Can I lose a beer belly working out one day a week?

Edit: I don't drink alcohol, it's just the best way to describe it. From comments I'll be going on a low carb diet, thank you all.

Explanation: male, 38, 130 pounds. Skinny, low muscle mass but have a beer keg belly.

My day is 7am wake up. Get kids to school. Work until 5. Get kids from school. Cook, shower and then I'm exhausted AF.

I'm semi fit? I'm a mechanic professionally and spring til summer I mountain bike regularly. So my calves are monsters.

But would like.. basic at home sit ups. Push ups etc like on a Saturday, would that help at all?

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kava@lemmy.world · 146 pts · 1y (7 replies)

if you stick to your workouts and train to failure, your muscles will grow.

however to eliminate fat, you don't exercise. you eat less. when you are eating below caloric maintenance, your body makes up the difference in fat. you can't control where the fat comes from. you just have to maintain that for a long time and it'll go away. everyone stores fat differently. some in legs, some in stomach, etc.

but you cannot exercise away body fat. it's like 80/20 diet exercise

AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 58 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Personal anecdote here: I run 40km/week so that I don't have to be so picky with my diet. I'm offsetting about 2,400cal from my weekly intake.

That said, I need to be careful sometimes because my appetite can surge and I can easily break even and even surpass being in a deficit. Its just a matter of being aware of how much I'm eating in general and adapting to appetite changes.

That said, when I want a pizza I'm gonna smash that pizza down my gullet lol

bjorney@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 1y

I run a half marathon 1-2 times a month, and the costco poutine (2000+ calories) really hits different when it's guilt free

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 1y (3 replies)

A closer look at physical activity and metabolism

You can't easily control the speed of your basal metabolic rate, but you can control how many calories you burn through physical activity. The more active you are, the more calories you burn. In fact, some people who seem to have a fast metabolism are probably just more active — and maybe fidget more — than others.

To burn more calories, the Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans recommends the following:

Aerobic activity. As a general goal, aim for at least 30 minutes of moderate physical activity every day. If you want to lose weight, maintain weight loss or meet specific fitness goals, you may need to exercise more.

Moderate aerobic exercise includes activities such as brisk walking, biking, swimming and mowing the lawn.

Vigorous aerobic exercise includes activities such as running, heavy yardwork and aerobic dancing.

Strength training. Do strength training exercises for all major muscle groups at least two times a week. Strength training can include use of weight machines, your own body weight, heavy bags, resistance tubing or resistance paddles in the water, or activities such as rock climbing.

No magic bullet

Don't look to dietary supplements for help in burning calories or losing weight. Products that claim to speed up metabolism usually don't live up to their claims. Some may cause bad side effects.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/metabolism/art-20046508

Maalus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y (2 replies)

The only thing that helps lose weight is something that makes you not want to eat. ADHD meds do that for instance. Those "miracle" drugs that cost half a salary do that. You can't chow down on fastfood and lose weight a the same time

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

lol i don't eat fast food :(

xavier666@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y

You have to cut down carbs (rice, breads, ramen, pasta, noodles) and alcohol. If you want to go even further, cut down sugar and milk.

Nomad@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 1y

Not to mention alcohol. It's called a beer belly for a reason.

scarabic@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 1y (10 replies)

Working out isn’t the primary path to losing weight, though it is of course a big part of staying healthy.

You burn quite a lot of calories in a day just from being alive. The additional calories you’d burn from a brisk 20 minute walk might about to one cookie. It’s far easier to just not eat the cookie.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y (3 replies)

.........but I like cookies.

Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I'd happily walk a bubch if that means being able to eat more cookies

scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

That’s perfectly okay as long as the ratio of 20 minutes per cookie is understood.

OP has a goal to lose weight though, not just stand still. And with the busy schedule they described, 40 minutes of exercise is hard to fit in, whereas not eating 2 cookies takes no time, and if anything puts time back in your day.

scarabic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

OP’s stated goal is to lose weight and I’m just commenting on that basis. I like cookies too.

In real life I’m hardly a proponent of skipping life’s rich pleasures. But if weight loss is the goal, a little restraint is a hell of a lot more practical than a lot of exercise.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y (5 replies)

That's interesting. I'd guess my career keeps me "fairly" fit then? I average 8,000 steps per shift, and sometimes I do "reps" with ratches and other word nonsense. (Mechanic)

This is all good info though, I had 0 knowledge about anything when asking my original question. I didn't know there were even multiple types of fat on your body.

Coreidan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Doubtful. Exercise doesn’t contribute to weight loss nearly as much as people want to believe.

Your body gets used to exercise pretty quick.

If you’re not willing to significantly change your diet the exercise isn’t going to do squat.

toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (2 replies)

exercise isn't going to do squat

What if you do squats?

Coreidan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

You’ll have sore legs

DBT@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

And build muscle in your legs, which will in turn burn more calories.

monkeyman512@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Garibaldee@lemm.ee · 34 pts · 1y

I think the conventional wisom is diet is more important than exercise in losing weight, although I think most people would recommend working out once a week regardless if you would lose weight or not, basically any working out would be positive if you aren't at all, it couldn't hurt to do sit ups and push ups and see where that takes you.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y (1 reply)

you don't even have to work out.

you can get there simply with diet.

that said, dieting doesn't target where the fat comes from.

