The SoC appears to be a 7% CPU/GPU perf bump according to Qualcomm. No info on North American compatibility yet.
Fairphone 6 Plus leaks reveal first images, specs, and pricing
https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-6-plus-colors-specs-price-3696546/
174 Comments
dadarobot@lemmy.ml · 68 pts · 2d
the big irony to me, is everytime they announce a new one, i want to upgrade to it, but im supposed to stay on my old phone until it is barely usable.
warm@kbin.earth · 62 pts · 1d
Think of new phone models as refreshes for people in the market at the time, rather than something you need to get. If you have a good phone from the last 5 years or so, you are not missing out on anything.
0ops@piefed.zip · 14 pts · 1d
This is what most people I know do, the only exceptions being tech enthusiasts and people with fuck-you money
manualoverride@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
My phone has it’s 10th birthday next year, only thing I think I’m missing is 5G, and probably vital security updates.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 1d
Huh, that makes me wonder, last time I upgraded was fairphone 4, and that's because my previous phone didn't have NFC, which is very useful nowadays, and it seems to have been a model released in 2017. Did I make a bad choice on my previous phone, or do you not have that either?
manualoverride@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Well it’s the iPhone X, not sure if it has NFC, what do you use it for?
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1d
Recently I've just been using it to pay with (instead of a separate physical card), but when I get my ID updated I believe I can use it to scan the chip inside to verify my identity. I'll be honest, I think back then I was seeing NFC stuff pop up more often, but not sure if it was a passing trend or if I've just not been using stuff where it'd be useful.
manualoverride@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Ah iPX had NFC so I use ApplePay all the time. But if something needs to verify my identity, it’s got to have a VERY good reason or it doesn’t get used.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 22h
What do you use NFC for? Because I literally never use it. Just curious.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 10h
As mentioned in another comment, paying with my card through my phone, and when I get a new ID using it to verify identity (on government sites).
Also pinging @HerbGrower@slrpnk.net, since you're also curious ;D
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 20h
Also curious, never used it. Got FF4, not sure if I have NFC or not.
joelfromaus@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 1d
This is a problem I have with tech YouTubers and how they often compare phones directly with last years model. It’s always inevitably not worth upgrading from their POV. For a while there MKBHD would compare the new model to a, I’m guessing a little, 3 year old model which is much more realistic since most people aren’t upgrading sooner than that.
jaygray91@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 1d
It's why I've been looking for smaller channels that have old phones and compared them with less older phones. Sadly I'm not finding any luck with this that I felt quality enough.
dadarobot@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
i do think 6+ is more of an incremental upgrade and i dont need it. my phone works great, pretty much the only games i play on my phone are via steamlink or retroarch.
i had the fp5 imported into the US, but when my usb started wearing out and i tried to get a new one it was a huge pain to get here. decided to get the 6 bc they actually sell parts here.
im slightly worried theyll do something like partner with postmarketos and make the 7 work flawlessly under linux at launch. it would be a great thing, but damn guys give me a reason to not buy the next model! lol
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
Sell it or give it to a family member so they can see that the data parasites are the reason they have to charge their phones every day.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 20h
Using Lemmy for most of the work day I'd why I need to charge my nearly 5 year old FF4 most days. Kinda curious what the battery capacity is like compared to new as I only got it a few months ago second hand.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 1d
Can always sell. It's an upgrade to somebody.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1d
Consumption under capitalism something something
meat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1d
I feel pretty good about getting refurbished phones.
WaterSword@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1d
The good thing about fairphones is that they are still great secondhand, so you could pass the fairphone bug onto someone else who needs a new phone with your old phone and get the newer one for yourself I guess
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
Nobody's forcing you to upgrade every year. Don't do it.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
Same, but I've been holding out on my FP4 for almost 5 years. This shit is neigh indestructible with how much I let it fall on the floor. Had to buy a back plate twice though.
Hello_there@fedia.io · 40 pts · 1d
The Murena tax on these items is crazy. 34% increase in prices to have them shipped to US.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
But we're just so free!
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
Tariffree!
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1d
Wow that's a lot. I imported mine from Clove UK.
