YES! I wish more people knew about RFC 3339. While I'm all for ISO 1601, it's a bit too loose in its requirements at times, and people often end up surprised that it's just not the format they picked...
Huh, I've never noticed how much bloat was in ISO 8601. I think when most people refer to it, we're specifically referring to the date (optionally with time) format that is shared with RFC 3339, namely 2023-11-22T20:00:18-05:00 (etc). And perhaps some fuzziness for what separates date and time.
I have autohotkey configured to insert the current date in ISO 8601 format into my filenames on keyboard shortcut for just this reason. So organized. So pure.
Download Autohotkey, and create a new script. Paste these shortcuts into the script and restart the script:
#NoEnv ; Recommended for performance and compatibility with future AutoHotkey releases.
; #Warn ; Enable warnings to assist with detecting common errors.
SendMode Input ; Recommended for new scripts due to its superior speed and reliability.
SetWorkingDir %A_ScriptDir% ; Ensures a consistent starting directory.
:R*?:ddd::
FormatTime, CurrentDateTime,, yyyy-MM-dd
SendInput %CurrentDateTime%
return
:R*?:dtt::
FormatTime, CurrentDateTime,, yyMMddHHmm
SendInput %CurrentDateTime%
Return
Now, if you type 'ddd' on your keyboard, the current date will be typed out, eg '2023-11-23'.
If you type 'dtt' tgen the datetime stamp will be typed out in YYMMDDhhmm format, eg 2311231012
There are so many cool things you van do with AHK to make your work more productive. For example, rather tgan typing your email address a billion times, add the shortcut:
::add1::your.email.address@domainname.com
And then you can type 'add1' and hit space, and your email address will be typed out in full. Of course, the string 'add1' can be whatever you want.
(This doesn't consider the separator)
Cyan - DD/MM/YY
Magenta - MM/DD/YY
Yellow - YY/MM/DD
The other ones are mixes of those two colors, so e.g. the US is MM/DD/YY and YY/MM/DD (apparently).
Also just noticed I didn't attribute this picture, I'll edit my comment.
We are ridiculously inconsistent in Canada. I've seen all 3 of the most popular formats here (2023-11-22, 11/22/2023, and 22/11/2023) in similarish amounts. Government forms seem to be increasingly using RFC 3339 dates, but even they aren't entirely onboard.
Lithuania is one of the Baltic States, conveniently squished between Russia & Belarus to the east and the sea to the west. Across that sea is Sweden. You'll usually see three countries be the parts of this set. Lithuania is the southernmost of these three.
Had a coworker who used MMDDYY with no dashes. Unless you knew it was very hard to figure out, since it could also just be a number that happened to be 6 digits, too. At least YYYY-MM-DD looks like a date generally.
"I can reuse this old function if I just monkey-patch this other class to work with it, no one will have any issues understanding what's going on"
Edit: Thought this was the programmerhumor community. For context:
A monkey-patch is when you write code that changes the behaviour of some completely different code when it is running, thus making its inner workings completely incomprehensible to the poor programmer using or reading your code.
DD/MM/YY and YY/MM/DD are the only acceptable ones IMO. Throwing a DD in between YY and MM is just weird since days move by faster so they should be at one of the ends and since YY moves the slowest it should be on the other end.
I think most Americans do. Or at least it was taught that way in school when I was growing up. Maybe it’s because of the way we speak dates, like “October 23rd” or “May 9th, 2005”.
Regardless, the only true way to write dates is YYYY-MM-DD.
If you use DD/MM/YYYY, dumb sorting algorithms will put all of the 1sts of every month together, all of the 2nds of every month together, etc. That doesn't seem very useful unless you're trying to identify monthly trends, which is fundamentally flawed as things like the number of days in the month or which day of the week a date falls on can significantly disrupt those trends.
With MM/DD/YY, the only issue is multiple years being grouped together. Which may be what you want, especially if the dates are indicating cumulative totals. Depending on the data structure, years are often sorted out separately anyways.
YYYY/MM/DD is definitely the best for sorting. However, the year is often the least important piece in data analysis. Because often the dataset is looking at either "this year" or "the last 12 months". So the user's eyes need to just ignore the first 5 characters, which is not very efficient.
If you're using a tool that knows days vs months vs years that can help, but you can run into compatibility issues when trying to move things around.
The ugly truth no one wants to admit on these conversations is that these formats are tools. Some are better suited to certain jobs than others.
Japan is YYYY-MM-DD, but when we talk about dates where a year is unneeded, we just cut it off which leaves it in the US standard format of MM-DD, much to the annoyance of non-US foreigners living here.
You only think it fits with how it's read in English because that's how you grew up saying it so it sounds natural to you.
Your experience is not universal, and is in fact, a minority.
