What are the books that radicalized you/ can radicalize you?

I was watching some video and there was mention of someone getting 1984. Upon which, a guy said that this one (one who got 1984) will end up being radicalized. I was already born into a very radical environment so no needs of books to radicalize me (although I am trying to be moderate and chill now)

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Cheese_man@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 21h

A People's History of the United States blew my mind wide open in high school.

gastroglizzy@piefed.social · 30 pts · 19h (3 replies)

1984

Animal Farm

The Jungle

Slaughterhouse Five

Brave New World

A Farewell to Arms

Blood Meridian

Guns, Germs, and Steel

To Kill A Mockingbird

Bullshit Jobs

Naive@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h (1 reply)

Is last one really the title of book?

ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 12h

Bullshit Jobs 

Yes! Its a 2018 book by David Graeber

Wiki link above to give a decent synopsis

Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 8h

I know I at least read Animal Farm and To Kill a Mockingbird when I was younger. I wonder how much those ended up influencing me. At the time I wouldn't have totally agreed with them, and I don't remember them having a particularly large influence, but they probably did affect me without me knowing. However, I also watched a lot of sci-fi and Star Trek, which probably had an even greater influence.

I wish there was a way to analyze our past and pick apart what effect different things had. It'd be really fun to know. I think when you consume something that you think really changes you, you were already primed for that change before. A lot of things lead up to that moment that you don't even recognize.

solrize@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 21h (2 replies)

Purely Functional Data Structures by Chris Okasaki. It took the blinders off and I became a convert to functional programming.

rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 20h (1 reply)

I like to joke about recursion and how it gets overused as a "good" programming practice, but I genuinely have a solid understanding of it and find it pretty intuitive... In OOP. I cannot wrap my head around tail recursion

Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2h

Tail recursion is just recursion? I mean who cares if it's the last thing done or not 😋 ?

Check out template meta programming if you want some recursion to blow your mind (like the variadic template).

JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 21h

The Grapes of Wrath

BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 14 pts · 15h (5 replies)

Just reading about history has done that to me. I don't really read fiction, but I read a ton of history, usually about one book per month or so. But seeing how the human history is just basically despair and misery, makes you a bit annoyed that we still haven't gotten any better.

HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 15h (1 reply)

I agree with this but its kinda also that we seem to be going backward big time. If you look at ww1 to ww2 and how shorta time span that was with the depression and then look back on the last quarter decade. its like. this is some bull trump.

BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 2 pts · 15h

Yeah it puts things in perspective. Sadly, lately the perspective has been "this is awful and things will become even more awful for the next decade or two at least. Probably more."

PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h (2 replies)

History books got names too!

3abas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h

You want something strictly relevant to all the messes we're in today?

The Hundred Years' War on Palestine and The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine are must reads. Round them off with Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History

Then read Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media and Manufacturing Consent (obligatory fuck pedo-associated and possibly pedo Chompsky).

Take a break from reality and read a quick fiction: The Trial.

If you're not radicalized by anger at this point, you're one of the baddies.

BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2h

Yeah I know. But I don't like to recommend just random topics, because when I do, I've noticed that people just go "oh wasn't interested in that" so I'd rather ask a bit about what topics and time periods people might be interested in, before recommending.

And to be clear, I don't really have a specific book or books in mind that radicalized me. It happened by reading tens, or a hundred, books in the period of 10-15 years. So in that I can't give a recommendation, other than, just start reading about stuff. Start with something you wanted to know, wanted to know more about or were interested in, then during reading that thing, note down anything else that comes to mind that might interest you. Either something the book mentioned or something that popped in your mind randomly. Then get a book about that thing. Repeat.

That's how I got sunk into this hole of reading about history. I just go "huh, what's that about?!" and proceed to find out. /r/askhistorians subreddit has a excellent reading list in their wiki, its sorted into periods and topics, easy to search. That's a good place to start.

DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 13h (3 replies)

I mean 1984 did a pretty good job radicalizing me against fascism. I consider it radicalization because turns out America really likes fascism so I guess I'm in the minority.

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h (2 replies)

But why then US fought Germany if US also likes fascism?

hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 2h (1 reply)

Read 1984 and you'll understand. Or any history of a region just after WWII with insane leaders.

It's not just a question of fascism or no fascism. It's that fascist leaders only want their fascism out there. Neighboring fascist counties usually hate each other because of the competition.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1h

Also we can spot evil in others. Its dangerous for us to recognise it and then realise its us too.

MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 17h

No Logo by Naomi Klein.

Unfortunately, it made me really against sweatshops and child labour. But most people want to hate stuff that come with very marginal costs, rether than things that force you to rethink how you live.

"I hate structural racism!"
"Like our clothes?"
"No, no...."

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 19h

The terms of service for the warranty on my first car after the first time I tried to use it.

jtrek@startrek.website · 7 pts · 17h (1 reply)

Just read people's history by Howard zinn and that'll radicalize a lot of people. It's just the rich fucking everyone over and over.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14h

And it continues to this day.

starlinguk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 18h (3 replies)

Why are we calling being an empathetic individual and being against fascism "being radicalised"?

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 12h

Because it is the correct use of the word. It is the american conservative propaganda machine which gave it the negative connotations.

Being antifascist matches at least two definitions of radical: "Favoring fundamental change, or change at the root cause of a matter" and "(slang) Excellent; awesome"

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h

well it is just you. Radicalized can entail many things. When I was in early to mid teens, I have read and listened to extremists and that made me a hardcore extremist in my religion.

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 17h

My question exactly

SpikedIguana@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 10h (4 replies)

The Bible

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h (3 replies)

For me, it was Quran who made me question the majority and gave me a questioning mind and now I am an atheist.

courval@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h (2 replies)

The book that reads at the very beginning something like "you must believe everything written in this book with blind fate" made you question things? Or maybe I picked up a tampered copy.. 🤔 I read that, put it back on the shelve and never picked it up again.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1h

For me, i was raised religious. Fully believed it all because I was a child and the idea that its all a con was way beyond my capabilities. Got a little older, family fell apart and religion stopped being shoved down my throat.

Decided to read the bible so I could understand the whole story instead of just being lectured about a couple of paragraphs plucked at random.

God creates everything and then straight up fireballs everyone to death in the first like 5 minutes of reading. Ive been taught since birth that God loves us. Been drilled into my head that God has a perfect plan. Chapter fucking one God says whoops and does a genocide.

I did not finish the book.

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h

yeah cuz I wanted to be a better Muslim and I dove deeper and deeper and that made me question my sect, then my religion, then all religions.

HubertManne@piefed.social · 7 pts · 15h (3 replies)

none. its honestly the right wing that is radicalizing me. I was a (ironically) and extreme agnostic. It was things like qanon which made me have to come to terms with the fact that humans will just believe and follow bullshit. Not just that but tea party and now maga. Its like an effing religion. Heck the 911 memorial stuff is kinda pissing me off because it lead to the patriot act and loss of rights and privacy. Every flag waver and republican at this point that opens their mouth is radicalizing me.

Lonewanderer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h (1 reply)

Where can I buy this book?

HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 9h

the book of none can be found with the real nowhere man. You can find him sitting in his nowhere land. Generally he is usually making all his nowhere plans for nobody.

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h

Well I grew up in right and far right environment.

ashenone@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 21h (1 reply)

The Dispossessed

CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 12h

This was the one I came to mention lol.

You cannot buy the revolution. You cannot make the revolution. You can only be the revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere.

Also from the introduction/short story The Day Before The Revolution:

My novel The Dispossessed is about a small worldful of people who call themselves Odonians. The name is taken from the founder of their society, Odo, who lived several generations before the time of the novel, and who therefore doesn’t get into the action — except implicitly, in that all the action started with her.

