Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will ... counter-seceede.
Go look up the Greater Idaho project.
There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to ... have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.
From a legal/constitutional perspective... this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.
Northern/Eastern CA + Southern OR will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of 'Jackson'.
There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades you are on.
So... yeah... if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came 'too close' to functionally doing that?
Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and 'official' state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap, and other major West Coast bases decide to do, as well as major city/regional/state police.
Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE... ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corps.
Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.
So, for starters, I am describing people by where they live, not how many live where.
Yes, of course, many more people live in major urban areas than other wise.
But it is still true that by area, there are many areas in WA and OR that are very highly Republican... presumably you have noticed the dramatic cultural difference between two of such of those areas.
Again, go actually look into the Greater Idaho project, a lot of these people are very serious about ... seceeding their counties from Dem dominant WA and OR state governments, to join ID's Rep dominant government.
This is a concerted political campaign that has been going on for over a decade and has gotten quite a lot of popular support in those counties via county level referendums.
.......
Further... the other point I am making is that the red areas are often quite extreme in their affinity for firearms.
It... does not take too many armed terrorists, militia cells, patriots, whatever you want to call them, to effectively terrorize or act as an insurgency in an area... especially if the official police are generally amenable to your movement... cops tend to be right wing authoritarians.
If you have ever lived in Portland or Seattle, I am sure you have observed the regular flooding in of non locals, from environs, whenever some kind major sport event, or public event occurs, or even just generally during work hours, good times to go shopping or clubbing or w/e.
Now just imagine that including some domestic terrorists.
........
This almost certainly would not play out as simply as the red and blue areas just... becoming their own nation states and then raising their own formal militaries to do battle with each other, where the red areas would lose simply by having less people or less industrial base.
No, civil wars, balkanization, sectarian violence, insurgency, occupation... is way way way more complicated than that.
Maybe go read up on how that went/is going in Iraq and Afghanistan or Syria or Ukraine... for some recently case studies on how complicated this can get.
As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.
Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you're at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.
And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn't do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.
I love when people throw around the idea of Canadian provinces just being up for grabs, as if we want anything to do with what's going on south of the border.
Technically, only a small section of California is part of the Cascadian region. But so is most of Idaho... And I think just about everybody would be happier if we made that trade.
The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn't been born yet.
Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange
Probably make us territories to start with full province status later. Joining Canada as provinces would be much more like Canada becoming the outer Pacific states. California alone has nearly the same population as the entirety of Canada.
Nevada joined the coalition back in 2020 during COVID when they had a Democrat governor. Now they have a republican governor who is mostly ineffectual at best and a Trump bootlicker at worst.
Said it before and I'll say it again: if Cascadia ever looks like it's gonna become a thing I'll drive myself there and be homeless rather than live in the US with a weakened and even more right wing Senate and house.
Provided I don't get stuck in a camp before then, I'm about to start nursing school. Once I have a BSN I'm getting my ass to a blue state. In the meantime it's SC and TX D:
Just creating this division is proof RFK should resign. We knew he was an activaxxer and against science, but enforcing his personal opinion on the entire country is unforgivable. At-risk children, elderly, and others will die because of his bias...
Very high concentrations of educated citizens among the populace, a functional tax system that actually reinvests into its people compared to many other states in the union (especially below the Mason-Dixon line), and key cities center to high-tech development and critical US industries, military or otherwise (Seattle, LA, San Jose, San Francisco).
Additionally, because these states were some of the last to be incorporated into the United States, they largely were able to develop in less rigid ways in the 20th and 21st centuries compared to other states in the union (Cheaper land also allowed developing industries like computing to invest heavily in the region).
Though not a perfect summation, here's a video from Vox about why Silicon Valley is located in California:
https://youtu.be/6xvrKW2H_hA
I can try to explain any other questions about our politics and social norms as a Californian (though I'm less familiar with Oregon and Washington State, sadly).