It's how it is read in English (simplified) aka american english. Brittish english doesn't do this nonsense, the talk in the correct format (first of january etc.).
(I'm sorry if i made some mistakes, english is my second language)
I grew up with DD.MM.YYYY. But I think, MM/DD makes sense in everyday usage. You don’t often need to specify dates with year accuracy. “Jane’s prom is on 7th September” – it’s obvious which year is meant. Then it’s sensible to start with the larger unit, MM, instead of DD.
Even in writing you see that the year is always given like an afterthought: “7th September**,** 2023“.
for me, the section that changes the most goes last..
in a whole year, the YYYY never changes, the MM changes only 12 times.. i never implementing the day.. there's only so many possibilities i could have had for saved files in June. i just go straight to description
I like that for files, but not for written documents. When I label things I try to use the most intuitive/least confusing way I can think of: DD mmm YYYY. This comment is posted on 23 NOV 2023, for example.
I do prefer the abbreviated month with the yyyy mmm dd format. It makes things relatively easy to sort but you also don't have to worry about confusing others if you are referring to the 10th month or day for example.
Plus being American and having lived abroad every country has their bullshit. You just hear about America's shit because it has the most popular forms of mass media.
Liberia and Myanmar also use imperial units, but they're both starting to move towards metric in recent years so soon the US truly will be alone in that
Oh that's right, the spoken administrative context. Same in my dd-mm-yyyy county actually. Still, I find it less intuitive than the logical yyyy-mm-dd when understanding written text.
You're not wrong. through much trial and error in the 1990s I learned this was the most efficient & accurate & chronologically searchable way to date things.
Because in short, it's alphabetical. It will always be in order by year, then month, then day. Literally like how a clock goes HH:MM:SS it's the same thing as YY:MM:DD the right side ticks the fastest. It's in order by hour (year) then minute (month) then second (day). SAME SAME WHY NOT
Because for 99.99% of all situations, you'd already know what year and month it is, so the most readily available piece of information should be the day.
If you already know the year and month why write it. ISO or month day are the two most reasonable. You need to zoom in not give yourself a list of options and then randomly pick one later.
I'm an ISO 8601 guy but the MM/DD does make sense in American. We'll say Oct 20th for a date and then straight translate that to numbers 10/20. It makes more sense than counting in French. Ex. 60, 70, 80, 90
Have another go at this train of thought, mate... You're basically saying "MM/DD" is better at sorting chronologically than "DD/MM", since the year part is taken out of the equation, which is already the established consensus, and not ironical whatsoever. And the ISO standard is already to use YYYY-MM-DD, so that's the winner IMO, hands down. Japan is simply following that but using a slash as the delimiter.
When you search or do any stable sort, I would think you want your primary attribute to be the one with most finite values? That way you are front loading the pruning of the search space.
Only within the same century, which is an issue for those of us born last millennium (or managing systems from that time), and could be a real problem in 50-ish years when we could get the first duplicates.
Better to stick with YYYY-MM-DD for alphabetical sorting
Japan isn't on its own wavelength, most of East Asian does this, probably because they all decided they wanted to be like China: which was a government which governed more.
https://youtu.be/Mh5LY4Mz15o?t=1m7s
Nah. With binary, you can lose one hex digit AND the max year would be 2047 (11 bits year, 4 bits month, 5 bits day). What's not to like about hex anyway?
What I read was that it never happened in the old versions and it wasn't a bug in civ5, in that, it was a nod to the legend. But apparently Sid Meier said it didn't happen in the original games.
Most of Japanese hates the arbitary currender year resetting at each new emperor enthronrment. The conversion is ass and no one knows when it changes (bound to emperor's health) . Worst is its official year that govmt body accepts.
You are likely to only refer more than current era. If you're writing govmet grant application, renewing licence or certificate, chances are you mention events hapenned in previous era. You look up table for when the previous era started and ended, which era said year falls into, then convert for each year, each era. Extra minutes wasted every time instead of simply writing in Gregorian year.
Yes, they have two date systems in common use. It's only the year that changes though. And there's no way to confuse the two, usually. If you write "2023" instead of "令5" it's pretty obvious. I suppose there is a potential for confusion if one just writes a two-digit year though.
