A new state law limits Florida communities’ aims to offset greenhouse gas emissions that are warming the global climate and intensifying disasters such as hurricanes.
Specifically, HB 1217 prohibits local governments from pursuing net-zero emissions goals. At least 10 cities and counties have implemented such policies, including Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Orlando, and Leon County, where Tallahassee, the state capital, is located. But the new law will not necessarily upend these policies, said Bradley Marshall, senior attorney at Earthjustice, an advocacy group.
“It’s certainly meant to scare municipalities and local governments from trying to do things to further net-zero policies,” he said. “Now, its exact impact and what it exactly prohibits is probably up for some debate. Things that are adjacent to it—emissions reductions and even climate change reduction policies—on their face will not run afoul at all of a ban on adopting a net zero policy.”
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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 202 pts · 35d
party of small government
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 84 pts · 35d
Small 'brained' government
bigbangdangler@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 35d
No no, see it can be big as long as it works for the corporations, or, uh, we mean the people. It can be big as long as it works for the people. Wait no, that's not right either.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 35d
when they ask for small government, they do not mean lowering the scope of the government functions, but having less people who have more concentrated powers, and removing checks and balances.
Master167@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 35d
Nothing says small government like the bigger government telling the smaller government no.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 33d
Small as in micro managing
dan1101@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
Small oppressive sensitive grifting fascist wasteful and willfully ignorant government.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
It was meant for economic stuff. Same with how they pursued "economic individualism" rather than "self expression", even if some young conservatives think otherwise.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
What's crazy is that I read “economic individualism” and immediately think of solar power, composting toilets, salvaged building materials, minimal new construction - basically all the eco-hippie-shit they rail against.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
That's what they demand from leftists unironically, they might even link you some YouTube channel about that.
Economic individualism is more like you don't rely on the state.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
ie, less safety regulation, less consumer protection, less services
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 34d
"You WILL emit toxic fumes and you WILL like it!"
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 34d
“We don’t recall caring if you liked it”
ceenote@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 35d
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 19 pts · 35d
I have no idea why their property is worth anything. Well I do, ignorant boomers. That market will someday crash though, as the sea retakes everything and the majority of younger folks have no interest in moving there.
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 35d
Disneyland will become the new Atlantis
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 35d
Disneylantis?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 34d
Coincidence? I think not!
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 34d
Dislantis our land
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 35d
Disneyland is in California.
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 35d
Tells you how much I give a shit about that multibillion dollar company.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 35d
Congrats?
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 35d
Just implying that I don't care enough about Disney to learn which of their theme parks are officially named what. Imo it's confusing. Just call both Disneyland/world City it's located, like how Lego does it.
Edit: and no one should care enough about Disney to know which park is which. Because it ultimately doesn't matter.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 35d
We’re all very proud of you.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 35d
Pfft okay great excuse
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 34d
Should I care about a mostly faceless multibillion dollar company?
No. And neither should you, and anyone who does is weird. Like r/boxoffice weird.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 35d
Disneyworld being in the middle of the state will then just be a little closer to the beach spiking property values in Orlando
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 33d
"Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?"
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 34d
This way only people who can buy in cash can purchase florida properties, since they'll be uninsurable.
No more of those mortgage-needing peasants!
xkbx@startrek.website · 69 pts · 35d
“We’re gonna need you to burn at least 500lbs of tires for every tree planted.”
jtrek@startrek.website · 57 pts · 35d
Everyone who supported this bill is a climate criminal and should have a punishment proportional to poisoning every living person on the planet.
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 35d
Let's go 'net-negative' policies
cadekat@pawb.social · 44 pts · 35d
I didn't think they'd be that dumb and leave a loophole for net-negative policies, but holy shit:
It literally is net-zero. Removing more CO2 than you emit is absolutely allowed.
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 35d
Or, let's match 99% of emissions lolllll
huppakee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 35d
99,99% lets go
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 3 pts · 35d
Hahahahahahahaahahah. Ha.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 34d
I love the small government party
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 34d
Small enough to get anywhere it needs to be. No larger than a bullet.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 34d
Republicans really coming in clutch with that whole "small government and freedom" schtick, aint they.
PenguinMage@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 33d
I've been told that only applies to the overall federal, and that states rights are important (somehow city & counties don't have those)... oddly enough these are the same places that claim that slavery wasn't the reason for the civil war.
kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 33d
Which state rights was the civil war fought over‽ That question usually undermines the racist state rights arguments from the new Nazi party
PenguinMage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
They make up a lot of fun things that aren't factual. I'm also super salty about how small government makes sure my local government can't do anything we want them to do through voting... but if these people acted on actual principles they'd have no one in office right now.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 35d
Jesus this is bad policy. Let people find energy wherever they want.
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 35d
Doesn't align well with fascist policy.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 35d
Their state is going to be under water in ten years...
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 35d
Florida - The Maritime State
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
They don't care, because Jesus is coming back.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 34d
This is unironically what my parents believe.
