As someone who grew up on Nirvana I'm in no place to gatekeep fashion. My clothes back then were so fucking big that gusts of wind picked me up like a kite. I had an empty wallet CHAINED to my belt for fucks sake.
yet, wearing a band shirt implicates interest. imagine talking to sb using that as a lead and them being clueless. At least have a story why you'd wear a bands shirt you dont know (its my brothers etc.)
Wearing a sports jersey implicates interest as well but I won't expect someone wearing a Buffalo Bills jersey to name our third string depth corner.
I'd rather be excited someone actually has interest in something I do rather than gatekeep that interest. I'd love to talk about the player depth of the Buffalo Bills with someone who only knows who Josh Allen is. It makes me happy sharing something I love and it will make them a bigger fan than they were yesterday.
If your entire fandom is based on knowing everything about it, you're the piece of shit.
You started your fandom on something from nothing. There was a time you didn't know a single song of the band you love, or a player on the team you watch. You didn't know shit about it and now you do. Do the same for others and help them learn more, not be the school test on their knowledge.
Exactly. Gatekeeping exists for the purpose of bouncing predators and Nazis who front the idea of belonging and allyship from gaining access to the scene under false pretenses. I’d wager everyone of us has at some point worn a shirt, patch, or pin of some band we liked because of the design or the vibe but weren’t able to recite their entire catalog from memory. Hell, some of the bands fuck up trying to play their own deep cuts and B-sides years later.
This type of nonsense actually kills the thing you're trying to protect. What are you trying to prove? That some kid doesn't know the songs? Sure, you know you're right... but why milk it? Just say "come as you are" and share your passions with others.
I wouldn't have been able to name the songs as a kid, even if I knew them. For example, growing up listening to my parents' radio, I already loved the Beatles, Steely Dan, the Doobie Brothers, etc. - I could sing a lot of their songs, but didn't have the connection to the artists in my brain yet. I just knew, "Oh hey, it's that song I like." Only when I got older and started building my own music collection did I start to connect the musician names and song names to the songs.
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for kids in band T-shirts. Their parents bought them the shirt. Their parents probably play that musician's music around their kid. The kid can like the music, wear the shirt, but still be unable to "name three songs" by the artist just because that information hasn't come together for them yet.
I'm not going to gatekeep this but I will be sad when the conversation goes "cool {band} shirt! You ever listen to their live stuff?" and they go "what? It's a band?"
One other problem with naming Nirvana songs is that their titles are often not words from the chorus like most mainstream songs.
I think most people who know Nirvana could name Smells like teen spirit even though it's not in the lyrics. I suspect people could name Come as you are, since it's the first lyric of the song.
But after that, I guess it might be Heart shaped box?
With Nirvana, when you really want to hear that one song and you go look it up, you always think, okay, what's the song name? "Yeah!"? That can't be right. And then you have to go through some process to pry it out of your memory until you remember it's Lithium.
That was my thought too. Nirvana pops up on my playlists fairly regularly, but I doubt I could have listed 3 of their songs and I grew up with that shit. Reading your post was a few iterations of "Oh yeah, that's what that song is called!"
Should I just not save him when he ODs next, like the multiple other times I saved him previously?
Nah better shoot him in the face with a shotgun that he procured from a friend, after he suddenly absconds from rehab. A gun he got after all his other guns were seized by the police when I called them the last time he locked himself in a room with guns.
Genius play by Courtney. Kill the suicidal drug addict before they kill themselves.
I wouldn’t know, because I know her as well as I knew Kurt, that is, pretty much not at all. For whatever it’s worth I used to buy into her being responsible too and wouldn’t be convinced by some internet random otherwise.
That aside, as I mentioned, if Courtney wanted him dead, she had (and would continue to have had) ample opportunity to do so in a manner that wouldn’t implicate herself. She saved his life, multiple times, from OD’ing. Including directly injecting him with naloxone to resuscitate him. His guns were seized twice in the 10 months before his suicide, again because locked himself in his room with his guns and she rang the police saying he was suicidal. The guy was talking about killing himself for years before that day. None of his band mates were surprised by it, nor were the majority of people that knew him well. Police twice ruled it suicide, both at the time and ten-ish years ago.
Halfway through the European tour, I remember saying I’ll never go on tour again until I have this fixed because I wanted to kill myself. I wanted to fucking blow my head off. I was so tired of it.
He had a family history of suicide, was diagnosed with bipolar, ADHD and had an out of control drug addiction that spanned for years. All the signs point one way.
Well...alright then. I won't pretend like last time wasn't entirely unenjoyable. The blowing down is fine. I could do without the rusty razor. We don't need another nipple incident.
Completely unrelated and just because sea shanties is a theme that seldom comes up anywhere, I will post htis video of a performance of Roll the Old Chariot which I have always been very preferential to:
I can't even name the bands or titles of songs I regularly listen to. Some of us just listen to music to enjoy it, not to score fact points with music nerds.
