He doubled down when called out. Claimed 'anyone else would do the same' and threatened to sue anyone criticizing his actions. Zero remorse or reflection.
Also like he got it before it reached the kid's hand. So technically it was fair game and legal, but holyshit psyociopathically and shamefully immoral.
I bet he underpays his employees as immorally yet legaly possible thus increasing slaveowners' shareholders' returns as the successful CEO he is
You don't see them agreeing with this, but it isn't because of logic. They're selfish. That's their defining trait they have in common. They think they should be allowed to do anything they want because they have the power to do so. It follows that if you have the power to kill them that it's legitimate. They won't agree because it isn't in their favor, but the logic is consistent.
It's why they are CEOs and it's also why they get their company's to make so much money.
Multiply the behavior of stealing things from children a million fold and that's how CEOs make money for the company. They don't get to that position by being nice and adhering to morals.
It’s also heavily implied the player knows the rich asshole, since the asshole funds part of the tournament. Meaning he could have gotten a signed hat at any moment but decided he wanted to steal one from a child instead. He then doubles down and laughs at the kid and everyone else calling them losers while threatening legal action against anyone who calls him out. I heard he has now contacted the player to get a hold of the kid to “make it right” so it sounds like his company is now holding his feet to the fire.
Yeah look at the grin on his face, he enjoys knowing that he has it and others don’t, he enjoyed grabbing it from that kid, and he’ll smile anytime he looks at it or tells the story about how he took it. This is the mentality of the vast majority of CEOs
Paul Piff is a social psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. He studies how wealth — or the lack of wealth — can affect behavior.
His studies include running rigged games of Monopoly, tracking how those who drive expensive cars behave behind the wheel, and even determining that rich people are more likely to take candy from children than the less well-off. He writes, "I have been finding that increased wealth and status in society lead to increased self-focus and, in turn, decreased compassion, altruism, and ethical behavior."
Did they also do any research into some kind of local proportion to their surroundings where the ratio of wealth had a cutoff point where people became less "human", as I will call it? Like for instance, I'm doing quite well financially, a lot better than my friends. But I'm not any different towards them since this started. Maybe I'd become less caring and compassionate once I reach a certain point? Once I get enough money?
Also curious about the correlation vs causation in that quote:
finding that increased wealth and status in society lead to increased self-focus and, in turn, decreased compassion, altruism, and ethical behavior
The Monopoly test seems to cover the causation question pretty well. Select one player at random and give them extra money or property at the start of the game, with all players being aware. The advantaged players become more anti-social in their play, and after the game will self-rate their "skill" level much higher than the disadvantaged players, downplaying the impact of their advantage.
Power and wealth are associated with the dark triad (narcissism, machiavellianism, psychopathy). This has been known since the time of monarchies and before.
Right, but when we say "the vast majority of CEOs", were talking about a lot of CEOs. Remember, there are a lot of people who run small businesses who aren't extremely wealthy who are still CEO of their company. I doubt the "vast majority" of them are pieces of shit like this guy.
I would argue that aspiring to power and wealth, making it your sole purpose in life, creates the necessary conditions for the dark triad to take root. So essentially every CEO has a little of this inside them, mainly because they're more beholden to capital than to treating people / animals / the earth well or fairly.
Your comment is making a lot of assumptions here, I barely know where to start.
aspiring to power and wealth
Bundling them together might not be necessary. I myself aspire to have (enough) wealth, like we all do. That doesn't mean I'm interested in power as well.
Aspiring to have wealth doesn't really mean you have to make it your sole purpose in life either.
Then you assume every CEO aspires to have wealth and power. Both. Not necessarily true. Just because you have your own business doesn't mean you aspire to have wealth, even. You could be running a laundromat or something making ends meet month by month, but you're happy with that, and you're the CEO. All possible and plausible. And you care for your employees.
Plenty of businesses/CEOs want to treat their employees well as well. Especially the small ones. They are still CEOs though.
You see where I'm getting at? Having the stamp of "CEO" I think is irrelevant. I think it's more about acquiring enough power through wealth that is the real danger. Now, mostly CEOs get to do that, but #notallCEOs. Definitely not the "vast majority".
And then you get photographic evidence of them being just the worst, and somehow they're the victim and you're the bad guy for documenting how shitty they are. Fuck I hate these people.
