In addition, the exfiltration of data to foreign/other bad actors as well as building dossiers on all Americans. The pile of shit perpetrated is quite large.
There's is book from 2010 about this topic, the author and title escape me at the moment, but it explains that this is the path the USA is on on purpose to create good little obedient workers who have no critical thinking skills from arts and literature education.
At least if someone drives a brand-new Tesla. I can kinda sympathise a little bit with people who bought theirs a couple of years ago before Elmo's antics became really obvious and are now struggling to get rid of it.
I give a pass to most Tesla's because I don't know much about cars. The cyber dumpster drivers knew full well who he was before buying their Swasticars, and they get to see my social finger at every opportunity.
Also, the cybertruck is objectively garbage on every front.
It failed at its original design, it failed at its current design, it failed at range, it failed at tow capacity, and more. It is objectively the worst vehicle in the sector it's trying to claim it is in.
No, but selling your car in about a year, after you've had time to prepare shouldn't be too big if a deal, right? It's not about boycotting, it's about having some kind of line that you draw in the sand and say "No more".
Obviously you can't do that, there no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Regardless, there are choices you can make. I have never will never eat a a Chick filet, for example. You have to have SOME line
Yes yes yes, simply read the comment you replied to and you will see that I say exactly that. Just because you can't consume ethically under capitalism, doesn't mean that you should just say "Fuck it" and do whatever.
This feels like when people are like, "Oh, vegetarian sounds good, but I could never. I simply love bacon too much" and then I inevitably say, "Okay, so why don't you try vegetarian+bacon then?"
Ugh yeah, I'm an Uber driver and it being a cheap EV that also qualifies for comfort rides would really make my life better but I just can't support the Nazi. I'm kinda jazzed about the slate truck, but I'm sure it's bad for leftists someway somehow. Living under the thumb of capitalism is tough
slate truck, but I’m sure it’s bad for leftists someway somehow
I'm not familiar with it. But what's its front-on visibility like? How many children can sit in a line in front of it before you can see them? How tall would someone have to be before a crash results in someone being knocked over the car, rather than being run over? (The former being generally much safer.) The problem with many of these types of vehicles that Americans call "trucks" is that their insanely tall bonnets make them insanely dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists—especially children.
It seems like it's slightly lower profile than a Ford Maverick and doesn't seem to employee the sloped hood shape that's better when it's between the 30in-40in range. Which it doesn't appear to be in. I'm kind of leaning towards the ionique? Ionic? The Hyundai. The other issue I'm working with is that I have a tall frame and sitting in a sedan all day is pretty uncomfortable which makes driving longer hours intolerable. Knock on wood I haven't hit any pedestrians but I do do a lot of driving and it's entirely possible that's because of driving a sedan where I can see. It is a worthwhile consideration. But it would be nice. So many considerations
Just looking at the Maverick online, it seems a fairly obscenely tall bonnet in the 2022 models, but older models are much more reasonable.
ionique? Ionic
I think it's spelt Ioniq. They're a brand I quite like, and looking at their recent lineup (I think the last time I looked at them was like 2021), the Ioniq 3, 5, and 7 all seem really good. The 9 stretches things a bit, but is still a hell of a lot better than the Maverick 2022.
I bought mine before he went crazy. He has tweets after I purchased bragging about scoring high on lgbtq equality. Further, mine has lifetime free supercharging. The longer I have it the more I cost tesla money.
He was always a shitty person. Even in his adolescence.
He made fun of his classmate because his classmates father committed suicide. That classmate responded by shoving him down the stairs. Which honestly should have happened more.
He was calling a heroic cave rescuer "pedo guy" for daring to beat him to rescuing children before his cool submarine was built... 8 years ago. And people back then weren't surprised how awful that was, because it had already been well publicized how fucking awful he is.
He has always had some pretty shitty opinions about things and a shitty way of doing business. Tesla was basically stolen by Musk from the guys who founded it, then he tried to rewrite Tesla history and label himself as the soul founder, at which point the actual founders had to sue him to maintain their founder status, and that was all in 2009, so unless you tell me that you bought the Roadster in 2008, I have a really hard time believing you. Or you're one of those people that don't care about things until it's literally shoved in your face. But I digress. Sure you didn't know.
But what's stopping you from selling the one you have now, since you do know, now?
