It sounds highly implausible that Argentina would export horse meat as beef to the US. Argentina is a huge beef producer and while they do produce some horse meat it's exported to the EU where there is an actual demand for horse meat and there it's labeled correctly as horse. Why would they export it to the US as mislabeled beef? I have a hard time believing this without evidence. Have I missed something or is this just an unsubstantiated rumour?
Meat exports are very sensitive and even one small scandal can cause your entire meat exports to be banned all around the globe. It would be far too large of a risk to take even from a strictly economic perspective. In addition to this meat produced for export in Argentina is slaughtered in special export approved slaughterhouses in which the importing country can send inspectors and when it arrives in the importing country it's inspected again. One batch of Argentinian beef recently skipped through import inspection, hence the recall. It was not a failed inspection and nothing has been found to be wrong with the beef.
Keep in mind the US is basically getting rid of a bunch of their food and safety regulations right now. Producers and suppliers basically stopped inspecting a bunch of stuff the same day a bunch of regulations were pulled, and now a bunch of our food is already making people sick.
It's rare and quite inefficient to export whole carcasses. So it would be exported as whole fine cuts and as mince. The organs would most probably go to pet food locally. The mince would not reach EU consumers as mince but rather as sausage or salami. In fact the salami I buy says it contains non eu horse meat on the label which is highly likely to be Argentinian horse.
Yeah I think it's good! Horse meat is often more expensive than beef so there is a reason they add it. It's kinda like really lean beef but without that beefy savoriness. Most salami is made with pork as the main ingredient but pure pork can often be a bit flat so by adding beef you can get more of a meat flavor in there. But beef often makes the salami taste beefy and savory in a bad way when combined with fatty pork, like a stew or something. Horse ads that meaty flavor without that distinctive beef savoriness. So you get a salami with a strong meat taste that's still very clean on the palate. I really enjoy it. I have seen more than one brand with horse but to be honest it's quite rare outside the top shelf products.
Is horse traditionally in salami? I don't actually know but I would imagine so. Horse meat taboo is strong in the UK and has been taboo in the UK for apparently hundreds of years and this has spread to other anglo countries. But in the rest of the EU this taboo doesn't really exist.
In the Netherlands, the kroketten and bitterballen you buy at a restaurant or bar usually contain about 20% of horse meat. Since this is just small bits and pieces, it can be about any part of the animal. In the past it was in a lot more products, but consumption of horse meat is on a decline.
a few years ago, there was a small to medium scandal in europe: beef lasagna with argentinian meat was found to be actually ground horse meat.
while it was bad to mislabel the meat, to me the bigger tragedy was that they had to throw away all those products. i am sure selling them at a discount would be less of an economic damage for the corporations. at the same time students and not so well off people get a cheaper meal. either way, i really like horse meat - to thet extent that i am quite willing to pay extra for a nice cut.
That scandal in the EU was not argentinian horse meat. It was domestic EU horse meat from Romania and Poland. And the whole fraud did not even originate in those countries, it was meat middle men in the Netherlands and France who relabeled, once correctly labeled horse meat, to beef. That's what makes this whole current rumor so implausible. Mislabeling horse as beef in the import stage would require the inspections both in Argentina and the entry inspection in the US to both fail. It would be far easier for something like this to happen inside the US by US companies than Argentina trying to commit a scam like this.
The problem isn't that we're going to get horse beef, the problem is that we're going to get wormy beef. Which I think they should lean into rather than the horse angle. Horse meat is no less healthy than cow meat, but nobody wants to eat worms
Its actually most likely beef that has some levels Chloramphenicol in it from Argentina that was rejected initially by China. Which is far, far more terrifying.
I hope Aldi's grass fed beef is safe. And subsidizing Argentina and their failing system, liberated from quality assurance and other pesky democratic things. Understand the food safety laws in the usa and who forced federal action to protect, The People, from greedy companies that literally killed and blinded people.
