I expressed my displeasure of these tickets at a bar I work at to one of my coworkers. They then pointed out that in Toast POS you can just punch in the total bill and it generates the tip for you
I'm good at math except after more than one drink. Ngl, I really like it when the bill has a list of percentages and totals to preview. I'd like it even more if we just charged what food and labor cost and got rid of this nonsense though.
Been doing this for years. I evangelize it all the time, and people still don't understand, or they try to make it more complicated than it is. But it's literally THIS easy, so easy. It's not even math at this point, especially if you only double the dollar amount and ignore the change, a kindergartener could do it.
Yet people refuse to learn a "new weird way".
You don't have to understand it, just do it. This is literally the easiest way. I will die on this hill.
they can't do basic arthimetic. yeah it seems super easy to you, but most folks don't know how to multiple by 2 without a calculator. and they refuse to learn.
i've met people who work in mathetmatics, like stats, and still can't do basic tipping without a phone to do it for them. it's just something they refuse to learn or practice, mostly out of fear they will get it wrong.
With all my power as an random Internet peon, I hereby allow every body to be them self, however they want : enjoy and be flamboyant !
I guess with that we can say bigot are a story of the past...(trying to do a joke, hope it went well)
(Keep calling people out <3)
Every system I've used and currently use you enter the tip amount, so writing how much you want to tip is actually fine. Though I'll usually ask for you to write in the total or ask if it's fine if I do. Technically the cc company cares about that line in case of disputes.
our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour, and they make all their income base on tips. people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income. it does create a bit of a feast of famine in the service industry, as if you can get a lucrative dinner shift at a higher end restaurant, you can make a good living, which is otherwise in accessible to people without degrees or specialized skills.
the average wage with tips is like 20/hour, which is significantly more than minimum wage, and in some places more than double.
hence why people who work in these jobs are against the removing of tipping, because they'd make less money.
what's hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them. because in their ignorant opinion they 'know better' than these folks.
Alternately: they could be paid a living wage with menu prices to support these higher wages. This allows for a more consistent (read: reliable) income. While I have not personally worked as a server, I know enough people who have. They have "good nights" and "bad nights."
Another affect of this is that it removes ambiguity regarding which places depend on tips and which don't. This line has been muddied by places haphazardly adding tip prompts to their checkouts.
There's a theme here, and that theme is consistency.
what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them
Consider that the comments on this are from the customer side. The increase in places asking for tips and inflation of "suggested" tip percentages hasn't been helping.
I think there might be a theoretical tipping culture that threads the needle of waiters getting a living wage while giving some leeway. Basically: 20% on the total is absurd and a dark pattern for advertising goods below cost; 0% is a hard barrier that can price certain populations out or fails on edge cases.
For example if I walk in with a table full of toddlers I should be socially obliged to tip you for going above and beyond the normal service. If I have a table of well behaved adults I shouldn't be forced to pay the same gratuity for group size. If I do, I'm subsidizing clumsy patrons breaking dishes and making messes.
In a similar vein, ordering something simple and eating quickly shouldn't incur the same payment as chatting for 2 hours while no tables are available. If I'm paying a set price for the implicit use of a table then you damn well better set a timer on the table so I know. All of these variables are impossible to price in and vary wildly with your clientele, which makes tipping an attractive option.
Maybe something like a restaurant enforced hard cap of 5%-10%. Nobody complains about a reasonable company culture of overtime+bonuses, service workers should have the same right to that compensation. Unfortunately, that realistically wouldn't work. Exploitation is baked into our economy, so 0% is our best option.
service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it's just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.
maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.
OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!
or... places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it's not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won't pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.
good news is you don't live here, so it's none of your concern really.
No, it's not. I was a cashier for years. I was not doing any service for anyone. I was taking money from the customer and literally nothing else. The service I provided was for the store, not for the customer.
a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table. You are on your feet, moving around, putting on a show for people. that's a lot more work than what I did. I never wanted to be a server because it I would hate to have to work so much, even if I made more money.
Hell, in Europe cashiers sit down on the job the entire shift.
people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income.
