I did think of that one after. It's still not a cat arching it's back, like the pictures above, though. Those cats are so close to being in the shape of the Arch logo that someone should make a cat Arch logo.
In many games it does, but I'm not sure this comparison is a good example of that, as it shows persistent CPU stutter on Linux. With those spikes, Windows would be the smoother experience even if the average frametimes are slightly better on Linux.
I mean literally yes, but, it could not exist in any meaningful way without Proton.
Thats why I say its really built around Proton, they started with Proton and then said 'how do we make an OS that will work with/around this' and landed on Arch.
The whole point of it is: Be a functional, efficient, fast, Linux OS that primarily plays video games.
with the caveat that that was opengl vs directx9 accross operating systems and not necessarily "easy". but it did make an important point that linux could run workloads like games in a very viable fashion.
I once posted on /r/MacGaming how pleased I was that I could run Horizon Zero Dawn on my M2 Air using Crossover, and how it seemed (to me) to run better than on my massive, old, water-cooled PC with an Nvidia GTX1060. I wasn't getting 120fps or anything, in fact, it was closer to 20fps at times. But I was running HZD on a fanless laptop, on an architecture on which it was never designed to run.
Foolishly, I was expecting a chorus of folks saying "yeah, cool, nice!", but what I actually got were a bunch of folks demanding proof.
So I closed Reddit, because it wasn't worth the arsehole.
Doesn't seem to happen going by the graphs included, but one thing I look in benchmarks is not how fast or not a program was, but how frequent spikes and hiccups in speed are. Having played games at 11 FPS but that were consistent at that and seemingly weren't lagging (variable max fps?), big numbers don't tell much imo.
Also, statistically, one single benchmark, and from an unamed game at that, doesn't tell much either. If I might suggest, maybe do like the microblogging folks and start a responses/quoting thread of more tests?
Some systems failed to install or failed to complete the setup after installing. While others did technically work but the experience was just bad. Most games I tried ran like shit conpared to win11.
I mean idk what to try anymore. I use Fedora on my laptop so I might try that again but I had issues where I could not get through the setup after installing.
It booted fine and after setting up username password all that I got stuck on timezone selection. I could move my mouse and click on stuff but nothing would happen. I tried skipping it or exiting the setup, even rebooting did nothing. I just could not get past the timezone selection.
HDD or SSD? How old are they, they got any problems?
If you keep hitting problems on connecting to timezone, it might be your wifi chip / card, could be that its an odd duck that still has driver quirks on linux, + is maybe physically damaged... could lead to a lot of nonsense if you are actually grabbing malformed core files from a not fully offline install.
Hardware's fine I think.
Using a 4th gen m.2 no real issues and most pf the stuff is about 6 years old. The only distro I had timezone issues with was Fedora
Ok so 'I think' is not the same as 'yes I tested it and I know'.
But anyway... yeah you'd have to give a more detailed description of... well, pick one particular attempt at an OS install, and specifically describe what did or did not work, with that one.
I'm not trying to be an ass, but its basically impossible to troubleshoot when the info you have is 'i tried a bunch of things and they all didn't work in different ways'.
Gotta be able to go through an actual diagnosis of a defined scenario.
I know. Well I never tested stuff because apart from shit nvidia drivers I never had issues on windows. What would you like me to test anyway? Memtest or give some suggestions.
The only real tangible issue was the one I mentioned on fedora with the timezone selection issue. All the other distros either did nowlt want to install or just had general performance issues either in the DE or just in games. Especially the 2 games I really only care about. Squad 44 and War thunder (the only ones I actually play) both ran like shit on all the distros I tried (bazzite, nobara, debian, cachyOS)
Well... ok, let me try to respond broadly, first, then more narrowly, second.
Nvidia drivers are also shit on Linux.
To install Nvidia drivers on Linux, you actually have to install an entire custom kernel, much of which is propietary, not open source, other people cannot see the actual code.
This means that you basically have to pick a particular Nvidia driver/kernel, and build a Linux OS around it... with the added difficulty of... if Nvidia updates its drivers, well now the OS has to check literally every possible thing they could have changed, while not being able to directly see those things that may or may not have changed.
This... is significantly harder to do to a 100% OS stability/functionality assured level... than with AMD, who open sources their entire Linux drivers.