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Impound4017@sh.itjust.works · 125 pts · 15h
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 28 pts · 14h
Go away beyondmeat. Potato is talking.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz · 80 pts · 16h
It sounds highly implausible that Argentina would export horse meat as beef to the US. Argentina is a huge beef producer and while they do produce some horse meat it's exported to the EU where there is an actual demand for horse meat and there it's labeled correctly as horse. Why would they export it to the US as mislabeled beef? I have a hard time believing this without evidence. Have I missed something or is this just an unsubstantiated rumour?
Edit: Apparently snopes did an article about this. They found no evidence of it being true https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/08/26/trump-ground-beef-wild-horses/
PineRune@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 16h
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 16h
Meat exports are very sensitive and even one small scandal can cause your entire meat exports to be banned all around the globe. It would be far too large of a risk to take even from a strictly economic perspective. In addition to this meat produced for export in Argentina is slaughtered in special export approved slaughterhouses in which the importing country can send inspectors and when it arrives in the importing country it's inspected again. One batch of Argentinian beef recently skipped through import inspection, hence the recall. It was not a failed inspection and nothing has been found to be wrong with the beef.
PineRune@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 15h
Keep in mind the US is basically getting rid of a bunch of their food and safety regulations right now. Producers and suppliers basically stopped inspecting a bunch of stuff the same day a bunch of regulations were pulled, and now a bunch of our food is already making people sick.
SolacefromSilence@fedia.io · 15 pts · 13h
A scandal like this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/food-and-drink/general/china-turned-back-an-argentine-beef-shipment-over-a-banned-antibiotic-and-america-is-about-to-import-more-beef/ar-AA2aMjnx
Malica@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 7h
đŸ‘†
ryper@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 11h
Wouldn't all that be a likely reason for the secrecy around where the meat is coming from?
decolo@piefed.social · 25 pts · 15h
It could be the meat from the national parks wild horses we are paying extortionate rates to be slaughtered and sold back to us
frunch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 11h
That was my thought as well
RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 11h
It also feel like some greasy shit this administration would be into
lath@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 16h
Does the EU want the full horse or just specific parts? If only specific parts, what happens to the remaining, unwanted ones?
If you mix the extra bits with regular stuff, you get to sell more regular stuff while getting rid of the extra bits cheaper.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 15h
It's rare and quite inefficient to export whole carcasses. So it would be exported as whole fine cuts and as mince. The organs would most probably go to pet food locally. The mince would not reach EU consumers as mince but rather as sausage or salami. In fact the salami I buy says it contains non eu horse meat on the label which is highly likely to be Argentinian horse.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 11h
Is there traditionally horse in salami? Is it good?
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 9h
Yeah I think it's good! Horse meat is often more expensive than beef so there is a reason they add it. It's kinda like really lean beef but without that beefy savoriness. Most salami is made with pork as the main ingredient but pure pork can often be a bit flat so by adding beef you can get more of a meat flavor in there. But beef often makes the salami taste beefy and savory in a bad way when combined with fatty pork, like a stew or something. Horse ads that meaty flavor without that distinctive beef savoriness. So you get a salami with a strong meat taste that's still very clean on the palate. I really enjoy it. I have seen more than one brand with horse but to be honest it's quite rare outside the top shelf products.
Is horse traditionally in salami? I don't actually know but I would imagine so. Horse meat taboo is strong in the UK and has been taboo in the UK for apparently hundreds of years and this has spread to other anglo countries. But in the rest of the EU this taboo doesn't really exist.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 9h
Nay
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 4h
Don't you mean Neigh?
zout@fedia.io · 5 pts · 15h
In the Netherlands, the kroketten and bitterballen you buy at a restaurant or bar usually contain about 20% of horse meat. Since this is just small bits and pieces, it can be about any part of the animal. In the past it was in a lot more products, but consumption of horse meat is on a decline.
ratel@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 16h
We usually don't eat the testicles.
YouTalkinToMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Horse steak is normally what is eaten, if it is not ground meat for low quality food. Horse steak is very nice, lean meat with great taste.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 8 pts · 10h
Dude its a joke.