Because, as mentioned in my initial comment, it costs tesla money the longer I have it. If I sell it, the free supercharging won't go with it. While it's mine I can choose where to get repairs and avoid tesla service centers. That's not a guarantee if I sell it.
Tesla Roadster was just a Lotus with a retrofit electric motor. Without Elons cash they wouldn't have become what they are today.
In effect he helped found a viable production car instead of staying as an aftermarket retro fit of another manufacturers car.
He's an absolute asshole douche, but I'm glad he brought Tesla to where it is, it forced all other ICE manufacturers to take EVs seriously.
You bought yours before 2018? Because that's the cut-off for when supporting anything Musk does was acceptable. Butting his way into an emergency situation offering "help" that lacked any awareness of what was actually needed, and getting so butthurt when told he wasn't helping that he accused the heroes actually saving children's lives of being paedophiles, and hiring PIs to try and track down dirt on them to that effect, is inexcusable. And then lying to a court to pretend that calling someone a paedophile is not a serious insult in South Africa, in order to win the defamation suit.
It was a prominent enough news event that unlike his many flaws from before then, Tesla owners cannot reasonably claim ignorance after 2018.
But anyone who genuinely did buy their Tesla before then is fine in my books. As winkerjadams says, selling your car now won't hurt them. Not enough to matter, anyway. (In theory, more people selling might reduce the resale value, which will reduce incentive for people to buy new, reducing Tesla's value. But I suspect that's a miniscule effect in the EV market.)
My car is 8 years old and paid off. I’m sorry we didn’t have many options 8 years ago and we didn’t know who he was. I’m glad I have an EV now because gas is crazy and my electricity is $0.13/kWh vs $5.50 for gas, even though I barely drive it since I live in a city now and take public transit, but my wife uses it to drive to work. I am not going to buy another tesla if we ever need another car.
But there’s no point in selling a car that we use at a loss right now. I don’t give him any money besides long distance trips with the superchargers, but every new EV uses the Tesla super chargers now.
Um where have you been? With chip shortage and supply chain issues the dealers were phoning people up and offering more than they paid to get cars back.
A friend drove a van for 2 years and dealer bought it back over new price.
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Used cars have been crazy prices too. A car you'd have paid $1800 for 6 years ago is now $6000 even with six years more
Of all the fuckery they did (and it was a fuckton), I’m most distraught about them murdering USAID. So much suffering and death for the sake of being cruel.
It didn't even make sense as a political move. I'd wager most MAGA folks had never heard of USAID or knew what they did, and it was at least helping the US' reputation on the world stage.
Obviously the real value is the good it was doing all over the world, but for the Trump admin that couldn't care less about that, it still made no sense to axe it.
Not knowing what a program did and cutting it anyways was DOGE’s MO. They don’t care. And the MAGA people won’t ever bother learning about how this affects everybody including themselves.
All the money spent on the US Military offering aid in places like Haiti, Nepal, and Philippines all came from the USAID bucket. Thw bottled water, fuel, shelters, food... all from that USAID line of accounting. I am very interested to know where the money is coming from to pay for aid in Venezuala, because it's probably the same bucket for dumping bombs into Iran.
notice how fast the MSMs quashed the news of musk screwing over all the agencies that were benefitting magat states, when it started hurting them, or about . they stopped after reporting doge non-stop for 1-2 months, and almost nothing until "musk decided to leave doge" a few months later.
MAGA folks are conspiracy nuts and AFAIK one of them is that USAID was a tool of the CIA to have influence over foreign governments (or smth like that). Which was peddled by anti-imperialists originally, AFAIK. It wouldn't surprise me if this somehow transpired into MAGA circles and was interpreted as an instrument purely used by democrat elites to rob hard working Americans of their tax dollars, which is of course happening more than ever under their current kleptocratic "government".
"Did you reduce the federal deficit?" the attorney asked.
"No, we didn't," Nathan Cavanaugh responded
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“I think a person can have enough judgment from reading books and being well-informed outside of traditional experience to make judgment calls about obvious things like a grant that literally lists DEI in its description,” Nathan testified.
If it weren't so depressing this would be some of the funniest shit I have ever seen. As it is, it's still pretty funny, seeing these clowns have to (fail to) justify their choices to real, serious people.