(I am not sure what the status is here for Intel GPUs)
So, yeah, basically, a shitty broken Nvidia driver update, on Linux, in comparison to Windows, has the additional capacity to potentially break literally all of your OS.
There is an open source version of Nvidia drivers, the Nouveau drivers, that are much more broadly compatible with various Linux distros... but its basically unofficial, a bunch of people trying to reverse engineer the official, blackbox, propietary Nvidia drivers.
So... it usually significantly lags behind the propietary drivers in terms of up to date features and optimization and newer game support.
There's a good write up on this here, if you eant more details:
So, IMO, a more sane approach than just going bleeding edge with your Nvidia driver/kernel, is to use an OS that semi-regularly rebases itself around the latest stable Nvidia driver/kernel.
Of the OSs you listed, Bazzite is the most straight forward and also reliable, in that way.
Debian is exceedingly stable, but, requires you to learn learn how to use it properly... you have to find an Nvidia driver/kernel that is basically compatible with your version of Debian, then stick with that untill Debian does a full new version of itself, about once a year I think.
Nobara and Cachy are basically bleeding edge; more frequent updates to latest Nvidia versions, but also this means greater chance something breaks and doesn't get noticed or fixed for a bit.
Now to try to be more specific:
When you say you only ran into timezone issues on 'fedora', do you mean standard mainline fedora?
Or does that include Nobara and Bazzite? They are both based on Fedora, basically customized versions of Fedora.
You also say your main use case concern here is WarThunder and Squad 44, the latter I think meaning the WW2 submod of Squad? Or is it actuslly a fully distinct game at this point... I haven't kept up.
(Ah, apparently it is its own thing now!)
So anyway... both of those use kernel level anticheat.
Kernel level anticheat tends to not play super well with Linux. Because... well now we have another thing fucking with the kernel, in addition to Nvidia!
Another thing that is not open source, that is a black box, that works in ways other people don't know about, and can again change something rather important, which can potentially break a lot of other things.
It is hard to build an OS around kernel cores when the kernel itself is a mystery to those designing the OS.
While Squad proper implements EAC in a way that does work on Linux, Squad 44 doesn't appear to. So, Offworld would have to... do that.
WarThunder on the other hand implements BattleEye in a way that works on Linux, but my guess would be they have not prioritized optimizing it much.
I dunno, what uh... what kinds of frame rate and such differences were you getting on which OS and which gfx settings vs ... same gfx settings on Win10 or Win11?
I'm not exactly playing anything new but I've been playing Grounded (the first one) on Window for like 2 months. My computer was so hot it was warming up my entire room.
I switched to Linux due to other Microsoft issues and decided to give it another shot. Man, my computer doesn't really get warm at all. Like yeah I can see the temp monitor change a little bit but not much. There's no hot air pouring out of my PC. I'm not sweating sitting next to it.
I've made no changes to any game settings (other than using proton) or hardware changes. It's an insane difference.
I love Vulkan so much. Having everything precompiled ahead of time is probably a big contributing factor on why your machine is running cooler. It's just pulling from the shader cache instead of doing on the fly computation for shaders.
The long and short of it is that Vulkan and other modern graphics APIs are extremely explicit. As the game developer, you tell the GPU exactly what resources are being used, when they're available, and how work is synchronized. Once you've built those command buffers, the driver mostly just submits them to the hardware "fire and forget" style basically.
Older APIs like OpenGL and Direct3D 11 were much higher level. You described what you wanted to draw, and the graphics driver figured out resource transitions, synchronization, and a lot of the scheduling behind the scenes. That made them easier to use but also added CPU overhead and made performance less predictable.
Oh wow, wonder why that is! Microslop is only here to slowly but surely make your computer a slave to their system, Linux along with pretty much all FOSS are here to keep your computer yours (some exceptions sadly exist)
Makes sense, but I'm not expecting companies to support linux natively. I'm already happy enough if they put effort into a proper proton port and ensure any kind of anti cheat will run with it.
how does anything handle raytracing? I watched a friend with a 5090 show off his bullshit money rig and maybe it was a 4k monitor or something, I didn't check, but it wasn't performant enough to impress me at that price range. Its probably also lack of optimization and nobody ever leaving the default unreal engine visuals.
How much did you do to optimize on both systems beyond the in-game settings?