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I don't even see the option to send it to the US
Hello_there@fedia.io · 10 pts · 1d
www.murena.com has the old fair 6. They are listed as the official provider for outside EU
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
petrichornetrainfall@piefed.social · 31 pts · 1d
Why is it USB 2.0? This would have been a great chance to undo the downgrade when they released the base version.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 17 pts · 1d
The lack of a headphone jack was already a factor, but the usb 2.0 was the reason I ended up deciding to get a different phone.
black0ut@pawb.social · 28 pts · 1d
No mention of adding the audio jack back. Sad, because it would be a solid phone with one.
severalkittens@ani.social · 18 pts · 1d
Also, imo, it's a huge miss when marketing for less e waste
black0ut@pawb.social · 13 pts · 1d
What they did with the wireless earbuds is amazing. User replaceable batteries on an earbud is something I hadn't seen before. And definitely kudos to them for doing that.
But skipping on the audio jack, which could have saved so much e waste too, was such a bad take.
They did the earbuds because they can charge you 100€ for them, and then you're essentially locked to their battery subscription for when the batteries eventually fail every year. It was just a coincidence that they had just removed the audio jack before releasing them.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
And even if you have usb c headphones now you have to replace the usb hub every year from wear and tear, and they get huge profit margin from it as it's an Usb2.0
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 1d
Sony Xperia devices have audio jacks + good support for custom ROMs usually. They don't have the Fairphone bits of repairability and modularity though.
abc@suppo.fi · 8 pts · 1d
The upcoming Commodore flip phone is going to have an audio jack with an audiophile (whatever that means) DAC.
https://commodore.net/callback/
black0ut@pawb.social · 5 pts · 1d
Noted, thanks for the recommendation. I'll take what I can get. I want a phone that can run pmos well enough for daily driving, so I'm currently waiting to see what gets done with this new (much needed) push for mainline linux on phones. I'll definitely keep an eye on sony's phones, I've heard many good things about them.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 20h
Yep. No jack? Send it back.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 17h
Right to jail
Alpha71@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
You can always just use a usb-c to 3.5mm.
eneff@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 1d
no charging then
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
They make adapters with several ports, it's very cheap and doesn't add much.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d
Frankenstein
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20h
You wish to stick two cables in your phone, but sticking the same cables in an adapter first is somehow atrocious for you. This weird aversion of yours is the weirdest shit ever, I swear.
black0ut@pawb.social · 4 pts · 19h
You now need 2 dongles (or a bigger, more expensive dongle) to do something you could previously do with no dongles. Not only you need to buy the dongles, but you also have to remember to take them with you and not lose them. It's a worse experience.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
But your phone doesn't have a big hole in it that is practically impossible to waterproof, takes all the grime and dust, randomly breaks for no reason, requires a bunch of additional space and electronics, and all that just so small minority of users can avoid having additional three cm of cable on their meter of cable.
It's a better experience for everyone, and imperceptibly marginally worse for small percentage of people. I can't overstate how much having a small extension on a phone cable is a non-issue. The best premium one is like 7 euro, 3 cm long, and weights 9 grams.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
That doesn't work on other phones. I've tried.
eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 21h
AFAIK it depends on the adapter, some phones have an inbuilt DAC and literally just use pins in the USB-C port for headphones, which means the dongle is literally just wires.
Other phones don't have that and require the dongle to have its own DAC.
You probably used a simple adapter on a phone which didn't have those headphone lines in the USB-C port.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 1d
As an audiophile, I gotta say that audio jacks needed to die. Often, you would get a much lower bitrate out of the whole system. "Well, the sound card attached to the jack can only do 16bit, so there's no point in going past that in the OS or motherboard." With my fairphone 6, I'm a $20 Moondrop dongle away from 32 bit 192 kHz audio, which wasn't actually possible with most flagship phones before they started dropping audio jacks, and is basically infinity as far as any human ear is concerned.
Allero@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 1d
As someone who got through audiophilia stage and back, most people do not expect phone DAC to output high-res audio. They just want to plug their wired headphones on the go, without extra clutter.
You're very unlikely to hear the difference in a hustle and bustle of the city, and if you want to settle in a quiet place to enjoy your collection in all its glory, you have plenty of better options available.
Headphone jacks are still absolutely valid for many.
black0ut@pawb.social · 12 pts · 1d
Most standard DACs in motherboards are already 24/192. Even the cheapest phone or laptop will do that. Not with high fidelity, mind you, but a $20 dongle won't do a better job.
