According to the RAC it was earlier than 2010. But then I don't get a lifetime of medical debt if I get injured so at least at have that going for us. Currently.
Never really bothered to do the conversions but now I've just realised how cheap gasoline was in the US.
The cheapest I remember seeing pump prices in the uk was in late 90s where it was £0.65/L, which would make it around £2.46/gallon and therefore $4.15/gallon given the apparent exchange rate at the time.
In the late 90s (or maybe 2000) in the US Midwest, I remember paying $0.79 a gallon, or $0.21/L. With the exchange rate then, it works out to £0.13/L. So yeah, it was cheap. I filled my 15 gallon tank for the cost of 2 hours at my just above minimum wage job.
FWIW, I learned to drive when it was ~$0.95/gal, and lived in the UK ~'05, so I feel keenly that a fairer comparison might be each region's % of prol take-home avg that's leeched by fuel costs. Is there an acronym for that?
Let's say that these two nations' Unit Price and MPG/KPL avgs are:
US: $4.32/g | 26 mpg
UK: £1.59/L | 36 kpl
Also, the nat'l avgs of "median wage worker" incomes are:
US: $50,153 (£37,276.47)
UK: £32,236 ($43,369.83)
The fuel cost/yr as % of gross earnings, and minutes-of-work per fill unit would look like:
US: 2.12% | 7.4 mins/g (1.95/L) up 28% since 2019
UK: 1.01% | 4.5 mins/L (17.2/g) down 7% since 2019 (income rose 31%)
Now, for some of us, the slice off the year's top is image enough, but that "minutes of work per gallon/liter* punches low. 🤌🏼
If you find yourself with a surplus of joy and need it gone, run your own numbers for minutes per gallon/liter * (2*commute fuel usage) = minutes paid to earn the rest. 😅
With current exchange rates, that's 1.09 € per litre. In Germany we pay 1.90 € per litre ( for the cheap stuff).
So in Germany it is ~9.60$ per gallon.
I don't know about where you're sourcing your info, and I don't know enough about it to check this source, lol.
Regardless, they seem confident?:
By contrast, the United States is supposedly relatively well-off since we are largely self-sufficient and in fact a net exporter of natural gas.
While the point about the US having large oil and gas production is important, it distorts the impact in important ways. The simplest way to think about the surge in oil and natural gas prices is as a big tax on consumers of these products.
When people pay $3.50 at the pumps, instead of the $2.80 we paid a month ago, this would be the same thing to consumers as if the government imposed a 70 cent a gallon gas tax. There would be a similar story with higher prices for home heating oil or natural gas. From the standpoint of consumers, the price increases are the same as if they just got hit with a big tax increase.
The difference is that instead of the money going to the government, as it would with a tax, it’s going to the oil and gas industry, Donald Trump’s campaign contributors. In principle, for a country like the United States, which is largely self-sufficient in oil and gas, if we could just rebate the money people paid in higher prices back to consumers, all would be fine.
“Because American refineries require specific crude blends (and to maximize global market efficiency), the U.S. exports a significant amount of its crude and refined products, while concurrently importing crude oil.”
The US exports a majority of its oil as they don’t have the refining capacity for the type of oil (light sweet crude) it produces. They import heavy crude (mainly from Canada) that they use for domestic use as refineries are designed to refine heavy crude, and US heavy crude production has nearly run dry, mainly from California.
All those taxes are invested by the government into other stuff, much of which makes life cheaper for Germans. People don't pay out their asses for the German healthcare system because they already paid when buying gasoline. And the same goes for public transit and urban infrastructure and everything else.
And it is not enough. To even begin to account for the externalized damages due to the total emissions car based transport, taxes need to be way higher still.
Of course americans - land of the externalized costs - never gave a shit about that, and never will.
There are two things Americans love the most: boasting how much democracy and freedom they have, and waiting for some misterious "them" to do something.
