Well, you actually own it for one, given Linux is an open platform, you're generally not at some corporation's will unlike with closed platforms like Windows or even macOS, you're also not arbitrarily locked out of running it on hardware made before a certain date unlike with Win11; as long as the kernel supports it, it should run on your hardware, where Windows arbitrarily locks out anything older than Zen+ or Kaby Lake without a modded install medium starting with Win11, and it generally uses less resources than Windows nowadays although that varies based on configuration.
Linux tends to get out of your way to let you get shit done. Windows tends to be a marketing platform for Microsoft products that lets you get shit done.
I don't see why my office computer needs some xbox app I can't uninstall.
Seriously, do people pay for windows? I've transitioned one copy I got on my laptop a dozen years ago through a few separate pc builds. And duplicated another key, which was quite easy. The verifications for windows are super easy to bypass by a non-tech intelligent user
Yes. When you buy your computer, the cost of Windows is added onto the computer's cost. Just for context, a Dell XPS 13 Laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled is £1,149.01, with Windows it's £1,199.00. When you get the chance to have Linux preinstalled or even just have no OS pre installed, you find it's cheaper than having Windows Preinstalled.
It's the same for desktops. There's no difference between Operating systems for laptops or desktops. Your can use the same install media for both with little to no difference.
How many basic users do you think build their own desktops and not just buy a pre built?
This was about how many normal people buy Windows, not how many of a very small percentage/niche buy Windows. Please don't move the goal post mid-game.
No spyware, much better performance and wear on your hardware. Actual control over your devices. The downside is, linux is complicated and a pain to learn how to use or maintain. Windows is easy to use but so is a vtech laptop which is essentiallly the trade off. It used to be that windows was easy to use and open as a platform, but microsoft is doing everything in its power to ruin windows. The modern developers also really suck and the modern codebase is buggy as hell. The OS kills your harddisks and ssds, even before the new broekn update because they are constantly scanning your files to send signitures to palantir or whatever. They are removing basic functionality and a few years from now I imagine you wont even be allowed to close or open apps, like with Android. It will just be full of ads and spyware and you will have to pay a subscription to use it or something. People have been jumping ship because at this point continuing to use windows is just going to make your life painful in the future.
Linux is objectivly hard to use. Sure if you use it everyday for years and years and memorize all the commands and stuff, you can probably figure out most stuff without searching, but as someone who has only been using Linux for a few years, and is a mere amature C++ programmer, installing anything or even doing basic tasks is often a multi hour process, that requires a snack and a nap afterwards, with a maybe 50% success rate. Just adding a script to autorun at boot was something that took me a few hours and probably dozens of lines of shell. Im moving to debian soon though, which should maybe help since i dont have to deal with containers and and overlay filesystem and all that nonsense. Linux really needs to lean into UI development, simplicity, and intutive design. I still struggle to find files in linux without links. KDE has come a long way in recent years. I can now do things like scale my screen size without hours of research, shell hacking, and autoruns. Linux will never become mainstream unless the typical user can do nearly everything without ever touching the shell. That has always been the thing that has held Linux back besides game compatability. Now that valve is finally creating a more normie friendly version of linux with game compatability and a sort of complete UI. It might actually overtake windows. Its still a massive pain in the butt compared to windows- double click an exe or msi to install your software. If i need to find a file on Windows, I don't even need a search function. I can just find it in less then a minute. Linux definitly has some big flaws and bad design decisions. Modern womdows isnoretty terrible compared to 7 and before but it is still much easier to use for almost every task.
From what I remember Mint is probably the most brain dead easy Distros you could use. Almost everything has a GUI if I remember. Its mainly a mix of what Distro/DE you use and how much you want to tinker.
Good to know, i havnt researched mint much, but im trying to find the most simple system so i can learn linux on a deep level. Basically the temple OS or Dos or windows XP of linux. Not simple as in UI but in file system and stuff. Debian lets me install KDE which i like so the UI side is fine. Its a bit trickier to understand overlay file systems and stuff.
Maybe half of the software I use is in the discover store. I for whatever reason end up using quite a bit of niche software. I have improved a good bit with installing from scripts and stuff. Sometimes i need to install stuff into the OS tree to get it to work and use propeitary binaries. Installing java, AI dev tools, certian versions of Python to get software to work or compile Its annoying, but im moving to debian which should help with many of these things if i can manage to get it installed.