Bunch of fucking murderous pieces of shit. They all deserve to be publicly beaten within an inch of their lives. Then they deserve to be denied medical assistance. I hope they all drown in baby shit.
It ain't over until members of DOGE and Musk have been put to sleep. They will just do this again, when the Regime needs vandals to do the dirty deeds.
They probably reached their goal. It was never about efficiency. That was just the PR spin to sell it to the public. It was about getting rid of pesky regulatory bodies which stood in the way of making more money. Especially those who hindered Musk's companies.
The USA is currently experiencing the end phase of capitalism: massive corruption turning into open corruption with an economic oligarch class fusing with the government, massive income gaps and problems for regular citizens, class and culture wars plus reappearance of fascism to keep the population busy with culture wars among themselves instead of uniting against the exploiters, and so on. But it just started in USA. It's already swapping over to other western democratic countries as well.
You becoming a neo-nazi by constantly being served right-wing propaganda on company-controlled social media channels is better for their business than if you were a neutral, critical thinker. It's why Twitter was worth the 40 billion for Musk. Not because he expects it to ever repay itself. But because he can produce more loyalists by influencing what the algorithm shows and hides for you. Nazis are great for them because they're busy fighting against other parts of the population while giving the wealthy class a free pass to do what they want. Which is more money, more influence, more exploitation.
It’s incredibly sad that they will never have consequences from what they did with this. Any functioning society will lock Musk and everyone up as soon as possible
The armed guards in the lobby of the first agency they raided should have shut down the DOGE Pirates right there in that lobby with extreme prejudice. That's the very reason they carry guns. Instead, they just let them in.
Then we could have fought it out in court, like we should have.
No problem. USDS wasn't always about 'efficiency' and used to be a way for digital services to be made. For example, if Medicare for All were to happen, who makes the web dashboard for every American to log into? Before doge was a thing, it would have been USDS. Hopefully Trump doesn't kill the office is what I'm saying, so whenever we get Medicare for All through it'll be made by some competent people and not claude or fable or whatever the next hot AI slop generator is.
There are several million people who work in the various agencies who do good work. Regular people. Don't mix up the regular 9-5 people who are doing their best with the elected officials
This administration is extremely effective at getting things done. I don't think I've ever seen its equal as far as how many things they are doing. Unfortunately most of those things are to enrich the few and you can bet your ass there was a reason closing DOGE up so quickly done. Good luck finding out why though.
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stermy4u@lemmy.world · 294 pts · 32d
He accomplished his goal of trashing all the agencies that were in the middle of investigating his businesses.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 183 pts · 32d
Also defunding arts, sciences, academia, and anything that might improve people's lives, and making minorities suffer more.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 32d
In addition, the exfiltration of data to foreign/other bad actors as well as building dossiers on all Americans. The pile of shit perpetrated is quite large.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 32d
There's is book from 2010 about this topic, the author and title escape me at the moment, but it explains that this is the path the USA is on on purpose to create good little obedient workers who have no critical thinking skills from arts and literature education.
towerful@programming.dev · 49 pts · 32d
And extracting a fuck tonne of sensitive data
radiofreebc@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 32d
He also stole a fuck-ton of your data, from every agency possible.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 32d
and getting SSNs of most people to be used by russia and scammers.
RiverFox7@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 28d
andyburke@fedia.io · 193 pts · 32d
At this point, if you drive a Tesla, I have a real hard time not thinking you like Nazis who hate freedom and minorities. 🤷‍♂️
andyburke@fedia.io · 137 pts · 32d
pictured: Tesla CEO
voidsignal@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 32d
fucking nazi scum trash
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
What a wonderful Roman Salute. đź’€
cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 32d
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 32d
At least if someone drives a brand-new Tesla. I can kinda sympathise a little bit with people who bought theirs a couple of years ago before Elmo's antics became really obvious and are now struggling to get rid of it.
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 32d
I give a pass to most Tesla's because I don't know much about cars. The cyber dumpster drivers knew full well who he was before buying their Swasticars, and they get to see my social finger at every opportunity.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 32d
Also, the cybertruck is objectively garbage on every front.
It failed at its original design, it failed at its current design, it failed at range, it failed at tow capacity, and more. It is objectively the worst vehicle in the sector it's trying to claim it is in.