Most Linux benchmarks I see have a completely stripped down version of Linux and a bloated version of Windows with tons of running background services just to get similar performance.
And those stutters are a much bigger problem than the 6fps gain.
It's laughable because all Linux gamers have is amateur benchmarks that don't account for 1% lows, shader cache stutters, selective picking, and no frame-by-frame analysis. There's no mention of input lag, frame timing issues, or whether the game can even be completed on Linux (some are broke for frame timing issues).
Pushing this kind of nonsense is assholey to people that might be willing to risk damaging hardware to run Linux.
Everyone needs a hobby. Some people feed ducks, some people feed trolls.
Also, as much as it feeds the trolls' weird need for negative attention, it's also sometimes important to at least point out their bullshit for what it is, lest someone else who's less versed in the topic at hand take it for actual information.
madthumbs lost a hard drive to a bad Red Hat installation over 20 years ago, and that made them really, really, really, really, really…really, really salty about Linux and FOSS. They like to talk in royal we, but the community of LinuxSUCKS is literally just them deleting and banning everyone who even tangentially disagrees with their deranged memes.
They are not very put together, but they do know how to hold a grudge eternally.
You didn't contest a single entry in it. All you're doing is effectively down-voting which doesn't make you right or wrong.
If you had ANY integrity; you could address what's brought up in the posts as the information isn't exclusive there (it's simply compiled there).
If you'd like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it's upvoted!
Anyway, you're showing you lack integrity and discernment.
As well as highlighting the obvious bias on this site because it appeals to LiGNUxers.
"If you'd like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it's upvoted"
Gee golly maybe you should hang out there more. After all they are willing to upvote your bullshit. They must like it there. Go there and stay forever please.
I'm not making a comeback or trying to debate you at all. I'm honestly pointing out that the level of time and anger you appear to be spending on something you are free to just not use, is extremely unhealthy.
Oh, you don't have internet at your finger tips to confirm yourself in seconds? I feel sorry for you, but gonna block you since you're still working on your inferiority complex. (putting others down to make yourself feel better)
Even if linux in particular caused overheating, your system has safeguards for that outside the OS. So it has nothing to do with windows or linux. If your hardware gets damaged by overheating, the safeguards failed.
Hmm? I was just laughing at how ridiculous your claim is, read my other comment. Overheating can be caused by anything. Often the specific applications you're running instead of the OS. And your hardware has failsafes for this to prevent damage. You might also want to check if your cooling system is still doing its job.
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OR3X@lemmy.world · 140 pts · 43d
I will not ignore the cat pic, in fact I enjoyed it, tyvm.
kieron115@startrek.website · 52 pts · 43d
Same. This is now a cat thread.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 43d
spizzat2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 42d
Maybe it was wishful thinking, but, somehow, I just knew that was the Badger Herald.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 53 pts · 43d
Does the cat use Arch, BTW?
0ops@piefed.zip · 99 pts · 43d
Fun fact: cats use arch all the time, btw
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 42d
How is there not an Arch-derived distro that uses a cat in the shape of the Arch logo for their logo?
Auth@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 42d
Nyarch? Except its a catgirl
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 42d
I did think of that one after. It's still not a cat arching it's back, like the pictures above, though. Those cats are so close to being in the shape of the Arch logo that someone should make a cat Arch logo.
keyez@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 42d
I think it's an AUR package you can download and configure, probably the one that caused all the security issues for AUR the other week.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 38 pts · 43d
In many games it does, but I'm not sure this comparison is a good example of that, as it shows persistent CPU stutter on Linux. With those spikes, Windows would be the smoother experience even if the average frametimes are slightly better on Linux.
kieron115@startrek.website · 10 pts · 43d
Yeah I’m not sure what’s up with that, maybe OP needs to try a different scheduler?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 42d
As I... think has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you can run Gamescope + Proton + Wayland, and force the refresh rate.
You can do this with xrandr or sometimes some games actually expose it as a thing you can directly configure.
Presumably, you could set this to, for this example, 90, and probably help out the frame timing variance a bit.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 33 pts · 43d
Didn't valve test this sort of thing over a decade ago and found Linux to easily get better performance?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 43d
Yes.
Kind of.
Its... why they spent that decade making Proton, and now basically have an OS based off of it.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 38d
The OS is based off of Arch.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 38d
I mean literally yes, but, it could not exist in any meaningful way without Proton.