If you want to learn about Linux on a deeper level Mint is probably not the best choice for it, since it aims at providing a Distros for non tech literate users. For this goal I would recommend Arch Linux, since the installation an maintaining teaches you quite a bit. Main Problem is, that Arch is sometimes quite unstable. If you like to suffer to learn you can also try out Gentoo or NixOS or crea[e your own Linux with Linux from scratch.
It is Not that Bad. The installation isnt that hard, if you use a tutorial. In terms of maintaining its mostly a "hit or miss" scenario. I heard from people who had no issues at all and from people who ran into issues all of the time. I can say, that I did not have that much problems. In about 2 years of relative frequent use of arch I only bricked my system once, leading to my is being unfixable and me having to reinstall the whole OS. I ran into smaller problems of which, except for one, where I found a manual temporary workaround and couldn't bother to fix it completely, all could be fixed. I would not recommend to use it on a machine, where you can't risk eventually having to fix it for one or two days.
Or even any of the multitude of GUI stores that exist, one of which will probably come pre-installed on your system if you're using a just-works distro.
Windows is objectively hard to use, and makes it harder to use with every release. I wasn't saying Linux is particularly easy (though depending on the distro I'd say it's definitely easier than Windows), but more that feeling like windows is easy to use is just being used to it.
The difference is really, I dont have to look stuff up usually to change things on windows. In linux you have to do most things with obscure shell commands and arguments that i dont know.
If you had that many years of experience on Linux then the shell commands and arguments wouldn’t be obscure.
Now’s the best time to learn, there’s a lot of other beginners now so the Linux communities are full of people learning at the same time as you would be.
I find linux to usually be logical. In windows everything appears to be completely random.
It has a lot to do with familiarity, but design choices also play a part.
i have handed fedora kionite to a non-techie who was super happy with it, cuz it looks like windows, but most of the things you need, you can safely get via discover.
Some things i can get from discover but many things i use i have to manulally install. I just dont want to deal with containers and ostree and stuff. Maybe in the future i will.
fair, but considering that you mentioned autoruns and such, i guess you need more specialised things anyways, so maybe kionite just isn’t for you.
i don’t use it either, but for my normie friends who need nothing but a browser, office, and mby steam (in that case mby bazzite), its awesome
I've been using Mint and KDE Neon on two of my machines for the past year, and I still have to search for how to install an app image properly.
Its one of those things that isn't the end of the world, and I guess there are increasing numbers of Snap/Flatpak packages. And, of course apt. And whatever application manager your distro comes with.
But some software is available either to be compiled by the user, or as an app image. And I don't understand why that image can't just be dropped in an application folder and run, the same way it works in macOS.
But I'm a relative noob. I assume there's a historical reason.
Well im sure that's true for most people who just browse the web and stuff, but I do many complex things with my PC. Double clicking an installer is just always easier to install software. That was the first big mistake of linux tbh. Not having a standard gui type way to install 3rd party software. App stores are cool, dont get me wrong, but its not a replacement for just double clicking a downloaded file that interacts with a standard set of tools on your PC. I know there are reasons for this, linux is only a kernel and what not. I have been using windows since idk 95 i think when i was like 6 years old. It is definitly way easier to do just about anything. That is because windows was designed to be as simple and cross compatible as possible. Xp and 7 were the best versions of windows unless you were too dumb to avoid getting malware or something. For whatever reason, most people were too dumb to avoid getting maleware because they hard no artistic sense. I could always detect the quality of the mind which made a website, and i knew bad artists were the ones who likely had bad morals, and had malware. Also personality. It was simple for me to avoid malware and i never did get it, maybe twice over like 20 years.