Honestly, as someone who worked in the service industry ... Nah not really. Also the only way you can "dodge taxes" is to not report your cash tips, everything else that's not cash automatically gets thrown into your income because it's all computerized now.
Most people would prefer a living wage and healthcare benefits (plus 401k, and dental and other "normal" benefits that most corpo folks get).
Like you can easily get absolutely fucked over money wise depending on what sections your waiting, if you have a big party that tries to split the bills up and avoid auto gratuity that way (common where I worked which sucked) and get screwed by the low tips on the split checks ... You might just have some folks that come in and just don't tip for whatever reason, weather is horrible so nobody comes in, etc etc.
It's not a great way to live. Not to mention many restaurants have a culture that's just generally exploitative so even putting all the above aside it's not the best work environment for a lot of folks.
Not saying that all the above is true for all establishments but that's my take and experience.
cool. my state propose a initiative to remove tips entirely two years ago, it was viciously voted down 2 to 1, and ever bartender or service person i know was violently against it because they knew their income would go down if it passed.
Well I guess you and I know different people in the industry.
Also a lot of them aren't exactly ... The brightest bulbs, people vote against their own self interests all the time. That's how we got Trump in the White House ... Ugh.
I'll never understand, how it can be, that I don't get a final receipt
Like, usually, I'm saying, I'm tipping (insert whatever), then in the US I'll hand over my card and need to trust them to put in the amount I intended to
I have no way of directly verifying
And everyone was angry at my just for asking and the poor barkeeper cried....as she didn't understand, that it wasn't about her...
Thankfully places in the US are slowly switching to those wireless POS terminals that are brought to the table. So many cards get skimmed when handed to servers and they leave your sight.
I have (intentionally) left a large tip when I'm hanging out somewhere for a long time with a low ticket value. The credit card company flags it and asks me via text to confirm that the tip is correct.
I don't know if it's strictly based on % or on deviations from your usual pattern.
you keep the receipt, that way if you are charged wrongly you just sent the receipt to your CC and chargeback the restaurant.
it has happened to me a few times, maybe once every 2-3 years, the server will decide I didn't tip enough and my 10 dollar tip becomes 100 dollars. often they can get away with this because a lot of folks never check their receipts.
you are supposed to tip based on service level. it's entirely subjective.
Because it's cheaper and usually not necessary to have additional electrolytes
Edit: and I'm stopping here
This is getting beyond stupid
You guys defend an inferior system, because you don't want to change, because it was always that way
At least, that I get from your answers
Right, and your presumption you inherently correct and an entire other culture you aren't a part of is stupid.... is not stupid and arrogant... at all.
In Europe, I usually get a receipt and can write the tip on top of that, than I'll pay everything and get the real receipt, including the tip
Why should I even need to check into a stupid app, I don't even want to have?
It's just so much easier to see the real paid amount at the end
Edit: and just saying, I've been doing that all my life, doesn't make it better
"That's how we've always done it" is the thing that stands against progress
If a system is better, than it's better - and we can compare
So, what I'm up to:
Maybe I'm missing something here, which makes this blind trust better in some way, but nobody told me how
Make each digit of the tip a number that adds up to 9 with the subtotal except for the last digit. First is 7, last digit needs to add up to a value of 10
Yeah but for those of us who actually studied math, it's silly. Rote arithmetic barely qualifies, you hardly even see actual numbers in math except for a handful of single digit integers for exponents, subscripts, coefficients, etc.
how many people in the general population have mathematics degrees?
1.3 of undergrad degrees are in mathematics, and only about 40% of USA adults have a bachelors or higher, so about .053% of Americans have math degrees, or we can say 99.47% do not. so out of 2000 people, only 1 of them has a math degree.
The number of people who drive sports cars is also quite small, but that wouldn't make it less silly for the general population to use the term "sports car" exclusively to refer to golf carts.
No, I understand it, but you're still the guy who's gatekeeping maths, and your analogy is bad. A better one would be calling mixing vinegar and baking soda chemistry, which despite how basic (and acidic) it is any chemist will. Basic maths is still maths.
Except that arithmetic still qualifies as maths even if it is only barely, whereas a golf cart doesn't qualify as a sports car. It's more like saying "vehicle" when you mean "kid's bicycle "; it's still technically true even though it isn't the most sophisticated.