243 Comments
pelya@lemmy.world · 574 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD is the only acceptable date format, as commanded by ISO 8601.
clif@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 2y
"There shall be no other date formats before ISO8601. Remember this format and keep it as the system default"
Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml · 56 pts · 2y
Largest to smallest unit of time. It just makes sense.
cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de · 51 pts · 2y
Sorting by date would be so much better with yyyymmdd .
vale@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 2y
ISO 8601, while great, has too many formats. May I introduce RFC 3339 instead?
https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/
EnderMB@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
YES! I wish more people knew about RFC 3339. While I'm all for ISO 1601, it's a bit too loose in its requirements at times, and people often end up surprised that it's just not the format they picked...
sartalon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
That is what I love so much about standards: there are so many to choose from.
vale@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
https://xkcd.com/927/
CoderKat@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
Huh, I've never noticed how much bloat was in ISO 8601. I think when most people refer to it, we're specifically referring to the date (optionally with time) format that is shared with RFC 3339, namely 2023-11-22T20:00:18-05:00 (etc). And perhaps some fuzziness for what separates date and time.
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 24 pts · 2y
If you have years of files named similarly with the date, you will love the ISO standard and how it keeps things sorted and easy to read.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2y
I have autohotkey configured to insert the current date in ISO 8601 format into my filenames on keyboard shortcut for just this reason. So organized. So pure.
lukewarm_tauntaun@feddit.de · 9 pts · 2y
Holy shit teach me your ways how do I do that
Agent641@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Download Autohotkey, and create a new script. Paste these shortcuts into the script and restart the script:
Now, if you type 'ddd' on your keyboard, the current date will be typed out, eg '2023-11-23'.
If you type 'dtt' tgen the datetime stamp will be typed out in YYMMDDhhmm format, eg 2311231012
There are so many cool things you van do with AHK to make your work more productive. For example, rather tgan typing your email address a billion times, add the shortcut:
And then you can type 'add1' and hit space, and your email address will be typed out in full. Of course, the string 'add1' can be whatever you want.
lukewarm_tauntaun@feddit.de · 2 pts · 2y
I love you.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
💕
can@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
Are you familiar with AHK at all?
lukewarm_tauntaun@feddit.de · 2 pts · 2y
Nope not yet
mvirts@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Much date. Very logic.
Remavas@programming.dev · 23 pts · 2y
Glad I can count my own country, Lithuania, among the enlightened.
EDIT: Source of the picture: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Date_format_by_country_NEW.svg
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2y
Which color is which?
Remavas@programming.dev · 5 pts · 2y
(This doesn't consider the separator) Cyan - DD/MM/YY Magenta - MM/DD/YY Yellow - YY/MM/DD The other ones are mixes of those two colors, so e.g. the US is MM/DD/YY and YY/MM/DD (apparently).
Also just noticed I didn't attribute this picture, I'll edit my comment.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Canada threw up their hands and said, "Fuck it, I don't care, use whatever date format you like."
CoderKat@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 2y
We are ridiculously inconsistent in Canada. I've seen all 3 of the most popular formats here (2023-11-22, 11/22/2023, and 22/11/2023) in similarish amounts. Government forms seem to be increasingly using RFC 3339 dates, but even they aren't entirely onboard.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 2y
where's that? somewhere in africa?
/s because apparently it's not implied
velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2y
problematicPanther@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
I seem to have dropped my /s. But yes.
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Lithuania is one of the Baltic States, conveniently squished between Russia & Belarus to the east and the sea to the west. Across that sea is Sweden. You'll usually see three countries be the parts of this set. Lithuania is the southernmost of these three.
Default_Defect@midwest.social · 0 pts · 2y
Soo... yes to being in Africa?
/s
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 2y
Except the information is given least to most important, making verbal abbreviation difficult. Works great for file names though.
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 16 pts · 2y
There's this really cool shorthand where you drop the year because it seldom changes. It's called MM-DD
WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Yeah and if you need to know what year, you can just add it to the end like this MM-DD-YY.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 2y
MM-DD-YY is the worst abomination I've seen yet
12-04-08
good luck figuring out what that is
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2y
Wow it's my exact birthday. Good luck figuring out my age.
rchive@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Had a coworker who used MMDDYY with no dashes. Unless you knew it was very hard to figure out, since it could also just be a number that happened to be 6 digits, too. At least YYYY-MM-DD looks like a date generally.
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 2y
"I can reuse this old function if I just monkey-patch this other class to work with it, no one will have any issues understanding what's going on"
Edit: Thought this was the programmerhumor community. For context: A monkey-patch is when you write code that changes the behaviour of some completely different code when it is running, thus making its inner workings completely incomprehensible to the poor programmer using or reading your code.
geissi@feddit.de · 9 pts · 2y
For file names, absolutely.
When I’m asking what date it is I typically know the current year.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Well la-tee-dah, look at mister not-shitfaced-every-day here, bragging like a big man
geissi@feddit.de · 1 pts · 2y
I can lie under the table, puking my guts out and still remember the year.
You need more training, son.
Gregorech@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Is that why the military uses that format?
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 5 pts · 2y
Yep, you can easily sort it just because of the ordering. It's a full standard
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 2y
No. No you can't.