Thats why I say its really built around Proton, they started with Proton and then said 'how do we make an OS that will work with/around this' and landed on Arch.
The whole point of it is: Be a functional, efficient, fast, Linux OS that primarily plays video games.
Thats impossible without Proton.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 38d
Agreed! 🎯
Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org · 13 pts · 43d
http://web.archive.org/web/20200504112412/http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/
with the caveat that that was opengl vs directx9 accross operating systems and not necessarily "easy". but it did make an important point that linux could run workloads like games in a very viable fashion.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 42d
I will not ignore the cat.
edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf · 26 pts · 42d
Ignores the post, read the cat
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 42d
I will ignore everything but the cat. I demand more pics of the cat.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 42d
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 42d
:3
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 21 pts · 43d
Irrelevant cat picture to get people to read the post works every time.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 43d
I feel like people don't believe me when I tell them this is the case. Always glad to see evidence.
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev · 15 pts · 43d
Appreciate the cat image.
Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 43d
ITT: OP learns why reviewers take days to provide benchmarks for games. If you don't come with receipts, it's death by a thousand buts.
djdarren@piefed.social · 22 pts · 43d
I once posted on /r/MacGaming how pleased I was that I could run Horizon Zero Dawn on my M2 Air using Crossover, and how it seemed (to me) to run better than on my massive, old, water-cooled PC with an Nvidia GTX1060. I wasn't getting 120fps or anything, in fact, it was closer to 20fps at times. But I was running HZD on a fanless laptop, on an architecture on which it was never designed to run.
Foolishly, I was expecting a chorus of folks saying "yeah, cool, nice!", but what I actually got were a bunch of folks demanding proof.
So I closed Reddit, because it wasn't worth the arsehole.
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 42d
Impressive.
Very nice.
...
Now... lets see Paul Allens cat.
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 12 pts · 43d
Doesn't seem to happen going by the graphs included, but one thing I look in benchmarks is not how fast or not a program was, but how frequent spikes and hiccups in speed are. Having played games at 11 FPS but that were consistent at that and seemingly weren't lagging (variable max fps?), big numbers don't tell much imo.
Also, statistically, one single benchmark, and from an unamed game at that, doesn't tell much either. If I might suggest, maybe do like the microblogging folks and start a responses/quoting thread of more tests?
neclimdul@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 42d
Really needed that cat pick today. Also always cool to see Linux kicking butt
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 43d
I will not ignore
lamlox@piefed.social · 11 pts · 43d
I shan’t ignore the cat!
DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 43d
Nice cat.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 43d
Anon518@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 42d
Ignore the cat pic? Why did you add it?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 41d
"Ignore the cat pic"
How???
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 43d
Cool cool. Now if only linux worked on my PC. Tried like 6 distros and each had their own issues preventing me from playing games.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 43d
Kind of curious about the hardware, because this seems kind of unlikely.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 43d
Ryzen 7 5800x with 32GB ram and a rtx3070.
Some systems failed to install or failed to complete the setup after installing. While others did technically work but the experience was just bad. Most games I tried ran like shit conpared to win11.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 43d
I would be willing to help you.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 43d
I mean idk what to try anymore. I use Fedora on my laptop so I might try that again but I had issues where I could not get through the setup after installing.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 43d
What kind of weird issues? Did it finish the install and boot from the drive, or did you not get past the live environment?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 43d
It booted fine and after setting up username password all that I got stuck on timezone selection. I could move my mouse and click on stuff but nothing would happen. I tried skipping it or exiting the setup, even rebooting did nothing. I just could not get past the timezone selection.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 42d
Oh thats because you forgot the pentagram of lit candles around the computer. Friggin’ noob.
But really though the only thing I can think of is that you are running your own NTP server that you forgot about and it’s having a bad time?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 42d
That...is strange. What specific flavor of Fedora was that?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 42d
Hows your hardware?
Memtest your RAM?
HDD or SSD? How old are they, they got any problems?
If you keep hitting problems on connecting to timezone, it might be your wifi chip / card, could be that its an odd duck that still has driver quirks on linux, + is maybe physically damaged... could lead to a lot of nonsense if you are actually grabbing malformed core files from a not fully offline install.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 42d
Hardware's fine I think. Using a 4th gen m.2 no real issues and most pf the stuff is about 6 years old. The only distro I had timezone issues with was Fedora
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 42d
Ok so 'I think' is not the same as 'yes I tested it and I know'.