Yeah, BUT... thrift stores, and also charities with donated clothes.
There was a homeless guy wandering around street where I live who was wearing Minecraft creeper cap, so I'd say there's non-zero chance of him getting Pikachu shirt at some point. 🗿
Concert print too much t shirt and can't sell it, thriff shop bought a lot of them for cheap and sell for cheap, thrifter saw nice print and bought it without knowing who the band is.
I grew up wearing T-shirts covered in stuff I had no idea about because we would regularly shop at Frenchie's which is a chain that sells used and B-stock clothing.
I would accidently pack a slipknot shirt of my (rather big-boned) classmate after sport. My mother washed the clothes and would wear it in the garden as it would fit nobody else. I had no idea and never told her but seing her gardening even years after my graduation in a slipknot shirt was hilarious.
There's some truth to the joke though - a while ago one of the fast fashion brands, I think it was H&M, created a line of fake bands just to put on t-shirts and other things. It's pretty sad.
I work a lot of college events, and I see a lot of vintage band shirts, with Dark Side of the Moon the most common. I always ask if they heard the album, and they say Yes only about 20% of the time, so I tell them that their homework assignment is to go home and listen to it tonight, and that it will change their life.
One girl was wearing a Metallica shirt, and she very enthusiastically said she LOVED them, because her Dad always plays them in the car. I could tell it was a genuine loving connection she had with her Dad over Metallica. Truly beautiful.
I appreciate the anti-gatekeeping sentiment here, but I can't reconcile that with the judgment I think we'd have for someone wearing a Che Guevara shirt without knowing who he was.
To be fair their gen x and millennial parents probably still buy most of their clothes. I buy my son band shirts and he’s college age. He’s got Dropkick Murphy’s, NOFX, RTM, Nirvana and Rancid. He’d recognize their songs but I don’t know if he knows the names of the songs
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Maiq@piefed.social · 85 pts · 73d
As someone who grew up on Nirvana I'm in no place to gatekeep fashion. My clothes back then were so fucking big that gusts of wind picked me up like a kite. I had an empty wallet CHAINED to my belt for fucks sake.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 73d
That's functional. The chain weighed you down so you didn't drift away.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 73d
You throw the wallet out like an anchor.
Damn990099@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 72d
I NEED a single panel news paper comic of this visual.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 72d
The wallet chain prevents you from getting robbed because it signals to everyone you have no money
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 72d
Okay but the wallet chains (thicker the better, sagging little over knee) were cool
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 71d
I just carried around the chain, waving it around for fun. In hindsight it may have been menacing neurodivergence. I got really good at chain tricks!
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 84 pts · 72d
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 72d
This. Fuck those gatekeepers.
Sly2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 72d
I love the LED Zeppelins, they're such a nice design brand.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 4 pts · 72d
I thought that was a light bulb brand.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
Or an illuminated aircraft brand.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 72d
I'm slightly annoyed, go on
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 71d
Adult man here, I'm just happy my favorite band is still in the zeitgeist whatsoever.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 73d
Fuck off with this gatekeeping bullshit.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 72d
yet, wearing a band shirt implicates interest. imagine talking to sb using that as a lead and them being clueless. At least have a story why you'd wear a bands shirt you dont know (its my brothers etc.)
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 72d
Nah, fuck off. No one needs to pass your dumbass purity test to wear a certain shirt.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 72d
Nah. Eat an ass. I’m wearing it because nirvana is my favorite clothing brand.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 72d
Wearing a sports jersey implicates interest as well but I won't expect someone wearing a Buffalo Bills jersey to name our third string depth corner.
I'd rather be excited someone actually has interest in something I do rather than gatekeep that interest. I'd love to talk about the player depth of the Buffalo Bills with someone who only knows who Josh Allen is. It makes me happy sharing something I love and it will make them a bigger fan than they were yesterday.
If your entire fandom is based on knowing everything about it, you're the piece of shit.
You started your fandom on something from nothing. There was a time you didn't know a single song of the band you love, or a player on the team you watch. You didn't know shit about it and now you do. Do the same for others and help them learn more, not be the school test on their knowledge.
Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 71d
Absolutely not. I don't even know what band I'm wearing the logo off, it just looked nice :)
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 72d
Exactly. Gatekeeping exists for the purpose of bouncing predators and Nazis who front the idea of belonging and allyship from gaining access to the scene under false pretenses. I’d wager everyone of us has at some point worn a shirt, patch, or pin of some band we liked because of the design or the vibe but weren’t able to recite their entire catalog from memory. Hell, some of the bands fuck up trying to play their own deep cuts and B-sides years later.