ODuffer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
In a GMP laboratory it's 22NOV2023 no ambiguity.
seth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
The truth. Amen
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch · 2 pts · 2y
It's alphabetically sortable too. Name backups like this.
ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca · 110 pts · 2y
DD/MM/YY and YY/MM/DD are the only acceptable ones IMO. Throwing a DD in between YY and MM is just weird since days move by faster so they should be at one of the ends and since YY moves the slowest it should be on the other end.
bzarb8ni@lemm.ee · 34 pts · 2y
I'm not kidding when I ask: are there really a lot of people using MM/DD/YYYY??
jwhardcastle@dmv.social · 111 pts · 2y
Almost 350 million of us morons down south of you.
bzarb8ni@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
🤣
Archlinuxforever@lemmy.3cm.us · -31 pts · 2y
Using a different date format that means the exact same thing anyway does not make you a moron.
biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 2y
My favourite thing is that files are sorted automatically by date if you use yyyy-mm-dd. Sometimes there are just practical reasons.
GingeyBook@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 2y
But there are a lot of other things that do 👈😎👈
CM400@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 2y
I think most Americans do. Or at least it was taught that way in school when I was growing up. Maybe it’s because of the way we speak dates, like “October 23rd” or “May 9th, 2005”.
Regardless, the only true way to write dates is YYYY-MM-DD.
bzarb8ni@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Thanks!
clif@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2y
Pretty much every American I've ever met. Dates on drivers license, bank info, etc - all in MM/DD/YYYY ... or even just MM/DD/YY
I regularly confuse people with YYYY-MM-DD
paultimate14@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
If you use DD/MM/YYYY, dumb sorting algorithms will put all of the 1sts of every month together, all of the 2nds of every month together, etc. That doesn't seem very useful unless you're trying to identify monthly trends, which is fundamentally flawed as things like the number of days in the month or which day of the week a date falls on can significantly disrupt those trends.
With MM/DD/YY, the only issue is multiple years being grouped together. Which may be what you want, especially if the dates are indicating cumulative totals. Depending on the data structure, years are often sorted out separately anyways.
YYYY/MM/DD is definitely the best for sorting. However, the year is often the least important piece in data analysis. Because often the dataset is looking at either "this year" or "the last 12 months". So the user's eyes need to just ignore the first 5 characters, which is not very efficient.
If you're using a tool that knows days vs months vs years that can help, but you can run into compatibility issues when trying to move things around.
The ugly truth no one wants to admit on these conversations is that these formats are tools. Some are better suited to certain jobs than others.
Igloojoe@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 2y
Should just burn it all down and do. MM/YY/DD
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 2y
I hope you mean YYYY, not just YY
tiredofsametab@kbin.social · 1 pts · 2y
Japan is YYYY-MM-DD, but when we talk about dates where a year is unneeded, we just cut it off which leaves it in the US standard format of MM-DD, much to the annoyance of non-US foreigners living here.
takeda@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 2y
The only reason they place month as first is because it is fits how dates are read in English, but that's not a good reason to keep that format.
HeckGazer@programming.dev · 8 pts · 2y
You only think it fits with how it's read in English because that's how you grew up saying it so it sounds natural to you. Your experience is not universal, and is in fact, a minority.
sobanto@feddit.de · 7 pts · 2y
It's how it is read in English (simplified) aka american english. Brittish english doesn't do this nonsense, the talk in the correct format (first of january etc.).
(I'm sorry if i made some mistakes, english is my second language)
bleistift2@feddit.de · -2 pts · 2y
I grew up with DD.MM.YYYY. But I think, MM/DD makes sense in everyday usage. You don’t often need to specify dates with year accuracy. “Jane’s prom is on 7th September” – it’s obvious which year is meant. Then it’s sensible to start with the larger unit, MM, instead of DD.
Even in writing you see that the year is always given like an afterthought: “7th September**,** 2023“.
bizzle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
So when you say it out loud you say 7th September, and not September 7th?
bleistift2@feddit.de · 13 pts · 2y
I say “The 7th of September” because I was taught British English in school.
ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2y
Americans still use it in rare cases, like the Fourth of July
TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml · 104 pts · 2y
ISO 8601 format is the best (YYYY-MM-DD).
jzb@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 2y
Came here to say this. I try to name all my docs in the YYYY-MM-DD-descriptive-name.ext format.
Buttons@programming.dev · 2 pts · 2y
I can see some advantages of that.