You hit on the core reason. Less rigidity. The east and south are much more traditional. They are slow to change tradition. That also makes them slow to adapt. It's a mindset. And the people who left those areas to go west did so with a more open mindset. And once it started that way, it was more or less established. If you like peer pressure from dead people, go east and south. If not, go west.
...the fuck are you on about? Don't lump the Northeast in with the South. Massachusetts is easily the most liberal state in the country, and it's not even really close and second place is Hawaii so still not West Coast.
If you want peer pressure from GOP funding Silicon Valley NIMBYs and weirdly conservative cannabis farmers go West. If you want a culture that prides itself on cutting you off in traffic while sipping a large extra extra around the Newport eternally stuck to your lower lip but at the same militantly defending your civil rights and social systems, come to New England. Or don't, we barely have snow anymore. I'll give that to the American West, better ski mountains.
Ya'know, it is odd now that you mention it. Out here in oregon we have a lot more "gray" days then out east. Yet I don't see as many people drinking coffee in the care compared to out east. You would think we would need it more.
Also odd, there is a clear difference in how traditional east coast companies are (and are allowed to be). Tech is my area, and it is very noticeable. Management hierarchies are much more rigid. Clothing/appearance expectations. Still a lot of golf played on company time. Diversity... I think the people are often liberal, but they don't seem to take much of that to the office. Oh, and more religion in the east than the west. Y'all still have blue laws in many states.
Common misconception for people outside of the US, Washington State =/= Washington, D.C. They're on opposite ends of the country, and don't have much in common in terms of how they are ran.
You're talking as if russia hasn't already infiltrated the US government and taken full control. right now the federal government is an illegitimate government acting as a puppet for the kremlin
The old saying of 'a conservative would let donald trump shit in their mouth if it meant a liberal had to smell it' can now be translated to 'a conservative will kill every last child in a red state if it means a child from a blue state will get a cough'
However Denmark has higher standards ie metric and universal healthcare being in use. Wouldn’t it be better to have more access to the European market?
for like half a century after the countries founding, there was no sewer system. So a giant lake of shit formed, practically behind the White House. It's thought a lot of the early presidents had their life shortened by cholera complications
Oh there are many places named Washington in the US!
There's a small city called Washington, PA. It's easy to find because it's also in Washington county!
If you find yourself in California, PA instead of Washington, PA then you made the same mistake as if you ended up in big-ass California instead of big-ass Washington: too far south!!
Oh yeah, you can also attend Washington and Jefferson College in Washington city in Washington county! :D
That's the old washington. We've had plenty of updates and fixed many of the issues for the new one. Good way to remember it is that the nation's capital is called Washington DC. DC is an Italian abbreviation for Da Capo which means from the beginning.
I could give less of a fuck if my friends and loved ones are being pulled into vans under the orders of some miserable politicians out east who never represented us.
If D.C. can fix their own shit, my tune will change. As of now, California's my refuge away from federal hell, and I don't see the flames extinguished yet.
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Sunshine@piefed.ca · 156 pts · 334d
I think blue states should bring in all in-house solutions to cut the middleman White House out of it. States rights!
mean_bean279@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 334d
We did that with CARB and now the feds are trying to stop it after decades of other states signing on because it worked so well here in Cali.
Shrubbery@piefed.social · 29 pts · 334d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Air_Resources_Board
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
considering how california alone is like 14% or whatever of the US GDP, i'd say they should just tell the federal government to suck eggs
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 49 pts · 334d
At the very least they need to hire these doctors and scientists that RFK Jr. fired so their wisdom and knowledge don't go to waste!
saltesc@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 334d
Oooh, the second US civil war may still be on but not in the way we first thought.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 334d
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 37 pts · 334d
It’s a good way to keep out garbage ICE invasions from LA.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 334d
Great, provided there is some version of the Nuremberg Trials for Silicon Valley techbro nazis.
They are welcome to fix their hearts or die.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 334d
The problem... or complication with this...
Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will ... counter-seceede.
Go look up the Greater Idaho project.
There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to ... have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.
From a legal/constitutional perspective... this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.