It sure never gets fucking old pointing out to you stupid dense fucks that the first group is the ones who voted in the tangerine menace and that the ones here aren't those people, but ya sure keep asking us to die for your petrol prices or some shit
I'm glad we had enough freedom and democracy to vote for the candidate who had vastly less backing from corporations and billionaires. Proof that we still are a democracy and not just money that wins elections.
"Boo hoo, we didn't vote, they elected a bad king for us, and now people on the internet ask us to do something about it. Can't you see, they don't let me to do anything, I'm just a small bean, boo hoo".
Hey, buddy, pick a line. Either you're small bean who can't do shit about fuck, in which case shut your face up and don't lash out, or you're strong capable American with pride and agency, in which case suck it up and go firebomb a whitehouse or some shit. Or do something more useful, up to you
it was at a club store gas station, so I'm not sure how much they are actively suppressing the price to keep people spending in the store. Elsewhere I was seeing from around 4.29 to 4.50 on Saturday in PA.
Wrong, because you wouldn't start a revolution. But hey, yo are no communists or anarchists right? Why fight when you can complain and pay 5 per gallon.
i mean, he did have access to the files, and he could have used it to have mango mussolini arrested but instead he handed the keys to the country and the nuclear codes to a man he himself called a fascist. so yes, Joe is indeed responsible for the situation the world is in. just because all republicans support pedophilia doesn't mean Dems don't help them.
Fuck Trump but Biden insisted on handing the US to fascists on a silver platter so I kind of hate him more even though he is less evil, at the very least I hope he knows deep down as he goes into the end of his life that he threw the futures of younger americans away with his grovelling, useless corporate centrism that could not see past the status quo. I hope that makes his last moments feel panicked and lonely.
Oh yeah and Biden is a Zionist, for which he can burn in hell for enabling the Palestinian Genocide.
Kamala Harris did pledge to start a war with Iran to defend Israel or prevent them from gaining nuclear weapons, and also called trump a pussy for not bombing Iran enough. So we were getting this one no matter what.
americans doing the same thing they always do, bomb populations unprovoked now complaining about the repercussions on their gas prices.
Let's all feel sorry for them.
70 Comments
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 75d
$5 per US gallon would be 98p (GBP) per litre. I don't think fuel has been that cheap here in the last 10 years.
brap@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 75d
According to the RAC it was earlier than 2010. But then I don't get a lifetime of medical debt if I get injured so at least at have that going for us. Currently.
ratel@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 75d
I think I ended up on the same chart - link for future people: https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time
kamenlady@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
I am one of the future people and appreciate the kink
eleijeep@piefed.social · 4 pts · 75d
Not that kind of pump.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 75d
I ran a pump and dump scheme with your mother last night, Trebek.
ratel@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 75d
Never really bothered to do the conversions but now I've just realised how cheap gasoline was in the US. The cheapest I remember seeing pump prices in the uk was in late 90s where it was £0.65/L, which would make it around £2.46/gallon and therefore $4.15/gallon given the apparent exchange rate at the time.
Botzo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
In the late 90s (or maybe 2000) in the US Midwest, I remember paying $0.79 a gallon, or $0.21/L. With the exchange rate then, it works out to £0.13/L. So yeah, it was cheap. I filled my 15 gallon tank for the cost of 2 hours at my just above minimum wage job.
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 74d
FWIW, I learned to drive when it was ~$0.95/gal, and lived in the UK ~'05, so I feel keenly that a fairer comparison might be each region's % of prol take-home avg that's leeched by fuel costs. Is there an acronym for that?
Let's say that these two nations' Unit Price and MPG/KPL avgs are:
Also, the nat'l avgs of "median wage worker" incomes are:
The fuel cost/yr as % of gross earnings, and minutes-of-work per fill unit would look like:
Now, for some of us, the slice off the year's top is image enough, but that "minutes of work per gallon/liter* punches low. 🤌🏼
If you find yourself with a surplus of joy and need it gone, run your own numbers for minutes per gallon/liter * (2*commute fuel usage) = minutes paid to earn the rest. 😅
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 74d
I recently bought petrol at $1.49AUD/L, which is roughly 75p and easily the cheapest I’ve bought it since the 90s.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 74d
Buy all your gas from Russia
Get into a proxy war with Russia
Blow up the pipeline they use to sell you their oil
???