On top of that, DACs have lower fidelity the higher the bit depth and sample rate go. On a $20 dongle, the difference may even be big. If you want a DAC that will faithfully output those rates, you're gonna have to spend $200+, not $20.
Having an audio jack also doesn't stop you from connecting your own dongle or external DAC to the USB port, so it doesn't really change anything.
The real reason for audio jacks isn't fidelity and audio quality (even though they will have higher audio quality than any bluetooth earpod). The real reason for audio jacks is convenience. Not having to carry around a DAC or a dongle, being able to use old wired headphones, not having to charge your headphone battery, etc.
ReluctantZen@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 1d
Audio jacks aren't only for audiophiles tho, so I have to disagree that they had to go.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 1d
What you said makes no sense at all. You may be an audiophile, but you have very little understanding regarding engineering, apparently. 32bit is pointless. Hell, bit depth itself doesn't even change much (besides how quickly you can run out of storage xD).
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 1d
32 bit is usually floating point and effectively the same as 24 bit for playback. Only makes a difference while recording, but even there just make sure you're not clipping and you're back to 24 bits.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1d
When it comes to listening to music, 16bit is more than enough. There's no audible difference with 24bit.
polle@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1d
Too bad that stuff is subjective and esoteric as hell. Ten years ago i went down the audio optimisation route for my mixing setup for audio production. I stopped taking it so serious after i read a of a test of some audio production people where the difference between 96khz/24bit and 48khz/16bit was looked into. The result was: when you move some cm out of the sweet spot of your speakers you cannot hear the difference anymore, which is ridiculous.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Bit rate isn't subjective or esoteric at all? It's literally the exact opposite, a measurable quantity that physically limits the quality of the audio.
polle@feddit.org · 2 pts · 22h
If that is your logic, why aren't you using 48 bit or even 128 bit audio? Or what about 256 bit? The bigger the better.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
This is only ridiculous if you don't know how sound works. Thankfully your point is moot when we're talking about headphones, since you're always in a sweet spot there.
polle@feddit.org · 2 pts · 22h
Tell the DT 990 PRO that there is no sweetspot on headphones, they will tell you differently.
eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 21h
As someone who loved the Samsung Galaxy S series up until the S10, that's not quite true. Samsung actually built decent DACs into their phones, with the S10 having that 32 bit 192 kHz.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 18h
I'm almost certain that's not true. I have an S10+, and with an external DAC that displays the bitrate, it caps at CD quality.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Absolutely. I'm so glad we're not attached to this shitty old standard anymore.
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 1d
I love that fairphones have kept the SD card slot. Now make them a bit smaller and they'd be perfect.
severalkittens@ani.social · 29 pts · 1d
Now if only we could get the headphone jack 😭
0x0@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 1d
Check out Sonys xperias, they are less wide than most phones and has kept both jack and card
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
My current phone is an Xperia but Sony is slowly pulling out of Europe. They're not sold in my country anymore and I don't know if I'll be able to get one when I need a new phone. Sony is not exactly a reliable company.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 3 pts · 1d
Next vacation in Japan then? 🤪
severalkittens@ani.social · 1 pts · 1d
Currently rocking the Xperia 1 VI and it's easily the best phone I've owned!
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1d
The Sony Xperia 5V has to be the phone with the worst software and technical support I've ever had. Add the excessive price to the mix and you have a customer that will never buy your product again. I loved having a headphone jack and sd card, but at some point you just need a phone that works properly.
doenietzomoeilijk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 20h
But if they make the sd card slot smaller, you won't be able to fit an ad card in there, duh.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1d
Where is it? I don't see one.
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
In the specs
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 1d
USB 2.0, wifi 6.0. Why did they make such a choice in 2026 ? We want last tech not a retro phone.
ReluctantZen@feddit.nl · 18 pts · 1d
Fairphone is not about the latest tech. They tend to go for well-supported hardware to ensure longterm support.
They're also not meant to be flagship phones. These specs are pretty common in midrange phones still (and also completely fine for the majority of people).
kunaltyagi@programming.dev · 4 pts · 12h
USB 3 hasn't been latest tech in a while. I'm sure they aren't saving more than 5 dollars on this decision
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 29m
The USB 3.0 standard was finalized and published in 2008. USB 3.1 specification superseded it in 2013, and then USB 3.2 superseded that in 2017. Each version is fully backward compatible with every standard version from before, so there's nothing stopping people from releasing a 3.0 controller and certifying it works in the 3.2 mode that is a drop in replacement for 3.0.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 20h
WiFi 6… okay. The radios are expensive, I get it.