LetThereBeNick@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 72d
Don't be mad, this joke is so old and tired that a sunagogue considered it safe to tweet in 2021
swagmoney@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 71d
yeah gatekeepers are lame. however, hehe funny meme :)
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 41 pts · 72d
My daughter wore a Motörhead body when she was 6 months old, and couldn't name a single song of theirs. What a fucking poser
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 72d
You: “Say mama, say dada.”
Her: “Overkill.”
🤘
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 71d
"Lemmy Rules"
Windex007@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 73d
This type of nonsense actually kills the thing you're trying to protect. What are you trying to prove? That some kid doesn't know the songs? Sure, you know you're right... but why milk it? Just say "come as you are" and share your passions with others.
toofpic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
Yeah, this is such a dumb territorial pissings. Just dive into good music before you get an aneurism. Moist vagina!
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 72d
This dude is such a negative creep.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
I wouldn't have been able to name the songs as a kid, even if I knew them. For example, growing up listening to my parents' radio, I already loved the Beatles, Steely Dan, the Doobie Brothers, etc. - I could sing a lot of their songs, but didn't have the connection to the artists in my brain yet. I just knew, "Oh hey, it's that song I like." Only when I got older and started building my own music collection did I start to connect the musician names and song names to the songs.
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for kids in band T-shirts. Their parents bought them the shirt. Their parents probably play that musician's music around their kid. The kid can like the music, wear the shirt, but still be unable to "name three songs" by the artist just because that information hasn't come together for them yet.
jtrek@startrek.website · 29 pts · 73d
I'm not going to gatekeep this but I will be sad when the conversation goes "cool {band} shirt! You ever listen to their live stuff?" and they go "what? It's a band?"
BillyClark@piefed.social · 27 pts · 73d
One other problem with naming Nirvana songs is that their titles are often not words from the chorus like most mainstream songs.
I think most people who know Nirvana could name Smells like teen spirit even though it's not in the lyrics. I suspect people could name Come as you are, since it's the first lyric of the song.
But after that, I guess it might be Heart shaped box?
With Nirvana, when you really want to hear that one song and you go look it up, you always think, okay, what's the song name? "Yeah!"? That can't be right. And then you have to go through some process to pry it out of your memory until you remember it's Lithium.
Murse@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 73d
That was my thought too. Nirvana pops up on my playlists fairly regularly, but I doubt I could have listed 3 of their songs and I grew up with that shit. Reading your post was a few iterations of "Oh yeah, that's what that song is called!"
Gimme the hum test any day though!
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 72d
Yup. I could probably sing along to about 10 Nirvana songs, and even knowing the words to them I might know the names of two of them.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 73d
My favorite song of theirs is actually a cover: “Lake of Fire” by the Meat Puppets
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 73d
It's just so short!
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 71d
I recently learned that The Man Who Sold the World was actually a David Bowie song. Naturally, since it's in the lyrics.
socsa@piefed.social · 26 pts · 73d
Oh, you're a Nirvana fan? Name every person Courtney Love has killed with a Shotgun to the face.
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 72d
Genius play by Courtney. Kill the suicidal drug addict before they kill themselves.
socsa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 72d
Nobody ever accused Courtney Love of being well adjusted
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 72d
I wouldn’t know, because I know her as well as I knew Kurt, that is, pretty much not at all. For whatever it’s worth I used to buy into her being responsible too and wouldn’t be convinced by some internet random otherwise.
That aside, as I mentioned, if Courtney wanted him dead, she had (and would continue to have had) ample opportunity to do so in a manner that wouldn’t implicate herself. She saved his life, multiple times, from OD’ing. Including directly injecting him with naloxone to resuscitate him. His guns were seized twice in the 10 months before his suicide, again because locked himself in his room with his guns and she rang the police saying he was suicidal. The guy was talking about killing himself for years before that day. None of his band mates were surprised by it, nor were the majority of people that knew him well. Police twice ruled it suicide, both at the time and ten-ish years ago.
He had a family history of suicide, was diagnosed with bipolar, ADHD and had an out of control drug addiction that spanned for years. All the signs point one way.
socsa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 72d
I don't really think she did it I'm just doing the meme.
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 71d
Ohhh I thought so initially but your second comment went over my head, my bad haha.
Spooge@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 73d
someguy3@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 73d
Name three sea shanties!
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 73d
I could only get Drunken Sailor and Blow the Man Down, off the top of my head.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 73d
To the brig with you!
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 73d
Well...alright then. I won't pretend like last time wasn't entirely unenjoyable. The blowing down is fine. I could do without the rusty razor. We don't need another nipple incident.
Rothe@piefed.social · 3 pts · 72d
Completely unrelated and just because sea shanties is a theme that seldom comes up anywhere, I will post htis video of a performance of Roll the Old Chariot which I have always been very preferential to:
https://youtu.be/49FWp7WLYKw
jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 73d
I liked them back when they were New Navy
Maiq@piefed.social · 5 pts · 73d
Remember Maxell? They were like 98% of my collection.
