Yes, there's a major activation energy barrier for the first time. For example, for me moving to Linux, Oracle VirtualBox was absolutely instrumental in helping me feel more comfortable. Reddit itself was also weird at first and off-putting until I simply tried magnifying the font size; back then, we only had what-is-now-Old Reddit, which was a pain to navigate at 100% size until I got used to it. Anyway, hopefully this Bluesky development will finally break X's might, even if it's not that much better of an alternative... and then gradually grow our own numbers here on Lemmy.
NGL, I rotate among at least 4 accounts across different instances here lol. It was originally out of accident because of my misunderstanding back then of how the Fediverse works, but now I just randomly use them as a simultaneous, illusory boost to Lemmy's activity as well as my own pseudo-privacy lol. I like to think that it helps overall...
This style of posting lends itself to having "hot takes" get upvoted and actual discussions have middling success.
At least with us, you can chose the tech and put it up yourself. Like right now you are using slrpnk.net and im using piefed.social on a lemmy.world server. Without any issues. We (the collective WE) made this happen without huge billionaires having a strangle hold on the way we interact. Its not perfect, but its better than a LOT of the alternatives.
I think to whatever degree innate tribalism of humans play roles in internet communities, federated servers is still the best way to reflect the good and hinder the bad. Migratory identity would take activity pub a long way in making federation better, but even without it activity pub shows bluesky to be a monolithic platform with a federated coat of paint.
You’re not wrong, but a difference is that most lemmings don’t really want to be here, i.e are in exile and pretty up front about that. I’m not saying it isn’t an echo chamber, but it’s a much messier one than Bluesky.
Maybe I should have worded it differently. I’d wager that Lemmy, as is, is very few Lemmy users’ ideal platform, mainly because it’s very small. For instance, while it is a filter bubble of sorts, the small user base makes it hard to filter content to your preference. It’s more or less a take it or leave it proposition.
May I’m projecting, but at least I’m here seeking refuge from algorithmic enshitification, not necessarily the mixture of Linux memes and random politics I’m getting.
Not saying I hate it – many things I’m very fond of – just that it’s not all that I want in a platform (as is).
I agree! My main complaint isn’t that I’m here, it’s that I wish more people were here. Maybe in a few years there will be better integration with other ActivityPub platforms. It’s already loads better than when I first came over in 2023.
I keep seeing the echo chamber thing but at this point most social media sites are. Bluesky is just a left leaning one, which is the only thing that really sets it apart.
I keep seeing the echo chamber thing but at this point most social media sites are. Bluesky is just a left leaning one, which is the only thing that really sets it apart.
I mean honestly I think left leaning is basically being neutral and accepting scientific consensus. To me the non federated part of bluesky is kind of what makes me consider it a time bomb. Even if it were good now, we already know one owner switch, hostile takeover, threats from the government etc... can flip a network around faster than you can blink. It's why I literally see federation as the only way forward for the internet, and find it so ridiculous that everyone bolted to bluesky to escape twitters crash instead of mastadon. It's the same key problem. it can go down in moments.
Maybe im missing something. Mastadon doesn't work at all like Twitter or bluesky. In haven't used it in a couple years though, blsky has a discover feed where you can sew accounts you aren't following. When i was using it, Mastodon only shows posts from people you follow.
I mean, going to be straight I've never used twitter or bluesky, and made a mastadon account like 5 minutes ago to test. Looks to me like the homepage is just things you follow, but there's trending page to view top posts, hashtags etc... Which to my knowledge is kind of what twitter was supposed to do (minus Elon pushing all his posts onto your home feed no matter how many times you try to stop it).
Yup, pretty much. Honestly I'm not even sure I would join a social media platform where I would have to read the thoughts of uneducated, unfiltered morons who probably should be sterile and cut off from the internet.
One time on Bluesky I made unfortunate contact with a psycho that genuinely believed bigotry could be a good thing “if applied correctly.” It’s basically liberal MAGA over there
I just had that happen. A liberal, declared that its ok to be racist against Middle Easterners (Except Israelis) because they all want to destroy Israel....
Like, my brother in christ, you just said genocide is ok, if it targets whomever you consider "undesirables"...