USB 2.0 though? Not even 3?
That is just unacceptable. It is such a tremendous pain on base iPhones too, and why? To save a nickel?
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 17h
Its literally nickels youre saving. I had it on the first flagship phone i owned and i never understood it. Its a phone that had a much faster cpu and bit slower gpu than my laptop at the time and i cant even have wired video when its just like 20 traces to an soc that already has the pins for it from a port that already has all the contactors cause literally nobody sells high end water resisant usb c ports that dont support at least 3.1 10gbps
rkw_social@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1d
How often and how much are you transferring to your phone via USB?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 20h
Frequently.
I plug into a dedicated camera to transfer media, sometimes, or as a secondary viewfinder and USB 2.0 makes my bones ache.
I plug in to backup, to transfer a download real quick, all sorts of things…
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
Everytime I need a fast backup of the pics and videos. It is the fastest way for large files.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 20h
Isn't WiFi 6 faster?
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17h
I need the dp alt mode. I regularly use my phone to play movies to my family when were staying over somewhere and its much easier to bring a single usbc-hdmi adapter than a whole laptop.
krdo@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h
Personally I need it for dp alt mode. It's such a nice feature.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · -1 pts · 20h
Using WiFi to transfer is far more convenient than having to get cables out anyway.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Furilabs FLX1 has the same problem. They backed down and removed usb3 to usb2 on newer models and it baffles me why.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
Instead of a Plus version they should just offer upgraded parts for the base phone.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 18h
Exactly! What's the point of a modular, if the modules don't upgrade the overall?
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18h
Yeah but its fairphone. It really seems tocme thst the onoy reason theyre fair is because its good marketing.
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org · 1 pts · 3h
With the last plus version (fairphone 3+), that was exactly what they did. It'll be the same here I figure.
artyom@piefed.social · 14 pts · 1d
Not interested unless and until they decide to put the headphone jack back in. Removing it was not "fair", nor was their nonsense justification.
black0ut@pawb.social · 16 pts · 1d
By pure chance, they released a wireless earbud product after removing the headphone jack. Just coincidence, really.
And then, they've come up with the silliest excuses for not having an audio jack. Truly silly excuses. They said it would take up too much space. Then they said it would reduce durability. Then they said it somehow reduced user choice and their freedom to use their phones as they want. And then they just said using their own dongle is better.
I really like the idea behind the fairbuds, and I was really considering buying a fairphone. But this whole audio jack debacle has made it clear that despite very wide pushback (that they themselves admit), they don't care about what users want and will prioritize profits.
It's kinda sad seeing such a cool sounding company have a meltdown over not wanting to add a simple audio jack. And it definitely has soured their image for me. I'm no longer considering their phones.
artyom@piefed.social · 13 pts · 1d
Exactly. They pulled an Apple. Create a problem. Sell the solution. That just undermined their entire mission in my eyes.
Ilandar@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 1d
Where are you getting this "prioritise profits" line from? They have reported losses for the last three financial years, and in 2022 (the last year they were profitable) Fairphone had a profit margin of 0.07%.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 1d
If you want a device with good custom ROM support + headphone jack, the Sony Xperia devices seem quite good. The Xperia 10 VII is a budget to midrangeish plastic fantastic 6.3" device (like the Fairphone) with the jack, microSD card slot, and support for LineageOS as well. You also have the Xperia 1 series, which also have good LineageOS support, but those devices are larger and more expensive (you do get better chip, cameras, etc. though), as well as the Xperia 5 line (more expensive, but not larger)
It does kind of suck that the Fairphone had the jack removed though, following the trend of other big companies doing the same. I think the only one still putting the headphone jack in all their devices is Sony's Xperia brand, and Motorola if you discount their Razr foldable.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 1d
Sony's software support is awful. I had a Sony Xperia 5V and, while I did like the size and hw in general, the phone refresh rate for example was constantly jumping around, which made the experience never feel very fluid. It also has issues with certification. I had to root it just to be Google Play certified because Sony did not give two shits about the issue. There are some custom roms available, but you have to constantly update modules and apply patches to be able to use Google Wallet. On top of that, some banking apps (e.g. Revolut) are much much harder to hide root from (I personally was never able to do it).