Given the current state of things, they're being more entitled assholes. They're throwing their weight around harder because the powers-that-be and techbros are throwing away what they call DEI policies, and dusting off traditional hierarchies and stereotypes for restoration.
It’s cause we won’t eat em. It’s never gonna happen either with how many poor people worship them, and how places like Reddit and Lemmy will ban you if you call for guillotines
it is not "lemmy" bans you for calling for Guillotines, it is Lemmy.world that banns you for calling for reasonable solutions. Watch, I Red Army Dog Cooper, want to guliteen all bilionares
I mean suit your self, I have been critical of both, and if you would like I could leavy a criticism now and you can report it, I doubt I will be banned for that action, nor have my comment removed.
Also Sure, you dont like the way our instance is moderated, I have never seen an actual issue with it, beyond the concern trolling, however I understand, my comment was in reference to the origional comment implying that all of lemmy does not allow saying "All Bilionares deserve the guliteen" If your instance does, and your users are all fine with it, I have no issues, just dont go and say its all of us who are doing it.
Please mind some instances have rules against doxxing. Somehow we seem to have forgot about that one rule, and sure hope no one would use our research/factcheck community !dociekliwosc@szmer.info for such posts.
// Your friendly anarchistic Polish lemmy instance hosted outside of EU/US jurisdictions.
EDIT: i completely missed the point 🤦♂️, sorry. keeping the original comment for context..
Won't someone please think of the bougies...
Who fucking cares? They make life miserable for everybody else because they won the birthplace lottery and it'd be in their FULL interest to continue running their businesses that only they and their family line get to reap most of the profits from.
You Western opportunists calling yourselves "anarchists" are only tolerated because you're too meek to actually dare standing up against your bougie rulers and will fold like this in mere seconds to "play by the rules" and "maintain calm in the midst of chaos".
What’s up with the dude handing the kid a pen right after without even looking, like they know each other and this action was expected? Is that CEO the kid’s dad or something?
Because that changes the situation a lot from “gross capitalists do anything for personal gain and must be stopped” to “dad snags hat from his kid but it doesn’t matter because they’re all going home on the same plane, probably a private one because gross capitalists do anything for personal gain and must be stopped“.
Look at the kid’s face when he takes it. He’s heartbroken, says ‘no!’ and nearly starts crying. He spends the rest of the video trying to get the player to sign his ball instead. The pass-off of the pen appeared to be because pens for signing were being passed down – it wasn’t his pen. The boy not only didn’t get the hat, but his ball wasn’t signed (which appears to have been what he was waiting for, and the hat was meant to take the place of his ball being signed).
And even if it was his son (which it doesn’t seem to be), this is still arsehole behaviour – lean in and share the moment, don’t take it from him like this.
e: and if it truly was his son, that’s even more sad, because that means dad is acting like I’d expect a rude stranger to act.
Worth mentioning that Drog Bruk translates to Road Pavement. There are multiple drogbruk companies in Poland, and you need to be sure you have the right drogbruk in your sights if you want to express your displeasure towards Piotr.
Also worth mentioning, here's his apology- however shitty of an apology it may be, one does exist.
Look around at the other people in the audience - others are holding sharpies. They probably brought their own in anticipation/hope of getting signatures. (I've done the same thing at concerts.)
We didn't see before this clip, it's possible the kid handed the player his own sharpie when asking for a signature. That would mean that when the kid is handed the sharpie at the end, it's being given back to its original owner.
101 Comments
HyonoKo@lemmy.ml · 251 pts · 348d
This attitude is probably what made him a CEO in the first place.
greenskye@lemmy.zip · 123 pts · 348d
He doubled down when called out. Claimed 'anyone else would do the same' and threatened to sue anyone criticizing his actions. Zero remorse or reflection.
silasmariner@programming.dev · 29 pts · 348d
Lol you can't sue for defamation if your actions are on film 🤣
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 347d
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 348d
I wish he'd double over instead from being hit in the balls hard.
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
Also like he got it before it reached the kid's hand. So technically it was fair game and legal, but holyshit psyociopathically and shamefully immoral.