But anyway... yeah you'd have to give a more detailed description of... well, pick one particular attempt at an OS install, and specifically describe what did or did not work, with that one.
I'm not trying to be an ass, but its basically impossible to troubleshoot when the info you have is 'i tried a bunch of things and they all didn't work in different ways'.
Gotta be able to go through an actual diagnosis of a defined scenario.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 42d
I know. Well I never tested stuff because apart from shit nvidia drivers I never had issues on windows. What would you like me to test anyway? Memtest or give some suggestions.
The only real tangible issue was the one I mentioned on fedora with the timezone selection issue. All the other distros either did nowlt want to install or just had general performance issues either in the DE or just in games. Especially the 2 games I really only care about. Squad 44 and War thunder (the only ones I actually play) both ran like shit on all the distros I tried (bazzite, nobara, debian, cachyOS)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 42d
Well... ok, let me try to respond broadly, first, then more narrowly, second.
Nvidia drivers are also shit on Linux.
To install Nvidia drivers on Linux, you actually have to install an entire custom kernel, much of which is propietary, not open source, other people cannot see the actual code.
This means that you basically have to pick a particular Nvidia driver/kernel, and build a Linux OS around it... with the added difficulty of... if Nvidia updates its drivers, well now the OS has to check literally every possible thing they could have changed, while not being able to directly see those things that may or may not have changed.
This... is significantly harder to do to a 100% OS stability/functionality assured level... than with AMD, who open sources their entire Linux drivers.
(I am not sure what the status is here for Intel GPUs)
So, yeah, basically, a shitty broken Nvidia driver update, on Linux, in comparison to Windows, has the additional capacity to potentially break literally all of your OS.
There is an open source version of Nvidia drivers, the Nouveau drivers, that are much more broadly compatible with various Linux distros... but its basically unofficial, a bunch of people trying to reverse engineer the official, blackbox, propietary Nvidia drivers.
So... it usually significantly lags behind the propietary drivers in terms of up to date features and optimization and newer game support.
There's a good write up on this here, if you eant more details:
https://machaddr.substack.com/p/nouveau-vs-nvidia-the-battle-between
So, IMO, a more sane approach than just going bleeding edge with your Nvidia driver/kernel, is to use an OS that semi-regularly rebases itself around the latest stable Nvidia driver/kernel.
Of the OSs you listed, Bazzite is the most straight forward and also reliable, in that way.
Debian is exceedingly stable, but, requires you to learn learn how to use it properly... you have to find an Nvidia driver/kernel that is basically compatible with your version of Debian, then stick with that untill Debian does a full new version of itself, about once a year I think.
Nobara and Cachy are basically bleeding edge; more frequent updates to latest Nvidia versions, but also this means greater chance something breaks and doesn't get noticed or fixed for a bit.
Now to try to be more specific:
When you say you only ran into timezone issues on 'fedora', do you mean standard mainline fedora?
Or does that include Nobara and Bazzite? They are both based on Fedora, basically customized versions of Fedora.
You also say your main use case concern here is WarThunder and Squad 44, the latter I think meaning the WW2 submod of Squad? Or is it actuslly a fully distinct game at this point... I haven't kept up.
(Ah, apparently it is its own thing now!)
So anyway... both of those use kernel level anticheat.
Kernel level anticheat tends to not play super well with Linux. Because... well now we have another thing fucking with the kernel, in addition to Nvidia!
Another thing that is not open source, that is a black box, that works in ways other people don't know about, and can again change something rather important, which can potentially break a lot of other things.
It is hard to build an OS around kernel cores when the kernel itself is a mystery to those designing the OS.
While Squad proper implements EAC in a way that does work on Linux, Squad 44 doesn't appear to. So, Offworld would have to... do that.
WarThunder on the other hand implements BattleEye in a way that works on Linux, but my guess would be they have not prioritized optimizing it much.
I dunno, what uh... what kinds of frame rate and such differences were you getting on which OS and which gfx settings vs ... same gfx settings on Win10 or Win11?