Odonianism is anarchism. Not the bomb-in-the-pocket stuff, which is terrorism, whatever name it tries to dignify itself with; not the social-Darwinist economic “libertarianism” of the far right; but anarchism. as prefigured in early Taoist thought, and expounded by Shelley and Kropotkin, Goldman and Goodman. Anarchism’s principal target is the authoritarian State (capitalist or socialist); its principal moral-practical theme is cooperation (solidarity, mutual aid). It is the most idealistic, and to me the most interesting, of all political theories.

chippydingo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h

There was a book which I picked up from my high-school library and it really did a number on the younger me. "Green Rage" was a book written by Chris Manes in the early 90s about radical environmentalism and it gave me a new perspective on things I had not been aware of at the time. While I never actually got directly involved with any environmentalist groups, I did start to better appreciate how our Capitalist system's need extract value at any cost from natural resources would have disastrous consequences.

Fast forward 35 years and I can't honestly say if the author's more dire predictions haven't come to pass since you simply can't trust corporate media to give unvarnished truth about anything. But I have seen and experienced things with my own eyes that give them credence. The fact that the title for this book came to mind immediately when I read this post/prompt says something about it's impact I think.

Octavio@piefed.social · 6 pts · 20h (1 reply)

The Jungle

hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 2h

Came here to make sure this was listed.

ryathal@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 12h

Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent

edg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h (1 reply)

The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson. I'd be shocked if every person who bought a copy isn't on a watchlist automatically.

CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 12h

I'm on a big Kim Stanley Robinson kick lately (currently reading Aurora) and I haven't heard of this one. Definitely picking that up lol

001Guy001@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 20h
  • The Shock Doctrine: The Rise Of Disaster Capitalism
  • The Divide: Global Inequality From Conquest To Free Markets
  • Anarchism And Its Aspirations / Anarchy Works
  • The ABCs Of Socialism / Socialism ... Seriously: A Brief Guide To Surviving The 21st Century
  • Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science And Gambles With Your Future
  • The Search For A Nonviolent Future (Michael N. Nagler)
  • Feminism For The 99%
  • Currently reading "Secret Affairs: Britain's Collusion With Radical Islam" And "Devil's Game: How The United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam"
Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 19h

These books opened my eyes.

From Freedom to Slavery: Rebirth of Tyranny in America by Gerry Spence

https://archive.org/details/fromfreedomtosl000spen/mode/1up

Quantum Psychology: How Brain Software Programs You & Your World

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/62558.Quantum_Psychology

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator by Ryan Holiday

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13542853-trust-me-i-m-lying

ContriteErudite@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 18h (1 reply)

Mother Night, Slaughterhouse Five - Kurt Vonnegut

Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert Heinlein (it does have some anti-lbgtq messaging, but if I recall correctly it's a single paragraph and Heinlein has known biases. The term "grok" came from this book; I'm not the only one who despises how it's been co-opted by Musk)

Makes Me Wanna Holler - Nathan McCall

The Emperor's New Mind - Roger Penrose (especially pertinent with the hype/propaganda coming from oligarchs surrounding AGI/ASI/the singularity)

The Demon Haunted World - Carl Sagan

Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 45m

The irony being that Musk doesn't seem to grok the meaning of the word grok.

rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 21h (2 replies)

Benjamin BlĂźmchen audio story series. Mayor and most business men are corrupt, main character regularly engages in political action like organizing protests for animal rights and another major character is a female journalist.

It's insidious because they're popular children's stories featuring a talking elephant as main character. Back before everyone lived on TikTok, even conservative parents bought it for their children. And I think even if you don't quite remember most of it when you get older, stories like these really do influence how you see the world.

Other than that, reading newspapers did most of the work (of course that only works if it's not all full-on fascist propaganda).

Naive@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h (1 reply)

Is it in english?

rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 14h

It's originally in German, IDK if there's a translation. Maybe the TV Shows/Movies got translations or at least subtitles? Though they don't seem to be that well-received.

Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 2h

Didn't really radicalise me but it's interesting that people had those ideas a long time ago too.

"The right to be lazy" (translation by me so it's worth what it's worth)

Malica@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 11h (1 reply)

Lord of the flies

lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 5h

I know Lord of the Flies is an allegory for the authors experience during and after WW2, but I do think its incredibly ironic the only real life example we have of the book turned out the complete opposite

lps2@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 11h

Island - Aldous Huxley

Less radicalized and more just opened my thinking about how society could be and how imperial forces and people's desires get in the way constantly. More of a 'this is why utopia can't happen' vs Brave New World's 'look at this dystopia'

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14h

A People's History of the United States

refreeze@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20h

The Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord.

aufbau161@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 20h

punk as f*uck

if you speak(/read) german and consider yourself vaguely punk i recommend it. if you know any (cis male) german speaking punks, please slap their face with this book (they either understand and accept it or don't, in which case they desperately need to read this book).

it showcases the german punk scene from a flinta* perspective, highlighting how sexism and abuse didn't stop people who actually stood for something better and why it took a long long time for the scene to improve.

isbn 978-3-95575-187-6 , i'm sure your local book dealer is able to order it for you.

crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 19h

Stranger In A Strange Land

SaneMartigan@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 18h

When things fall apart - Pema Chodron.

toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h (1 reply)

Pick a judeo-christian bible. Can't miss apparently.

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h

Well I grew up reading Quran. It was later I read Bibles. Apocryphal ones are more radical in conclusion.

neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 18h (1 reply)

Learning Perl, 2nd edition

palordrolap@fedia.io · 2 pts · 16h

Perl doesn't radicalise anyone, but it might turn them into a funny character.

n0p1lls@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 17h (1 reply)
  • Capital by Karl Marx
  • The Coming Insurrection by The Invisible Committee
  • Workers Councils by Anton Pannekoek
  • The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin
  • The ABC of Communist Anarchism by Alexander Berkman
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 12h

Can't believe this is the only mention of Conquest of Bread and Capital here. They are what turned my intuition of "the we've structured society seems unfair" into at least some basic understanding of the reality around me.

Although I think for most people (myself included) radicalization mostly comes from lived experiences rather than anything you read.

Stern@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h

Nickle and Dimed by Ehrenreich

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_and_Dimed

chunes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h

Check out Evasion and Days of War, Nights of Love by Crimethinc. That's how I got my start

Almacca@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 19h

Voltaire's Bastards by John Ralston Saul. It didn't necessarily radicalise me, but it certainly changed my view of the world.

AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 20h (1 reply)

I've never been radicalized by a book, or anything really.

Probably because I've never believed it to be The Truth.

Most books I've read that people are taking about here, my reaction was like 'well duh'. Like, I knew my teachers were lying to me since kindergarten and their thought their over simplified view of the world was very weird.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 20h

Coming up with a worldview on your own from all the little bits of data you have is hard. Most people take their given world model without question and ignore the inconsistencies.

hellabryanstyle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h

Birthrights by Richard Farson.

thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h

Benjamin’s essay “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction.” Related: he quotes Marinetti’s 1909 “Manifesto of Futurism” which is still frighteningly relevant.

yesman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h (1 reply)

I don't know about radicalized, but if you want to better understand race in America, "The Fire Next Time" by Baldwin is an excellent place to start.

Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h

yeah I am not American and we talk in terms of ethnicities, color, and castes. We don't even have a word for race in our language.

bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 1h

Stolen Continents

vane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37m

Little Brother 2008

and it's free

https://craphound.com/category/littlebrother/

poccalyps@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 21h (3 replies)

The Hundredth Monkey

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h (2 replies)

That's a pretty stupid book.

toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h (1 reply)

Explain more

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 19h

It's based on junk science and encourages cult behavior. There is no tipping point where ideas spread without being communicated. Western Buddhists are the worst at this that I've seen.