I bet he underpays his employees as immorally yet legaly possible thus increasing
slaveowners'shareholders' returns as the successful CEO he isLillyPip@lemmy.ca · 193 pts · 348d
Continuing to prove CEOs are leeches with no morals.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 116 pts · 348d
The CEO wants you to know he won it fair and square
Sterling@lemmy.zip · 67 pts · 348d
Here's a contact form for his company if you'd like to give him feedback.
https://www.drogbruk.pl/kontakt/
LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 348d
Thank you, submitted:
Powinieneś się wstydzić. Jakiż jesteś małym, małostkowym człowiekiem.
I hope my sentiment made it through my translator.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 348d
Yup, as native Polish speaker i can tell you it does contain quite some disdain.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 347d
Lmao they took the site down
Sterling@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 347d
Cowards.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 348d
I bested a small child. Why won’t you worship me? Lol.
Thanks for that. It’s so much worse. Whether fake or not, it’s hilarious. e: it's fake, and hilarious.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 348d
I mean, if thats the rule...
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 348d
With that attitude, if you kill him it's perfectly fine. You won fairly, so it's legitimate.
leftthegroup@lemmings.world · 6 pts · 347d
wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 347d
It's because he was rational with empathy- he should've doubled down on how weak the opposition was. CEOs love a good psycho, right?
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 347d
You don't see them agreeing with this, but it isn't because of logic. They're selfish. That's their defining trait they have in common. They think they should be allowed to do anything they want because they have the power to do so. It follows that if you have the power to kill them that it's legitimate. They won't agree because it isn't in their favor, but the logic is consistent.
leftthegroup@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 347d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 348d
No fucking way, is that actually real? This guy really wrote and posted this?
onlooker@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 348d
There's only this screenshot and a screenshot of the supposed original email in Polish floating around, so we can't really say for sure. But I will say it looks damning as all hell.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 348d
So like... is he taking challengers for the hat or what?
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 347d
It's always "winning" for these people against people (here a kid) that can't defend themselves. It's almost like a trait with these fucks.
And it's comically sad this has a huge draw for some statistically significant number of people.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 55 pts · 348d
It's why they are CEOs and it's also why they get their company's to make so much money.
Multiply the behavior of stealing things from children a million fold and that's how CEOs make money for the company. They don't get to that position by being nice and adhering to morals.
over_clox@lemmy.world · 117 pts · 348d
What a piece of shit.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 31 pts · 348d
What a piece of fucking shit
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 109 pts · 348d
Noblesavage@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 348d
They see me rollin'
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 84 pts · 348d
Fun fact: The guy's company produces paving stones, pretty handy to throw.
Fun fact two: Kid ultimately got another hat from the tennis player after the case got blown up and the player contacted him.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 347d
It’s also heavily implied the player knows the rich asshole, since the asshole funds part of the tournament. Meaning he could have gotten a signed hat at any moment but decided he wanted to steal one from a child instead. He then doubles down and laughs at the kid and everyone else calling them losers while threatening legal action against anyone who calls him out. I heard he has now contacted the player to get a hold of the kid to “make it right” so it sounds like his company is now holding his feet to the fire.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 347d
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 348d
He’s a CEO, of course he’s a vile piece of shit who would steal from a child. Throw him in a volcano
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
No, you don't want to make a volcano angry.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 347d
The volcano will get indigestion, poor thing
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 347d
You gotta throw the CEO into the depth of the oceans. We must keep Dagon happily asleep.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
You’ll awaken Cthulhu!
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 347d
We had a good run as humanity. It’s time to awaken Cthulhu.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
In the book, they hype up Chthulu, then just run him over in a boat and sail away, while he goes back home and goes to sleep.
Kinda disappointing.
victorz@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 348d
"Drogbruk" means drug use in Swedish. Company name checks out.
What an absolute cunt. What could you possibly need so badly that you rip it from the grasp of a child, when you are a CEO.
pdxfed@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 348d
Greed is not about need.
kautau@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 348d
Yeah look at the grin on his face, he enjoys knowing that he has it and others don’t, he enjoyed grabbing it from that kid, and he’ll smile anytime he looks at it or tells the story about how he took it. This is the mentality of the vast majority of CEOs
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 348d
Wish I was there I bet his ass until he hands back the hat. Fucker meds a beating.
victorz@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 348d
Is that truly knowable?