Its funny because it references the mysterious origin of the meat.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 5 pts · 13h
Its just a meme conflaiting a bunch of horse shit from the idiots running the show.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8h
I mean Argentina has more beef than they know what to do with it. The quality of it is another matter.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 7h
Yeah. You can question the quality of beef for export, but Argentina has been a beef exporter for over a century so it has the quantity.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
Nah.
I'll trust a... squints. Threads screenshot of a meme over Snopes.
ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 3h
a few years ago, there was a small to medium scandal in europe: beef lasagna with argentinian meat was found to be actually ground horse meat.
while it was bad to mislabel the meat, to me the bigger tragedy was that they had to throw away all those products. i am sure selling them at a discount would be less of an economic damage for the corporations. at the same time students and not so well off people get a cheaper meal. either way, i really like horse meat - to thet extent that i am quite willing to pay extra for a nice cut.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 3h
That scandal in the EU was not argentinian horse meat. It was domestic EU horse meat from Romania and Poland. And the whole fraud did not even originate in those countries, it was meat middle men in the Netherlands and France who relabeled, once correctly labeled horse meat, to beef. That's what makes this whole current rumor so implausible. Mislabeling horse as beef in the import stage would require the inspections both in Argentina and the entry inspection in the US to both fail. It would be far easier for something like this to happen inside the US by US companies than Argentina trying to commit a scam like this.
blackberry28@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3h
Pretty sure it was like 10+ years ago, not just a few years. You know what was a few years ago? Covid. Jeez, time does fly.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 17h
Beef is made from plants. Cows eat plants.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 17h
I eat plants.
I am beef.
gray@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 16h
I am going to put this in my dating app bios. Thank you
Shartyfartblast@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 10h
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 7h
I choose to believe this is in the same canon as Cash Cab, and he just decided to test our meat's reasoning and recollection ability
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8h
Soak in a hot bath for a few hours and make beef stock.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
Funny you should mention that. I just found out I have a slight case of hemorrhoids and apparently that's just the treatment
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 4h
Instructions not clear. I know have a bathtub full of hot water with a cow in it.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 14 pts · 13h
"I am a machine that converts plants into beef."
-- Cows
Successful_Try543@feddit.org · 10 pts · 17h
So do horses.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17h
And people
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 16h
And lions via the transitive property.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 7 pts · 16h
Horse is beef.
Tja@programming.dev · 4 pts · 12h
QED
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 34 pts · 11h
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 7h
Sour_Kabos@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 12h
You can call anything beef. The question is whether you are lying and if it should be illegal in a sales context.
Yes and yes.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1h
You must have some opinions on oat milk
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org · 11 pts · 17h
We're never going back to the time when brands weren't trying to be one of us, are we
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 7h
The problem isn't that we're going to get horse beef, the problem is that we're going to get wormy beef. Which I think they should lean into rather than the horse angle. Horse meat is no less healthy than cow meat, but nobody wants to eat worms
hex123456@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4h
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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3h
Well they've already got plenty of ivermectin so maybe that's why they don't care
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4h
Its actually most likely beef that has some levels Chloramphenicol in it from Argentina that was rejected initially by China. Which is far, far more terrifying.
mo_lave@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 4h
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 15h
No you can't.
Next question.
jpablo68@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 6h
well cattle eats plants, and that is converted to beef... so...
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
Jeans?
jpablo68@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 4h
lol meant to write plants. let me edit that
cosmos8188@leminal.space · 5 pts · 9h
You know what, they got a point.
phx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4h
'tis this beef, good sir?
Neigh, I say. Neigh
Varesti@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 16h
Wow, I JUST watched this a few hours ago, too. https://youtu.be/cNnIZXO1E1s
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
I hope Aldi's grass fed beef is safe. And subsidizing Argentina and their failing system, liberated from quality assurance and other pesky democratic things. Understand the food safety laws in the usa and who forced federal action to protect, The People, from greedy companies that literally killed and blinded people.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 16h
Kazakh vibes