Carney says Trudeau-era climate plan was 'too expensive' and 'divisive'

These stupid people vote though. So…

Should have called it the "polluter tax and rebate"

Or even "carbon tax and cash back" system

But it didn't work. People just pay to burn, even if that means going into debt. You think a tax will stop Terry two tonnne from buying his new truck? No, he bought his truck and dragged Fuck Trudeau flags off the back. Stupid people are poor.

It's not the simplest solution, the simplest solution is ban inefficient vehicles from the roads, and restrict commuting to mass transit. Change building codes for house sizes, and solar roofs. Financial incentives don't work.

Yes. That is what all settler-colonial states ever are, extractive enterprises. Everyone please remember that when you celebrate So-Called Canada Day.

The climate will be fine. We won't.

It was two divisive for the capitalists he means, he just forgot to finish his sentence

You mean 5-10 years. What's the value of >1000 deaths in Europe so far this summer?

Let’s say the next few months and every summer from now on, we got forest fires season now!

We should have put in laws to limit vehicle size and fuel economy, not leave it up to consumer fashion.

Fixing emissions requirements! I drive a 2 seater compact pickup with a 4 cylinder engine, it gets 8-9L/100km depending on the season and conditions. That's as good as some modern sedans, and better than ANY pickup on the market. But no one makes a 4 cylinder compact pickup anymore because emissions limits are calculated partly by the footprint of the vehicle.

It's far too late now but this whole truckzilla problem could have been stomped over a decade ago with intelligent policy. I strongly suspect that we will not get any intelligent policy today, particularly when the intelligent solution is both expensive and counter to industry.

The idea didn't fail because it's inherently flawed. Taxing carbon could easily work, so could restricting activity. Neither is going to meaningfully happen in a resource-based colonialist country.

Poilievre has never supported a carbon tax.

I will say that the carbon taxes made a pretty major difference to my workplace - it pushed up the replacement of our building boiler by a number of years, and switched it to natural gas instead of diesel. Not great objectively, but a marked improvement and the carbon tax was a major factor.

"Politically unpopular" is doing a lot of work behind the scenes here. Who believes people just organically came to the opinion that they don't want to receive a tax rebate when industry pollutes, and that they'd rather the pollution just go on instead of that?

In a market system, a carbon tax is the best way to punish carbon emission

So pickup truck sales and air travel did not skyrocket after 2019?

Canadians all drive small cars and don't do fly away vacations any more?

Carbon tax just ended up being pay to burn. Meanwhile, Ontario is increasing highway speeds 10% which increase fuel use 20%.

Funny how the government can do tlvery unpopular things it didn't campaign on like the surveillance bill C22, but when it comes to caring about the climate (which it did campaign on), it just isn't "viable". Just more neolib bullshit.

This is my biggest fear with Carney and the Liberals: they refuse to do anything about the political NGOs in Alberta funded by US Foundations, nor do they require NFP organizations to be transparent about how they are funded. There are no socialist "think tanks" or "institutes" because there is no USA backdoor funding for them.

The fact that everyone is cool with Jamil Jirvani, once a US-based and educated fraudster, being a sitting MP and travelling to Washington to collude with long time friend JD Vance during USMCA and CUSMA talks is incredibly disturbing and really makes me wonder if we really have a multiparty system in Canada at all.

I see a Carney plan as actually happening, in the long term

I agree, but...

The only problem with that is governments change on a shorter time scale, and new governments frequently hobble or completely eliminate the previous government's long term projects for ideological reasons while claiming that they haven't shown results and therefore are useless.

It happens all the time, and it is a large part of "this is why we can't have nice things".

Holy crap, it is literally a do-over. What in the world... Alberta to propose southern route for new West Coast pipeline, sources say

That opposition, as well as numerous environmental challenges, prompted the Liberal government of Prime Minister Mark Carney to try to persuade Alberta to change tack and consider building a pipeline that largely follows the right-of-way for the Trans Mountain Pipeline from Edmonton to southern B.C.

Celebrating our nation's birthday Saturday instead of Wednesday?

I'm with you on carny sucking ass, but common we know what happened in the us, it's kleptocrisy that's what we sort of avoided

Canadians have to get something through our thick skulls. Every time voters in Ontario BC and Quebec tell Alberta they can't develop their oil, they are being incompetent hypocritical assholes.

It’s pretty rich calling the Québécois hypocritical assholes when we effectively destroyed an entire resource extraction industry in that Province that was on par with Alberta’s oil sands extraction operations.

Canada used to be the world’s largest supplier of chrysotile asbestos, with Quebec alone producing nearly 50% of the global supply from the 1940s through the 1970s.

Unfortunately, like oil we discovered this valuable mineral was — you know — killing people, so we wound that industry down. Quebec lost a very valuable industry where they had a commanding portion of the world supply.

So it’s pretty fucking rich to call people in Quebec “incompetent hypocritical assholes” when they went through the exact same thing in the last few decades, for very similar reasons.

Everyone should push hard to decarbonize their own economies before telling others what to do.

And it’s pretty hard to get that done when you keep putting more and more money into the infrastructure to maintain the oil economy. It de-incentivizes people from making the necessary changes to decarbonize. Building more pipelines to make it cheaper and easier for people to burn it in greater and greater quantities doesn’t slow climate change, and it doesn’t incentivize governments (or their voters) to make the changes this planet needs if we want to ensure it remains inhabitable for humans in the future.

And for those who think “our stopping pumping oil when so many other countries do it won’t change anything”, I’d like to point them to the current situation in the Straight of Hormuz, which itself has caused EV sales to be up nearly 3.5% globally from prior to the war and prices to spike globally.

Maybe everyone should decarbonize? Why should Alberta get special treatment and get to be the last ones in the world to get off of fossil fuels? This is a GLOBAL problem, not an Ontario, BC, Quebec, Alberta problem.

Anyway Alberta is being dumb. There are companies that want to develop wind energy in Alberta, but Danielle Smith blocks them. What happened to letting the market decide? Maybe Alberta could at minimum just let the market decide. But their leaders are in the pocket of oil companies... American oil companies. They're willing to sell out their own country to get the last scraps of oil revenue and then they'll move to the US leaving their province to economic depression in the future.

Peak oil for electricity was last year. Peak oil for transportation is coming soon. It's all downhill for fossil fuels.

It's an economic imperative for Alberta to transition it's economy. But they've been scammed by the oil industry into thinking they'll be making big money from oil forever and Global Warming was invented by Justin Trudeau or some such bullshit. If they continue to believe everything the oil companies say, they will be left behind by the world and become the poorest and most backwards part of Canada.

I care more about GO electrification, public transit expansion, EVs, nuclear expansion, closing gas plants, making the building code close to passive house levels of insulation and airtightness and heat pumps galore.

While Doug Ford cuts fuel taxes and increases highway speed limits 10%, to burn 20% more fuel.

While you aren't entirely wrong we could also do actual realistic things to disincentivize fossil fuel extraction like remove government subsidies from it. Pass laws that not only require O&G companies to remediate the land (which we have but don't really enforce), but require that they put money into a fund proportional to the expected cost of remediation vs. the lifespan of the field. Or have the companies build the single-use transportation system to their ports of choice. Why do I, who would really like there to be a world for my kids in 50 years, have to pay for those things, or let companies absolutely devastate the land with no repercussions whatsoever?

And yes, before you say it, I'd like the remediation plans to apply to just about all resource extraction methods, not just the fossil fuels. Although if we just internalized the cost of releasing all that carbon into the atmosphere, O&G would die out in a couple years.

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