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 36 pts · 348d
Experimentally, yes.
https://www.npr.org/2014/04/04/295360962/does-money-make-you-mean
victorz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
Did they also do any research into some kind of local proportion to their surroundings where the ratio of wealth had a cutoff point where people became less "human", as I will call it? Like for instance, I'm doing quite well financially, a lot better than my friends. But I'm not any different towards them since this started. Maybe I'd become less caring and compassionate once I reach a certain point? Once I get enough money?
Also curious about the correlation vs causation in that quote:
Tinidril@midwest.social · 6 pts · 348d
The Monopoly test seems to cover the causation question pretty well. Select one player at random and give them extra money or property at the start of the game, with all players being aware. The advantaged players become more anti-social in their play, and after the game will self-rate their "skill" level much higher than the disadvantaged players, downplaying the impact of their advantage.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Does that make them a piece of shit though?
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 348d
Power and wealth are associated with the dark triad (narcissism, machiavellianism, psychopathy). This has been known since the time of monarchies and before.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
Right, but when we say "the vast majority of CEOs", were talking about a lot of CEOs. Remember, there are a lot of people who run small businesses who aren't extremely wealthy who are still CEO of their company. I doubt the "vast majority" of them are pieces of shit like this guy.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 347d
I would argue that aspiring to power and wealth, making it your sole purpose in life, creates the necessary conditions for the dark triad to take root. So essentially every CEO has a little of this inside them, mainly because they're more beholden to capital than to treating people / animals / the earth well or fairly.
victorz@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 347d
Your comment is making a lot of assumptions here, I barely know where to start.
Bundling them together might not be necessary. I myself aspire to have (enough) wealth, like we all do. That doesn't mean I'm interested in power as well.
Aspiring to have wealth doesn't really mean you have to make it your sole purpose in life either.
Then you assume every CEO aspires to have wealth and power. Both. Not necessarily true. Just because you have your own business doesn't mean you aspire to have wealth, even. You could be running a laundromat or something making ends meet month by month, but you're happy with that, and you're the CEO. All possible and plausible. And you care for your employees.
Plenty of businesses/CEOs want to treat their employees well as well. Especially the small ones. They are still CEOs though.
You see where I'm getting at? Having the stamp of "CEO" I think is irrelevant. I think it's more about acquiring enough power through wealth that is the real danger. Now, mostly CEOs get to do that, but #notallCEOs. Definitely not the "vast majority".
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 348d
You don't become a CEO by being caring and considerate.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 348d
In Polish it's portmanteau of droga (road) + bruk (paving stones), since his company produce paving stones.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 347d
Interesting that CEO’s are idiots globally. It’s almost like you have to steal from people in order to accumulate big money.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 347d
The lack of morals, ethics, and shame also help.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 346d
And then you get photographic evidence of them being just the worst, and somehow they're the victim and you're the bad guy for documenting how shitty they are. Fuck I hate these people.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 61 pts · 347d
This is TERRIBLE! That his Company is being DOXXED! Let the CEO LIVE in PEACE while he Steals from Children!
-Conservatives!
Bassman1805@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 347d
That is pretty much exactly what the guy's public statement about this incident said.
YashaB@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 347d
A CEO has to do what a CEO has to do.
It is for the good of the stock owners.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 348d
Doesn't matter, they'll delete all the 1 star reviews afterwards.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 348d
Given the current state of things, they're being more entitled assholes. They're throwing their weight around harder because the powers-that-be and techbros are throwing away what they call DEI policies, and dusting off traditional hierarchies and stereotypes for restoration.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 348d
It’s cause we won’t eat em. It’s never gonna happen either with how many poor people worship them, and how places like Reddit and Lemmy will ban you if you call for guillotines
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 347d
it is not "lemmy" bans you for calling for Guillotines, it is Lemmy.world that banns you for calling for reasonable solutions. Watch, I Red Army Dog Cooper, want to guliteen all bilionares
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 347d
I mean suit your self, I have been critical of both, and if you would like I could leavy a criticism now and you can report it, I doubt I will be banned for that action, nor have my comment removed.
Also Sure, you dont like the way our instance is moderated, I have never seen an actual issue with it, beyond the concern trolling, however I understand, my comment was in reference to the origional comment implying that all of lemmy does not allow saying "All Bilionares deserve the guliteen" If your instance does, and your users are all fine with it, I have no issues, just dont go and say its all of us who are doing it.