Reform UK wins the next election
PostaL@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 75d
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
I actually saw $6.08 at my neighborhood gas station a few days ago. Been driving a Leaf since 2013 tho.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
Flipped over to a Volt in 2019 and I've never been happier
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 74d
A friend of mine loves his Volt. My wife and I just bought a 2023 Kia Niro. Feels a lot like a Leaf but with vastly longer range.
Proles_Uprising_Now@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 74d
I could ? about something too but then someone else could top my gloat and then someone else would top it maybe let's just not ...gloat
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 75d
Diesel here is 2€40 a litre.
Cheers!
Edit: France
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 75d
How many gallons is a euro, in Fahrenheit?
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 75d
The proper unit is Eagle talons per rifle caliber
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 3 pts · 75d
Is this the tsi awd talon or are we going cheap?
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 75d
"HWAT is the length of an American football field?"
"What do you mean, the playing field or including the end zones?"
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 73d
Dangit Bobby
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 75d
A hot dog divided by a luxury biscuit.
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 75d
Luxury biscuits? So, Nutella on hardtack?
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 75d
Just paid $2.03/L CAD here.
tomiant@piefed.social · 4 pts · 75d
No car master race reporting in. One big upside with being broke AF is laughing at the economy.
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 73d
Until bus fare goes up... again....
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 4 pts · 75d
So roughly 9.10€ per gallon. ~$10.60
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 73d
In 25 years, I've not seen anyone write a euro price like that
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 73d
It's intended to americans so I pre mashed it a bit.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 74d
How many football fields is that?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 75d
REGULAR - 5^29^
PREMIUM - 5^73^
EPSTEIN - 6^08^
JayDee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
Damn. They got them prices represented with exponents now. Those must be the Europe prices. /s
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 75d
Me paying 9.15 USD per gallon, just because I live in Europe
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
I would be paying by the Liter in Europe and get the discount
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 74d
9.15 USD per Liter seems unreasonable. That is roughly 461 cups per camel.
Source:
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 73d
1 camel is one kilodollar? I'm so confused! /s
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 75d
I paid $5.77 in West Virginia yesterday
UnexpectedBehavior@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 75d
With current exchange rates, that's 1.09 € per litre. In Germany we pay 1.90 € per litre ( for the cheap stuff). So in Germany it is ~9.60$ per gallon.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 75d
I'm not being shitty, but a real question. Do you have your own oil wells? We not only have our own oil, but we frack the shit out of our earth.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 75d
Doesn’t matter if you supply your own oil, it’s traded on world markets that determines the price.
ninja@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
The gas pricing map of the United States would contradict that.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 74d
Tell me you don’t understand oil markets without saying it.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 74d
I don't know about where you're sourcing your info, and I don't know enough about it to check this source, lol.
Regardless, they seem confident?:
https://cepr.net/publications/the-winning-and-losing-countries-from-high-oil-prices/
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 74d
“Because American refineries require specific crude blends (and to maximize global market efficiency), the U.S. exports a significant amount of its crude and refined products, while concurrently importing crude oil.”
The US exports a majority of its oil as they don’t have the refining capacity for the type of oil (light sweet crude) it produces. They import heavy crude (mainly from Canada) that they use for domestic use as refineries are designed to refine heavy crude, and US heavy crude production has nearly run dry, mainly from California.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 74d
Germany doesn't have its own oil wells, that's one of the reasons it invaded the USSR in WW2: to get to the oil wells in Chechnya.
But the real reason is economic redistribution. Germany has a 19% value added tax and a €0.65/L excise tax, without which that €1.90/L gasoline comes out to €1.05 per litre - cheaper than in West Virginia.
