Shifting left, Democrats see universal healthcare, taxing the rich as 'essential', Reuters/Ipsos poll finds
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/shifting-left-democrats-see-universal-health-care-taxing-rich-essential-2026-08-04/
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AnotherWastedHuman@retrolemmy.com · 69 pts · 15d
Duh! All the recent losses to Progressives finally clue you in?!?
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 44 pts · 15d
Raises the question as to why human decency is considered progressive….
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 15d
Aha! Excellent question! The reason why human decency is considered evil is very simple.
When Jesus escaped the cross and purged everyone who tried to kill him at Golgotha, he explained that forgiveness, mercy, and humility are weaknesses of the human condition. If you feel someone has crossed you, then you are obligated by the LORD to get revenge, or you would be committing the mortal sin of mercy.
Observe Figure A down below. The evil ones who perverted Christ's message favor the straight cross, since they believe that he actually wanted humans to be humble, forgiving, and weak. The true followers use this bent ends variant, which demonstrates how Christ changed his mind after the Romans failed to kill him.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 15d
Is this a shitpost? I can't find any evidence of any of this. Is this like some fringe version of Christianity like the Rosicrucians or something?
I feel like I'm missing a joke.
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 15d
There’s a massive silent /s at the end of that. It’s pointing out how warped conservative culture Christian ideology is, that they’re preaching the exact opposite of what Jesus actually taught, under a nazi symbol.
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 15d
Exactly what I was going for.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 15d
Thank you lol Its really hard to distinguish that especially on something like Lemmy because so many people will actually believe and post about the most insane shit and be 100% sincere about it.
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 15d
It's the "Inquisitor Cycle" variant of Christianity. I don't think they have an official name, so...yeah.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 15d
As far as this position on the issues, I'm pretty sure this was already a majority opinion anyway?
That kind of thing - polling on issues that actually fucking matter to everyone - is exactly why the Republicans work so hard to try to paint the Democratic Party as trying to make everyone transgender and have men competing in every single K-12 female sports event....
Suddenly we are arguing over "bathroom bills" and "men in women's sports" instead of about things on which there is majority support, but which the oligarchs oppose.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 14d
They distract with the culture war to divert attention from class warfare.
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 14d
I kind of do want this, though? Like, not every event, but every once in a while let's have a soccer match of a team of 6 year old girls versus a couple of middle-aged men. Just to see what happens.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 14d
Hey, if Musk can make "everything computer" why can't I make everything transgender?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 14d
Dem voters have been to the left of Dem leadership for at least a couple of decades now. But the big corporate donors don't want policies that help people. They want neocon subjugation.
MJKee9@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 14d
This fact is now recognized by a majority of democratic voters, for the first time in my life.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 13d
And therein lies my hope.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 21 pts · 15d
Of COURSE! We MUST try to get MAGA Votes if we Want to WIN!
-Democrat Strategists!
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 14d
Shut up and do what Ezra Klein says!
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
I see you've been taking to Katie Hobbs!
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 14d
Don't worry, theres still plenty of time for the democratic party/DNC to fuck everything up in favor of the republicans-from-40-years-ago democrats.
wpb@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14d
You're off by a factor 10.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
republicans-from-400-years-ago????
;-)
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 16 pts · 14d
THESE are the Things that Democrat Voters WANT and will WILLINGLY vote for? Well I GUESS we have NO Choice but to TRY and Court MAGA votes!
-James Carville!
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 13 pts · 14d
It should just be the progressive party. I'm so done with the bullshit that changes nothing of the status quo that everyone is unhappy with.
This is the best time for it to be implemented. The next president will have the biggest opportunity to make huge sweeping disruptive changes. I just don't think the democrats have the balls to force it like they will be able to with the sweep.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 14d
Prosecuting the facsists and making sure this crap can't happen again is essential. Focus on that motherfuckers.
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 14d
I am sure they just mean democratic voters not actual democratic candidates.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14d
Democratic candidates will campaign on retaking both houses and then promise to work across the aisle for common sense tax reform.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
Our oligarchs still largely fund politicians, so our politicians naturally tend to favour the belief system of their funding.
taj@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15d
In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet!!
