It looks like a flare gun that a larger caliber rifle round happens to fit inside. I could be wrong about that but I really don't think it's meant to fire that round.
Is this real? I imagine that would have worse recoil than a shotgun shell and I think they only do 410 shells in a handgun. Is there someone out there capable of firing this?
From someone who has fired a .45-70 derringer, you're absolutely correct. At a certain point, your wrist is getting torqued whether you like it or not.
Actually, the gun is completely safe. Many people have tested and confirmed this.
12 gauge is actually like .54 caliber so most of the expanding gas passes around the projectile without building pressure. The projectile leaves the barrel way slower than normal, but still fast enough to be lethal, and not very accurately.
When the gun and the cartridge match, the diameter of the projectile is slightly larger than the barrel bore. For example, a .357 magnum cartridge is .357 inches, stuffed into what's ostensibly a .35 caliber gun. Gunpowder isn't an explosive, it actually burns very slowly. It's this very small size difference that allows pressure to build and create the chamber pressures advertised on the ammo box.
Of course a shotgun receiver can't withstand the same pressure as a .50 BMG receiver, but that's not what I said. I said a .50 BMG cartridge won't create enough pressure in a 12 gauge receiver to damage it.
But, by all means, don't take my word for it. There are plenty of videos of other people doing it and explaining it. Watch one of those instead.
Extraction and cycling are a whole other story, I'm not referring to that. 12 gauge shells are rimmed, .50 BMG is rimless, of course it probably won't cycle in most shotguns.
Oh wow, thank you for explaining how guns work. You're so smart!
It's weird that my guns never destroy the brass. Does that mean they don't work?
And I guess C4 isn't an explosive either, because it burns slowly?
And I never said anything about the receiver. The chamber is a different part. And the cartridge will absolutely build up pressure before the bullet has time to leave.
Wouldn't matter if it was rifled. The bullet isn't going to touch the barrel.
Like Dookieman said, the barrel is much larger than the bullet (actually ~0.7" vs 0.5"), so all the gasses go around the bullet. Still dangerous, but I'd be more worried about firing it than getting shot at with it.
It's kinda hard to tell from this picture, but it looks like some kind of .308 or maybe .30-06 cartridge.
Single-shot handguns that fire large rifle rounds certainly exist and fire much larger rounds than that. Kentucky Ballistics on YouTube has many videos showing his collection of them. The video where Eddie Hall fires them all is a good vid where he shows many of them off.
Flare guns tend to be a lot more... disposable, basically?
Like unironically the Pyro's flare gun from TF2, made of plastic mostly.
I dunno, maybe there are much studier built flare guns, but I've not heard of em... unless you're just talking about a grenade launcher firing a flare round or something?
I am seriously skeptical that that is a real gun that could fire without exploding, let alone you being able to hang on to it if it didn't. you're certainly not getting more than a couple shots max out of that before it and your hand is a mangled mess.
Your hand might take a beating, but the gun would be fine. Generally speaking, assuming there are no microfractures from manufacturing defects, if the steel and the design can withstand one shot, it can withstand tens of thousands. Assuming, of course, you perform the required PMCS and don't fire so quickly as to overheat the steel.
I've often struggled to determine the use case for these kinds of guns. If you're hunting, surely a long gun in the same cartridge would be a better choice. If only for emergency defense against large animals while hiking, surely a revolver with a slightly smaller cartridge would be worth having five shots instead of one before having to reload, right?
Besides being a cool conversation piece or range toy, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do with something like this.
Quite literally, such a weapon only exists for you to flex with, that you can fire it and remain in control of the weapon, maybe even hit the intended target as well!
Its... this thing only exists because of dares.
There are more practical weapons for every use case that might even possibly qualify as uses this thing could have.
... I guess unless you are an actual WH40K spacemarine.
Yeah, revolvers are the classic 'deep in the woods - wildlife defense handgun'... but 10mm and 5.7x28 semi autos are gaining popularity there.
A long gun in the same caliber as this would be an anti-materiel rifle... as in, designed to disable jeeps, power transformers, parked helicopters.
You are not going to have a fun time hauling a 30 lb war crime machine with you, into the woods.
I just looked up the Rossi Brawler and it's only $335, putting it around half the price as your cheapest .44 mag. I didn't know they were that cheap, but it makes sense given the simple design. You can get it chambered in .300 blackout and it has a threaded barrel, so that's pretty cool.
That's still only a little bit cheaper than an AR-15, which is going to be more effective at just about everything, so it's probably still not something I would go for, but I think I'm seeing the appeal now. If you just gotta be able to put 5.56, .45 colt, or whatever down range, and that's all you can afford, it sure beats nothing.