The ultimate sunk cost, I guess. Too late to change your beliefs now, you've already damned your grandchildren to a burning planet. Well done.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 33d
One hundred generations of Christians have believed that Jesus would return in their lifetimes.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
No, that's an interpretation that kicked off in the mid nineteenth century. It's pretty new tbh.
noahm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 34d
I always remind myself of this when they do something so colossally stupid. It's small comfort, of course, but it's something.
maturelemontree@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 34d
I get more worried every day shit like this comes out that the conspiracy theory that the rich want to accelerate the end of the world faster is true.
Tobberone@feddit.nu · 11 pts · 34d
Oil dependence is use as a of controlling the world. Renewables changes that control. Therefore Renewables must be stopped.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 34d
In the same way slave owners fought against freeing slaves as that would mean losing a whole lot of power. Oil embargoes are much less effective against a country that has 100% renewables.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 34d
USD is literally pinned to crude oils market spot price
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Spain has heavily adopted renewables, and it sailed through the recent oil-price shock with only minor economic ripples.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
Not the world, just the bulk of humanity. We're cluttering the place up and ruining their nice views and beaches and such. As long as there are enough left to serve their needs she produce attractive children for them, the rest of us are quickly becoming unnecessary problems.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 34d
It is. It might not even be part of a strategy, if you look how they compuksively jack off the torment nexus.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 34d
The idea I think is to destabilize India/China and then figure it out.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 34d
I've never heard this theory please share it.
maturelemontree@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 34d
From what I've seen it is basically that. The elite are building bunkers to live and plan on destroying the planet somehow, that way they can everything when they emerge from their bunkers. That or they are part of some armageddon cult where they can feel the power of destroying nations or something.
If I had the details I'd link them, its just things I've seen in passing.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
Basically the plot line to the fallout series LOL.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 33d
While simultaneously crying about declining fertility rates. They can't make up their fucking minds.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 34d
New target: Net Negative
Florida the carbon sink
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 34d
They will successfully target negative meters above sea level
Triasha@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 35d
They will be net zero when they are smooth expanse of shallow water
Soon enough.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 35d
Or when enough MAGAts drop dead fom the heat.
mereo@piefed.ca · 19 pts · 35d
So... A "small" government is acting like a big brother...
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 35d
Not even sure if this is legally enforceable past being a guideline.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 35d
Well, a Republican is doing it, so I’m sure our wise and beneficent Supreme Court will have no problem finding it enforceable
foggy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
Just gonna go ahead and start a landscaping/trash burning company
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 35d
We didn't know it was a documentary about Republicans back then.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 16 pts · 34d
They really are trying to steamroll over society aren’t they. Fuck these idiot cunts
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 34d
Sucks they're immortal super-gods.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 33d
So it has no business being a law.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 14 pts · 35d
next week from florida: “florida bans humans from having a nice day”
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 34d
Love me that freedom
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 10 pts · 34d
Freedom.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 35d
Since it was Russia's propaganda machine, maybe climate change will hit them first.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 35d
MAGA hates Meatball
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 34d
Haha Florida is full of idiots
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 33d
floridamuricaMushuChupacabra@piefed.world · 9 pts · 35d
He also looks cartoonishly evil.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 35d
Are they weaponizing climate or trying to make most of the planet inhabitable to maximize profits?
Oh they're cashing checks.
uberdroog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 35d
Its immediate gratification and profit extraction for the anyone currently able. No planting trees for the next generation that's not tied to some grift.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 34d
Freedom's just another word for "admit that Christ is in charge and I am his king here on earth" to these Republican-Nazi bastards.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
They aren't Christian.
The only time Christ really threatens damnation (Matthew 25), it's over the mistreatment of the poor, sick, imprisoned, and foregners.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 33d
For their king, they sure do excel at ignoring his wishes.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 34d
Fighting to not drown is illegal
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 33d
More of that "Just lie back and let it happen" mentality. Like they actually get indignant when people try to protect themselves from harm.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 8 pts · 33d
Net one goal
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
net-negative goal, still not net-zero so all good!
ours@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
Fractions are non-zero: Net 10^-18^
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 35d
I'd like DeSantis to study this whole situation more. Perhaps putting him in the path of a hurricane would give him a more informed perspective.
Steve@startrek.website · 4 pts · 35d
In the path of something, maybe smaller and faster than a hurricane.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
300 methed-up, pissed-off cassowaries?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Like a an ant at the focal point of a very large magnifying glass. He'll only catch fire if he believes in physics, right?
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 35d
Even right-wingers in the UK aren't this blasé about it. Murica is a very weird place where folk don't seem to get punished electorally for being an asshole.
Jack@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 34d
“Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and American universities - and they are elected by American citizens.
This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, […] you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.” – George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBrbXOmnW70
See how few vote for ethical people like Nader, the Greens, ...
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 35d
Reform has scrapping net zero as one of its main campaign points at local and national level.
Not that it’s limited to the right wing. The prime mover in the Government considering scrapping its ban on new North Sea drilling is from the unions pressuring them to do so.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Electorate? Voting? What's that??