Volkditty@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 14d
Essential as a policy or essential as a campaigning slogan?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 14d
Wait are they seriously listening finally?
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 14d
No this is just the people saying it not leadership saying/part of the dems platform
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 14d
Because nothing could be more objectively and obviously true
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13d
Yeah they see it, but the standard Democratic politician will not do shit about it. Vote for the Progressives.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14d
After 30+ years, Democrats are finally showing some recovery from the BS that was neoliberalism.
Limonene@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14d
I can't access this site because of a Datadome block.
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 14d
I'll give you the first paragraph of each section.
Introduction
String of Victories
Divisions on Israel
And this is the poll of interest:
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 14d
The polls have been consistently showing progressive policies have been popular for quite a while. It’s the party that wasn’t going along with the wishes of voters.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
It's a cold war between the rich and the middle class (the poor are already casualties). You can't negotiate a truce with them because they're winning. It's way passed time to fight back so if we keep pulling our punches we'll end up in a prison planet.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 14d
While I'm in favor of increasing taxes on the rich if given the option, it's always felt like such a bandaid measure. Our society should be structured in a way that doesn't produce these people in the first place.
leadore@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14d
Yeah but taxing the hell out of them helps with lowering production of them. The highest bracket tax rates used to be >90%
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 13d
I'm aware of this. The problem I have is that it basically means they are subsidizing large segments of our economy, making us more dependent on them. More dependence gives them more leverage, and eventually only continues this back and forth we have now.
I still support it, as I said previously. But it's never going to solve the root problems, which are executives and corporations as institutions. They need to be supplanted.
leadore@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13d
I think it would mostly balance out though, for individuals. Right now, their greed is boundless because they keep practically all profit made so nothing mitigates their desire for more, more, more.
But when they know they only get to keep 8% of what they make beyond a certain point, they won't have as much motivation to keep squeezing more and more out of their customers (or whatever the money source is). As the tax rate increases with income, an equilibrium would be approached where they wouldn't consider it worth the effort to keep pushing for more, knowing there's a functional limit to just how much wealth they can accumulate after that point.
I agree with you that this only addresses part of the problem. Another important legislative step is to take back control over corporations and forbid monopolies again! We used to, but the antitrust and other laws controlling their growth and power have been effectivley dismantled and now we're in a new gilded age.
Those two things could be implemented quickly, along with eliminating some of the more egregious tax loopholes. Then over time reform (or replace) the whole tax code (enormous task).
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
That's what I've been arguing for years, those on the left that want change to happen, have to change the democratic party from within. It's not just the best way, it's the only way.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
I don't care how we get there, just fucking get us there. The destination requires empathy to find it, so the monsters should mostly get lost trying to follow the old paths.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Until they actually have to make something that works, then it’s just watered down garbage that caters to companies.
WraithGear@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14d
fuck them. they see the left as gullible. anyone that is coming to this realization now need to be out of the job right fucking now. they will make claims that they will fight for progressive causes up until they get elected.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 15d
That's great! Just keep your hands off firearms for law abiding citizens and you'll have my vote.
Edit: since some users here are confused on politics... In the U.S. there are such things as liberal gun owners. Come shooting with us sometime and you can see why we hate fascism.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 15d
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 14d
Man, if we convince every single issue gun rights voter that the left is actually pro gun - shit, we could go bring justice to the pedophiles by next week. Fuck voting at that point.
Seriously though. We literally have our own version of the NRA on the left, the SRA. Any self respecting leftist owns at least one firearm.
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 15d
The strawman, he's long dead.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 15d
That's hilarious coming from a Canadian where it's difficult to get or even keep anything other than a pellet gun.
AnotherWastedHuman@retrolemmy.com · 3 pts · 15d
If your guns – that you presumably virtually never need to use – are such a ridiculously high priority to you, then your priorities are seriously out of whack. Especially since nobody's trying to take them from you unless you're mentally unfit to have them. Or is that the real reason for your "concern?"
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14d
AnotherWastedHuman@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 14d
Can't rebut my argument (or won't, which may be telling), so you lamely try to move the goalposts. Hard to take you seriously after that. What happened in those places isn't going to happen here anytime soon (at least not with regard to guns). There are plenty of other much more pressing issues that should be higher in your priory list.