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fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net · 60 pts · 52d
Not a gun guy I feel like this would really good for blowing your own arm off.
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 52d
I feel like your arm would probably hurt less than how hard the kickback shoots the gun unit itself into your face
aeiou@piefed.social · 42 pts · 52d
krashmo@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 52d
It looks like a flare gun that a larger caliber rifle round happens to fit inside. I could be wrong about that but I really don't think it's meant to fire that round.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 51d
Like that will stop anyone...
thinkyfish@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 52d
This would make Kentucky Ballistic's neck itch.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 52d
Those guys seem fun/not fun simultaneously.
I wanted that car though.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 51d
They seem to be more focused on the science behind firearms, and getting cool shots, than the political side of firearms ownership.
assembly@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 52d
Is this real? I imagine that would have worse recoil than a shotgun shell and I think they only do 410 shells in a handgun. Is there someone out there capable of firing this?
Neondragon25@piefed.social · 34 pts · 52d
Once, absolutely. Twice? You (probably) had 2 arms.
disorderly@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 52d
With a good weaver stance, proper lean, fingers over fingers grip, and firm isotension, who am I kidding this would suck ass.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 8 pts · 52d
From someone who has fired a .45-70 derringer, you're absolutely correct. At a certain point, your wrist is getting torqued whether you like it or not.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 52d
A 45 70 derringer?
I mean... that is basically pretty close to what this appears to be...
But why? Who dared you to do that? They're an asshole!
Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 51d
I also would like to hear this story
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 52d
Broken hand bones levels of suck if you managed to hang onto it.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 52d
It's a Rossi Riot, single shot 12 gauge pistol. It's technically possible to fire .50 cal cartridges in a 12 gauge but it could wreck the gun.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 3 pts · 52d
Actually, the gun is completely safe. Many people have tested and confirmed this.
12 gauge is actually like .54 caliber so most of the expanding gas passes around the projectile without building pressure. The projectile leaves the barrel way slower than normal, but still fast enough to be lethal, and not very accurately.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 52d
It's not the barrel. The case basically explodes in the chamber. Shotgun chambers aren't built for that, and the extractor might not get the case out.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · -1 pts · 52d
Yeah, that's how firearms work.
When the gun and the cartridge match, the diameter of the projectile is slightly larger than the barrel bore. For example, a .357 magnum cartridge is .357 inches, stuffed into what's ostensibly a .35 caliber gun. Gunpowder isn't an explosive, it actually burns very slowly. It's this very small size difference that allows pressure to build and create the chamber pressures advertised on the ammo box.
Of course a shotgun receiver can't withstand the same pressure as a .50 BMG receiver, but that's not what I said. I said a .50 BMG cartridge won't create enough pressure in a 12 gauge receiver to damage it.
But, by all means, don't take my word for it. There are plenty of videos of other people doing it and explaining it. Watch one of those instead.
Extraction and cycling are a whole other story, I'm not referring to that. 12 gauge shells are rimmed, .50 BMG is rimless, of course it probably won't cycle in most shotguns.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 52d
Oh wow, thank you for explaining how guns work. You're so smart!
It's weird that my guns never destroy the brass. Does that mean they don't work?
And I guess C4 isn't an explosive either, because it burns slowly?
And I never said anything about the receiver. The chamber is a different part. And the cartridge will absolutely build up pressure before the bullet has time to leave.
Is your firearm knowledge just based on YouTube?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 52d
If this is a smooth bore barrel... then you're loosing a fucking 50 cal that is not spin stabilized.
Oh god what a bad idea.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 52d
Wouldn't matter if it was rifled. The bullet isn't going to touch the barrel.
Like Dookieman said, the barrel is much larger than the bullet (actually ~0.7" vs 0.5"), so all the gasses go around the bullet. Still dangerous, but I'd be more worried about firing it than getting shot at with it.
Skanky@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 52d
Maybe not the same maker or model, but definitely real.
https://youtube.com/shorts/NbKSMQnzOEk?is=gozPDmgeumVXssMG
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 52d
EWWW!
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 4 pts · 52d
Kentucky Ballistics is gonna be all over it.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 3 pts · 52d
It's kinda hard to tell from this picture, but it looks like some kind of .308 or maybe .30-06 cartridge.
Single-shot handguns that fire large rifle rounds certainly exist and fire much larger rounds than that. Kentucky Ballistics on YouTube has many videos showing his collection of them. The video where Eddie Hall fires them all is a good vid where he shows many of them off.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 52d
If that's a .308 cartridge, the gun would be too small to hold.
You're just guessing on this stuff, aren't you?
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 19 pts · 52d
Does the tip of the bullet protrude from the barrel?