Spooge@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
Doom@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 72d
I can't even name the bands or titles of songs I regularly listen to. Some of us just listen to music to enjoy it, not to score fact points with music nerds.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 19 pts · 73d
Why is it always band shirts tho?
Surely there is at least one person out there wearing a Pikachu shirt that doesn't know what Pokemon is.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 73d
Name 5 of those girls on your ahegao hoodie
Fuckin fake fans everywhere
Murse@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 73d
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 72d
*boys
Fake Asanagi fan smh
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 73d
Nah, everyone autistic enough to wear a Pokémon shirt in public knows who Pikachu is.
ivan@piefed.social · 10 pts · 73d
Yeah, BUT... thrift stores, and also charities with donated clothes.
There was a homeless guy wandering around street where I live who was wearing Minecraft creeper cap, so I'd say there's non-zero chance of him getting Pikachu shirt at some point. 🗿
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 73d
fair
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 72d
Concert print too much t shirt and can't sell it, thriff shop bought a lot of them for cheap and sell for cheap, thrifter saw nice print and bought it without knowing who the band is.
Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 72d
I grew up wearing T-shirts covered in stuff I had no idea about because we would regularly shop at Frenchie's which is a chain that sells used and B-stock clothing.
Mac@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 73d
Hollister would like to enter the chat.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 71d
from my friend who's a stand-up
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 71d
Men will wear floral patterns?
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 71d
Never heard of a Hawaiian shirt?
trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 71d
The ones with hibiscus all over them? I don't wear them.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 71d
But you have heard of them <Jack_sparrow.jif>
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 72d
Easy. Ghosts 1, 2, 3 and 4
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 13 pts · 72d
I would accidently pack a slipknot shirt of my (rather big-boned) classmate after sport. My mother washed the clothes and would wear it in the garden as it would fit nobody else. I had no idea and never told her but seing her gardening even years after my graduation in a slipknot shirt was hilarious.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 73d
So uh, is it just me who saw their logo as a butt plug at first glance?
Echinoderm@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 73d
No, but I did get a sudden urge to play Knights of the Old Republic.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 72d
And now I'm pissed again that the fan remaster was Cease & Desist'd.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 72d
Oh my god it's a jewish thing, ugh
topherclay@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 72d
You really went OMG because of this elementary school's twitter logo lol.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 72d
Jewish schools are evil - I know this from experience 😭
5765313496@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 72d
And he's mumblin'
And he's screamin'
Cause he can't name
What they're singing!
Let him wear shirts,
They don't wanna.
Even cool bands
Like Nirvana!
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 72d
"Nirvana is just a state I'd like to achieve someday"
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 71d
Oh I think you have some typos there.
Alternatively: I'm building my own state
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 72d
Then people'll be : no one listens to the good old music any more (after shaming every newcomer away).
kamen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 72d
There's some truth to the joke though - a while ago one of the fast fashion brands, I think it was H&M, created a line of fake bands just to put on t-shirts and other things. It's pretty sad.
sirico@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 72d
Teenage wasteland.mp3 Sun screen song.mp3 Wahoo.mp3
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 72d
Nirvana-full-discography.mp3.exe
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
Jimmy Buffet - If You Like Pina Coladas.mp3
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 72d
It's also ok to like a bands visual art even if you are not a fan of their musical art. Or I suppose the other way round too
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 71d
I work a lot of college events, and I see a lot of vintage band shirts, with Dark Side of the Moon the most common. I always ask if they heard the album, and they say Yes only about 20% of the time, so I tell them that their homework assignment is to go home and listen to it tonight, and that it will change their life.
One girl was wearing a Metallica shirt, and she very enthusiastically said she LOVED them, because her Dad always plays them in the car. I could tell it was a genuine loving connection she had with her Dad over Metallica. Truly beautiful.
adarza@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 73d
ok, but you cannot disallow a legit band name then.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 71d
I appreciate the anti-gatekeeping sentiment here, but I can't reconcile that with the judgment I think we'd have for someone wearing a Che Guevara shirt without knowing who he was.
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 72d
Surprisingly, I get poser-checked much more often for my Caduceus necklace than my Rolling Stones bag
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 72d
They think you're a fake doctor because you only sprang for the single snake?
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 72d
They ask me if I know what it means and if I'm a doctor. I really just wear it because it was a mcguffin in a cool gamebook i read
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
To be fair their gen x and millennial parents probably still buy most of their clothes. I buy my son band shirts and he’s college age. He’s got Dropkick Murphy’s, NOFX, RTM, Nirvana and Rancid. He’d recognize their songs but I don’t know if he knows the names of the songs
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
Perfectly reasonable.