BTW in case you didn't notice, I'm not the person you were talking to a couple comments back.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 14d
See, it's saying things like that that's making people like them skeptical.
AnotherWastedHuman@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 14d
Riiggghhhhttttt. Ignoring the fact that the distant future is almost completely unpredictable makes people less skeptical. Make sense.
🙄
For those of us grounded in reality, the likelihood of gun ownership being forbidden anytime in the foreseeable future – especially when there are so many millions of people out there with them already – is extremely unlikely.
At the risk of sounding like a "think of the children" argument (which, ironically, that side of the political spectrum loves to misuse), I don't believe anyone sane wants mentally unfit people to have access to guns.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 14d
Hobbyists don't need guns at all. And, in order to preserve game species for future generations, hunters should be limited to using Stone Age bows with flint-tipped arrows, spears from the same era, and (in a bow to modernity) Louisville Sluggers, but only for bears over 1/4 of a ton.
As for self-defense, do something useful like learning situational awareness.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 14d
Wow, tell us you don't understand herd management at all.
AnotherWastedHuman@retrolemmy.com · 0 pts · 14d
Wow, tell us you don't understand sarcasm at all.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 14d
Yes, why don't you since you don't know how to use it.
save_the_humans@leminal.space · 2 pts · 14d
Its a conservative supreme court, you don't have to be a single issue voter. Progressive candidates can try to make promises to get elected, but no ones going to be able to take your guns away. Even a progressive court wouldn't be able to do that much. A law for background checks or waiting periods on purchases might be upheld by a progressive court, but the right ultimately won't be infringed.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 14d
How about we figure out how to pay down our debt and then we can attack healthcare
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 14d
People like you would go after pennies in the name of downplaying the debt. There are bigger fish to fry in the budget than not having universal healthcare. Let's look at the oil subsidies, telecom subsidies, in fact give every single one a good glance over. I'm certain we can save enough billions to pay for healthcare multiple times over.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14d
Yeah, Zohran Mamdani should focus on balancing the books before he opens the government communism store.
Oh, he did? And he fixed the potholes? And did it quicker using the machines of the government rather than corporate bureaucracy? And he wants me to earn more money each year, pay less to live, and cares about me as a person?
Well, all that sounds great in theory, but this billionaire said that we still need to pay off our debts, and billionaires know a thing or two about money!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 14d
They know about exploitation to get money, not making it. No one earns a billion dollars, they exploit workers and the stock market to get that wealth. In fact, they wouldn't know anything about money because they don't have loads of money, it's all wealth in various assets that they have accountants shift around, appreciate, depreciate, take loans on, etc.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Well if that's true, then why do I base me entire personality on talking about how smart billionaires are and misquoting them?! Checkmate, people who understand that therapy only works if you're willing to speak honestly and listen earnestly!
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 14d
Maybe stop paying $1.5 trillion dollars to the military industrial complex serving Israel, Wall St, military contractors and big oil.
And maybe stop giving the rich tax breaks on generational wealth and capital gains.
We only need a homeland defense force. That’s it. $100-150 billion a year is plenty. If we stopped the disgusting amount of military spending, we could have modern safety nets just like Europe.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 14d
Universal healthcare is pretty cheap compared to all the money we’ve been hemorrhaging on wars, support to countries like Israel, tax cuts… hell, all of this is small potatoes compared to the economic destruction that’s been done with these tarriffs.
We could have good healthcare for everyone for far less money than has been spent fighting with Iran this year.
Also, the USA can still afford all this and more because we are the richest society in history. Let’s keep some perspective. Even with all the crazy bullshit that’s happened in the last few years, we’ve never actually been lacking for money. It just gets prioritized into stupid shit.
There’s enough money in this country to pay for everything we want, and still have lower taxes than Europe. We just have to stop letting hoarders control the money.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
We can walk and chew gum.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 14d
Can we?
Triasha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
We have to really.
Or disaster will force it, one way or another
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 14d
Don’t get me wrong I’d love universal health care but you also can guess disaster will have to force
Objection@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 13d
US military spending is higher than the next 9 countries combined.
Cut it in half, it'd still be the largest in the world and we could fund just about anything we can imagine.