I'm American though, so YYYY-DD-MM is the best I can do.
mmagod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
for me, the section that changes the most goes last..
in a whole year, the YYYY never changes, the MM changes only 12 times.. i never implementing the day.. there's only so many possibilities i could have had for saved files in June. i just go straight to description
sukhmel@programming.dev · 4 pts · 2y
I hope that the comment you answer to was ironical. >!Otherwise there's no hope for us 😰!<
mmagod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
haha yeah. i just assumed they were kidding, but if not.. yikes!
dillydogg@lemmy.one · 14 pts · 2y
I like that for files, but not for written documents. When I label things I try to use the most intuitive/least confusing way I can think of: DD mmm YYYY. This comment is posted on 23 NOV 2023, for example.
CorrodedCranium@leminal.space · 5 pts · 2y
I do prefer the abbreviated month with the yyyy mmm dd format. It makes things relatively easy to sort but you also don't have to worry about confusing others if you are referring to the 10th month or day for example.
drdabbles@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
The only correct format. Least to most specific.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2y
Used to be my account name on a different website social media aggregator.
Teritz@feddit.de · 3 pts · 2y
For Excel 100%
DeadMartyr@lemmy.zip · 99 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD (honestly without dashes) is the only helpful format.
If you name all your files with this as a suffix then your files automatically sort versions of themselves in order when sorting by name.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 2y
ISO 8601 baby
Though it ought to be a prefix, not a suffix
numanair@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 2y
You mean as a prefix, right?
Shayreelz@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 2y
Their assumption is that the filename is the same otherwise e.g. myNotes20231122.txt
numanair@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2y
Oh I see, thanks. Good alternative to final3_release2.
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 2y
Came here to say this, I use DD.MM.YY in day-to-day stuff, but for files it's either YYYY_MM_DD or YY_MM_DD, the automatic ordering is beautiful
PilferJynx@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
Yeah this method is superior for digital filing. I can't imagine the sorting clusters I'd have to go through to find what I want any other way
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 2y
Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi · 54 pts · 2y
MMDDYY is just a mess. Otherwise… US problems, I don’t care…
okr765@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2y
Not to us burgerland citizens! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅💥💥
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 2y
Bald eagles aren't endangered anymore.
Plus being American and having lived abroad every country has their bullshit. You just hear about America's shit because it has the most popular forms of mass media.
Dumbasses are plentiful everywhere
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2y
This will surely keep me up at night.
Didn't know saying no country is perfect was such a controversial statement
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
The bald eagle's comeback has been a strong one — a testament to the power of the Endangered Species Act. Leading up to the delisting of the eagle on August 8, 2007, the Center released a web report detailing, state by state, the most comprehensive and current population trends of bald eagle breeding pairs. Our report generated hundreds of articles about the eagle in newspapers across the country
No one was denying anything.... all I said was essentially no country is perfect. A pretty level headed response in my opinion
Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi · 3 pts · 2y
The most American statement ever :DEdit: I am taking it back and admitting defeat. America != US. I am ashamed.
darkbaron202@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 2y
It actually makes sense when you put YYYY/MM/DD in filenames as they will be sorted pretty neat (ex: reports)
Thranduil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Yeah for a lot of files you probably would sort by year in the end
bitwolf@lemmy.one · 47 pts · 2y
It is arguably the best way to name large sets of indexed files on a filesystem.
dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee · 24 pts · 2y
I think that the best argument is that it makes sense when combined with hours minutes and seconds.
yyyy/MM/dd hh:mm:ss
Goes from large to small units.
MathiasTCK@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
It sorts
puppy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Japan's way, you mean?
bitwolf@lemmy.one · 1 pts · 2y
Yes, YYYY/MM/DD
morrowind@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 2y
Files already have computer readable dates that can be used to sort and organize them
bitwolf@lemmy.one · 3 pts · 2y
In certain instances that may not always be available.
One example I can think of is when browsing on a NAS.
Gabu@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 2y
This meme implies there's an equal battle between MM/DD/YY and DD/MM/YY, which is nonsense. Much like imperial units, only 'murica uses MM/DD/YY.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 5 pts · 2y
Oi guvnah, ow many stone chu weigh?
Gabu@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Only one, but it has my exact weight
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
If you look at the calendar, you'll see that we are not in 1900 anymore.
No one I know measures their own weight in imperial.
toastal@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
Talking about fuel efficiency in miles per liter 🤣
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 2y
I have 2 stones if that's what you're asking.
ehsan301@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
But 'murica is big.
ElBarto@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
Only slightly bigger than Australia and Western Australia is nearly twice the size of Texas..
jamhandy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2y
When talking about cultural mindshare I'd argue that the quantity of people matters more than the space they've been packed into
emptiestplace@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Mercator would like a word.
ElBarto@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
Mercator can say whatever it wants, it's not involved in this discussion.
SqueezeMeMacaroni@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 2y
Liberia and Myanmar also use imperial units, but they're both starting to move towards metric in recent years so soon the US truly will be alone in that
disconnectikacio@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD in Hungary too, that us shit is totally non logical, i cant get used to it
rdri@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
This is literally the most logical method to name a date in text.
joneskind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
In what text?
