinion is ever going to be universal but you can take a poll and see which ones are more popular than others.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
Honestly cos adults are scared to show wnimsy and a thirst for kmowledge, or have to pretend they knew about every cool thkng that is demonstrated in a science musem. And in arr museums, adukts will pretend to "get it" to impress their date whereas kids will usually not pretend to like a picture just to impress their parents.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 107d
Meanwhile in history museums everyone regardless of age can join together in agreement that ancient Egypt was cool as fuck
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
Many art museums have recorded guides for kids. The one I went to the other day also gave kids the opportunity to paint their own paintings based on subjects (skulls, vases, fruit etc) the painter of the main exhibition (Césanne) used.
Randelung@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
We're all kids at heart. Go and press the button, it's fine!
Jarix@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
Most art needs context or understanding of a subject before it can be fully experienced. Something children generally don't have the base of knowledge to understand or appreciate. Though there is certainly art that is meant singularily with just the work itself sans anything else.
Needing that art history to appreciate it doesn't work for kids most of the time.
Science helps children understand the world they are a part of. They need it in a way that art generally doesn't.
This also changes depending on what science is on display but kids as already exposed to art in the form of media and the decor of the places they live.
Higher science or perhaps a better term might be more complicated science needs advanced education to be digested, and also much of science that is new to people would need to be read and understood in publication or it is behind restricted areas for safety and also IP reasons so not really something you can bring kids to to show them.
So it makes sense, it's not too difficult to understand. But there also is room for taking the time and effort to create museums that DO allow those things that usually arent allowed.
Art in action IS a museum/gallery
Science in action will often get you killed without proper safety and that would add significant cost to projects that already have funding issues.
And then there's things like CERN... You can get a tour!
litchralee@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 107d
Some of the most impactful demonstrations of science are hands-on activities. After all, any sufficiently advanced science starts to look like magic, and a major objective of science museums is to disabuse people of that notion. That these demos seem to be child-oriented is simply a result of not assuming any background knowledge of the topic. But even adults might not know how a tumbler lock works, or that electricity follows all paths in inverse proportion to resistance. If something is rooted in natural phenomena, age is not a prerequisite to understanding.
As an adult, I personally enjoy science museums precisely because they're the polar opposite of technical papers and textbooks: an accessible and chill mood to learn about stuff I've seen but never paid much attention to. I'm not so vain to think that I can't learn something from a museum visit. In some sense, adults going to science museum is akin to edutainment, the genre on YouTube. Some museums even specifically have after-hours events so that adults can roam without children in the way.
Some might also call it "adult learning" or "continuing education", but whatever it is, it's enriching for individuals and families alike.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 106d
I wanna go to an art museum that lets me touch and play with the art the way a science museum lets me touch and play with the science.
Mothra@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 107d
To save the parents the embarrassment of having to explain something they don't understand.
Don't get me wrong, art can be just as awkward to explain but it is socially acceptable to chalk things you don't understand to the artist's creative whim
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Gravity was Newton's creative whim, but Einstein looked at it and did a wild remix that more or less replaced it in the minds of scientists from then on
Ardyssian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 106d
Good observation. I think people who build museums are generally closer to Science than Art (or even just the adult population in general).
anon6789@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 107d
I think it is very hard to teach to a general audience at an intermediate level because that grey area between noobs and experts is so vast.
I have had a lot of interests I've tried to learn about on my own, and it is usually pretty easy to start out from nothing, since everything you get exposed to is new, and you feel an immediate acquisition of knowledge or skill.
Then at the expert level, you're interacting with people that should all have a high level of existing knowledge, and you don't need to worry about the audience coming into a presentation with wildly different degrees of understanding.
For a place like a museum that is usually designed to cater to a general audience, keeping things simple is simply going to appeal to a larger potential group of people. This is something I can lose sight of myself in talking with people about subjects I enjoy. They either aren't into it as much as I am and can only stay engaged so long, or I need to do a lot of talking to find out where their current level of experience is before I can start really elaborating.
If you can find staff that is willing to be engaged at a museum or whatever place you may be at, talking with them can really help you get a lot more out of things, whether that is to ELI5 or to go deeper into the subject. I've had people be able to explain different things to me in art museums or historical reenactments, and I've talked to lots of zookeepers and rehab workers to learn more about their captive breeding programs, animals that may not be currently out for display, training and education programs, or about various laws and regulations when working with animals that would bore 99% of a general audience. I love when people ask me about things at work or at events, because there are usually so few people that actually want me to really talk about some of the specialized things I know! Most people working these places will have a passion for what they are doing and may really appreciate having someone to share that with.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world · 2 pts · 106d
When I was a kid, I liked all sorts of museums, art, science, history, natural history, etc. As an adult, I still do, although I prefer Art Museums the most.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 107d
I think most children aren't very interested in most art that isn't made specifically for children.
Science meanwhile, there are a lot of ways to make that interesting to many children, with interactive elements and such.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 107d
because in the science museum they have a lot of touch/interactive exhibits. museums, don't.