Subjectively...fuck all of it.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 32d
I stopped giving a pass to most Tesla driver a couple of months ago when I realized they've all had plenty of time to sell their cars
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 32d
If Subaru starts committing genocide, selling my car now isn't going to hurt them, only me.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 31d
I thought you meant this Subaru
And was likw "hold on, i didn't knew he made cars"
::: spoiler Last Season spoiler of Re:Zero Yeah, okay, it's plausible a genocide atp, but a car?! :::
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 32d
No, but selling your car in about a year, after you've had time to prepare shouldn't be too big if a deal, right? It's not about boycotting, it's about having some kind of line that you draw in the sand and say "No more".
WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
Let's go through a list of products you use and see how many are created by evil people. Very easy game to play.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 32d
Obviously you can't do that, there no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Regardless, there are choices you can make. I have never will never eat a a Chick filet, for example. You have to have SOME line
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 4 pts · 31d
Spoiler: probably half the companies you pay things for support israel and the other 1/4 is israeli which commits a genocide
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 31d
Yes yes yes, simply read the comment you replied to and you will see that I say exactly that. Just because you can't consume ethically under capitalism, doesn't mean that you should just say "Fuck it" and do whatever.
This feels like when people are like, "Oh, vegetarian sounds good, but I could never. I simply love bacon too much" and then I inevitably say, "Okay, so why don't you try vegetarian+bacon then?"
Ethics aren't binary.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 32d
Selling a Tesla to another owner solves nothing, now you have a new owner you are hounding to sell it
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 32d
It solves the "You are not a Nazi but own a Nazi car" problem. Who gives a shit who you sell it to?
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 31d
The next person could unwitting buy it not knowing the elon Nazi thing. I think you over estimate the general publics awareness of what goes on.
It solves nothing. Future sales should be the target.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 31d
Well, then I hope your little bumper sticker prevents your swasticar from getting keyed and I'm glad you've found a way to sleep well at night.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 32d
Ugh yeah, I'm an Uber driver and it being a cheap EV that also qualifies for comfort rides would really make my life better but I just can't support the Nazi. I'm kinda jazzed about the slate truck, but I'm sure it's bad for leftists someway somehow. Living under the thumb of capitalism is tough
andyburke@fedia.io · 21 pts · 32d
Hey, wanna say 🤝 for being principled even when money is on the line, unlike some other responses in this thread.
And I agree that the Slate looks cool af. đź‘Ť
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 32d
Does a Hyundai qualify? I just got one of the Ioniq cars for a great deal and in my opinion, beats Tesla in every category.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 4 pts · 32d
My Hyundai EV is honestly very great, I got the kona
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 4 pts · 32d
Bezos put money into this project, but it seems that he no longer has any representation on the board.
Zagorath@quokk.au · 4 pts · 32d
I'm not familiar with it. But what's its front-on visibility like? How many children can sit in a line in front of it before you can see them? How tall would someone have to be before a crash results in someone being knocked over the car, rather than being run over? (The former being generally much safer.) The problem with many of these types of vehicles that Americans call "trucks" is that their insanely tall bonnets make them insanely dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists—especially children.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
It seems like it's slightly lower profile than a Ford Maverick and doesn't seem to employee the sloped hood shape that's better when it's between the 30in-40in range. Which it doesn't appear to be in. I'm kind of leaning towards the ionique? Ionic? The Hyundai. The other issue I'm working with is that I have a tall frame and sitting in a sedan all day is pretty uncomfortable which makes driving longer hours intolerable. Knock on wood I haven't hit any pedestrians but I do do a lot of driving and it's entirely possible that's because of driving a sedan where I can see. It is a worthwhile consideration. But it would be nice. So many considerations
Zagorath@quokk.au · 1 pts · 32d
Just looking at the Maverick online, it seems a fairly obscenely tall bonnet in the 2022 models, but older models are much more reasonable.