Core strength training (like sit ups, push ups, etc,) will help with muscle definition, and that can improve the appearance, but if you break down how much say, a pound of body fat is in excercise vs how much that pound is in hambergers... well. restricting calories will always be more effective for weight loss.

has your doctor said you need to lose weight? 130 pounds sounds not-overweight.

tamal3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

I know OP posted a specific question, but don't forget that working out is incredibly good for your physical and mental health. You'll feel stronger and more mentally resilient, and you can get rid of a surprising number of body pains.

You'll also increase your energy levels, as counterintuitive as that seems.

PP_BOY_@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y

CICO

Calories in <<< calories out

You can lose your beer belly sitting on a sofa all day doing nothing, just as long as you're intaking less calories than you burn.

Coreidan@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y (4 replies)

Nope.

Diet. Not exercise.

SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Nope, diet and exercise.

BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

dudes a mechanic im sure OP gets plenty of strength training from that. could use another cardio activity tho when mountain biking isnt an option

SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

So to actually be helpful and answer op's actual question.

Any physical activity will help to an extent.

What will help more for weight loss is counting calories and expending more than you consume.

But if you want to have any kind of actual muscle tone you need to do resistance training, wrenching alone isn't enough.

If op is cool being skinny/ low muscle tone, then diet and cardio will do it. If op wants muscle tone then they should lift weights or do some resistance training like calisthenics.

GoodEye8@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y

I think you meant:

Yes

If you stop drinking beer and get a better diet.

Majorllama@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Are you 5'3"? I don't mean that to be offensive I am genuinely asking. I haven't weighed anywhere near 130 since I was maybe 12?

Do you want a six pack or do you just want the belly bulge to go away?

Every little bit helps. Generally speaking if you can work a few push ups and sit ups into your daily routine it will likely have more effect than doing an hour long dedicated work out once a week.

Start out with 10 sit ups every morning right when you wake up and do 10 every night before you hop in bed. Add more as you get comfortable or do them periodically throughout the day.

miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y (1 reply)

This guy sits up.

Majorllama@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y

I had the class record for most sit ups in 60 seconds at one point in my life lol. I think it was 43. I probably couldn't do 43 sit ups in an hour at this point in my life.... I should probably start working out again lol

ShepherdPie@midwest.social · 5 pts · 1y

Are you 5'3"? I don't mean that to be offensive I am genuinely asking. I haven't weighed anywhere near 130 since I was maybe 12?

I'm also stuck on this guy's weight and him saying that it includes a beer belly. Not to be judgemental, it's just fascinating to hear the details about different body types. I'm on the taller side and am just a few pounds shy of double OPs weight.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (4 replies)

I am 5'7"

I have always been really skinny and have had a really high metabolism

Majorllama@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1y (3 replies)

I cannot fathom being 130 pounds again. I've been over 200 for so long I can't even imagine how much more nimble you must be lol.

Well hey congrats on the metabolism. I know it can be inconvenient how much you gotta eat n all that, but trust me it beats the alternative. My brother is a massive stoner and he eats like an elephant, but he's always skinny as twig. I eat like half of what he eats and I'm a hefty slab of meat.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

idk, ive gotten made fun of my whole life for being skinny. this also prevents me from gaining muscle mass you know. like...if want to buy a watch, i have to get the smallest watch possible for my wrists. and im not too nimble anymore. almost 40 so my joints are all breaking haha.

Majorllama@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Maybe it's time to start smoking some pot. Jk jk.

Don't tell me 40 is when the joints start breaking. That's right around the corner for me.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Nah it's a joke. I stay as physical as I can. My brother surfs and plays baseball hear round in Hawaii and he is ripped. I just mountain bike in the bin snow season here. Maybe I just need to find time to exercise or something. But my joints can't take skateboarding anymore

superkret@feddit.org · 16 pts · 1y (2 replies)

No. I'm currently in the process of losing my beer belly.
It's going really well, here's what I do:

  • only drink water, nothing with alcohol, calories or sweeteners
  • no snacks or sweets
  • whey shake for breakfast, small lunch (sandwich) and a normal-sized supper.
  • walk 30 miles per week, generally stay physically active, commute by bicycle.

The good thing is that it works without counting calories or weighing myself.
The bad thing is that I'm hungry half the day, but I figure that's my body burning fat, so I even kinda enjoy it.
I expect my belly to be gone by midsummer. A few situps won't change much, there's a FUCKTON of calories stored in a beer belly.
It's a big ole barrel full of fuel and you need to burn it all, even though your body doesn't want to.

XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Have you been tracking your weight to confirm it's working? Are you eating on a consistent schedule? I don't think you should be hungry if you are. The reason why being hungry concerns me is that being hungry all the time can mean your body is in a starvation mode rather than a fasting or fat burning mode. Instead of burning fat, your body slows down and weakens your other bodily functions to conserve energy and survive a famine rather than look a little sexier.