Windows died and so i started to use linux a few years ago. The hardest thing i ever had to do in windows was probably link libraries in C++, almost everything in linux is that hard. The people who make linux just will never understand that the average user will never want to spend hundreds of hours a year maintaining their system. 90% of people cannot even understand if a simple logical statement is true or not. Half of them can barely read. Kid these days dont even know how to use something thats not a touch screen, older people over 60% of them cant send an email without help, and these people are supposed to download xrandr for their linux machine and create a custom startup script in system d, to make their tv display correctly? Madness. I feel like i may have walked into a cult. If you guys are like Linux devs, that is extreamly cool fr, atleast to me, but you are delusional if you think linux is easier to use then windows. It has come a long way. Bazzite is the first distro that i feel comfortable recomending to normies, and i recomend it to many people who are trying to escape the trashpile that is modern windows. Learning liinux has been difficult though, maybe because i dont have tons of free time and energy anymore like when i was younger. It is coming a long way however thxs to lord gaben and his push to make linux more mainstream, so the personal PC market doesnt die completly with whatever the hell microsoft and apple are doing these days, probably trying to micromanage their users, e force moral sogma, and use nudge theory on them because the people who run most companies in America are actually dumb incels at this point.
It's even easier with Brew: have terminal window open, type brew install librewolf & if MacOS complains, xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/LibreWolf.app (for example to get a nice bland browser without corporate spyware). Every now and then, brew upgrade librewolf.
I didn’t even want to bring up brew, which is also great. I know it’s cool to hate on MacOS, but for both “getting shit done” and mostly “just working” (drivers, etc) I think MacOS is the best intersection of those needs. The hardware is also easily the best available.
After this last windows 10 update, now windows hangs on cryptographic service. There's no fix for this shit and no hope to fixing my computer.... My HDD...but I restart boot my default OS Linux on its own SSD from Grub. If I want to go suffer I reboot into the piece of shit windows system. So that's the appeal of Linux.
Yes, windows is definitely the king of user experience, with no other os I had the privilege of being able to max out my ram in idle while having Microsoft and google spy on my every move… the ui is another thing, who doesn’t love to have an inconsistent ui, you have to pay for to customise it :3
What finally pushed me over the edge was when I was trying to fix something in Windows and it said I couldn’t access that part of the OS. Bitch, you work for me, not the other way around. I’ve flopped back and forth between Linux and Windows for decades and just decided that anything I couldn’t do in Linux I just wouldn’t do. So far, I haven’t really encountered anything. With how much of my average computing is done in a browser these days, Firefox doesn’t really care which OS it’s running on.
Ok I lied. I don’t actually use vim, I use neovim. But I don’t daily drive Linux or windows, and neovim does kinda unify my local editing vs ssh experience. So only 50% a shitpost.
I mean, I use vim when I have to, but I have a pretty crazy neovim config I prefer. Also shoutout to stow for helping me sync my neovim config across systems.
It depends on the user.
If you'll install GNU/Linux distribution as a nooby, choose some easy distribution - most probably it will install a lot of bloatware, and possibly could be unstable...
But if you'll go into details and learn the basic you could install some better distro, which you will install manually, and you will install all you need, no bloat.
If you will, here are the perks:
Stability (it also depends on your hardware.. NVIDIA for example is pretty bad, but Intel or AMD is great. Must be better stability than on Windows, if you'll not fk up)
Performance (since you installed everything by yourself, and you will have no bloat, telemetry and etc. you will run the OS with great performance)
Security (vulns on big distros are getting fixed fastly, and there are less vulns than on Windows, also less viruses you could get on a desktop)
Customizability (you could change anything you want, desktop environment, sometimes init system, pretty much anything but it depends on a distro and your skills)
Me, as a.. I would say half a professional GNU/Linux user, would recommend Void Linux for half-experienced or experienced user, because I like the runit init system and the stability, even though it's rolling model.
But for a newbie... I don't know. All of them I tried - they had problems. So it's better to either endure, either start from a not-so-hard distro like Void Linux.
EDIT: oh yeah.. I read a lot of comments here and I would also add that the system is free, open-source (with Linux-libre), and it's also not so bad at gaming since Steam made Proton, a fork of Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator). I also game sometimes and I use Lutris.. Don't know if there any other cooler alternative heh.
macOS on my work laptop. As an app developer this is my only option
macOS on my personal laptop. As an app developer this is my only option
raspbian on my home server
daily drive iOS
I dabble in Android on the side, but mostly just to test my apps
But I pretty much just need Tmux, Neovim, and a browser for 80% of my work and I’m happy. 10% of that is running an XCode build and the other 10% is macOS and iOS working really nicely together.
Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
That when I eventually get sound working again I can feel good about fixing something. One month now without sound and having to use Windows. Will probably have to reinstall because I've tried everything that could find on the internet to fix it without success.
LOL me writing this, using neovim and a split keyboard to make me feel smart. There is definitly some truth to this. But I never look down upon people for not using the technology I choose. People on here can be really annoying. It’s like the virtue signaling Linux.
But you're not, like, being clever or fun. It's just really crude self validating antagonism where you declare that any engagement is you winning.
It's crass, juvenile, disingenuous, unsophisticated, and, worst of all; not providing anything to your audience, not even trying to be funny. It serves only to highlight your vices.
Which, you know, can come off if youve got some literary chops, if you ride the lightning between kauffman and plath, or try to do your best rick sanchez. But this isn't that. It's not even a failed attempt to be that. You're using your computer as an excuse to ignore the humanity of others so you can abuse that humanity for human validation.
It is an inchoate display of the ugliness that chokes your otherwise empty little heart.
120 Comments
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 118 pts · 350d
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 350d
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 350d
Oh, now this is a shitpost.
60d@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 350d
Thought about downvoting, then realized it is top-tier.
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 350d
Vim does care, but it doesn’t want to hurt your feelings.
Vi also cares, but not about feelings.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 350d
What does tmux think?
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 350d
Tmux is feelings and empathy rolled into the terminal multiplexer we never knew we needed.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
No, that's Zellij
olafurp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
Tmux can make you feel all the feelings simultaneously
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 348d
Idk if it’s simultaneous, but it definitely makes it really easy to jump between the feelings rapidly
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 350d
Multiplexing
jj4211@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 349d
But with Linux, you can init=/bin/vim
Why settle for running vim on your os when vim can just be your os?
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 349d
✨EXACTLY✨
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
I like your funny words magic man
nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 348d
you can still start a shell or /sbin/init from within vim, in the odd case you'd need it!
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
Forget GNU/Linux, VIM/Linux is where it is at.
But say it too loud and we are going to end up with a systemd-vim
nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 348d
systemd-vim gave me nightmares, thanks!!
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 350d
I'm glad I noticed what community this was posted in before I responded.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 349d
da penguin!!!!
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 349d
This is the right answer
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 13 pts · 350d
It's free and runs stuff good.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 349d
Number one, I get to tell people that I use Arch. I could anyway, but this way I'm not lying.
Number two, it's not Micro$oft or Crapple.
Number three, living in my mother's basement isn't as cost effective as I was hoping it'd be so free helps immensely.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 349d
If I did daily drive Linux I would probably use arch or Nixos so I could flex
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 349d
Use NixOS and run Arch in a VM.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 349d
….genius
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 349d
It's because I use Arch. 😏
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 348d
Nothing. I hate having control over my personal property.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 11 pts · 349d
Well, you actually own it for one, given Linux is an open platform, you're generally not at some corporation's will unlike with closed platforms like Windows or even macOS, you're also not arbitrarily locked out of running it on hardware made before a certain date unlike with Win11; as long as the kernel supports it, it should run on your hardware, where Windows arbitrarily locks out anything older than Zen+ or Kaby Lake without a modded install medium starting with Win11, and it generally uses less resources than Windows nowadays although that varies based on configuration.
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 349d
Linux tends to get out of your way to let you get shit done. Windows tends to be a marketing platform for Microsoft products that lets you get shit done.
I don't see why my office computer needs some xbox app I can't uninstall.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 349d
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 349d
Seriously, do people pay for windows? I've transitioned one copy I got on my laptop a dozen years ago through a few separate pc builds. And duplicated another key, which was quite easy. The verifications for windows are super easy to bypass by a non-tech intelligent user
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 349d
Yes. When you buy your computer, the cost of Windows is added onto the computer's cost. Just for context, a Dell XPS 13 Laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled is £1,149.01, with Windows it's £1,199.00. When you get the chance to have Linux preinstalled or even just have no OS pre installed, you find it's cheaper than having Windows Preinstalled.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 349d
That's for laptops, not desktops
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 349d
It's the same for desktops. There's no difference between Operating systems for laptops or desktops. Your can use the same install media for both with little to no difference.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 349d
Windows does not come with a desktop, unless you're buying pre built, in which case you don't mind spending extra money for the same product
Xatolos@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 349d
How many basic users do you think build their own desktops and not just buy a pre built?