117 Comments
Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 86d
I expressed my displeasure of these tickets at a bar I work at to one of my coworkers. They then pointed out that in Toast POS you can just punch in the total bill and it generates the tip for you
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 45 pts · 86d
TIL
BallShapedMan@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 86d
Oh that's good to know, I used to do math and then realized I'm probably being an asshole and stopped.
MATH RETURNS BABY!
Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 86d
Remember math? It’s back, in pog form!
BallShapedMan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 86d
Oh I remember pogs. My brother's we're huge into them. I was just a bit too old for that fad to hit me. I was a Garbage Pail kid!
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 85d
I'm good at math except after more than one drink. Ngl, I really like it when the bill has a list of percentages and totals to preview. I'd like it even more if we just charged what food and labor cost and got rid of this nonsense though.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 85d
Move the decimal one place left and double it for 20%. Do it for the sub total if you prefer not to tip on tax.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 85d
Been doing this for years. I evangelize it all the time, and people still don't understand, or they try to make it more complicated than it is. But it's literally THIS easy, so easy. It's not even math at this point, especially if you only double the dollar amount and ignore the change, a kindergartener could do it.
Yet people refuse to learn a "new weird way".
You don't have to understand it, just do it. This is literally the easiest way. I will die on this hill.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 85d
they can't do basic arthimetic. yeah it seems super easy to you, but most folks don't know how to multiple by 2 without a calculator. and they refuse to learn.
i've met people who work in mathetmatics, like stats, and still can't do basic tipping without a phone to do it for them. it's just something they refuse to learn or practice, mostly out of fear they will get it wrong.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -12 pts · 85d
I have a CS degree and a maþ minor. I will unashamedly use my phone calculator in situations like þis. Or if þere's any rush.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 85d
What character are you using for "the"
How do you find it on phone
I saw it Iceland
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 85d
Not ðe same person, but you can use an Icelandic keyboard for it. If your phone's default doesn't allow it, ðe FUTO keyboard app works
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 85d
Referred to as a thorn.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 85d
Thank you!
P00ptart@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 85d
Don't be that guy.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 85d
God forbid someone is different
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 85d
With all my power as an random Internet peon, I hereby allow every body to be them self, however they want : enjoy and be flamboyant ! I guess with that we can say bigot are a story of the past...(trying to do a joke, hope it went well) (Keep calling people out <3)
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 86d
FYI, most places will just use the total if there's anything wrong with your math (assuming it's at least what you owe) so this is perfectly valid.
Brokkr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 86d
The addition is the hard part though, calculating the tip amount is easy. Can you write in just the tip amount and let them figure it out at the POS?
Reziarfg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 85d
But the receipt in the OP didnt have any math? They just decided on a total and wrote it down.
PenguinMage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 85d
Every system I've used and currently use you enter the tip amount, so writing how much you want to tip is actually fine. Though I'll usually ask for you to write in the total or ask if it's fine if I do. Technically the cc company cares about that line in case of disputes.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 85d
Weird, the restaurant I worked at always went with the tip line if there was any discrepancy.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 85d
US tip culture is so weird. I’m talking about the comments as much as the pic
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 85d
what about it is weird?
our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour, and they make all their income base on tips. people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income. it does create a bit of a feast of famine in the service industry, as if you can get a lucrative dinner shift at a higher end restaurant, you can make a good living, which is otherwise in accessible to people without degrees or specialized skills.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 33 pts · 84d
That's the part that is weird. And I live in the U.S.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 84d
the average wage with tips is like 20/hour, which is significantly more than minimum wage, and in some places more than double.
hence why people who work in these jobs are against the removing of tipping, because they'd make less money.
what's hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them. because in their ignorant opinion they 'know better' than these folks.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 84d
Alternately: they could be paid a living wage with menu prices to support these higher wages. This allows for a more consistent (read: reliable) income. While I have not personally worked as a server, I know enough people who have. They have "good nights" and "bad nights."
Another affect of this is that it removes ambiguity regarding which places depend on tips and which don't. This line has been muddied by places haphazardly adding tip prompts to their checkouts.