On top of all of this, their phones are expensive af and they only promise 2 major OS updates.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 1d
Hence custom ROM support!
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 1d
You're making it sound like there are plenty of roms and they all work flawlessly. At least for the Xperia 5V there are only a few and they're not perfect.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
It's a lot better than 0
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1d
I guess. It's still not a solution or something you can rely on.
PeroBasta@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Is there an xperia with at least 5000mah battery?
Because in the years i got used to strip down my phone to be a googless machine that needs charging every 3 days with 10-12 hours sot
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
The newer Xperia line is claiming multi day battery life because they aren't using 4K displays on their highest end models anymore. Their Xperia 1 V was their last model with 4K if you wanted that for watching movies or something. I believe the Xperia 10 devices have always had reasonable battery life, comparable to other phones in a similar form factor (6.1" to 6.3" I think)
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 19h
I want a Fair phone 6 Minus. Smaller phones please!
blight@piefed.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 1d
It's not an option for me if it can't run GrapheneOS unfortunately.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 14 pts · 1d
Pretty sure the Bootloader in unlockable (at least they were in the past?) and support(ed) mainline Linux kernel for an actual Linux mobile OS.
Idk, to me that sounds way better than staying on a google device.
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
I think i've heard graphene-heads say the Pixels have some specific hardware features that make them more secure and is the reason graphene only works on them. Still i'm not gonna give google any money, i'd rather vote with my wallet and get an FP next
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 2 pts · 1d
if you want graphene but want to avoid giving google money you could always just buy a used phone on the second hand market
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
Arguably you're still giving google money, by funding the next google phone for the person who previously bought a google phone :P
Though I'd imagine buying a used phone is still a better choice than buying a new one, even if it's theoretically funding a better company.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 2 pts · 19h
only if that seller is moving to another pixel :-)
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
For me that is not an option considering how difficult battery replacement surgery is on pixels
artyom@piefed.social · -4 pts · 1d
Buying a Google phone and then removing all the Google stuff actually costs Google money.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 1d
I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case, but is there a source for this?
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
I don't have a source (and am not who you replied to), but it could be that Google sells Pixels at a slight loss in an effort to get more people on the platform. Maybe not loss, in the traditional sense, but more so in that they build getting people into the Google ecosystem into the price.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
For sure, and that's where I thought they were going with it. But unless there is a source for how much it cost google to have the phone made, and how much they're expecting to make back with users in their ecosystem, it's just guess work.
I'd probably get a pixel for my next phone if this were the case, but I'd want to be sure.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
An unlocked bootloader for a user that cares about physical security and privacy is a show-stopper. It basically gives up the keys to the kingdom, with a smile.
The ability to run true Linux is nice though.
E: word
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 5 pts · 1d
Not really... At least not generally. The privacy increase from switching from Android to proper Linux is, to me at least, more important than loosing a locked bootloader.
That's just my threat model. I know that Google & Co are extracting as much info about me as humanly possible, and I have no reason to believe that I am being targeted by someone with the capability to exploit the unlocked bootloader.
Same for my PC btw - secure boot is disabled because it's not worth the hassle. Again. In my threat model.
(But I would wager that this goes for a lot of users.)
bananabread@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Could you explain further please?
What is so bad about the unlocked bootloader? Can't you relock it?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
Unlocking the bootloader makes the entire system compromised - an adversary can install malware that persists through reboots or even factory resets, since the security regarding verified boot is disabled; they can decrypt the storage and read, copy it; it is relatively easy for a system to experience privilege escalation, and run admin commands - if the user is aware of it or not.
There's a few other things, and some of it needs an additional step or two, but most things go from 'impossible' to 'trivial'. And when you're facing an adversary (be it a rootkit in an apk, law enforcement, or government agencies) that expect you to be knowledgeable about tech, they will take advantage of the potential holes users might make along the way.
Relocking the bootloader is incredibly rare on custom roms; I know of only one that supports it (gos). Every other rom I've ever used, so in the 50+ range, doesn't worry about it. So usually the only way to relock is to revert to factory.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 1d
LineageOS via avbroot, CalyxOS and iodéOS all support bootloader relocking.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Is calyx still a thing? I used to use it years ago. iode is a new one to me :o
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 1d
Yeah CalyxOS just came back from a hiatus due to some internal drama, and iodéOS is a French based ROM that is based on LineageOS.