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 1 pts · 42d
It's unlikely to be a hardware issue if Windows works fine for them.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 43d
Does that include the gaming-centric distros like CachyOS or Bazzite?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 43d
Both of those plus Nobara
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 42d
Sometimes, you can get similar benefits on Windows running DXVK.
Some older DX9/OpenGL games like it in particular.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 41d
I'm not exactly playing anything new but I've been playing Grounded (the first one) on Window for like 2 months. My computer was so hot it was warming up my entire room.
I switched to Linux due to other Microsoft issues and decided to give it another shot. Man, my computer doesn't really get warm at all. Like yeah I can see the temp monitor change a little bit but not much. There's no hot air pouring out of my PC. I'm not sweating sitting next to it.
I've made no changes to any game settings (other than using proton) or hardware changes. It's an insane difference.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 41d
I love Vulkan so much. Having everything precompiled ahead of time is probably a big contributing factor on why your machine is running cooler. It's just pulling from the shader cache instead of doing on the fly computation for shaders.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 41d
That makes sense. I'm still new to all this so I'm kinda learning as I go.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 41d
The long and short of it is that Vulkan and other modern graphics APIs are extremely explicit. As the game developer, you tell the GPU exactly what resources are being used, when they're available, and how work is synchronized. Once you've built those command buffers, the driver mostly just submits them to the hardware "fire and forget" style basically.
Older APIs like OpenGL and Direct3D 11 were much higher level. You described what you wanted to draw, and the graphics driver figured out resource transitions, synchronization, and a lot of the scheduling behind the scenes. That made them easier to use but also added CPU overhead and made performance less predictable.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 40d
Thank you for taking the time to explain that. That's really cool too learn.
damwab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 42d
Oh wow, wonder why that is! Microslop is only here to slowly but surely make your computer a slave to their system, Linux along with pretty much all FOSS are here to keep your computer yours (some exceptions sadly exist)
Hello_there@fedia.io · 2 pts · 41d
Now if only I don't have to compile vulkan shaders every time I try to start deadlock
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 43d
Makes sense, but I'm not expecting companies to support linux natively. I'm already happy enough if they put effort into a proper proton port and ensure any kind of anti cheat will run with it.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 43d
How does it handle ray tracing?
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 42d
how does anything handle raytracing? I watched a friend with a 5090 show off his bullshit money rig and maybe it was a 4k monitor or something, I didn't check, but it wasn't performant enough to impress me at that price range. Its probably also lack of optimization and nobody ever leaving the default unreal engine visuals.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 41d
Just living in an alternate reality here.
My 4090 handles cyberpunk 4k with path tracing at 120+ FPS.
Linux is objectively inferior when it comes to high fidelity gaming and it very clearly triggers some linux nerds.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · -4 pts · 42d
How much did you do to optimize on both systems beyond the in-game settings?
Most Linux benchmarks I see have a completely stripped down version of Linux and a bloated version of Windows with tons of running background services just to get similar performance.
And those stutters are a much bigger problem than the 6fps gain.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 42d
So Windows
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -44 pts · 43d
It's laughable because all Linux gamers have is amateur benchmarks that don't account for 1% lows, shader cache stutters, selective picking, and no frame-by-frame analysis. There's no mention of input lag, frame timing issues, or whether the game can even be completed on Linux (some are broke for frame timing issues).
Pushing this kind of nonsense is assholey to people that might be willing to risk damaging hardware to run Linux.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 43d
What hardware damage are you even talking about? That's not actually a thing.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 43d
I mean they’re not entirely wrong. 1% lows are very much an issue and you can see the spikes in OPs screenshot.
But uh… let’s just say they’re a pretty notorious user.
rtxn@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 43d
Everybody in this thread got baited.
Do Not Feed The Trolls!
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 43d
Everyone needs a hobby. Some people feed ducks, some people feed trolls.
Also, as much as it feeds the trolls' weird need for negative attention, it's also sometimes important to at least point out their bullshit for what it is, lest someone else who's less versed in the topic at hand take it for actual information.
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 42d
This was my reaction at first, but after reading the entire thread, the crashout is actually somewhat entertaining
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -35 pts · 43d
You openly and brazenly lie. -Interesting! Is that very quick upvote also vote manipulation?