In French we say “14 juillet 1789”
We don’t even say “nth day of”
rdri@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2y
In a text like "the research started at 2003-01-24", or pretty much in any other text where you need to convey all 3 elements.
I bet you also don't say "14 07 1789", because that's what MM format means.
joneskind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
You bet wrong
We write AND say “La Révolution a démarré le 14/07/1789” or “La Révolution à démarré le 14 juillet 1789”
Spoken numbered month are usually used in an administrative context, to ease the work of our contact.
rdri@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Oh that's right, the spoken administrative context. Same in my dd-mm-yyyy county actually. Still, I find it less intuitive than the logical yyyy-mm-dd when understanding written text.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
Fuckin wait until you hear how many feet are in a mile. You all should've waterboarded us harder while we were a young country.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
FIvE tOMaToeS
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
sukhmel@programming.dev · 2 pts · 2y
So no more than 10 thousands of Swedes may get an SSN at the same day (or be born at the same day even 🤔)?
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
lichtmetzger@feddit.de · 5 pts · 2y
It's very easy to sort by this format, makes perfect sense.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2y
Easier to sort by YYYY-MM-DD than MM-DD-YYYY tho
lichtmetzger@feddit.de · 4 pts · 2y
Dammit, I misread here. Of course, the US format is terrible.
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com · 42 pts · 2y
When you're naming a file, you can't use anything else.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2y
You're not wrong. through much trial and error in the 1990s I learned this was the most efficient & accurate & chronologically searchable way to date things.
Goldmaster@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 2y
Iso date format. Anything to do with photos is best to have in this format at the start of the filename.
qwerty_bastard@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 2y
Fixt.
CheeseToastie@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
It also means that by default it'll sort by newest
baatliwala@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD for everything digital, DD-MM-YYYY for everything IRL.
lemmiter@lemm.ee · 37 pts · 2y
I propose the use of MYDYDM format. So, October 15, 2023 will be written as 121350. Just to make it as confusing as possible.
CouncilOfFriends@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 2y
And then convert that to hexadecimal, making it 1DA06
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 2y
Welp. I need a bath now.
Engywuck@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
Amazing
sukhmel@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2y
We're also unduly forgetting about truly little endian date format: DD/MM/YYYY, for instance 52/11/3202 for this Saturday
Also we could just sort the numbers and omit leading zeroes, that way we can save some space, the same date would be 1122235
UserNotFound@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD for files, DD-MM-YYYY for normal use
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Wtf why
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 34 pts · 2y
Agreed, YYYY-MM-DD should be normal use
noobnarski@feddit.de · 12 pts · 2y
So its possible to properly sort by date?
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
A proper date sort would be YYYYMMDD
Kryptenx@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 2y
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Because in short, it's alphabetical. It will always be in order by year, then month, then day. Literally like how a clock goes HH:MM:SS it's the same thing as YY:MM:DD the right side ticks the fastest. It's in order by hour (year) then minute (month) then second (day). SAME SAME WHY NOT
Gabu@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Because for 99.99% of all situations, you'd already know what year and month it is, so the most readily available piece of information should be the day.
Zanz@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2y
If you already know the year and month why write it. ISO or month day are the two most reasonable. You need to zoom in not give yourself a list of options and then randomly pick one later.
Spoilt@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 2y
YYYYMMDD for files
DDDD DD for normal use
Engywuck@lemm.ee · 31 pts · 2y
TBH, Japanese format makes sense when you use it to name files/directories, as sorting by "name" is equivalenti to sorting by "last modified".
dtrain@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 2y
Love typos that force me to read comments with an Italian accent
Engywuck@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 2y
I'm actually italian, lol, but that was a genuine typo.
joneskind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Free upvotes for both of you
pingveno@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2y
Until you need to work across centuries. Then it's eating paste level.
AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl · 28 pts · 2y
Japan I can get behind but MM/dd/yyyy is just evil, why would you sandwich days between months and years? You monster
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2y
I'm an ISO 8601 guy but the MM/DD does make sense in American. We'll say Oct 20th for a date and then straight translate that to numbers 10/20. It makes more sense than counting in French. Ex. 60, 70, 80, 90
Littleborat@feddit.de · 13 pts · 2y
Counting in French is an incredibly low benchmark. Nice try!
First@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2y
Prepare your butthole for the Danish spoken number system, where they express integers in fractions
Littleborat@feddit.de · 2 pts · 2y
They should just introduce a new system. Noone likes five halves of twenty for fifty. I guarantee it.
Just indroduce English numbers, the end.
15liam20@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
It makes more sense than Monty Python.
CorrodedCranium@leminal.space · 0 pts · 2y
The only reason I could see is if you were speaking it. September 18th 2012 for example might sound a bit better than 18 September 2012.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 2y
Japan wins this one.
ZILtoid1991@kbin.social · 26 pts · 2y
2023年12月22日
kpw@kbin.social · 9 pts · 2y
令和5年12月22日
stebo02@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 2y
令和五年十二月二十二日
Sanyanov@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Funny that only in full Chinese (or Japanese, since 令和 represents a new emperor era in Japan?) I noticed the month is December.
It's 22nd of November, folks
stebo02@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 2y
yeah i realised after, I guess some people are just really excited about Christmas
doomermusic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
I like that this includes 2 of the 4 numbers that i can understand from japanese (chinese numerals?)
kamen@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 2y
DD/MM for readability, YYYY/MM/DD for alphabetical sorting that's also chronological.
Clbull@lemmy.world · -33 pts · 2y
Ironically, MM/DD/YYYY works better for chronological sorting than DD/MM/YYYY, so long as you don't go between years.
Didn't think I'd be saying this but the Americans have an edge over us Brits.
kamen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2y
By this logic one might say that DD/MM/YYYY works for alphabetical chronological sort if you don't go between months...
victorz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y
Have another go at this train of thought, mate... You're basically saying "MM/DD" is better at sorting chronologically than "DD/MM", since the year part is taken out of the equation, which is already the established consensus, and not ironical whatsoever. And the ISO standard is already to use YYYY-MM-DD, so that's the winner IMO, hands down. Japan is simply following that but using a slash as the delimiter.
sukhmel@programming.dev · 8 pts · 2y
Excuse me, sir, but WAT?
Clbull@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
What I said, MM/DD/YYYY is less flawed than DD/MM/YYYY for chronological sorting.
Asian YYYYMMDD way is the best way for computing.., but the American way at least preserves the month and day structure.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
When you search or do any stable sort, I would think you want your primary attribute to be the one with most finite values? That way you are front loading the pruning of the search space.
So it's actually on favor of Japanese style
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 2y
What about YY/DD/MM?
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 2y
Oh fuck off. ;)
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 2y
I'll fuck of when it's 2024/22/11.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Hey. If you use your format, then you won't be able to celebrate the new year on 123123, 233112 just doesn't have the same ring to it
rustyricotta@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 2y
If that one doesn't tickle you, we do have more options to explore like MM/YY/DD or DD/YY/MM
Hell, we even have options like MDY/MDY
Sanyanov@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
DD/YY/MM is the devil incarnate
EPBJ@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2y
May I chime in with a DD MMM YYYY as in 22 NOV 2023
runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 2y
I chime in with a "haven't you people ever heard of... DDMMMYYY?"
Ddhuud@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
23Nov023?
Spoilt@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 2y
DDDMMMYYY
ThuNov023
raino@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2y
23NovNineteen ninety eight
DahGangalang@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 2y
The real superior option (except when naming files)
neutron@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 2y
Its the same for all East Asian countries as well, but I guess slapping
JAPANon it means fast upvotes, like that"Place, Japan"meme.15liam20@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
I can't speak for everyone but I see something Japanese then I upvote it, doesn't matter what it is.
Sushi, Bullet train, Bonsai, Anime, Bukkake, Haiku
spencer@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 2y
Hey… it sorts properly alphabetically
nightdice@feddit.de · 11 pts · 2y
Only within the same century, which is an issue for those of us born last millennium (or managing systems from that time), and could be a real problem in 50-ish years when we could get the first duplicates.
Better to stick with YYYY-MM-DD for alphabetical sorting
bleistift2@feddit.de · -3 pts · 2y
*ASCIIbetically. The alphabet doesn’t know digits.
solidsnake2085@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y
Military be like 23/NOV/2023
CCF_100@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 2y
SQL HAS ENTETED THE CHAT;
Hoomod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Why would you save dates as a date format when you can save them as an int or string and make calculations more complicated
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y
Japan isn't on its own wavelength, most of East Asian does this, probably because they all decided they wanted to be like China: which was a government which governed more. https://youtu.be/Mh5LY4Mz15o?t=1m7s
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Rolando@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
The right answer is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
camelbeard@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Hey dude do you know what time it is?
Sure, it's just about 1700671157
Uh thanks...
Rolando@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I think the correct response is "1". If something went wrong, you'd respond "0".
ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social · 9 pts · 2y
It makes sense to either go general to specific or specific to general. MM-DD-YYYY is neither.
Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 2y
pennomi@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
r00ty@kbin.life · 9 pts · 2y
The UK driving licence has birthdate as YMMDDY in the licence number. Totally uncrackable encryption.
bappity@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
YY/MM/DD SUPREMACY
doctorspike@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
TIL that I'm Japanese
r00ty@kbin.life · 7 pts · 2y
How about 0xYYYMDD or 0xYYYYMDD if you need years after 4095 for some reason.