CalyxOS has made some pretty nice QoL changes in the last few years that I really appreciate (Seedvault backups, Per-app, per connection type firewalling, Work profile ootb, VPN sharing over all profiles)
iodeOS offers bootloader relocking on devices that support it, and they support devices longer than Calyx & Graphene for Eco. sustainability, but you do still run the risk of the proprietary hardware drivers having vulnerabilities. I tried it out for a bit but it wasnt for me.
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Even /e/os supports relocking.
Rocking it rn.
bananabread@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Thank you!
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
No problem :)
Ilandar@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
Yes, you can relock it. There is quite a bit of misinformation in this thread, I'm not sure why. As you can see from this chart, bootloader locking is available with iodéOS across multiple devices (including Fairphones), not just Pixels.
waldfee@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
Yes, you can relock the bootloader, though only with official builds
https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/bootloader-relocking#relocking
med@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
The trouble is the bootloader is often not relockable with a custom avb key
The only OEM with official support for relocking the boot loader with a custom avb key is Google sadly
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 1d
This is blatant disinformation. CalyxOS requires a relockable bootloader with their AVB key to support, and they support Fairphone, Motorola, Shift and in the past have supported OnePlus and Xiomi in addition to Google.
https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/
The reason Graphene is only on Pixels is due to the Titan security chip on Pixels being so vital to the GrapheneOS security profile.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Why do you need to run GrapheneOS?
Harmonics041@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 1d
Because its level of security has obsoleted every other mobile OS. They're all BTFO. Graphene is so far ahead it cannot see the competition in the rear view.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · -2 pts · 1d
Or so the marketing tells you. And let's say it were true, does your threat model warrant its need? Are you protecting yourself against a thief gaining access to your phone once it's stolen, or are you being hunted down by a state?
Harmonics041@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
They take a proactive approach and lock down things to help protect against future exploit development. My threat model is someone stealing my phone and then having an exploit to be able to access it. Or it being dumped by a an external device. Also extra defence against priv esc virusi. Also the privacy features are much better than what I previously used (calyxos, eOS etc)
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 20h
Current fairphone owner, but my must have for my next phone is the ability to install Graphene.
Without that, umtgoing to Motorola. Can't even attempt to use e/os, as the installer won't function on mine.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 20h
Why graphene specifically? Using Calyx on my FF4 currently.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 19h
I need to be able to run some play things for work, and Graphene has a sandbox ability that e/os and others don't.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 12h
Your employer can provide you with a phone for work stuff then.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 6h
I've got my own business, but need things for clients like Okta.
I can buy a second phone, but really don't want to have to carry it.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 19h
As in, they allow to run play things in the sandbox?
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 6h
Graphene lets you run Google Play, but stops it from having outsized permissions, so it can't spy quite as well.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
I think one could achieve some of that by using Private Space where Play is allowed permissions while stripping its permissions in the main profile. That's if you trust Android's permission model.
absquatulate@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
I wouldn't get my hopes up too much with motorola. They only mentioned the graphene collab like once in passing, and with how they're managed these days they probably don't even remember it.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 10 pts · 1d
If the cameras were significantly improved, I'd probably upgrade and gift my current FP6 to my niece. Looks like they're exactly the same though. For my use cases, I don't see any point in having more RAM or a better SoC in my phone, FP6 will serve me just fine on that front for many years.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
Speaking of the cam, I find it quite good. It's comparable to Pixel a-series. What sucks for me is that it's not consistent. That's entirely software though.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
So that means they'll fix it through a software patch, right?
...
They'll fix it through a software patch... right?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 2 pts · 1d
It can take nice pictures, but as you say, it's not consistent. I'm not sure it's entirely software. Even using GCam software, about 30-40% of my pictures end up being wobbly. My Pixel 4a made much better pictures on average. Also, videos seem to have frequent stutters. Then there's the wideangle camera, which I'd consider pretty unusable quality-wise.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
I just wish the screen was bigger so I could type.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Wtf? Bigger? Why not just buy a tablet?
Feddinat0r@feddit.org · 7 pts · 1d
My phone is 8 years old. I really need a new one, but i also need a keyboard...