Linux / FOSS can damage hardware and firmware
A recent example of hardware being damaged by Linux
fonix232@fedia.io · 29 pts · 43d
Posting your own threads that have been downvoted (rightfully) to hell isn't the win you thought it was...
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 43d
The first thread also only has deleted comments. Suspicious
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 43d
Read the rules and understand we're not about wasting time arguing there with idiots. If they actually made a point; it would get addressed.
But what's your excuse here? -Please tell!
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 43d
I am just saying that the fact all comments were deleted is supicious.
dustyData@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 42d
madthumbs lost a hard drive to a bad Red Hat installation over 20 years ago, and that made them really, really, really, really, really…really, really salty about Linux and FOSS. They like to talk in royal we, but the community of LinuxSUCKS is literally just them deleting and banning everyone who even tangentially disagrees with their deranged memes.
They are not very put together, but they do know how to hold a grudge eternally.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 43d
But not having any real rebuttals here isn't. Hypocrisy. Imagine sparing non-Linux fans from all the dishonest Linux propaganda.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -25 pts · 43d
You didn't contest a single entry in it. All you're doing is effectively down-voting which doesn't make you right or wrong. If you had ANY integrity; you could address what's brought up in the posts as the information isn't exclusive there (it's simply compiled there).
If you'd like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it's upvoted!
Anyway, you're showing you lack integrity and discernment. As well as highlighting the obvious bias on this site because it appeals to LiGNUxers.
TheKaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 43d
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 43d
larper
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 42d
"If you'd like, I can link to a Reddit sub where it's upvoted"
Gee golly maybe you should hang out there more. After all they are willing to upvote your bullshit. They must like it there. Go there and stay forever please.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 43d
Dude, you appear to have an unhealthy obsession. You may want to consider talking to a professional about it.
Linking your own list of hypotheticals is not any kind of proof of anything.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 43d
That isn't really a comeback, but a good example of why advocates aren't allowed there.
-Thanks for providing a perfect example.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 43d
I'm not making a comeback or trying to debate you at all. I'm honestly pointing out that the level of time and anger you appear to be spending on something you are free to just not use, is extremely unhealthy.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 43d
FFS shit or get off the pot.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 43d
You aren't getting, are you? I'm not even in the bathroom.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 43d
You're literally quoting yourself, you clown
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 43d
It's a compilation knuckle dragging mouth breather.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 42d
Compilations with no actual sources given. They're literally just you prattling on, you fucking loon.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 42d
Oh, you don't have internet at your finger tips to confirm yourself in seconds? I feel sorry for you, but gonna block you since you're still working on your inferiority complex. (putting others down to make yourself feel better)
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 42d
Bold coming from the guy who's ego is so fragile that he spends all his time harassing people over Linux. You're a pathetic, hypocritical waste of cum
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 9 pts · 43d
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3850209/how-to-reinstall-nvidia-drivers-that-dont-detect-g
This happens on windows too.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 43d
Not the same thing.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 1 pts · 42d
Howso?
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 43d
Even if linux in particular caused overheating, your system has safeguards for that outside the OS. So it has nothing to do with windows or linux. If your hardware gets damaged by overheating, the safeguards failed.
plant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 41d
Look at me cite myself from threads in the community I moderate where I've banned anyone providing pushback
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 41d
You mean look at yourself not proving me wrong on a single thing.
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 43d
Damaging hardware, lmao
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 43d
ffs do you LiGNUxers actually research anything other than what distro will solve your current problem?
You're just displaying your inferiority complex here.
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 43d
Hmm? I was just laughing at how ridiculous your claim is, read my other comment. Overheating can be caused by anything. Often the specific applications you're running instead of the OS. And your hardware has failsafes for this to prevent damage. You might also want to check if your cooling system is still doing its job.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 42d
What am I supposed to be feeling inferior about? Please be specific.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 42d
They literally have the frame time graph in the screenshot? And yea the timing looks dramatically worse on Linux in this case lol.
“Damaging hardware” are you from the past or something?
Edit: also extra hilarious that I already had you tagged as “corporate simp” from previous corporate simping you have done.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 42d
There are recent cases. Do you not use search? Are LiGNUxers allergic to that as well as AI?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 42d
Gork, is this true?
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 42d
Spotted the Microsoft sales person! Do I win something?
madthumbs@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 42d
Recognition from the other 20% vocal minority of conspiracy theorists.