All those taxes are invested by the government into other stuff, much of which makes life cheaper for Germans. People don't pay out their asses for the German healthcare system because they already paid when buying gasoline. And the same goes for public transit and urban infrastructure and everything else.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 74d
Some states have those taxes too. Not every state is evil about healthcare, but most are.
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
TBF you tax the crap out of your gas.
That is a choice.
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 75d
And it is not enough. To even begin to account for the externalized damages due to the total emissions car based transport, taxes need to be way higher still.
Of course americans - land of the externalized costs - never gave a shit about that, and never will.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 75d
y'all are paying more than Canadians. last night it was $1.55/L
damn you're winning hard
also, fuel in Canada should still be more expensive.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 75d
£1.92 a litre for diesel at my local petrol station the last time I went.
A quick currency check says that's 3.54 Canadian dollars.
All because an orange child rapist is trying to distract everyone from all those decades of raping little girls.
dotCody@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
$2.45/L in the real parts of Canada.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 74d
what parts are those?
dotCody@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 73d
Hongcouver.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
There are two things Americans love the most: boasting how much democracy and freedom they have, and waiting for some misterious "them" to do something.
Soulg@ani.social · -3 pts · 74d
It sure never gets fucking old pointing out to you stupid dense fucks that the first group is the ones who voted in the tangerine menace and that the ones here aren't those people, but ya sure keep asking us to die for your petrol prices or some shit
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 74d
I'm glad we had enough freedom and democracy to vote for the candidate who had vastly less backing from corporations and billionaires. Proof that we still are a democracy and not just money that wins elections.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
"Boo hoo, we didn't vote, they elected a bad king for us, and now people on the internet ask us to do something about it. Can't you see, they don't let me to do anything, I'm just a small bean, boo hoo".
Hey, buddy, pick a line. Either you're small bean who can't do shit about fuck, in which case shut your face up and don't lash out, or you're strong capable American with pride and agency, in which case suck it up and go firebomb a whitehouse or some shit. Or do something more useful, up to you
newton@feddit.online · 5 pts · 75d
So ? https://www.fuel-prices.eu/
NABDad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
It was down to $3.89 when I filled up yesterday.
it was at a club store gas station, so I'm not sure how much they are actively suppressing the price to keep people spending in the store. Elsewhere I was seeing from around 4.29 to 4.50 on Saturday in PA.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 74d
I can hear it in his voice
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 73d
my owning an electric car and charging said car off my solar panels
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 74d
I don’t really know whether that’s bad or good on account of gallon being a measurement unit for hats.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 74d
Wrong, because you wouldn't start a revolution. But hey, yo are no communists or anarchists right? Why fight when you can complain and pay 5 per gallon.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 74d
Sleepy Joe Biden did this!!!!
Even though he isn’t the president!!!
He still did it because he is wearing a skin suit of Trump!!!!
Wake up Sheeple!!!!
pyre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 74d
i mean, he did have access to the files, and he could have used it to have mango mussolini arrested but instead he handed the keys to the country and the nuclear codes to a man he himself called a fascist. so yes, Joe is indeed responsible for the situation the world is in. just because all republicans support pedophilia doesn't mean Dems don't help them.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 74d
Fuck Trump but Biden insisted on handing the US to fascists on a silver platter so I kind of hate him more even though he is less evil, at the very least I hope he knows deep down as he goes into the end of his life that he threw the futures of younger americans away with his grovelling, useless corporate centrism that could not see past the status quo. I hope that makes his last moments feel panicked and lonely.
Oh yeah and Biden is a Zionist, for which he can burn in hell for enabling the Palestinian Genocide.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 74d
Kamala Harris did pledge to start a war with Iran to defend Israel or prevent them from gaining nuclear weapons, and also called trump a pussy for not bombing Iran enough. So we were getting this one no matter what.
https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/10/11/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-during-a-call-with-jewish-voters-marking-high-holidays/
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 75d
You really didn't need to blur the actual gas prices in the picture.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 74d
americans doing the same thing they always do, bomb populations unprovoked now complaining about the repercussions on their gas prices.
Let's all feel sorry for them.