I think it's spelt Ioniq. They're a brand I quite like, and looking at their recent lineup (I think the last time I looked at them was like 2021), the Ioniq 3, 5, and 7 all seem really good. The 9 stretches things a bit, but is still a hell of a lot better than the Maverick 2022.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 30d
Slate is a compact Vehicle. Not an electric brodozer.
andyburke@fedia.io · 1 pts · 32d
You should do just the most basic research to understand how prejudgemental you are being. đź‘Ť
Zagorath@quokk.au · 1 pts · 32d
I'm not being prejudgmental, I'm asking a question, and explaining the reason the question is relevant.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 30d
so..impossible to type Slate EV into search?
fizzle@quokk.au · 1 pts · 32d
This looks great, but it seems it's part owned by bezos? No thanks.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 30d
just cover up the logos.
meco03211@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
I bought mine before he went crazy. He has tweets after I purchased bragging about scoring high on lgbtq equality. Further, mine has lifetime free supercharging. The longer I have it the more I cost tesla money.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 32d
He was always a shitty person. Even in his adolescence.
He made fun of his classmate because his classmates father committed suicide. That classmate responded by shoving him down the stairs. Which honestly should have happened more.
He was always rotten to the core.
meco03211@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 32d
That may be, but that wasn't really well known then. Hell I haven't heard anything you claimed above until now.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 32d
Behind the Bastards did a segment on him about 7 or so years ago, which is how I found out about how shitty he was when he was younger.
This article I found on the stairwell incident:
https://www.news24.com/business/economy/elon-musk-made-hurtful-comment-to-fellow-pupil-who-left-him-hospitalised-father-says-20220602
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
We were this fucking close to answering the "What if baby Hitler was killed" question.
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
He was calling a heroic cave rescuer "pedo guy" for daring to beat him to rescuing children before his cool submarine was built... 8 years ago. And people back then weren't surprised how awful that was, because it had already been well publicized how fucking awful he is.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 32d
He has always had some pretty shitty opinions about things and a shitty way of doing business. Tesla was basically stolen by Musk from the guys who founded it, then he tried to rewrite Tesla history and label himself as the soul founder, at which point the actual founders had to sue him to maintain their founder status, and that was all in 2009, so unless you tell me that you bought the Roadster in 2008, I have a really hard time believing you. Or you're one of those people that don't care about things until it's literally shoved in your face. But I digress. Sure you didn't know.
But what's stopping you from selling the one you have now, since you do know, now?
meco03211@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Because, as mentioned in my initial comment, it costs tesla money the longer I have it. If I sell it, the free supercharging won't go with it. While it's mine I can choose where to get repairs and avoid tesla service centers. That's not a guarantee if I sell it.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 32d
You're keeping it to protect it from the real Nazis? Come on, dude. You have done mental summersault to avoid selling your swasticar.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 32d
Tesla Roadster was just a Lotus with a retrofit electric motor. Without Elons cash they wouldn't have become what they are today. In effect he helped found a viable production car instead of staying as an aftermarket retro fit of another manufacturers car.
He's an absolute asshole douche, but I'm glad he brought Tesla to where it is, it forced all other ICE manufacturers to take EVs seriously.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 30d
They worked with Lotus, but it only shares 6% of parts with the Elise. Musk wasn't at Tesla at that time.
Zagorath@quokk.au · 1 pts · 32d
You bought yours before 2018? Because that's the cut-off for when supporting anything Musk does was acceptable. Butting his way into an emergency situation offering "help" that lacked any awareness of what was actually needed, and getting so butthurt when told he wasn't helping that he accused the heroes actually saving children's lives of being paedophiles, and hiring PIs to try and track down dirt on them to that effect, is inexcusable. And then lying to a court to pretend that calling someone a paedophile is not a serious insult in South Africa, in order to win the defamation suit.
It was a prominent enough news event that unlike his many flaws from before then, Tesla owners cannot reasonably claim ignorance after 2018.
But anyone who genuinely did buy their Tesla before then is fine in my books. As winkerjadams says, selling your car now won't hurt them. Not enough to matter, anyway. (In theory, more people selling might reduce the resale value, which will reduce incentive for people to buy new, reducing Tesla's value. But I suspect that's a miniscule effect in the EV market.)
meco03211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
Yes. I bought it before his "pedo guy" tweet.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 30d
Musk was an asshole since PayPal
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 32d
My car is 8 years old and paid off. I’m sorry we didn’t have many options 8 years ago and we didn’t know who he was. I’m glad I have an EV now because gas is crazy and my electricity is $0.13/kWh vs $5.50 for gas, even though I barely drive it since I live in a city now and take public transit, but my wife uses it to drive to work. I am not going to buy another tesla if we ever need another car.