So it will be the clicks communicator.... Hope it will come in a good shape :)
solrize@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
I have a very lightweight bluetooth keyboard that's been a good companion to my slab phone.
Feddinat0r@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
Which one?
I just love to type on an hardware keyboard phone. I tried a normal phone for about two years and it was absolut horror
solrize@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
Which bluetooth keyboard? Some random cheap one. I think the brand is "Quintie"? I can check if you want.
I don't mind typing on a screen keyboard if it's just for a few words, like a text message or email equivalent. Anything longer and I use my laptop if I can, or the bluetooth keyboard if I've only brought my phone.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 7 pts · 1d
I still have my 4. Wonderful phones!
solrize@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1d
I see the price tag and lol, but then remember that all the big name flagship and even midrange phones have similar sticker prices. But then I have to ask whether the typical user actually pays the amount up front for a Pixel 10 or whatever. I'd expect it's instead baked into subscription pricing where you get the phone at a large "discount" with a 2 year contract or whatever.
I do have a family member who bought a new iphone 13 when they were $700 or so but I couldn't see doing that myself. My $200 Moto G hardware does everything that I want my phone hardware to do. It's just the software lockdowns that I'd want to escape from. If I could run Graphene or whatever on similar hardware I'd be right there, no need for a Fairphone.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 1d
I imagine this is only a chip bump + additional RAM, so not really worth it for most people as an upgrade. A nice bonus for people getting a new phone though!
It also looks like the modular accessories are interchangeable since the design looks almost identical. Very glad it's still 6.3" too, the "Plus" doesn't mean it's bigger.
The price bump to €649 is quite significant though, that's a €150 jump from the MSRP of the non-Plus! The memory crisis is rough.
These are just leaks though, no confirmation on anything yet!
kepix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h
who is this for?
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1h
People who want to replace a battery without paying $150 for genuine parts and labour. At least that's who I am. 😅
CkrnkFrnchMn@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3h
I don't hear any good from Amazon users 'bout the FP6...hopefully this one does better.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
Ask if you'd like, I've been using one for half a year.
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 1d
Too small for me. 6.3 inches
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 1d
say /s bro please bro.
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1d
No sarcasm, I want 6.8-6.9
krashmo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
That's what she said
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Thats what every woman said 😭
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
Too small? How big are your hands? When you hold a phone that size, can you reach every corner of the screen with the same hand you're holding it?
Maybe you're looking for a tablet, not a phone.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
So don't get the Fairphone? If you really want a big screen, get a Surface tablet or something.
If you want a more reasonably suggestion, the Sony Xperia devices have larger displays (6.5" I think), the Xperia 1 V has a 21:9 display that is tall and skinny, while later devices (Xperia 1 VI onwards) have a more traditional aspect ratio of 19.5:9 (like most other phones). The Xperia 10 VII is awesome but is "too small" at 6.3". If you don't want a Sony device, you will probably say goodbye to a headphone jack.
Then you have the Pixels, and many of the older ones can be had for relatively cheap. They come in both big and small sizes, and support a wide variety of custom ROMs too! No headphone jack or microSD slot though.
And 6.3" is not small for a phone. It's more like medium. The iPhone Mini had a sub 6" display, as did the smaller Zenfones, so 6.3" is definitely the baseline nowadays.
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1d
Yeah but its not true. I just want 6.8 - 6.9 like new iPhone.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1d
Did you not read? I said the Pixels come in the mega big sizes too! Alternatively, get a tablet
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 1d
I don't want Google hardware and article is about fairphone
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
Then get a tablet if you want a beeg screen. Or get the Pixels used
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1d
Bro, no offense but you're the one not reading here. You start off with "so don't get a fairphone?", but indeed, grumpycat is not getting a fairphone. Surely people should be able to criticize products they don't intend to buy.
And then later in this thread you tell them to buy a used pixel even though they don't want Google hardware - they didn't mention paying Google as the problem, but the hardware.
I'm not trying to hate or be a jerk to you, but maybe consider taking a chiller and more charitable tone with people, especially as you aren't being as careful or exacting in your own posts and reading as you are expecting from grumpy_cat
philpo@feddit.org · -2 pts · 9h
Still no wireless charging. Due to one of their founders having a personal feud with it. That's a hard no from me.