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 348d
Auli@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 347d
The people we'll never rise up we must like being oppressed.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 347d
meliante@lemmy.pt · 20 pts · 348d
Put him on blast!
huquad@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 348d
Luigi get the gat!
regedit@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 347d
This vacuum cleaner goes ratta-tat-tat!
::: spoiler ummm I think that's how guns sound :::
kolektyw_szmer@szmer.info · 15 pts · 348d
Please mind some instances have rules against doxxing. Somehow we seem to have forgot about that one rule, and sure hope no one would use our research/factcheck community !dociekliwosc@szmer.info for such posts.
// Your friendly anarchistic Polish lemmy instance hosted outside of EU/US jurisdictions.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 347d
You can’t doxx a public figure who is publicly posting their contact info
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -15 pts · 347d
Yes, you can. The idea is that it's not your job specifically to provide that information, as public as it may be.
leftthegroup@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 347d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 347d
leftthegroup@lemmings.world · 6 pts · 347d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 347d
Ohhhh, I'm supposed to guess which word you think I'm using incorrectly?
leftthegroup@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 347d
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 347d
What if it is my job?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 347d
Sounds awful, can't you find a better use of your time?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 347d
Yes, and how will you add or contribute anything more at this point?
Samsuma@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 347d
EDIT: i completely missed the point 🤦♂️, sorry. keeping the original comment for context..
Won't someone please think of the bougies...
Who fucking cares? They make life miserable for everybody else because they won the birthplace lottery and it'd be in their FULL interest to continue running their businesses that only they and their family line get to reap most of the profits from.
You Western opportunists calling yourselves "anarchists" are only tolerated because you're too meek to actually dare standing up against your bougie rulers and will fold like this in mere seconds to "play by the rules" and "maintain calm in the midst of chaos".
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 347d
Samsuma@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 347d
i'm dumb, thanks for the clarification.
hotdogcharmer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
Read their post again.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
To be faaaaiiiiiiiir
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 348d
Worthless prick
4am@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 348d
What’s up with the dude handing the kid a pen right after without even looking, like they know each other and this action was expected? Is that CEO the kid’s dad or something?
Because that changes the situation a lot from “gross capitalists do anything for personal gain and must be stopped” to “dad snags hat from his kid but it doesn’t matter because they’re all going home on the same plane, probably a private one because gross capitalists do anything for personal gain and must be stopped“.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 48 pts · 348d
Look at the kid’s face when he takes it. He’s heartbroken, says ‘no!’ and nearly starts crying. He spends the rest of the video trying to get the player to sign his ball instead. The pass-off of the pen appeared to be because pens for signing were being passed down – it wasn’t his pen. The boy not only didn’t get the hat, but his ball wasn’t signed (which appears to have been what he was waiting for, and the hat was meant to take the place of his ball being signed).
And even if it was his son (which it doesn’t seem to be), this is still arsehole behaviour – lean in and share the moment, don’t take it from him like this.
e: and if it truly was his son, that’s even more sad, because that means dad is acting like I’d expect a rude stranger to act.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 346d
Remember after the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, the CEO of BP told reporters that "I just want my life to go back to normal?" Fuck CEOs.
EmpatheticTeddyBear@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
Was that his own kid by chance?
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 35 pts · 348d
No, it was a hat.
Sterling@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 348d
Kid looks to be full on crying so I'm leaning no.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 346d
Worth mentioning that Drog Bruk translates to Road Pavement. There are multiple drogbruk companies in Poland, and you need to be sure you have the right drogbruk in your sights if you want to express your displeasure towards Piotr.
Also worth mentioning, here's his apology- however shitty of an apology it may be, one does exist.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
Is the kid related to the CEO? The CEO handed the kid a sharpie right after.
edit: So apparently the kid isn't related. That makes the sharpie thing really weird. Was it just to try and distract the kid from crying?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 347d
No, he's not related to the kid.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Look around at the other people in the audience - others are holding sharpies. They probably brought their own in anticipation/hope of getting signatures. (I've done the same thing at concerts.)
We didn't see before this clip, it's possible the kid handed the player his own sharpie when asking for a signature. That would mean that when the kid is handed the sharpie at the end, it's being given back to its original owner.