I used to be hungry upon waking up until remote work in 2020 let me casually skip breakfast. I woke up later and started waiting for lunch. I haven't regularly eaten it since then despite going back to an office. I rarely feel hungry in the morning unless I have something late (later than my general noon-8pm eating timeframe) and generally sugary (immediate blood sugar spike, leading to higher fat storage and followed by a blood sugar drop). If your body knows when your next meal is, it should be able to hold off on the hungry feeling until then.

superkret@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1y

I'm tracking progress by trying on various old pants that have stopped fitting me one after another in the past, and the waistline is shrinking fast.
I eat on a regular schedule, but I'm also at a big caloric deficit. There's no way to do that without getting hungry.
"Starvation mode" is a myth, by the way. Or rather, your body enters it whenever you're losing weight. But it can't sustain its weight when you stay active and eating little.
Don't worry, as long as I can ride my bicycle for hours on end, concentrate at my job, and stay healthy, I know I'm doing fine. I'll reconsider my approach when I'm starting to feel weak, or getting brain fog.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 1y (2 replies)

No. You need to adjust your diet and cut you caloric intake. Burning calories with exercise can give you some wiggle room but won't do anything by itself. You could skip exercise entirely and still make progress with a good diet. I would suggest intermittent fasting. Everyone I know who's had success dieting has done so with that method.

golli@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Yep. Weight is lost through diet, sport might help but can also make you hungry. The main benefit of exercise is better health through increased fitness.

People should compare how much calories exercising burnes per hour compared to the simple act of e.g. switching sugary drinks for water. Especially when you aren't fit to begin with, meaning you won't for example be able to run for hours each week.

Intermittent fasting definitely is a good method. But it varies for everyone. Imo it helps to start with changing what you groceries you buy. At least to me the further away from the plate you implement caloric reduction the easier it is.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1y

Yeah that's a good point and something I follow as well but didn't think about earlier. If you don't have it around you can't eat it.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y (6 replies)

You don't have to work out at all. Just eat clean and don't drink. It helps if you use a calorie tracker, so you know what you're taking in numerically.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Yeah, I'm going tks tart tracking calories and carbs. I shouldn't have to adjust my diet too much. Probably cut down on breads the most. I love bread. And I love cheese

UristMcHolland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

You should also use a calorie calculator to see what your maintenance caloric intake is. I.e. how many calories your body burns a day with your average routine. Then it's just a matter of eating less than that to lose weight or more than that to gain weight.

Edit: just wanted to say that cutting/reducing carbohydrate intake is definitely a good idea like you mentioned.

Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (3 replies)

In did keto for a while and also started strength training.

I did really well and went from about 270 to 184. I've since gone back up because i stopped everything sure to reasons.

I'm not here to recommend keto though. (Not against it but damn is it expensive!)

Why i bring it up is that i had to look at the nutrition label on everything

Doing that for more than a year really helped me notice how many calories are in things, and that theres can be surprising differences between different brands of the same thing.

Some beef jerky could be 2 or 3 times the calorie counts of others just because of extra ingredients(it's almost always extra sugar) even when its the same serving size/package

Just start looking at the options you are considering purchasing and you can make better choices without even using a calculator, you learn then which brands of which things are better for you and that will help without even changing what you are eating.

Kind of a nice nice way to ease into changing your diet if you don't actually start with changing the things you eat, just the versions of them

jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 1y (2 replies)

damn is it expensive

What part was expensive? We're you getting organic veggies?

Jarix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Meat and fats are expensive. Not having enough variety of foods that excite you will make it incredibly hard for people to stay on it, or so i was led to believe

In order to succeed you need enough variance to stay with it, from what i remember reading before doing it the single most common reason anyone fails a diet is because most diets that have restrictions fail to provide enough variety to keep people satisfied. Something about diminishing returns and how we are built to crave a variety of foods so that our ancient ancient ancestors didnt die from losing a single source of nutrients

I will admit, there are a lot more options of keto specific foods than when i was on it.

The bread products ive seen for keto are amazing compared to the dense heavy eggy elastic loafs i was able to find

jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 1y

That makes sense. Thank you for explaining

I've been doing a subset of keto for a few months, carnivore. I've been living off mostly inexpensive ground beef, eggs, and liver. I found it was less expensive then my preketo food budget.

will admit, there are a lot more options of keto specific foods than when i was on it.

Yeah, some of the new keto breads are so tempting! the chuffles that seem popular look really good

foggy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y (19 replies)

130 lbs???

Beer belly?

Are you like 5'3"? Otherwise... What???

baldingpudenda@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (3 replies)

They might have visceral fat. it's that hard belly. it's from high carb, usually heavy drinkers. they could be skinny and look 4 or 5 months pregnant.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

After other comments that might be it. Though I've been sober for over a decade now (never had a problem with drinking, just not my thing and lost friend and family to it so I don't do it)

Also it's not THAT big lmao.

baldingpudenda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

It's just the most common way ppl get it. If you eat lots of carbs, you can develop it. It's not a drastic change, but 10 years of rice, bread, pasta, etc will catch up with you. Get checked out by a doc to rule out glands and hormones as well.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Definitely! It makes the most sense reading other replies. Thank you so much

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (9 replies)

I'm 5'7". Very high metabolism

Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Just commenting here so you see it,

130 pounds is pretty low for a man your height. Considering you've never really worked out, do some body weight workouts on YouTube, or but some dumbbells and do the same. Start with 20 pounds and but heavier as you need.

You lose weight with diet, not exercise, but that's not what you need.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (7 replies)

yeah i want to gain weight.

kandoh@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y (5 replies)

I was chronically skinny until I started smoking weed.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I smoked when I was 18/19. Got food poisoning once when I was smoking and now when I smell weed I get really nauseous lol. It's super fun /s

kandoh@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y

Try Edibles!

onlyoneIbought@r.nf · 0 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Is that why you're such a dumb motherfucker? You should try another strain bro

kandoh@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Very normal, extremely hinged behaviour you're demonstrating. Clearly not someone who gets over emotional and then makes poor decisions as a result.

onlyoneIbought@r.nf · 1 pts · 1y
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Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

For reference 159 pounds would be where you start to cross into an 'unhealthy' BMI. However, while BMI is a good gauge for normal/sedintary people, it isn't a great measure if you're quite muscular. So I would try to stay under 160 unless you've been building miserable consistently for 1-2 years. And even then, if you are trying to optimize health, no need to go much over, even 160 being swole. However if your primary goal is not health but strength, you'll need to be 'obese'. Which is still healthier than being thin and out of shape, but not 'optimal' for long term health. The reason I say this is, everyone has an opinion on what's best, but it really depends on what you're trying to optimize for.

Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (3 replies)

They are 3'5''

MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Like a true hobbit should be.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

About to have elevensies actually.

MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y

Just as God Eru intended.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y

I'm 5'3 and a hair under 130 and don't have a beer gut. I don't know how accurate is but my scale says I'm around 15-16% body fat. I lift weights but I can't imagine I have more muscle mass than someone working as a mechanic and cycling. OPs numbers don't add up to me either.

RBWells@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y

Anything helps, of course. Anything is so much better than nothing.

You are skinnyfat, yes? You don't want to lose weight, you want to add lean mass. Weights are what do that best. Ideally you would want to lift heavy at least thrice a week if you are trying to shape up.

I can only lift once a week lately (lady, mid 50s) but do yoga 4x/week too. It's maintaining me reasonably lean.

I have been where you are (single working parent) and what I did back then was wake up at 5am and run, because that was the only time of day nobody needed anything from me, and running is nearly free, just shoes. It sucked, but the days I ran I did feel better later on, it was worth it overall I think. If there is any way you can wake up a half hour earlier and do something vigorous, and then add weight training once a week I think you will get good improvement. Just maybe not as much mass as you ideally want.

guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 1y

Exercise won’t change much.

What you need to do is eat less calories than you burn — so eat a little less, and you will lose weight.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y

Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym. Gym is for strength.

Source: I'm related to a competitive body builder.

Nollij@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 1y (1 reply)

The fact that you describe yourself as skinny and low weight suggests that this is not about calories. Do you have a high carb diet? That tends to cause fat to collect in the midsection. If you've ever seen starving children in Africa, you may have noticed that a lot of them have a similar stomach bulge, despite being clearly malnourished. It's from their diet that's high in grains.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

I have never tracked my diet but I will definitely start doing that. However I do eat a lot of white meats, salads, yogurt is my favorite. I also eat 2 meals a day (lunch and dinner) with something like a energy bar in the morning.

However! I do enjoy bread of all kinds as well as pastas. But I maybe eat that once a week?

But I will most definitely check it out and get some kind of tracker and go on a low carb diet. Wouldn't hurt.

bokherif@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

Not unless you stop drinking beer, no.

Draces@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

Going from doing nothing to something one day a week will have dramatic effects. But didn't expect it to happen overnight or to have the same effect as going 3 or 4 times a week. Even just doing however many pushups you can once per day is a very good way to start condition yourself so you can handle and enjoy getting into a gym eventually. Sit ups are pretty trash. Six packs are made in the kitchen is a common adage for a reason. If you can't work your core any other way I'd suggest planks over sit ups though. If you can, get a pull-up bar and power blocks. I would strongly recommend intending to get to a gym eventually though. From personal experience having a home gym was a bit of self sabotage

Cook, shower and then I’m exhausted AF.

This probably because you don't exercise. Exercise gives you energy and is an excellent anti depressant. Starting is always the hardest part but you'll have more energy the rest of the day.

And more than anything, even what you're doing, stick with it. Results take time. You'll have days you think it's doing nothing, you'll miss days and think what's the point of starting again, you'll be disappointed with rate of progression and that's always the biggest test.

FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (3 replies)

The human body is absurdly efficient. Fat weight is tackled by reducing calorie intake (using whatever tactic works for you). Exercise only makes a small difference by comparison.

Edit: for example, you could jog for almost an hour to burn approx 460 calories. Or you could just not eat 1 cinnamon swirl krispy kreme. Ate two at the family BBQ? You just gave your body enough fuel to light jog for 2 hours. A large vanilla milkshake has enough fuel to keep you jogging for an hour and a half. Stop overeating first or gym weightloss is useless.

IMALlama@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Exercise can burn a ton of calories, but in order to be able to do that level of exercise you have to be reasonably fit. For someone who doesn't have a ton of stamina, I agree that diet is much more effective.

FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Exercise in someone not particularly fit is also likely to trigger a stress response and their appetite will overcompensate. Exercise is good - everyone should be doing it - but for fat loss is pointless unless eating is well under control.

IMALlama@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Agree. Heck, even when I was more fit (also, younger) a good exercise session would often result in me eating more calories than needed.

protist@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 1y (3 replies)

You've gotten a lot of advice on here, but I don't think I've seen this...are you able to "suck in your gut" if you try hard and it improves how it looks? If so, it might not even be visceral fat, but just poor muscle tone in your abdominal area. If this is it, then core strength exercises are the way to go. Practice sucking in that gut more and more until it becomes the default, and strengthen your abs and obliques.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I can suck it in, yes. And obviously it gets smaller the less bloated I am too (I'm lactose intolerant but live in WI and cheese is life)

RBWells@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Is there any chance that you have dysmorphia, not a gut? 130 at 5'7" for a guy sounds pretty thin, even if out of shape, and the description of your diet sounds like you are certainly eating to maintain only 130, not a metabolism thing. Husband is 5'9 and said he was skinny at 145, I am same height and was skinny at 125, like really very slender. So we are close to your height and think you probably want more lean mass not less fat.

I do stand by the previous advice, something vigorous in the morning and heavy weights as often as possible. There are a couple of things you have to prioritize so they will happen. Exercise is one of them. Besides the 5am runs, I have done 9pm gym sessions, 5:30 am jazzercise, find the time and don't let go of it. Once it's a habit you will feel better on a workout day than an off day.

But you may have to eat more, not less, and lift to get the result you want.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

I am sure lol

Diddlydee@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

It really depends on your metabolism. There is no right answer here. Some people can get rid of a beer belly with minimal effort and others will have to really work at it. Your best bet is changing diet, not drinking, and more regular focussed exercise.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y

Yup, weight management is 95% diet and 5% exercise. A single snickers bar takes a 12 minute mile of jogging to burn off; Our bodies are incredibly energy efficient. So if you’re looking to lose weight, it’s better to just skip the snickers bar altogether.

Building muscle can raise your basal metabolic rate, (because you burn more calories to maintain that extra muscle) but even that is negligible when you consider how many calories you can consume without even realizing it.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

When I say exhausted I mean I've been active from 7am until around 8pm non stop. I just don't have energy to go to a gym or something and I'd rather just wind down.

And I do a lot of cycling. I know it's not "ultra mega workout" but I am active and when I mountain bike I can maintain my heart rate pretty well. I noticed my calves getting meatier and my stamina was pretty good at the end of the season.

So id like to think I'm fairly active.. but a lot less when I was younger (drumming, skating, snowboarding, biking. Every day. 365)

Evotech@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Sounds like you have a pretty active lifestyle. If losing weight is the goal id definitely start with food.

Easiest targets is to reduce sugary drinks / and evening snacking / beer. It'll make your wallet feel better too

mstrk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

by experience, no. You need to stop drinking beer so often, and you need to eat less. Exercise is still a plus, but you need to sync your activity with your meals. I still eat whatever I want but in less quantities in general.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I do not drink any alcohol at all.

mstrk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Apologies for assuming. Sugar is the number one culprit for a "beer belly", so you find more than enough in beer.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Sugar and bread i down like it's going out of style

metaStatic@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 1y

Do strict keto, the majority of a beer belly is water which bonds with fat at a 3:1 ratio so when you're burning fat as your primary fuel you'll piss half of it out in the first month without any change in physical activity.

jet@hackertalks.com · 4 pts · 1y (15 replies)

Your beer belly, is it hard or jiggly?

If it's a hard beer belly, that means you have lots of visceral fat, fat inside the rib cage. This is a strong indicator of metabolic syndrome.

The single best way to tackle that beer belly is to go low carb, this reduces your blood sugar, letting your insulin levels come down, allowing your body to actually function properly. The human body, really, really, really, really does not like visceral fat, and will remove it with urgency when allowed to.

If you like data, buying a continuous glucose monitor, then playing a game where you keep your glucose as flat as possible all day. The beautiful thing about this is you get instant feedback and know exactly how well your doing.

A absolutely great resource on doing this intervention is: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb

This is the hormonal model of human metabolism, other people have mentioned calorie in calorie out CICO - which is technically correct, but practically unhelpful. Humans are amazing hormonal homeostasis machines, the hormones need to be functioning properly. You can eat 100 g of uranium, and have trillions of calories in your body, but you're not going to be able to use it. It's much better to get your hormones into balance and allow the body to self-correct and stay at optimal.

The great thing about going low carb, is you will lose that visceral fat, your blood pressure will improve, sleep will improve, pre-diabetes will improve, sexual function will improve... Basically everything, the metabolism touches every part of the body! Insulin is extremely important, getting it into control has massive benefits.

All of this! And you won't even be hungry! If you're doing low carb, you can eat as much as you want, as long as you keep your blood sugar down. BBQs steaks eggs bacon cheese, as much as you like at any time. Alcohol : avoid beers, if you must drink vodka or whiskey. -- all of this works because your body will be able to tell you when you're full. Have you ever eaten a steak, and it tastes absolutely delicious at the beginning, but the more you eat it the less and less delicious it tastes? That's how all foods should be. that's the human body self regulating. Sugar messes that system up!

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (4 replies)

Agree so hard about low carb. That was my key to finally losing weight (FAST) and keeping it off for years.

But what about jiggly fat? What's the difference?

jet@hackertalks.com · 2 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Jiggly fat, is excess adipose tissue. And that is also symptom of metabolic syndrome.

Visceral fat, hard fat, is a stronger indicator. Simply because it's really unhealthy for the organs, so the body really doesn't want to put anything there if it can avoid it.

I think people with jiggly fat know they're unhealthy, it's pretty obvious to them. But people of visceral fat can think they're incredibly healthy, but not be. So it's surprising for them.

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Thanks for explaining.

jet@hackertalks.com · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I'm trying to get e keto community going !ketogenic@dubvee.org

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Nice, I subscribed.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (9 replies)

Interesting. I would say yes it is more hard than jiggly, kind of i between but hard to say because of my small body size overall (5'7, 130lbs). I have an extremely high metabolism. I can eat whatever and dont necessarily gain extra weight. However I don't drink alcohol, indent drink sodas, I try* to eat pretty healthy. But I love bread. So I eat a lot of bread, pastas etc.

Hmm. But you have opened my eyes to do some research as I never would have expected something other than exercise effecting me. When I was younger I had a flat stomach and abs and over time my belly just grew and nothing else lol.

I'll check the the carbs stuff, I really appreciate it.

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Assuming you're an adult, you're already well inside the normal range of weight for your height. Based on that, it sounds like your eating habits aren't terrible, so you are that unicorn that actually just needs to exercise more and you're not eating all your hard work away. If you start feeling persistently fatigued, add a bit of carbs back to your diet. A little bit isn't going to make your belly balloon back out. :) Good luck!

Edit: I stand corrected, see below. I was incorrectly assuming things from your other comments when I hadn't even read your main post! Duh.

jet@hackertalks.com · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Based on that, it sounds like your eating habits aren't terrible, so you are that unicorn that actually just needs to exercise more

TOFI : thin outside fat inside : is very common! That is 100% diet based

https://hackertalks.com/post/5592913

Something like 92% of westerns don't have optimal metabolic health... Which is a polite way of saying only 8% are perfectly healthy, and the rest are on the sliding scale of insulin resistance

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Thank you for the correction. I somehow completely skipped over OP's main text in their post and went right to inferring stuff from their other comments and thought maybe they were young and had some body image issues. 38, skinny, but a beer keg belly definitely sounds like diet.

IMALlama@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Hard vs jigggily is fairly straightforward to gauge. Sit down in jeans and a belt. Bonus points if neither stretch. Poke your belly near your belt. If it's jigggily you will be able to palpitate some skin and fat before you get to a more solid layer. To make the transition even more obvious, flex your abs. If you have no idea what I'm on about, you have a hard belly.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

if i poke my belly and flex my abs i can feel my abs flexing with my finger. so i would say its more squishy than jiggly. regardless. going to try low carb anyways lol. thank you

IMALlama@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Is there a soft layer between your finger and abs that you can press through to get to your abs? It yes, jigggily and subconscious fat. If not, firm and visceral fat. Visceral is far worse for your health and is associated with higher carb diets.

Low carb is an excellent way to drop weight, regardless of what kind of fat you have.

jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Any time, happy to answer any questions you may have. You can look at your last lipid panel, and look at the TG/HDL ratio, if its less then 1 then your insulin sensitive, but the higher it is over 1, the more insulin resistant you are. Insulin sensitivity is the real measure of metabolic health!

If you want to read more about this ratio https://hackertalks.com/post/5922188

Some people who can't do low carb do time restricted eating, or intermittent fasting, i.e. one or two meals per day. This can also improve your insulin levels, the longer you can go without sugar the better for the body. This works, but I think its doing it on hard mode, because its like edging with sugar cravings, but it works for people who can't give up their breads :)

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

i already eat 2 meals a day :( im doomed!

jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 1y

hahah, not doomed! Its a solvable problem.

Get a GCM, strap it on, see how your blood sugar is doing! Maybe move your bread to one meal a day. It takes like 4-5 hours to get all the sugar out of the blood after a meal, so one meal + 5 hours, 6 hours a day of sugar, 18 hours a day of no sugar... Could be enough time to let your body resolve the visceral fat.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

Alternative: Teach kids to cook, on the premise of being a good dad. THEN kids cook ALL the meals!

Yeah! I made your life easier!

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y

I agree with the comment saying that 130lbs doesn’t sound overweight, unless you’re 5’0 or under. Does your belly look obviously big to you in photos, or has anyone else ever mentioned it? Your perspective when you look down at your belly will make it look larger to you, so it might only be you that sees your belly as too big.

Keep in mind as well that in any photos of men you see who are body building, they have often dehydrated themselves to make their muscles stand out more. If you’re properly hydrated you’re never going to look like that, even if you exercise every day.

But strengthening your core muscles is really good for your back, so it’s probably not a bad idea to do sit ups and push ups.

TheBananaKing@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Humans are horribly, miserably energy efficient.

Seriously we evolved as exhaustion predators: pick an animal and just keep walking after it until it drops, then eat it. That's our whole schtick. We are the goddamn terminator.

Just being alive and breathing uses up about 1500-2000 calories a day.

An absolute bastard of a workout will use up maybe 100 on top of that, which makes up for like a spoonful of peanut butter.

As such, you can't practically lose weight via exercise alone. You need to bring calories-in down to less than calories-out.

The tricky part is doing it in a controlled and sustainable manner so you don't just say fuck it and scarf down two whole pizzas for lunch in a week's time because you're hangry and don't care any more.

bjorney@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

An absolute bastard of a workout will use up maybe 100 on top of that

An hour run burns like 600

IMALlama@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

At my weight (175 pounds) going 10k over an hour puts me at about this amount of calories. That's 6.2 miles. I am in no way fit enough to be able to go that kind of distance, forget about the pace, which is sad to admit.

At a 15 minute mile, I would burn 120 calories/mile.

That's not to say that you can't burn significant calories exercising, it's just that your average couch potato won't be able to out of the gate. It's far easier for me to reduce my intake by 120 calories/day than it jog a mile a day on average. Ideally you would do a bit of both.

magnetosphere@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1y

What you’re talking about would help, but not as much or as quickly as you’d like.

As others have said, changing your diet would help much more. Beer bellies are correctly called beer bellies because of all the carbs.

Don’t try to change too much at once. This is preventative, and not a major emergency, so you can be a bit kinder to yourself. At first, merely reduce your intake of unhealthy foods. Completely eliminate them later on. Wean yourself off things rather than trying to go cold turkey. Dieting is very much a mental game. When you get used to eating less unhealthy crap, there’s a good chance you’ll crave it less.

Don’t eat mindlessly out of habit or boredom; ask yourself if you’re genuinely hungry, and if there’s a healthier option available (and make sure there is. When you go grocery shopping, buy more healthy snacks to make up for the junk you’ll be buying less of).

You’re very smart for paying attention to this now. It’s much, much easier to adjust your diet now than it is to try and correct things once your weight has become a serious problem.

Lastly, I’m no expert. Search “diet plan for beginners” for more suggestions. Talking to your doctor wouldn’t hurt, either, especially if you’ve got a condition we’re not aware of.

XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

A beer belly, despite the name, is not exactly from beer. A beer belly isn't specifically from the caloric spikes associated with heavy beer drinking (where a certain amount of alcohol for a certain inebriation is accompanied by a massive intake of simple carbs compared to liquor). It's due in part by genetics. It's called visceral fat, meaning it's intertwined with your torso's organs and muscles. The concern here, particularly when beer-bellied people are heavy enough to show notable fat between their knees, elbows, and faces, is there's likely fat/cholestoral buildup in the circulatory system. The beer belly is a heart attack predictor (but please understand overall weight is part of that indicator, not just location of fat). Some people are prone to adding fat relatively evenly across their body while some are prone to a beer belly. This variance in fat distribution is why skin-pinch based BMI tests are not accurate for health (testing arm skin misses beer bellies) and why weight/height BMI charts aren't either (can categorize distributed-fat risks a little too closely to beer bellied fat).

As for a solution, I support low-carb diets as you've indicated you'll try. They come with risks and peculiarities. As someone with sizable forearms and calves but about 40lbs of beer belly, keto has worked great for weight loss. The consequence of not being careful with eating (counting carbs but not calories to types of fat) is my cholestoral is still high when I do keto stints.

As you consider a low carb diet, I want to point out some misconceptions for keto, since that's mostly what you'll find. Atkins and Weight Watchers are close to keto. Paleo has a similar major component by prohibiting simple processed grain (white flour) but isn't the same otherwise. It's not a high protein diet - eat a normal amount. It's not a high fat diet - higher than the sugar industry-funded diet studies blaming fats will recommend, but still a normal amount. It does push you to choose better fats (nuts, avocado) rather than bad fats (bacon, butter) but fats fare a little better as a snack than proteins.

A major misconception is that fats make you fat and dietary cholestoral gives you coronary cholestoral. Both are indirectly related by directly false. Your belly is not stuffed with butter and cashew oil. It's stuffed with human fat. Fat is a category, not a particular substance. Your body has to convert food into body fat. When you eat lots of sugars or simple carbs (which quickly turn into sugar in your stomach), your body is happy to waste energy converting the other food into body fat because you're rapidly adding energy (sugar) to your blood. While sugar highs aren't exactly real, sugar crashes absolutely are. It's why a big pasta meal can leave you hungry in an hour. So what if you stop eating sugar and simple carbs? You can't put walnuts in your bloodstream. Your body has to take that fat and convert it into body fat, and then that body fat gets converted into blood sugar. It's a lengthy process that costs a lot of energy. It takes a week of dedication to make it work. When you get ketosis in full swing, your body will fuel itself with body fat as it takes time to convert dietary fat into body fat for later. Similarly for dietary cholestoral, you can't take egg yolks and coat your arteries. Your personal cholestoral is produced by your body and is related more to total dietary calorie intake, dietary proportion of saturated fats, and genetic disposition for fat distribution.

Personally, a major benefit from keto is simply being able to confidently turn down all sugar and simple carbs. Beer, cake, cookies, sugary drinks, chips, bread, ice cream, and candy. I can easily convince myself that a little treat won't hurt in a non-keto month but I have poor self control. A little becomes a lot. Part of that is because I'm "cleaning up" carby foods I abstained form during a keto month. But on keto? It's an easy rule to follow since I'm as happy with cheddar as I am with ice cream. While I'll come off for a few months to a year, the monthly keto cycles make my weight chart look like a slinky going down stairs.

jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Great writeup!

my cholestoral is still high when I do keto stints.

bad fats (bacon, butter)

If you don't mind me asking, how long are your keto sessions, and which part of your cholesterol is high? Just LDL?

XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

For my most successful keto run, it was 6 months of picking one weekend per month to party on beer and simple carbs (supposed to focus on whole grains monthly). I had places to go, foods to experience. But I went from 235 to 195. Using a whole weekend to carb up all the wrong ways ties into me using this diet somewhat carelessly but still effectively. Carbing smartly would smooth out the weight loss but, instead, my chart looks like a slinky falling down stairs. After I hit the bottom for my big day, I gained about half back in the following year. I'd like to get a 3+ month run started in a few weeks. I started Jan 1 but work trips tripped me up, sending me to places where it was impossible to go carb free.

From what I remember, the bad cholesterol was high and good was average. My blood pressure reduced somewhat over that 6 months, although the dramatic weight loss also promoted more physical activity. I didn't really add exercise, but I was able to do all the random daily stuff for longer before overheating.

HexesofVexes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

There's a really good video on this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSkDos2hzo

Adding a little exercise to your life is rarely a bad thing, but to shift fat diet change is the big one.