I mean, it could just get sold to a massive advertising tracking and data pushing company. Or at this rate the FCC will find some BS statute to accuse it for and find a way to give it to Musk or Elison.
I do like the idea of more competition to reddit here but we'll see how well it does. I know bluesky is considered like fauxfediverse but it's better than nothing as far as mainstream apps go.
The only reason it is currently better is that it is comparatively smaller than the mainstream apps. The more successful and mainstream it becomes the more it with enshittify.
Weirdly, fediverse might be more viable if it's a bunch of corporations fighting for control. They have money for ads, prob wont shut down due to an influx of too many users and lack of moderation. (or they will like digg, but that was more because they got a bunch of liberal tech nerds instead of the maga, aihype, wsb crowd they were pushing for)
Lol fuck bluesky, they intentionally suppressed epstein as a trending topic when it was picking up steam. Like, they disabled the tag and cleared whole feeds.
I get why there was a niche for Bluesky after X was purchased by a Nazi, but the Twitter UI/community/content was always trash to begin with. It wasn’t worth replacing. It’s the TikTok of text-based social media.
I have an account but I forgot the password and I used a throw away, so I can't get it back. The problem with blusky it didn't advertise itself very well, not many people even know it exists simular to Lemmy.
I would like to be able to navigate up a comment chain. Sometimes, people will reply to an old comment I've made and I can't figure out which one it was. Is this some quirk of twitter that got brought over to bsky?
I'm not sure about that implementation, but this certainly sounds clever. Especially if they can roll it out before Facebook manages to do the same thing.
Now whether this will be used for scraping AI data, or whether it will be a privacy disaster in the long run, remains to be seen.
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tirateimas@lemmy.pt · 142 pts · 77d
Lemmy People, Lemmy
mrmaplebar@fedia.io · 66 pts · 77d
This is a subtly good thing for the fediverse, assuming they are able to draw people away from Reddit. Divide and conquer.
dil@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 77d
Once ppl are comfortable using one alternative they'll feel comfortable using others
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 17 pts · 76d
Or they'll just stick with what they got.
stephen01king@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 76d
It's usually the first migration that people are most resistant to. The 2nd or 3rd time is a lot easier.
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 3 pts · 76d
Yes, there's a major activation energy barrier for the first time. For example, for me moving to Linux, Oracle VirtualBox was absolutely instrumental in helping me feel more comfortable. Reddit itself was also weird at first and off-putting until I simply tried magnifying the font size; back then, we only had what-is-now-Old Reddit, which was a pain to navigate at 100% size until I got used to it. Anyway, hopefully this Bluesky development will finally break X's might, even if it's not that much better of an alternative... and then gradually grow our own numbers here on Lemmy.
NGL, I rotate among at least 4 accounts across different instances here lol. It was originally out of accident because of my misunderstanding back then of how the Fediverse works, but now I just randomly use them as a simultaneous, illusory boost to Lemmy's activity as well as my own pseudo-privacy lol. I like to think that it helps overall...
Zagorath@quokk.au · 0 pts · 76d
Maybe, but I've seen a lot of people promoting BlueSky who don't or won't use Mastodon.
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 1 pts · 76d
That's okay; any competition with X is better than none!
joyjoy@piefed.social · 6 pts · 76d
Like they'd ever use ActivityPub instead of their own ATProtocol.
mrmaplebar@fedia.io · 14 pts · 76d
That's not what I mean. It's breaking up the centralization and Reddit's hegemony in general that's good for smaller platforms like ours
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 76d
Its not breaking up centralization. It's just trying to get the centralization in a new set of hands.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 74d
Drew me, more people will come
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 77d
Lemmy think it over and I'll get back to ya.
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 76d
PieFed and Mbin are also perfectly good.
big_slap@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 71d
I say let this place grow organically. nobody that doesn't want to be here is here, which is great imo
IllNess@infosec.pub · 63 pts · 77d
Running out of ideas and the flow of users are slowing down.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 77d
The place quickly turned into a silo of hand grenade throwing echo chambers. Some hilarious takes by people who have completely lost touch of reality.