There's a theme here, and that theme is consistency.
Consider that the comments on this are from the customer side. The increase in places asking for tips and inflation of "suggested" tip percentages hasn't been helping.
stickly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 84d
I think there might be a theoretical tipping culture that threads the needle of waiters getting a living wage while giving some leeway. Basically: 20% on the total is absurd and a dark pattern for advertising goods below cost; 0% is a hard barrier that can price certain populations out or fails on edge cases.
For example if I walk in with a table full of toddlers I should be socially obliged to tip you for going above and beyond the normal service. If I have a table of well behaved adults I shouldn't be forced to pay the same gratuity for group size. If I do, I'm subsidizing clumsy patrons breaking dishes and making messes.
In a similar vein, ordering something simple and eating quickly shouldn't incur the same payment as chatting for 2 hours while no tables are available. If I'm paying a set price for the implicit use of a table then you damn well better set a timer on the table so I know. All of these variables are impossible to price in and vary wildly with your clientele, which makes tipping an attractive option.
Maybe something like a restaurant enforced hard cap of 5%-10%. Nobody complains about a reasonable company culture of overtime+bonuses, service workers should have the same right to that compensation. Unfortunately, that realistically wouldn't work. Exploitation is baked into our economy, so 0% is our best option.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 84d
i consider that the comments are mostly from people outside the USA being whiny something exists here they don't like or understand.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 84d
I consider you'd have to be a moron to think those of us who have worked in US restaurants would not see a problem with tipping culture.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 84d
&
Why would people outside the U.S. who don't work in restaurants want to embrace tipping culture?
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 85d
Everything you just said is weird
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 85d
cool. to me it's about as normal as drinking water from the tap.
is that weird in your country? i understand many places tap water is not potable.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 85d
I'm my country drinking tap water is as normal as paying people a living wage. We don't usually tip, because people are payed enough already.
I'd say the only thing we seem to have in common is that people love tax evasion.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 85d
service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it's just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.
maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 85d
Wage is predetermined by contract. Getting tips is random money with no guarantees.
No idea why people defend this system. Depending on goodwill of random people is not the way to go.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 85d
OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!
or... places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it's not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won't pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.
good news is you don't live here, so it's none of your concern really.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 85d
This might be the stupidest take of the take. God damn
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 12 pts · 85d
I will be honest. I find that weird.
Do you underpay the shop clerks too, with the assumption that they will simply take part of the money handed to them by shopping clients?
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 85d
No. shop clerks aren't providing a personal service. they just stand there and ring you up.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 10 pts · 84d
That's a service. Otherwise shops wouldn't add self-checkout.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 84d
No, it's not. I was a cashier for years. I was not doing any service for anyone. I was taking money from the customer and literally nothing else. The service I provided was for the store, not for the customer.
a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table. You are on your feet, moving around, putting on a show for people. that's a lot more work than what I did. I never wanted to be a server because it I would hate to have to work so much, even if I made more money.
Hell, in Europe cashiers sit down on the job the entire shift.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 6 pts · 84d
gods, restaurants in the USA must be exclusive multiple-start endeavors. I thought movies were lying.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 84d
Honestly, as someone who worked in the service industry ... Nah not really. Also the only way you can "dodge taxes" is to not report your cash tips, everything else that's not cash automatically gets thrown into your income because it's all computerized now.
Most people would prefer a living wage and healthcare benefits (plus 401k, and dental and other "normal" benefits that most corpo folks get).
Like you can easily get absolutely fucked over money wise depending on what sections your waiting, if you have a big party that tries to split the bills up and avoid auto gratuity that way (common where I worked which sucked) and get screwed by the low tips on the split checks ... You might just have some folks that come in and just don't tip for whatever reason, weather is horrible so nobody comes in, etc etc.
It's not a great way to live. Not to mention many restaurants have a culture that's just generally exploitative so even putting all the above aside it's not the best work environment for a lot of folks.
Not saying that all the above is true for all establishments but that's my take and experience.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 84d
cool. my state propose a initiative to remove tips entirely two years ago, it was viciously voted down 2 to 1, and ever bartender or service person i know was violently against it because they knew their income would go down if it passed.
fwiw I voted for it.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 84d
Well I guess you and I know different people in the industry.