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
My country has way too many morons and evil fucks.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 34d
It's truly exhausting
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 35d
If we, the real human beings pursue net-zero corruption we'll improve our lives and start healing the planet at the same time.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
just in time for when people actually started to feel the heat of climate change
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
Orange juice Mussolini once again.
beep@piefed.world · 4 pts · 34d
Steve@startrek.website · 4 pts · 35d
Childish fucktards
fira@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 35d
I look forward to scuba diving in the neo-Atlantis amusement park that was the former state of Florida.
kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 33d
Small government what?
BehindetheClouds@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 35d
I'm guessing DeSantis it's not a fan of king crab.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 33d
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Cytobit@piefed.social · -1 pts · 35d
So they can still target .00001 emissions, or net negative emissions. I suppose it's fitting to get a nothing burger on nottheonion.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 35d
Not really.
"The bill also prohibits governmental entities from implementing, administering, or enforcing any program or joining any organization that has a policy of establishing limits on greenhouse gas emissions or requiring or incentivizing participation in an emissions trading program."
There's definitely language in the bill to cut off that loophole
huppakee@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 35d
Guess they'll have to go big on co2 capture then, not to limit emissions but as economic policy or something of course
Edit; sorry internet, here's the obvious /s I forgot.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Yeah, burn some money on something that doesn't work, that'll help.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 34d
For fucks sake. Are we only going to have a choice between the far left or the far right in this country?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 34d
You're new here, the established Democrats are not and have never been "far left." There is no "far left" party in this country that runs candidates all over it. So it's far right and less right parties with a few outliers that the Democrats treat like unwanted step children.
As well, what's wrong with the far left policies? Healthcare not insurance for all. UBI. Tax structure that actually affects the wealthy. Education for all including college. Stronger unions, weaker company power, more worker's rights, more consumer's rights.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 34d
You'll find your conversations much more effective when you don't begin them by being patronizing. My point is that neither party has been able to solve our problems.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 34d
Yeah but the"far left" has never once been given the chance to try.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 33d
You'll find your conversations much less patronizing when you don't begin them by being loudly wrong. Aside from being wrong about one of the two major parties in the US being "far left," you're also wrong that neither has been able to solve problems. You don't see blue states lining up to make renewable energy illegal. It's not Democrats making mandatory water breaks for construction workers during summer illegal. Republicans consistently make life worse for their constituents. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend the Dems are even remotely perfect, but you have to be genuinely delusional to look at red states and blue states side by side and say neither party is solving problems. Even at the city level, New York City is famously fixing lots of problems recently after electing an extremely popular Democratic Socialist.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
You're too angry to understand what I'm saying.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 34d
For clarity, the actual political compass, left to right, in the 20th and 21st centuries:
Far left: Let's abolish governments via revolution, education, prosperity, and individual freedoms within a collective frame work. A space where everyone gets what they need and is free to pursue what they want beyond their needs, without ever having to fear being homeless or hungry because they aren't 'productive' enough. How we get there is in dispute but that center-left guy might be alright. Or too reformist. We don't know we stopped reading theory made after the 1920s. Also who cares about your immutable characteristics, we should make sure everyone is treated equitably, sure, but we should work to abolish race, gender, sex, and all traditional roles in society so we can make something better.
Center-left: Let's establish a new type of government by the people for the people in all ways, including economically wherein work is correctly assigned to be something that allows you to live life, not something wherein you live to work, a government designed to take care of the people. Maybe even someday we can have a society advanced enough it won't need a central government. Also immutable characteristics are protected, though we can't always agree on what's immutable.
Center: Let's reform capitalism again and hope it works this time, but gay people are okay and I guess blacks are people now, but as long as the rich stay rich who cares who the poors fuck or what colour they are. And fine you can have healthcare... as long as the
UbermI mean Capitalists don't lose revenue. I guess we can just raise taxes to pay those capitalists whatever they ask so they don't lose too much money.Center-right: Reform capitalism? Hell no. Capitalism is fine the way it is and the only reason it isn't better is because the government interferes with the Ubermench's right to rule how they see fit. Clearly if you're not rich you're not worthy of being rich, otherwise you'd be rich, so why would we listen to you? Also blacks are even lower class than poor whites and gays go against God.
Far-right: Capitalism? Oh you poor little untermench. The ruling class has no need for the illusion of capital. We know you're inferior. You know you're inferior. We know we're going to exterminate you while pretending we're deporting you. You know we're going to exterminate you while pretending we're deporting you. After all with how dirty you've made the blood of the nation you know you don't belong here and should be punished. Why even worry about it. Just give us the keys to power and we'll make sure to kill you after the communists in the far left. Then the socialists in the center-left. Those in the center and center-right will never rebel against us, in fact historically they're the only ones that have ever put us in power. That's a majority of ideologies rooting for us, at least when the alternative is you untermenches getting together and pretending you're equal to your superiors.
There is no Far left politician in power in the United States. There has never been a far left politician in power in the united states. There have been fewer than 40 center-left politicians in power in the totality of US history, and most of them died before you were born. You can name maybe 3 if you're really into New York politics.
Every other politician has been center to far-right, with over 80% of all politicians at all levels of government in US history having been center-right. This includes all parties. Especially democrats.