If I said this in Bluesky they would just assume I was talking about Truth Social.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 48 pts · 77d
Sounds a bit like Lemmy lol
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 22 pts · 76d
This style of posting lends itself to having "hot takes" get upvoted and actual discussions have middling success.
At least with us, you can chose the tech and put it up yourself. Like right now you are using slrpnk.net and im using piefed.social on a lemmy.world server. Without any issues. We (the collective WE) made this happen without huge billionaires having a strangle hold on the way we interact. Its not perfect, but its better than a LOT of the alternatives.
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 76d
I think to whatever degree innate tribalism of humans play roles in internet communities, federated servers is still the best way to reflect the good and hinder the bad. Migratory identity would take activity pub a long way in making federation better, but even without it activity pub shows bluesky to be a monolithic platform with a federated coat of paint.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 76d
Ya, you are not wrong there. It's been a mixed bag at times but YPTB been good proof of this place goin downhill too.
Basically no social media is safe.
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 76d
You’re not wrong, but a difference is that most lemmings don’t really want to be here, i.e are in exile and pretty up front about that. I’m not saying it isn’t an echo chamber, but it’s a much messier one than Bluesky.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 76d
Really? I would not say that personally.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 2 pts · 76d
Same, i enjoy it here!
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 75d
Maybe I should have worded it differently. I’d wager that Lemmy, as is, is very few Lemmy users’ ideal platform, mainly because it’s very small. For instance, while it is a filter bubble of sorts, the small user base makes it hard to filter content to your preference. It’s more or less a take it or leave it proposition.
May I’m projecting, but at least I’m here seeking refuge from algorithmic enshitification, not necessarily the mixture of Linux memes and random politics I’m getting.
Not saying I hate it – many things I’m very fond of – just that it’s not all that I want in a platform (as is).
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 75d
I see. I agree there are definitely a lot of niches I would enjoy that are missing, but I do enjoy what is here for the most part.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 76d
I agree! My main complaint isn’t that I’m here, it’s that I wish more people were here. Maybe in a few years there will be better integration with other ActivityPub platforms. It’s already loads better than when I first came over in 2023.
Stern@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 76d
I keep seeing the echo chamber thing but at this point most social media sites are. Bluesky is just a left leaning one, which is the only thing that really sets it apart.
TheFogan@programming.dev · 9 pts · 76d
I mean honestly I think left leaning is basically being neutral and accepting scientific consensus. To me the non federated part of bluesky is kind of what makes me consider it a time bomb. Even if it were good now, we already know one owner switch, hostile takeover, threats from the government etc... can flip a network around faster than you can blink. It's why I literally see federation as the only way forward for the internet, and find it so ridiculous that everyone bolted to bluesky to escape twitters crash instead of mastadon. It's the same key problem. it can go down in moments.
Dearth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Maybe im missing something. Mastadon doesn't work at all like Twitter or bluesky. In haven't used it in a couple years though, blsky has a discover feed where you can sew accounts you aren't following. When i was using it, Mastodon only shows posts from people you follow.
TheFogan@programming.dev · 2 pts · 76d
I mean, going to be straight I've never used twitter or bluesky, and made a mastadon account like 5 minutes ago to test. Looks to me like the homepage is just things you follow, but there's trending page to view top posts, hashtags etc... Which to my knowledge is kind of what twitter was supposed to do (minus Elon pushing all his posts onto your home feed no matter how many times you try to stop it).
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Yup, pretty much. Honestly I'm not even sure I would join a social media platform where I would have to read the thoughts of uneducated, unfiltered morons who probably should be sterile and cut off from the internet.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 76d
I wouldn't say it's left leaning... Its definitely liberal leaning. Which almost makes it more insufferable than a conservative lean sight.
binux@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 76d
One time on Bluesky I made unfortunate contact with a psycho that genuinely believed bigotry could be a good thing “if applied correctly.” It’s basically liberal MAGA over there
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 76d
I just had that happen. A liberal, declared that its ok to be racist against Middle Easterners (Except Israelis) because they all want to destroy Israel....
Like, my brother in christ, you just said genocide is ok, if it targets whomever you consider "undesirables"...