But there’s no point in selling a car that we use at a loss right now. I don’t give him any money besides long distance trips with the superchargers, but every new EV uses the Tesla super chargers now.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 32d
You'll never not sell a car at a loss
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 32d
Um where have you been? With chip shortage and supply chain issues the dealers were phoning people up and offering more than they paid to get cars back.
A friend drove a van for 2 years and dealer bought it back over new price. . Used cars have been crazy prices too. A car you'd have paid $1800 for 6 years ago is now $6000 even with six years more
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 30d
But Teslas devalue like rocks. In fact, the devaluation kills any fuel savings.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 1 pts · 32d
Saying "my principles have a price tag on them" sounded bad.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 3 pts · 32d
At least disable data collection.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
My friend has a Tesla. He is absolutely this person.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
I had a coworker that regularly pressured other people to buy Tesla. He succeeded in convincing two of his friends as well as his own daughter.
Swuden@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
I feel like most of the commenters in this thread would have an aneurysm if they took a drive on Norwegian roads.
theedqueen@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 32d
Of all the fuckery they did (and it was a fuckton), I’m most distraught about them murdering USAID. So much suffering and death for the sake of being cruel.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 40 pts · 32d
It didn't even make sense as a political move. I'd wager most MAGA folks had never heard of USAID or knew what they did, and it was at least helping the US' reputation on the world stage.
Obviously the real value is the good it was doing all over the world, but for the Trump admin that couldn't care less about that, it still made no sense to axe it.
theedqueen@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 32d
Not knowing what a program did and cutting it anyways was DOGE’s MO. They don’t care. And the MAGA people won’t ever bother learning about how this affects everybody including themselves.
Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 32d
If it didn't personally benefit them, they cut it and stole the funds
nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 32d
It made financial sense for them. They're looters.
grahamja@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 32d
All the money spent on the US Military offering aid in places like Haiti, Nepal, and Philippines all came from the USAID bucket. Thw bottled water, fuel, shelters, food... all from that USAID line of accounting. I am very interested to know where the money is coming from to pay for aid in Venezuala, because it's probably the same bucket for dumping bombs into Iran.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 32d
notice how fast the MSMs quashed the news of musk screwing over all the agencies that were benefitting magat states, when it started hurting them, or about . they stopped after reporting doge non-stop for 1-2 months, and almost nothing until "musk decided to leave doge" a few months later.
boomzilla@programming.dev · 0 pts · 32d
MAGA folks are conspiracy nuts and AFAIK one of them is that USAID was a tool of the CIA to have influence over foreign governments (or smth like that). Which was peddled by anti-imperialists originally, AFAIK. It wouldn't surprise me if this somehow transpired into MAGA circles and was interpreted as an instrument purely used by democrat elites to rob hard working Americans of their tax dollars, which is of course happening more than ever under their current kleptocratic "government".
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 29 pts · 32d
This is precisely why Musk needs to prosecuted, and imprisoned for life, as well as his psychopathic minions. They are mass murderers.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 73 pts · 32d
Well at the least the US deficit is now less than it used to be right? ... RIGHT??
Joelk111@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 32d
"Did you reduce the federal deficit?" the attorney asked.
"No, we didn't," Nathan Cavanaugh responded
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“I think a person can have enough judgment from reading books and being well-informed outside of traditional experience to make judgment calls about obvious things like a grant that literally lists DEI in its description,” Nathan testified.
"What books?" the attorney asked
"There were no books,” Cavanaugh said.
Source
Source - where I actually learned about it
If it weren't so depressing this would be some of the funniest shit I have ever seen. As it is, it's still pretty funny, seeing these clowns have to (fail to) justify their choices to real, serious people.
wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip · 59 pts · 32d
Bunch of fucking murderous pieces of shit. They all deserve to be publicly beaten within an inch of their lives. Then they deserve to be denied medical assistance. I hope they all drown in baby shit.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 32d
They do this to finish wiping evidence before the midterms.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 50 pts · 32d
It ain't over until members of DOGE and Musk have been put to sleep. They will just do this again, when the Regime needs vandals to do the dirty deeds.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 46 pts · 32d
They probably reached their goal. It was never about efficiency. That was just the PR spin to sell it to the public. It was about getting rid of pesky regulatory bodies which stood in the way of making more money. Especially those who hindered Musk's companies.