This was about how many normal people buy Windows, not how many of a very small percentage/niche buy Windows. Please don't move the goal post mid-game.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 344d
For desktops, I would assume most people are building their own, yes.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 350d
No spyware, much better performance and wear on your hardware. Actual control over your devices. The downside is, linux is complicated and a pain to learn how to use or maintain. Windows is easy to use but so is a vtech laptop which is essentiallly the trade off. It used to be that windows was easy to use and open as a platform, but microsoft is doing everything in its power to ruin windows. The modern developers also really suck and the modern codebase is buggy as hell. The OS kills your harddisks and ssds, even before the new broekn update because they are constantly scanning your files to send signitures to palantir or whatever. They are removing basic functionality and a few years from now I imagine you wont even be allowed to close or open apps, like with Android. It will just be full of ads and spyware and you will have to pay a subscription to use it or something. People have been jumping ship because at this point continuing to use windows is just going to make your life painful in the future.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 350d
Speak for yourself there mate lol
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -6 pts · 350d
Linux is objectivly hard to use. Sure if you use it everyday for years and years and memorize all the commands and stuff, you can probably figure out most stuff without searching, but as someone who has only been using Linux for a few years, and is a mere amature C++ programmer, installing anything or even doing basic tasks is often a multi hour process, that requires a snack and a nap afterwards, with a maybe 50% success rate. Just adding a script to autorun at boot was something that took me a few hours and probably dozens of lines of shell. Im moving to debian soon though, which should maybe help since i dont have to deal with containers and and overlay filesystem and all that nonsense. Linux really needs to lean into UI development, simplicity, and intutive design. I still struggle to find files in linux without links. KDE has come a long way in recent years. I can now do things like scale my screen size without hours of research, shell hacking, and autoruns. Linux will never become mainstream unless the typical user can do nearly everything without ever touching the shell. That has always been the thing that has held Linux back besides game compatability. Now that valve is finally creating a more normie friendly version of linux with game compatability and a sort of complete UI. It might actually overtake windows. Its still a massive pain in the butt compared to windows- double click an exe or msi to install your software. If i need to find a file on Windows, I don't even need a search function. I can just find it in less then a minute. Linux definitly has some big flaws and bad design decisions. Modern womdows isnoretty terrible compared to 7 and before but it is still much easier to use for almost every task.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 9 pts · 350d
From what I remember Mint is probably the most brain dead easy Distros you could use. Almost everything has a GUI if I remember. Its mainly a mix of what Distro/DE you use and how much you want to tinker.
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 350d
Elementary and Ubuntu as well these days. Dead simple.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 350d
Good to know, i havnt researched mint much, but im trying to find the most simple system so i can learn linux on a deep level. Basically the temple OS or Dos or windows XP of linux. Not simple as in UI but in file system and stuff. Debian lets me install KDE which i like so the UI side is fine. Its a bit trickier to understand overlay file systems and stuff.
Maybe half of the software I use is in the discover store. I for whatever reason end up using quite a bit of niche software. I have improved a good bit with installing from scripts and stuff. Sometimes i need to install stuff into the OS tree to get it to work and use propeitary binaries. Installing java, AI dev tools, certian versions of Python to get software to work or compile Its annoying, but im moving to debian which should help with many of these things if i can manage to get it installed.
MrScruff@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 349d
Managing multiple versions of python and other dev tooling can be made simple with something like:
https://mise.jdx.dev/
Or
https://asdf-vm.com/
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
Thxs that is useful knowledge.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 349d
You are delusional.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 1 pts · 350d
If you want to learn about Linux on a deeper level Mint is probably not the best choice for it, since it aims at providing a Distros for non tech literate users. For this goal I would recommend Arch Linux, since the installation an maintaining teaches you quite a bit. Main Problem is, that Arch is sometimes quite unstable. If you like to suffer to learn you can also try out Gentoo or NixOS or crea[e your own Linux with Linux from scratch.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
I would try arch one day except i have a job lol
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 2 pts · 349d
It is Not that Bad. The installation isnt that hard, if you use a tutorial. In terms of maintaining its mostly a "hit or miss" scenario. I heard from people who had no issues at all and from people who ran into issues all of the time. I can say, that I did not have that much problems. In about 2 years of relative frequent use of arch I only bricked my system once, leading to my is being unfixable and me having to reinstall the whole OS. I ran into smaller problems of which, except for one, where I found a manual temporary workaround and couldn't bother to fix it completely, all could be fixed. I would not recommend to use it on a machine, where you can't risk eventually having to fix it for one or two days.
Muaddib@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 350d
pacman -S [software]That was easy.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 3 pts · 350d
Alternatively yay install [software] or flatpak install [software]
dabster291@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 350d
Or even any of the multitude of GUI stores that exist, one of which will probably come pre-installed on your system if you're using a just-works distro.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 349d
Or
yay [software]and pick out the software you want to install from a list.Zexks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
Now youve overwritten older dependencies and three of your other programs now shit the bed.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
pacman exists specifically to solve dependency issues and prevent that exact scenario
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 350d
Windows is objectively hard to use, and makes it harder to use with every release. I wasn't saying Linux is particularly easy (though depending on the distro I'd say it's definitely easier than Windows), but more that feeling like windows is easy to use is just being used to it.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
The difference is really, I dont have to look stuff up usually to change things on windows. In linux you have to do most things with obscure shell commands and arguments that i dont know.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
How many years of Windows experience do you have?
If you had that many years of experience on Linux then the shell commands and arguments wouldn’t be obscure.
Now’s the best time to learn, there’s a lot of other beginners now so the Linux communities are full of people learning at the same time as you would be.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
I find linux to usually be logical. In windows everything appears to be completely random.
It has a lot to do with familiarity, but design choices also play a part.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
True
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 350d
i have handed fedora kionite to a non-techie who was super happy with it, cuz it looks like windows, but most of the things you need, you can safely get via discover.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 350d
Some things i can get from discover but many things i use i have to manulally install. I just dont want to deal with containers and ostree and stuff. Maybe in the future i will.
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d
fair, but considering that you mentioned autoruns and such, i guess you need more specialised things anyways, so maybe kionite just isn’t for you. i don’t use it either, but for my normie friends who need nothing but a browser, office, and mby steam (in that case mby bazzite), its awesome
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
I will probably write a script to autorun everything i have in a folder or something eventually i think.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 1 pts · 349d
What niche stuff are you manually installing that somehow takes hours on Linux, and is instant and easy on Windows?
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
Stuff like java, tetrd, local AI stuff.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 1 pts · 349d
Why do those take you hours to install on Linux and no time on Windows?
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 349d
I've been using Mint and KDE Neon on two of my machines for the past year, and I still have to search for how to install an app image properly.
Its one of those things that isn't the end of the world, and I guess there are increasing numbers of Snap/Flatpak packages. And, of course apt. And whatever application manager your distro comes with.
But some software is available either to be compiled by the user, or as an app image. And I don't understand why that image can't just be dropped in an application folder and run, the same way it works in macOS.
But I'm a relative noob. I assume there's a historical reason.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 349d
Well im sure that's true for most people who just browse the web and stuff, but I do many complex things with my PC. Double clicking an installer is just always easier to install software. That was the first big mistake of linux tbh. Not having a standard gui type way to install 3rd party software. App stores are cool, dont get me wrong, but its not a replacement for just double clicking a downloaded file that interacts with a standard set of tools on your PC. I know there are reasons for this, linux is only a kernel and what not. I have been using windows since idk 95 i think when i was like 6 years old. It is definitly way easier to do just about anything. That is because windows was designed to be as simple and cross compatible as possible. Xp and 7 were the best versions of windows unless you were too dumb to avoid getting malware or something. For whatever reason, most people were too dumb to avoid getting maleware because they hard no artistic sense. I could always detect the quality of the mind which made a website, and i knew bad artists were the ones who likely had bad morals, and had malware. Also personality. It was simple for me to avoid malware and i never did get it, maybe twice over like 20 years.
Windows died and so i started to use linux a few years ago. The hardest thing i ever had to do in windows was probably link libraries in C++, almost everything in linux is that hard. The people who make linux just will never understand that the average user will never want to spend hundreds of hours a year maintaining their system. 90% of people cannot even understand if a simple logical statement is true or not. Half of them can barely read. Kid these days dont even know how to use something thats not a touch screen, older people over 60% of them cant send an email without help, and these people are supposed to download xrandr for their linux machine and create a custom startup script in system d, to make their tv display correctly? Madness. I feel like i may have walked into a cult. If you guys are like Linux devs, that is extreamly cool fr, atleast to me, but you are delusional if you think linux is easier to use then windows. It has come a long way. Bazzite is the first distro that i feel comfortable recomending to normies, and i recomend it to many people who are trying to escape the trashpile that is modern windows. Learning liinux has been difficult though, maybe because i dont have tons of free time and energy anymore like when i was younger. It is coming a long way however thxs to lord gaben and his push to make linux more mainstream, so the personal PC market doesnt die completly with whatever the hell microsoft and apple are doing these days, probably trying to micromanage their users, e force moral sogma, and use nudge theory on them because the people who run most companies in America are actually dumb incels at this point.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 350d
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 350d
MacOS software is extremely easy to install. Drag package icon from mounted drive (with auto popup) to Applications.
michaelnik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 350d
It's even easier with Brew: have terminal window open, type
brew install librewolf& if MacOS complains,xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/LibreWolf.app(for example to get a nice bland browser without corporate spyware). Every now and then,brew upgrade librewolf.baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 350d
I didn’t even want to bring up brew, which is also great. I know it’s cool to hate on MacOS, but for both “getting shit done” and mostly “just working” (drivers, etc) I think MacOS is the best intersection of those needs. The hardware is also easily the best available.
Zexks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
Lmfao. You people dont even listen to yourselves
"Its even easier here. Just open a console and type in gibberish"
This is not a thing outside of linux.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 350d
What you're used to is easy, what you don't know is hard. People are creatures of habit and don't like change.
Nothing new here.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 350d
After this last windows 10 update, now windows hangs on cryptographic service. There's no fix for this shit and no hope to fixing my computer.... My HDD...but I restart boot my default OS Linux on its own SSD from Grub. If I want to go suffer I reboot into the piece of shit windows system. So that's the appeal of Linux.
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 350d
Everyone ends up going back to windows for the better user experience anyway. Which is why Linux is an acronym for Linux Is Not UX (user experience).
Twakyr@feddit.org · 8 pts · 350d
Yes, windows is definitely the king of user experience, with no other os I had the privilege of being able to max out my ram in idle while having Microsoft and google spy on my every move… the ui is another thing, who doesn’t love to have an inconsistent ui, you have to pay for to customise it :3
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
I know I'm a weirdo, but I prefer the terminal, that's why I made the switch to Linux from windows 17 years ago.
thericofactor@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 350d
It's free. What is vim?
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 350d
An Emacs clone.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 2 pts · 350d
Which is a nano clone.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 349d
Which is a Windows Notepad clone
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 350d
A bad emacs clone
mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud · 2 pts · 350d
Vi improved
ddplf@szmer.info · 2 pts · 350d
it's like visual studio bro
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 6 pts · 349d
Wanted to reply until I saw its a shitpost... You nearly had me :D
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 349d
But I also do spend 8 hours a work day coding in Vim not on Linux. Just to clarify, I’m also not using Windows (gross).
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 1 pts · 349d
Thats okay, but why ask a question in a shitpost Lemmy and not Linux?
If somebody is posting on shitpost I clearly think the are trolling
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 349d
Because 99% of Lemmy has already made up its mind. At least that my perception. Maybe I’m wrong
aivoton@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 349d
moleverine@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
What finally pushed me over the edge was when I was trying to fix something in Windows and it said I couldn’t access that part of the OS. Bitch, you work for me, not the other way around. I’ve flopped back and forth between Linux and Windows for decades and just decided that anything I couldn’t do in Linux I just wouldn’t do. So far, I haven’t really encountered anything. With how much of my average computing is done in a browser these days, Firefox doesn’t really care which OS it’s running on.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 350d
Linux does not care if the user is still in the vim age or has already progressed to good editors.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 6 pts · 350d
Exactly, like neovim for example.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 350d
Ok I lied. I don’t actually use vim, I use neovim. But I don’t daily drive Linux or windows, and neovim does kinda unify my local editing vs ssh experience. So only 50% a shitpost.