_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 77d
yep, im there just to scream into the void without having to actually engage with maga
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 45 pts · 76d
If you think corporate owned social media will ever be anything but a constant downhill ride, I got a bridge to sell ya.
M33@piefed.world · 32 pts · 76d
Let’s cut the bullshit and start a $3.99 subscription already
We all know this is how it will end
TheFogan@programming.dev · 17 pts · 76d
I mean, it could just get sold to a massive advertising tracking and data pushing company. Or at this rate the FCC will find some BS statute to accuse it for and find a way to give it to Musk or Elison.
philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club · 29 pts · 76d
I'm ok with Lemmy, thanks
JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 77d
I do like the idea of more competition to reddit here but we'll see how well it does. I know bluesky is considered like fauxfediverse but it's better than nothing as far as mainstream apps go.
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 76d
The only reason it is currently better is that it is comparatively smaller than the mainstream apps. The more successful and mainstream it becomes the more it with enshittify.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
Well it also has the benefit of not being run by Elon Musk.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 76d
The person running it is just a younger version of Elon. Full on crypto queen.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 77d
Is it? I think nothing would be preferable. Let the masses go to the fediverse instead.
dil@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 76d
Weirdly, fediverse might be more viable if it's a bunch of corporations fighting for control. They have money for ads, prob wont shut down due to an influx of too many users and lack of moderation. (or they will like digg, but that was more because they got a bunch of liberal tech nerds instead of the maga, aihype, wsb crowd they were pushing for)
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 77d
Anyone who expects BlueSky to go down a different road than Twitter probably has stock.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 77d
Bring sold to a narcissistic Nazi for 44 billion?
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 12 pts · 75d
Lol fuck bluesky, they intentionally suppressed epstein as a trending topic when it was picking up steam. Like, they disabled the tag and cleared whole feeds.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 76d
Bluesky died pretty fast. They gave up. I have an account there but at this point is more out of spite
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 76d
I get why there was a niche for Bluesky after X was purchased by a Nazi, but the Twitter UI/community/content was always trash to begin with. It wasn’t worth replacing. It’s the TikTok of text-based social media.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 76d
He should had vine. Instead Harambe died and we got tiktok.
user_name@programming.dev · 9 pts · 76d
Really? I find it a lot more active than lemmy
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 76d
I should clarify. It’s not dead as in empty, it’s dead as in the feel for the whole thing changed to corporate BS.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 76d
It was VC funded and built by the same guy who built Twitter, what you expect?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 75d
I expected him to do this the easy way and win by being something users could flee to.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 76d
I have an account but I forgot the password and I used a throw away, so I can't get it back. The problem with blusky it didn't advertise itself very well, not many people even know it exists simular to Lemmy.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 76d
woof. Why can’t platforms just be themselves.
Also, Twitter tried this under Elon and recently changed their minds after, I assume, it didn’t work out like they had hoped?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 76d
I would like to be able to navigate up a comment chain. Sometimes, people will reply to an old comment I've made and I can't figure out which one it was. Is this some quirk of twitter that got brought over to bsky?
silentjohn@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 76d
I'd say it's by design. It's not meant to facilitate discussion. It's meant for short zingers to be shared.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 76d
Can't enshittify something that's shit from the start.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 77d
With the dumb characters limit?
morto@piefed.social · 17 pts · 76d
Character limit is a clever strategy to make users s
Hoimo@ani.social · 1 pts · 76d
Character limits are great to condense information and (1/?)
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 75d
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 76d
Laught in Lemmy.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 76d
Since Lemmy and bluesky are both open and federated networks, it should be possible to bridge these.
garretble@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d
I just want them to take a few minutes and make an iPad app because the default app running on iPad sucks shit.
XLE@piefed.social · 3 pts · 77d
I'm not sure about that implementation, but this certainly sounds clever. Especially if they can roll it out before Facebook manages to do the same thing.
Now whether this will be used for scraping AI data, or whether it will be a privacy disaster in the long run, remains to be seen.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 76d
Thats cool, maybe if it becomes popular I will use it alongside Lemmy.
skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 74d
The E-Shitifcation begins , when will they add stories and reels
Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 77d
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 76d
...where?
brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 76d
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain