Reilly: Dary, do you know how many dudes are jerking off to your girlfriend right now? Yew!
Jonesy: Wait, I actually know the answer. Yew. Sixteen point one thousand. Yew!
I love to poke at people's conception of Western with these questions:
Is New Zealand Western?
Is Japan Western?
Is Brazil Western?
Is South Africa Western?
Is Kenya Western?
Is Lebanon Western?
Is Israel Western?
Is Hungary Western?
Is Finland Western?
Is Russia Western?
Is Armenia Western?
If your nation was within NATO, it's likely western
If after the collapse of the USSR, your nation joined EU, it's likely western
And anything outside this category would be third world or eastern (Russia, China, Vietnam)
I realise you were just offering a hueristic, but Ironically all of the three countries you listed were Second World nations. (I've also never heard Eastern used in a similar way to Western in the way you used it at the end there before.)
That's because east-west is not based on the region, it's based on cultural aspects, along with a few other things like how people communicate. This is why Australia is western as it has a western culture. So, the whole cold war NATO thing is not 100% accurate, but defining first, second, and third world is since those are defined by political ideologies.
Well yes, First (Cold War era capitalists), Second (Communist, Marxist, and Maoist nations), and Third World (non-aligned and all the rest of them) are all clearly defined.
Western is more nebulous, which is why I like to push back at it. Each person's idea of "Western" tends to be a little different.
If we're taking the cultural root then Brazil, Israel and Lebanon make a nice test cases.
Edit: oh, you're making the case that Western = First World Nations. That's a fair and valid short cut, with Japan/South Korea/RoC, and various oost-Communist states in Europe.
That's something I've never understood about German or Russian. Both languages have letters that make the English w sound yet they have trouble with it? It's not like the "th" sound which doesn't exist in German so it makes no sense to me.
If you can pronounce the sound why can't you pronounce it for w's??
The German w sounds like the English v, while the German v sounds like the English (and German) f.
IPA of the German word "wir": /viːɐ̯/
IPA of the English word "with": /wɪθ/
I actually had to look it up, but in German the /w/ sound doesn't really exist? In some dialects the "qu" string is pronounced as /kw/ [according to Wikipedia] but in most it's pronounced as /kv/ - at least that's how I'd pronounce it and I'm mostly talking in Standard High German.
Double V (pronounced double vé, so it’s double you in English).
www is "double vé double vé double vé" in France, but often said "vévévé" in Switzerland. I believe that’s coming from the German speaking part of the country and adapted to French language.
In Swedish the letter w is called "dubbel v", apart from when spelling URLs, then we just say something like "ve, ve, ve, punkt, de, änn, punkt, äss, e" if we wanted to say the URL "www.dn.se".
I'd probably have transcribed the letter pronunciation as 've, ve, ve, punkt, de, en, punkt, ess e'.
Just goes to show you that 'en' doesn't even follow the normal pronunciation rules of Swedish, unless we're talking about the tree, in which case it does.
It is also for those who grew up with the language. If I have no spellcheck, I sometimes just have to write it both ways and see which way feels 'right'.
True, sometimes it's really simple ones, too. And sometimes I do spell it correctly but when I reread it I start to doubt myself because the word looks weird. Even though I did spell it correctly.
Because we say ‘double ewe’ and ‘dooblay vee’ and I find it unconscionable that we Canadians are forced to speak based on what font we are speaking in.
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nokturne213@sopuli.xyz · 37 pts · 1y
I am fancy, so I say double ewe.
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
🐑🐑
shoulderoforion@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1y
"I love sheep" ~ Richie Cunningham
spankmonkey@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Double yew.
Pumafred9@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Reilly: Dary, do you know how many dudes are jerking off to your girlfriend right now? Yew! Jonesy: Wait, I actually know the answer. Yew. Sixteen point one thousand. Yew!
Aatube@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 1y
ew
LastoftheDinosaurs@reddthat.com · 33 pts · 1y
otp@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 1y
Canadians here.
It's "double-you", but if spoken quickly, it can become "dub-you"
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
Non native speaker, and both of those hold true for me as well. Unless I'm referencing a hostname with www in it; then I just say dub-dub-dub
otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
I still stick the yous in there, haha
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
I used to, until I realized Moxie Marlinspike doesn't, so I stopped for easier pronounciation.
ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk · 22 pts · 1y
“Double U”.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Or if I'm saying it fast, as in "www.google.com", it's "dub-you"
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 1y
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y
George Dubya
orcrist@lemm.ee · 18 pts · 1y
EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y
Apparently people who speak English
The French, Polish, Dutch, etc. are now reclassified as Asians
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 1y
I love to poke at people's conception of Western with these questions:
Is New Zealand Western?
Is Japan Western?
Is Brazil Western?
Is South Africa Western?
Is Kenya Western?
Is Lebanon Western?
Is Israel Western?
Is Hungary Western?
Is Finland Western?
Is Russia Western?
Is Armenia Western?
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1y
If your nation was within NATO, it's likely western If after the collapse of the USSR, your nation joined EU, it's likely western And anything outside this category would be third world or eastern (Russia, China, Vietnam)
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 1y
I realise you were just offering a hueristic, but Ironically all of the three countries you listed were Second World nations. (I've also never heard Eastern used in a similar way to Western in the way you used it at the end there before.)
Australia isn't Western then, but Romania is?
killabeezio@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
That's because east-west is not based on the region, it's based on cultural aspects, along with a few other things like how people communicate. This is why Australia is western as it has a western culture. So, the whole cold war NATO thing is not 100% accurate, but defining first, second, and third world is since those are defined by political ideologies.
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 1y
Well yes, First (Cold War era capitalists), Second (Communist, Marxist, and Maoist nations), and Third World (non-aligned and all the rest of them) are all clearly defined.
Western is more nebulous, which is why I like to push back at it. Each person's idea of "Western" tends to be a little different.
If we're taking the cultural root then Brazil, Israel and Lebanon make a nice test cases.
Edit: oh, you're making the case that Western = First World Nations. That's a fair and valid short cut, with Japan/South Korea/RoC, and various oost-Communist states in Europe.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1y
Wait was Australia not in NATO? oh shit
superduperpirate@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
Normal conversational speed: dubya
Enunciating: double you
Need to be unambiguous: whiskey
MethodicalSpark@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
danciestlobster@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
Tell me you are from the south without telling me you are from the south
stinky@redlemmy.com · 15 pts · 1y
When talking about the letter of the alphabet, I say "double u"
When that letter occurs in a word, it's pronounced with pursed lips and full throated vowel sound like in "water"
andrewta@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Doubleyou
Corno@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 1y
"Dubble-you"
Not saying where I'm from.
Maggoty@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Isn't that a maple leaf though?
mcmodknower@programming.dev · 10 pts · 1y
in english: double you in german: ve (german e, idk how to tell it to someone only knowing english)
clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
German: sounds like “vay”
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
That's something I've never understood about German or Russian. Both languages have letters that make the English w sound yet they have trouble with it? It's not like the "th" sound which doesn't exist in German so it makes no sense to me.
If you can pronounce the sound why can't you pronounce it for w's??
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1y
The German w sounds like the English v, while the German v sounds like the English (and German) f.
IPA of the German word "wir": /viːɐ̯/
IPA of the English word "with": /wɪθ/
I actually had to look it up, but in German the /w/ sound doesn't really exist? In some dialects the "qu" string is pronounced as /kw/ [according to Wikipedia] but in most it's pronounced as /kv/ - at least that's how I'd pronounce it and I'm mostly talking in Standard High German.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Way to complicated, just say "we" with the w from way and the e from hell like we Germans do.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 1y
Another great example of our German efficiency! Warum zur Hölle soll das ein Doppel-V sein? Habt's ihr alle Lack gesoffen?
jxk@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Aber "fau" macht Sinn ja?
Jumi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Ja, genauso wie Ypsilon
tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
"ve"
Skunk@jlai.lu · 9 pts · 1y
Double V (pronounced double vé, so it’s double you in English).
www is "double vé double vé double vé" in France, but often said "vévévé" in Switzerland. I believe that’s coming from the German speaking part of the country and adapted to French language.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf · 6 pts · 1y
Same in Denmark. I think it’s only English that’s weirdly pronouncing it as “double you”, even though the letter “W” is clearly two V’s 😁
ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
When handwritten in English it's typically the curvier U shape.
Ledivin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Funny, opposite shortening in English - "double you double you double you" often becomes "dubdubdub"
stoy@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 1y
In Swedish the letter w is called "dubbel v", apart from when spelling URLs, then we just say something like "ve, ve, ve, punkt, de, änn, punkt, äss, e" if we wanted to say the URL "www.dn.se".
mumblerfish@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
The "äss" phonetic spelling will really help the english speakers reading it not pronounce it as "ass". Love it.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y
Hehe, I didn't even consider that (:
pmk@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 1y
In sweden we have lots of äss.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
I'd probably have transcribed the letter pronunciation as 've, ve, ve, punkt, de, en, punkt, ess e'.
Just goes to show you that 'en' doesn't even follow the normal pronunciation rules of Swedish, unless we're talking about the tree, in which case it does.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y
I thought about that but "en" is pronounced differently from "änn", and we have the word "äss" from a deck of cards.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
I had to double-check, because I've only ever used the spelling "Ess". Turns out both variants are correct.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
Kansan here. It's pronounced "double-you," but my mouth tends to skip past the L so it sounds more like "dub-you" or "dub-yə"
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Double you
darthelmet@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
It probably depends on the accent, but we say "Double U".
med@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
How someone is pronouncing W is actually a good way to guess where the speaker is from, or where the person that taurht them learned english.
double you for british/american accents
dubba you for some american accents
Dablu or dabloo is a clear indication that the speaker is not a naitive western english speaker, usually indicating indian for the speaker.
double v (often pronounced as double we) usually points towards somewhere near germany/holland/belgium
I've never heard anyone say just dub, curious if anyone has?
Edit: I lied. W pronounced 'dub' is only ever used to indicate a 'win'. e.g. 'Took the dub'
AA5B@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Just dub-dub-dub for a url
proudblond@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Or in school names, like U Dub for University of Washington.
donuts@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
As a Dutchie, we pronounce W as "Weigh" or "Way". No double nonsense.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social · 2 pts · 1y
People call Buffalo Wild Wings B-Dubs
Kolanaki@yiffit.net · 8 pts · 1y
I'm a silly lil guy so I pronounce it "Wubble Wu" for fun.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y
I'm American, fwiw. Formally I say "double you," informally I say "dub."
Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
jmj88@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
Double you.
Infrapink@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y
In Irish it's called wae.
P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br · 6 pts · 1y
Panda@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 1y
In Dutch we pronounce it like "way". It's much shorter than double U.
sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
But we make up for that with griekse y, korte ei and lange ij! All pronounced [ɛi], similar to 'eye'.
Panda@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1y
That's true! I'm honestly not sure why we need to have both ei and ij. Must be difficult for people learning the language.
Scribbd@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1y
It is also for those who grew up with the language. If I have no spellcheck, I sometimes just have to write it both ways and see which way feels 'right'.
Panda@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1y
True, sometimes it's really simple ones, too. And sometimes I do spell it correctly but when I reread it I start to doubt myself because the word looks weird. Even though I did spell it correctly.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
"Dibby dubs"
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I pronounce ‘M’ but upside down.
Because we say ‘double ewe’ and ‘dooblay vee’ and I find it unconscionable that we Canadians are forced to speak based on what font we are speaking in.
tech_cake@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y
I've always wondered why it's not double v, but I say double you
MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I looked into it once before, the short answer is because the letter predates the distinction between "u" and "v".
Edit: Here's a comment I made a while ago on the same topic with a little more information: https://lemmy.world/comment/10659648
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
In French, it is!
Aksamit@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1y
I think it's because of how the letter is written in cursive that we call it 'double u'.
JakenVeina@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y
There's also "dubyuh" that's fairly common. Hell, we had a president that pronounced it that way.
aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 1y
DarkDiamondK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Dubba you
kreliac@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I speak spanish so for me is “doble u”
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
In my Carolina drawl it comes out as "dubbayew."
dsilverz@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1y
Classy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
I heard a guy call it a "we" and I liked that. Such as:
"ay-we-ee" (A-W-E)
7uWqKj@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Germans, being efficient, just call it "veh"
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Duh be you
confuser@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y
I'm blue
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1y
"double you" formally or "doubleya" informally.
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1y
"Dubba-you" is my informal; "dubbya" if I'm throwing an exaggerated southern accent
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1y
Double-you, dubya, or just dubs.
Femcowboy@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
TwanHE@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Way
WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
dabulu
maymay@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
dvojni v
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Sometimes I'll say "dub you" informally.
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 1y
W, pronounced as in a couple of lesbian sheep.
CaptSatelliteJack@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1y
I very strongly prefer dub, but no one I say it to gets it unless I explain it to them.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y
Vee