I mean, I use vim when I have to, but I have a pretty crazy neovim config I prefer. Also shoutout to stow for helping me sync my neovim config across systems.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 350d
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
Helix
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
Nearly everything that edits text. Maybe with the lone exception of edlin or sed.
Tedesche@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
It’s supposedly easier to breath with your nose angled that high up in the air.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 350d
Yes, but the air is also thinner up here
mvirts@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
It's all about the penguins
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 348d
kerm@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
It depends on the user. If you'll install GNU/Linux distribution as a nooby, choose some easy distribution - most probably it will install a lot of bloatware, and possibly could be unstable... But if you'll go into details and learn the basic you could install some better distro, which you will install manually, and you will install all you need, no bloat. If you will, here are the perks:
Me, as a.. I would say half a professional GNU/Linux user, would recommend Void Linux for half-experienced or experienced user, because I like the runit init system and the stability, even though it's rolling model.
But for a newbie... I don't know. All of them I tried - they had problems. So it's better to either endure, either start from a not-so-hard distro like Void Linux.
EDIT: oh yeah.. I read a lot of comments here and I would also add that the system is free, open-source (with Linux-libre), and it's also not so bad at gaming since Steam made Proton, a fork of Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator). I also game sometimes and I use Lutris.. Don't know if there any other cooler alternative heh.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
I honestly don’t know. Every OS has its goods & bads. But generally I think it just comes down to whatever’s available. Personally, I use:
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 350d
Similar here but in reverse
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 349d
But I pretty much just need Tmux, Neovim, and a browser for 80% of my work and I’m happy. 10% of that is running an XCode build and the other 10% is macOS and iOS working really nicely together.
xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day · 2 pts · 348d
I like forward slashes
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 350d
Extra work
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 349d
Vim is kinda like a game. Except instead of a, s, w, d its h, j, k, l
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 348d
And, if you’re new it’s also an escape room.
Grimtuck@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 350d
That when I eventually get sound working again I can feel good about fixing something. One month now without sound and having to use Windows. Will probably have to reinstall because I've tried everything that could find on the internet to fix it without success.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -9 pts · 349d
Makes dumb people feel smart.
Gives people who lack agency in life something they use to look down on others, despite no one caring.
For a tiny majority that have them. It is a useful red flag for your loved ones, that the slide of mental illness continues.
They secretly desire to be seen as hackers by others; reality is they are hacks.
They lack the ability to enjoy self deprecating humor and handle feelings but this is most often expressed by downvoting.
The inky blackness of terminal screens to sates their inner emo.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 349d
LOL me writing this, using neovim and a split keyboard to make me feel smart. There is definitly some truth to this. But I never look down upon people for not using the technology I choose. People on here can be really annoying. It’s like the virtue signaling Linux.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 349d
WHAT KEYBOARD DO YOU HAVE????????? (I want a nice split one at some point to prevent pains and stuff)
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 349d
Kinesis Advantage 360 Pro. Pretty sure it was refurbished by Kinesis for a discount
kadup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d
They are all downvoting my shit comment to a shitpost, so they're all proving it correct.
Most people who use Linux don't tie their personality to it. I've long suspected that Lemmy has few of those.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 349d
You really want attention, don't you?
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 349d
It's a shit posting sub. This is how it works. It's not anyone's safe place. Feelings are the punchline here.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 349d
But you're not, like, being clever or fun. It's just really crude self validating antagonism where you declare that any engagement is you winning.
It's crass, juvenile, disingenuous, unsophisticated, and, worst of all; not providing anything to your audience, not even trying to be funny. It serves only to highlight your vices.
Which, you know, can come off if youve got some literary chops, if you ride the lightning between kauffman and plath, or try to do your best rick sanchez. But this isn't that. It's not even a failed attempt to be that. You're using your computer as an excuse to ignore the humanity of others so you can abuse that humanity for human validation.
It is an inchoate display of the ugliness that chokes your otherwise empty little heart.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 348d
You like the sound of your own typing.
fakeplastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -11 pts · 350d
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
I genuinely cannot imagine having my head this far up my own ass.
fakeplastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 350d