Today is 0x7e7b16
takeda@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Congrats, you made it even less practical. Why not make it binary if that's the goal?
r00ty@kbin.life · 2 pts · 2y
Nah. With binary, you can lose one hex digit AND the max year would be 2047 (11 bits year, 4 bits month, 5 bits day). What's not to like about hex anyway?
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
r00ty@kbin.life · 2 pts · 2y
Yes, although isn't that an urban legend? Pretty sure I read that it was.
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
r00ty@kbin.life · 2 pts · 2y
What I read was that it never happened in the old versions and it wasn't a bug in civ5, in that, it was a nod to the legend. But apparently Sid Meier said it didn't happen in the original games.
EDIT: Here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi
Algaroth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
exixx@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
There is of course a relevant xkcd page
inconel@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 2y
Reiwa era enters the chat
Most of Japanese hates the arbitary currender year resetting at each new emperor enthronrment. The conversion is ass and no one knows when it changes (bound to emperor's health) . Worst is its official year that govmt body accepts.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Real Estate Institute of Western Australia?
nuzkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
What do you mean you can't translate instantly between era year and Gregorian year?
inconel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2y
You are likely to only refer more than current era. If you're writing govmet grant application, renewing licence or certificate, chances are you mention events hapenned in previous era. You look up table for when the previous era started and ended, which era said year falls into, then convert for each year, each era. Extra minutes wasted every time instead of simply writing in Gregorian year.
liv@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 2y
China does this too. I love getting files in this format.
darq@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y
Yeah but half the time is actually: EYY/MM/DD. Like this year is 令5/MM/DD.
And some years have two values, 2019 was both 平31, from 01/01 until 04/30, then 令1 from 05/01 onwards.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Wat? Like their alphabet, do the Japanese have some double system?
China does this normally. Either YYYY.MM.DD OR YYYY年MM月DD日
darq@kbin.social · 3 pts · 2y
Yes, they have two date systems in common use. It's only the year that changes though. And there's no way to confuse the two, usually. If you write "2023" instead of "令5" it's pretty obvious. I suppose there is a potential for confusion if one just writes a two-digit year though.
kplaceholder@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Is the kanji the name of the period the year belongs to or something? That looks interesting. Where can I find out more?
praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2y
darq@kbin.social · 2 pts · 2y
Yup, it's a single character from the name of the era, and the era changes every time the emperor does.
sanpo@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2y
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_era_name
kpw@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y
Don't ask how they count the years tho
praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2y
STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Tbf Japan's system still makes more sense than having the month first. The month is the middle number so it makes no sense having that first
EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Eh November 23rd 2023 11/23/2023 It's just in the order we talk
Svenare@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
You talk that way because of how it's written. ::: spoiler spoiler Eh 23rd of November 23/11/23 it's just the order we talk :::
EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Got me there lol
kandoh@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 2y
Taste nippon formatting, gaigin
Gabu@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
The fuck is a gaigin, gaikokujin?
onlooker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
They were obviously referring to foreign banks, duh.
AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 2y
Japan I can get behind but MM/dd/yyyy is just evil, why would you sandwich days between months and years? You monster
fosforus@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 2y
wearling0600@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
ISO8601 gang!
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
What are the T and the Z doing?
fosforus@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 2y
pedrogaseoso@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
T says "hey, the following is time", and Z says "hey, the previous time is in UTC"
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Tis to delimit the date from the time, and theZis to delimit the minutes from the timezone info (omitted in the example above).Jezebelley@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2y
AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 2y
Japan I can get behind but MM/dd/yyyy is just evil, why would you sandwich days between months and years? You monster
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
Pretty f'd up we can't all even agree on this. Between this and DST, humanity is just pretty hopeless.
Resol@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Yep, today is 2023, November 22.
Someone should make this an alternative date format in English, it looks and works really well.
BaronDoggystyleVonWoof@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
YYYY-MM-DD should be the main everywhere.
Manzas@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 1y
It is in Lithuania
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
119 doesent feel the same
jwt@programming.dev · 2 pts · 2y
"Steel Beams Can't Melt Jet Fuel."
wait... it actually makes sense this way
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2y
Canada does that
RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 2y
These formats are overrated.
MM/YYYY/DDis clearly better.Mobiuthuselah@lemm.ee · -1 pts · 2y
Isn't Japanese read from right to left?
Patawagon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Japan reads back to front
pingveno@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
To nitpick, it reads from front to back. It just has a different concept of front and back from the West.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
No that's Arabic
ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2y
Japanese and Chinese were read right-to-left until 20th century.