The USA is currently experiencing the end phase of capitalism: massive corruption turning into open corruption with an economic oligarch class fusing with the government, massive income gaps and problems for regular citizens, class and culture wars plus reappearance of fascism to keep the population busy with culture wars among themselves instead of uniting against the exploiters, and so on. But it just started in USA. It's already swapping over to other western democratic countries as well.
You becoming a neo-nazi by constantly being served right-wing propaganda on company-controlled social media channels is better for their business than if you were a neutral, critical thinker. It's why Twitter was worth the 40 billion for Musk. Not because he expects it to ever repay itself. But because he can produce more loyalists by influencing what the algorithm shows and hides for you. Nazis are great for them because they're busy fighting against other parts of the population while giving the wealthy class a free pass to do what they want. Which is more money, more influence, more exploitation.
boomzilla@programming.dev · 12 pts · 32d
In addition he needed Twitter to get Trump elected in the first place as shown by Led By Donkeys.
Voumig@lemmy.pt · 44 pts · 31d
It’s incredibly sad that they will never have consequences from what they did with this. Any functioning society will lock Musk and everyone up as soon as possible
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 31d
You're asking too much here. I mean, just look at who's in charge.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 32d
There is no justice until this ratfucker is hauled off, imprisoned, and everything he's done needs to be fixed.
He does not deserve his freedom and humanity can't withstand it.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 32d
They made their final downloads of our data.
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 32d
IT WAS STILL HERE??? I thought that monstrosity was put down back when Trump and Musk had their little lover's quarrel
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 32d
The conspiracy to destroy American institutions happened in broad daylight.
grammaticerror@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 32d
Are we efficient now? Are we great again yet?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 32d
The winning. I’m tired of it.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 31d
The armed guards in the lobby of the first agency they raided should have shut down the DOGE Pirates right there in that lobby with extreme prejudice. That's the very reason they carry guns. Instead, they just let them in.
Then we could have fought it out in court, like we should have.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 30d
Turns out the U.S. definitely is not the home of the brave.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 32d
Now we need to doxx them all and hunt them down.
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
I’ll start by googling big balls.
…
I might take a while.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
We need to arrest them and sieze their assets
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 31d
he got what he needed from it
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 30d
SpaceX contracts, and 17 NHTSA investigations on Tesla dropped.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
The destruction must have reached its goal.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 32d
I hope this doesn't mean USDS shuts down. I wanted to apply there assuming it would return back to its software development roots.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 32d
You want to work for the pedophile war crime government?
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 31d
I beg for you to reinterpret my comment my guy. I don't really want to explain it to you, but to put it shortly: you got the wrong message from it
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 31d
My bad.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 31d
No problem. USDS wasn't always about 'efficiency' and used to be a way for digital services to be made. For example, if Medicare for All were to happen, who makes the web dashboard for every American to log into? Before doge was a thing, it would have been USDS. Hopefully Trump doesn't kill the office is what I'm saying, so whenever we get Medicare for All through it'll be made by some competent people and not claude or fable or whatever the next hot AI slop generator is.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 31d
You need good people to add friction to the plans of bad people.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 31d
They've been the pedophile war crime government for much longer than Trump lol.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
There are several million people who work in the various agencies who do good work. Regular people. Don't mix up the regular 9-5 people who are doing their best with the elected officials
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 30d
And they're working for pedophiles and war criminals. Just following orders isn't a very good excuse, lol.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 30d
They're like... Air traffic controllers, office clerks, safety inspectors, etc.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 29d
Yep, greasing the wheels of an empire responsible for millions of dead civilians.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 31d
You want there to be no internal friction? You want no-one who can later recall what’s been broken and where the parts have been scattered?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 30d
I mean there's no win for Americans here. They did what they wanted with it and made off like bandits.
And the United States of America isn't big on justice so there won't be any.
pyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
yep in a just world they'd be hanging four years from now
motruck@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 30d
This administration is extremely effective at getting things done. I don't think I've ever seen its equal as far as how many things they are doing. Unfortunately most of those things are to enrich the few and you can bet your ass there was a reason closing DOGE up so quickly done. Good luck finding out why though.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
Just another government criminal enterprise.
Zagorath@quokk.au · 2 pts · 32d
So is it gonna go back to being the USDS and doing the good work that organisation did? Or is it just dead?