Here's one that will have a steady impact - drink an extra glass of water with each meal (helps you feel full for longer), and invest in an apple corer (for easy apple snacks) - aim for an apple a day. It's helping me slowly lose body fat by reducing caloric intake.

SolidShake@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Green apple with peanut butter is a snack of choice already haha. Not every day though.

jamessmiths@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

You should also use a James Smith calorie calculator to see what your maintenance caloric intake is. I.e. how many calories your body burns a day with your average routine. Then it’s just a matter of eating less than that to lose weight or more than that to gain weight.

beerclue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (9 replies)

sorry for hijacking, i am also interested in the subject, commenting here to hopefully get some info. i'm 174cm / 84kg. i wear medium clothes, but my beer muscle shows up, it's quite big. even through a sweater.

i don't exercise (i work in it, from home mostly), but also, i barely eat. today i had 3 coffees (no sugar, little milk), some leftover stir fry (veggies, chicken, mie noodles) and an apple, and that's common. i don't eat sweets or junk food.

i cook almost every day, usually curries & rice, stir fry, pizza/pasta, soups and stews, but i rarely eat myself. i switch daily between chicken/pork/seafood/tofu/legumes for protein, but there's always rice or pasta or bread.

i drink a couple beers in a week (on average), i drink very little water throughout the day, maybe half a liter.

i sleep very little too, about 5h on average (less during the week, more on weekends).

where should i start? what's the most blatant issue on my list? i know, all, but... what would be the first?

shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

The most blatant issue is not exercising. You don't have to do anything drastic but adding an evening walk to your routine and changing nothing else would be really beneficial for you. If you added a few hours of walking per week and dropped the beer completely that would definitely tip the scales in your favour and you would see the weight dropping.

I would expect those two changes would benefit your sleep too

beerclue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

thanks! i commute once or twice per week to the office, and that's some train, some walking. i average 5k steps per day, but with 10k when I go to the office. yesterday i did just under 1k.

i did check in with a specialist regarding my sleeping issues. it's... complicated, but i'm working on it, part medication, part cpap machine :)

baldingpudenda@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

You should go to your doctor so they'll run some tests. It could be something medical and not just your diet and exercise. Plus you'll get a baseline to compare later.

Write down what you actually eat in a day and look up roughly how many calories it is in total. You can search 'chicken calories' and there are websites that will tell you how many in say 100g of chicken breast or thigh. You can use those sites to look up calories for each food item. Sometimes we don't realize how much we actually eat. Or It could be a gland or hormonal problem which again needs medical attention.

If you're eating high carb, you can be building visceral fat. beer is just fermented bread. If you've been eating high carb, cut down to 100g of carbs per day or less. For me just cutting out the rice and making sure I had some sauce, salsa, etc to make sure the dish isn't dry worked for me. I tried to stay closer to 50g of carbs per day, but unless you want to be a robot and eat the same dishes for 6 to 12 months, use it more as a guide line than a hard rule.

Since your lowering your carbs, you can raise your protein and fat to feel full. No rice, bread, pasta will make your plate looks sad and empty. Fill it with veggies. I always sautee my veggies.

As you lower your visceral fat, you'll sleep better, which lowers your stress, which lowers your accumulation of visceral fat, which makes you sleep better, in a positive feed back loop which will give you energy and you can start taking walks. Which adds more positive feed back.....

TL;DR go to your doc. Eat more protein and veg. very little rice, pasta, bread. Try it for a month and see if you feel better

beerclue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

i did have some blood tests back in december. everything was within parameters for someone my age & gender.

i'll try the calories / carbs counting. based on how much i eat, i should be able to add it all up at the end of the day. i remember 10-15 years ago i dropped the sugar from my coffee and also stopped eating bread for a few weeks, and i dropped a few kg. i do eat veggies, it's not just protein with rice. my kids love a salad with olive oil and lemon juice, and my stir fries and curries also have plenty of them. but noted!

thanks a lot for the tips!

osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

The most blatant issue is the low water intake and the low sleep. Increasing the sleep and the water will help dramatically.

beerclue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

thanks! i am trying to, i got a large refillable bottle, but "i can't be bothered" to refill it when it's empty, my hyper focus keeps me glued to my chair... if i'm thirsty, i just take another cold coffee sip... 🤦‍♂️

osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 1y

unironically, most guys I know with the same problem just go for the novelty oversized bottles. seems to suit them well, and in a pinch the aluminum ones make for a hell of a club :D

jet@hackertalks.com · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

My advice to OP up thread would work for you too! https://hackertalks.com/post/6445964/6589425

Get your insulin under control and most things will self correct.

beerclue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

oh wow, very informative, thank you! (solid, hard belly for me)

DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Trying to do a set amount of exercise games in VR helped me get more fit. I'm not good at sticking with something but pretty great at playing the same sections of a video game telling me what movements to do everyday.

Just having things to do/try as exercise everyday was more fun/rewarding for my brain.... But I had to make sure they were exercise too.

Then I'd do more as I got healthier, and eventually I attached weights to my wrists and legs.

But if you're a mechanic you might want to ease into it, because of your back.

P.S also what everyone else said about diet is true... And both options, dietary changes and exercise will leave you feeling tired or lethargic until your body falls into line... So a lot of results come from mental discipline and committing to never missing a day or cheating yourself. Gotta hang in there and do your best to firgive and recover when you faulter.

shoulderoforion@fedia.io · -1 pts · 1y
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