Also a lot of them aren't exactly ... The brightest bulbs, people vote against their own self interests all the time. That's how we got Trump in the White House ... Ugh.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 84d
Lol, that's fucking hilarious.
I asked a friend who was a server what they did if the math was incorrect. He said that they used the total amount.
kevincox@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 84d
It does say "I agree to pay the above total amount" so it is pretty clear.
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 85d
I'll never understand, how it can be, that I don't get a final receipt
Like, usually, I'm saying, I'm tipping (insert whatever), then in the US I'll hand over my card and need to trust them to put in the amount I intended to
I have no way of directly verifying
And everyone was angry at my just for asking and the poor barkeeper cried....as she didn't understand, that it wasn't about her...
Felt like an ass, just questioning the system
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 85d
Thankfully places in the US are slowly switching to those wireless POS terminals that are brought to the table. So many cards get skimmed when handed to servers and they leave your sight.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 84d
I have (intentionally) left a large tip when I'm hanging out somewhere for a long time with a low ticket value. The credit card company flags it and asks me via text to confirm that the tip is correct.
I don't know if it's strictly based on % or on deviations from your usual pattern.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
you keep the receipt, that way if you are charged wrongly you just sent the receipt to your CC and chargeback the restaurant.
it has happened to me a few times, maybe once every 2-3 years, the server will decide I didn't tip enough and my 10 dollar tip becomes 100 dollars. often they can get away with this because a lot of folks never check their receipts.
you are supposed to tip based on service level. it's entirely subjective.
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 85d
That's the thing, it's just so much more effort
Doing some bar hopping at night and paying with card, it becomes completely impossible to really keep track, if the waiter just upped the tip
Or maybe I just was to drunk and have written poorly
It's just a shit system, without a way to directly verify on the spot
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 85d
i don't regard it as difficult. i've been doing it systematically for 30+ years now, ever since I was a teenager.
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 85d
It's just more work than it should be and it can be much easier
I just don't understand, why USA-ians always defend this system
It's much more effort and error prone
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 85d
i don't know, why do you drink water when electrolyte drinks are superior for hydration?
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 85d
Because it's cheaper and usually not necessary to have additional electrolytes
Edit: and I'm stopping here
This is getting beyond stupid
You guys defend an inferior system, because you don't want to change, because it was always that way
At least, that I get from your answers
I can't argue with that...
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 84d
Right, and your presumption you inherently correct and an entire other culture you aren't a part of is stupid.... is not stupid and arrogant... at all.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 85d
0 tip for everyone. I order to go.
You haven't provided a service. Eating alone in restaurants freaks me out :v
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 85d
I'm sure you'd tip 0 if you ate in too.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 85d
You could look at your banking app after it's processed.
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 85d
In Europe, I usually get a receipt and can write the tip on top of that, than I'll pay everything and get the real receipt, including the tip
Why should I even need to check into a stupid app, I don't even want to have?
It's just so much easier to see the real paid amount at the end
Edit: and just saying, I've been doing that all my life, doesn't make it better
"That's how we've always done it" is the thing that stands against progress
If a system is better, than it's better - and we can compare
So, what I'm up to:
Maybe I'm missing something here, which makes this blind trust better in some way, but nobody told me how
iocase@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 85d
Make each digit of the tip a number that adds up to 9 with the subtotal except for the last digit. First is 7, last digit needs to add up to a value of 10
42.17
07.83
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 86d
$7.83
My method:
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 17 pts · 86d
Three cents to $42.20
Eighty cents to $43.00
Seven dollars to $50
Seven eighty-three!