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 52d
Yes. It doubles as a spicy bayonet!
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 52d
Is that a flare gun with a machine gun round in it?
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 52d
It's a single shot shotgun with a machine gun round in it. Will fire flares too, so technically, yes?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 52d
Flare guns tend to be a lot more... disposable, basically?
Like unironically the Pyro's flare gun from TF2, made of plastic mostly.
I dunno, maybe there are much studier built flare guns, but I've not heard of em... unless you're just talking about a grenade launcher firing a flare round or something?
ProbablyUnwise@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 52d
I am seriously skeptical that that is a real gun that could fire without exploding, let alone you being able to hang on to it if it didn't. you're certainly not getting more than a couple shots max out of that before it and your hand is a mangled mess.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 52d
Like I said elsewhere... I think that's a 50 BMG round.
... there are reasons why you almost never see break action / top break revolvers and pistols these days.
Mainly, they do not tend to do well with high chamber pressure.
A break action 50 BMG pistol?
That's an overly expensive hand grenade, with an reliable arming mechanksm, imo
kalpol@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 52d
https://www.bondarms.com/Cyclops-45-70--P8582.aspx
Not arguing about the mangled mess, but the concept at least is a real item
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 52d
Comparing .45-70 to .50 BMG is like comparing .22lr to .223 Remington.
But this is a 12 gauge pistol with a .50 cal in it.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 51d
Tbf it's tough to tell the scale from the pic, it looks like it could be a .410 with a .308 in it.
H/o let me tineye..
No luck, no more info only dead Tumblr links.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · -3 pts · 52d
Your hand might take a beating, but the gun would be fine. Generally speaking, assuming there are no microfractures from manufacturing defects, if the steel and the design can withstand one shot, it can withstand tens of thousands. Assuming, of course, you perform the required PMCS and don't fire so quickly as to overheat the steel.
adhocfungus@midwest.social · 8 pts · 52d
Makes me think of the Ancient Arrows from Breath of the Wild that just remove the target from existence.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 6 pts · 52d
I've often struggled to determine the use case for these kinds of guns. If you're hunting, surely a long gun in the same cartridge would be a better choice. If only for emergency defense against large animals while hiking, surely a revolver with a slightly smaller cartridge would be worth having five shots instead of one before having to reload, right?
Besides being a cool conversation piece or range toy, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do with something like this.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 52d
Quite literally, such a weapon only exists for you to flex with, that you can fire it and remain in control of the weapon, maybe even hit the intended target as well!
Its... this thing only exists because of dares.
There are more practical weapons for every use case that might even possibly qualify as uses this thing could have.
... I guess unless you are an actual WH40K spacemarine.
Yeah, revolvers are the classic 'deep in the woods - wildlife defense handgun'... but 10mm and 5.7x28 semi autos are gaining popularity there.
A long gun in the same caliber as this would be an anti-materiel rifle... as in, designed to disable jeeps, power transformers, parked helicopters.
You are not going to have a fun time hauling a 30 lb war crime machine with you, into the woods.
justdaveisfine@piefed.social · 2 pts · 52d
I think the only advantage these big bore single shot pistols have is that they're relatively cheap compared to a revolver.
Not a situation I'd cheap out on but I could see someone doing it.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 1 pts · 52d
I just looked up the Rossi Brawler and it's only $335, putting it around half the price as your cheapest .44 mag. I didn't know they were that cheap, but it makes sense given the simple design. You can get it chambered in .300 blackout and it has a threaded barrel, so that's pretty cool.
That's still only a little bit cheaper than an AR-15, which is going to be more effective at just about everything, so it's probably still not something I would go for, but I think I'm seeing the appeal now. If you just gotta be able to put 5.56, .45 colt, or whatever down range, and that's all you can afford, it sure beats nothing.
NONE_dc@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 52d
Isn't that the Requiem from Resident Evil 9?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 52d
... That... looks like a break action 'pistol' that is firing 50 BMG.
If you fired one handed, or even two handed, while not being significantly yolked up...
This thing is flying out of your hand(s), probably into your face.
Or, just exploding.
CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 52d
Might as well just attach an m67 to the end of a handgun assembly
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 52d
Is glock gonna release a carbine conversion kit with an underbarrel shot gun?
Just in case I need to do some door breaching, while I'm standing my ground?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 51d
Also his hand.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 52d
Vaporize? Aerated.
ShotDonkey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 51d
I just want to thank everybody in this chat for hinting me towards Kentucky Ballistics. Didn't know this peak entertainement existed.
ThePJN@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 52d
Reminds me of the hunting pistol Lance Henrikson uses in Hard Target.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 52d
Good lord, I havent thought about that movie in forever.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 52d