lung@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 85d
Jesus brother, what the hell
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 85d
What's the problem with this method? I figure out tips through mental math, without any paper. This is just explaining how I do that mental math
lung@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 85d
Yeah you did it in the hardest way possible hahaha
Just subtract 17 from 100 to get the cents. 83. There, done. Or at least 100 - 10 - 7
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 85d
I can't do mental math that easily. I struggle with visualizing it, I think better in multiples of 5, and subtraction is more intuitive to me
nialv7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 86d
my method: calculator
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 86d
I used to do calculators for tips, but noticed my mental acuity slipping. I started calculating tips in my head to keep myself sharp
farmgineer@nord.pub · 3 pts · 85d
Mine:
I think, anyway. I can mostly just look at it and know.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 85d
This is how AIs do math
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 85d
This is how I do mental math. Figuring out (100-15)-2 is a lot easier than 100-17
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 85d
For me 100-20+3 is easier, but yeah
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 85d
My method. 0
Just order to go. Eating at home is comfier
tdawg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 85d
Idk why people don't just give whole number tips. It's so much easier to just add $5 to something
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 85d
Because it's easier to have a flat 50 out then 47.15.
tdawg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 85d
Didn't realize my grandfather was alive and we're still balancing checkbooks by hand
jagungal@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 85d
Ever heard of cash?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 85d
Then you wouldn’t need to fill out a receipt like this.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 85d
GOTEEM!
tdawg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
"keep the change" is an expression for a reason
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 85d
Sacré bleu You mean they stopped producing do 6buck coin ? /j
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 85d
Well, the Roman numeral M is 1000, so this is a pretty good tip. Not sure about the rest, but hey I'll take.
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 84d
I've done this my whole life. "Math" drawn cutesy if I have time. I can art, not math.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 86d
People always say math when they just mean arithmetic.
jagungal@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 85d
For the general public that's a distinction without a difference
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 84d
Isn't arithmetic just a subset of math? So they're using a more generic descriptor.
It's also better for brevity.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 85d
Sadly yes
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 85d
Yeah but for those of us who actually studied math, it's silly. Rote arithmetic barely qualifies, you hardly even see actual numbers in math except for a handful of single digit integers for exponents, subscripts, coefficients, etc.
It's like calling a golf cart a "sports car".
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
how many people in the general population have mathematics degrees?
1.3 of undergrad degrees are in mathematics, and only about 40% of USA adults have a bachelors or higher, so about .053% of Americans have math degrees, or we can say 99.47% do not. so out of 2000 people, only 1 of them has a math degree.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 85d
This guy arithmetics!
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 85d
The number of people who drive sports cars is also quite small, but that wouldn't make it less silly for the general population to use the term "sports car" exclusively to refer to golf carts.
Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 84d
Imagine being the guy who gatekeeps maths.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 84d
I'm not sure you understand my point.
Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 84d
No, I understand it, but you're still the guy who's gatekeeping maths, and your analogy is bad. A better one would be calling mixing vinegar and baking soda chemistry, which despite how basic (and acidic) it is any chemist will. Basic maths is still maths.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 84d
Then you certainly misunderstood my point, because that wasn't it.
jagungal@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 82d
Except that arithmetic still qualifies as maths even if it is only barely, whereas a golf cart doesn't qualify as a sports car. It's more like saying "vehicle" when you mean "kid's bicycle "; it's still technically true even though it isn't the most sophisticated.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 82d
It's a car you use for sports.
jagungal@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 82d
Ok, good point. So what are you trying to say? That the general public should use the more specific word for the benefit of mathematicians?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 82d
My only point is that it's silly to mathematicians that the majority of people use the word "math(s)" to refer exclusively to arithmetic.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 85d
I say maths
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 85d
I say arithmetics
Noam_Calhoun@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 85d
Found the Brit.
sundray@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 86d
Perhaps they expected the server to use geometry to come up with the answer...
save_the_humans@leminal.space · 1 pts · 84d
Here we use the metric, d(x, y) = |x - y|, to calculate the distance between points x, y in Q.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
Agreed. Most people don't realize arithmetic is actually a form of geography, and not math. True story.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 84d
As long as we aren't talking about maths, then I'm good
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 84d
probable_possum@leminal.space · 2 pts · 86d
I know that constant. It has something to do with imaginary numbers if I remember correctly. Right?
lung@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 85d
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 85d
Not that one, this ω.
Since ω > n for all natural numbers n, it’s clear that 50^ω is a very big number indeed!
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 0 pts · 85d
Phones have calculators.