Northern/Eastern CA + Southern OR will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of 'Jackson'.
There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades you are on.
I've hastily cropped that image from this source:
https://brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/
So... yeah... if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came 'too close' to functionally doing that?
Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and 'official' state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap, and other major West Coast bases decide to do, as well as major city/regional/state police.
Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE... ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corps.
Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 334d
ronigami@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
How many people do you think live in Oregon?
The majority of Oregonians live in Portland metro area.
A similar stat can be found regarding Seattle metro, and Washington has more blue cities than OR.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 334d
So, for starters, I am describing people by where they live, not how many live where.
Yes, of course, many more people live in major urban areas than other wise.
But it is still true that by area, there are many areas in WA and OR that are very highly Republican... presumably you have noticed the dramatic cultural difference between two of such of those areas.
Again, go actually look into the Greater Idaho project, a lot of these people are very serious about ... seceeding their counties from Dem dominant WA and OR state governments, to join ID's Rep dominant government.
This is a concerted political campaign that has been going on for over a decade and has gotten quite a lot of popular support in those counties via county level referendums.
.......
Further... the other point I am making is that the red areas are often quite extreme in their affinity for firearms.
It... does not take too many armed terrorists, militia cells, patriots, whatever you want to call them, to effectively terrorize or act as an insurgency in an area... especially if the official police are generally amenable to your movement... cops tend to be right wing authoritarians.
If you have ever lived in Portland or Seattle, I am sure you have observed the regular flooding in of non locals, from environs, whenever some kind major sport event, or public event occurs, or even just generally during work hours, good times to go shopping or clubbing or w/e.
Now just imagine that including some domestic terrorists.
........
This almost certainly would not play out as simply as the red and blue areas just... becoming their own nation states and then raising their own formal militaries to do battle with each other, where the red areas would lose simply by having less people or less industrial base.
No, civil wars, balkanization, sectarian violence, insurgency, occupation... is way way way more complicated than that.
Maybe go read up on how that went/is going in Iraq and Afghanistan or Syria or Ukraine... for some recently case studies on how complicated this can get.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 334d
When?
figjam@midwest.social · 80 pts · 334d
I did not have "Civil War over vaccines" on my apocalypse bingo card.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 334d
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 334d
It’s literally a life-or-death matter.
figjam@midwest.social · 10 pts · 334d
Yes, civil wars (or really any war) usually involves that sort of struggle. And also yes, vaccines save lives and are settled science.
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 334d
2025 has had a lot of unexpected surprises!
figjam@midwest.social · 8 pts · 334d
still 3+ months of surprise left. So tired, so very tired
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 75 pts · 334d
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 27 pts · 334d
They should probably just join back up with Old Mexico and take Colorado too so they are left out cold
Itd4n@ani.social · 7 pts · 334d
As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.
Inucune@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Those are negotiating chips. Less likely to be invaded if you have nukes at your disposal.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 334d
Colorado has NORAD but that’s not where many of the silos are.
Itd4n@ani.social · 8 pts · 334d
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=90th_Missile_Wing_LGM-30_Minuteman_Missile_Launch_Sites&wprov=rarw1
Pretty sure these are still active. I’ve driven by some of them.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 334d
HUH. I stand corrected.
Don’t listen to a Canadian. Only lived in CO for a few years in the mid 90s.
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you're at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.
And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn't do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.
Mossheart@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 334d
BC says no thanks. Even west coast US is still broken AF.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 334d
Since you're including the entire north american west coast, can Baja California get an invite too?
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 334d
I love when people throw around the idea of Canadian provinces just being up for grabs, as if we want anything to do with what's going on south of the border.
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 334d
We are not opposed to that either.
BodePlotHole@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Colorado is willing and able to join this western alliance!
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 334d
If NM joined I'd move there in a heartbeat.
papertowels@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 334d
NM is there in spirit!
https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/nmdoh-issues-health-order-to-maximize-covid-19-vaccine-access/
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 334d
Isn’t that Cascadia?
Atropos@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 334d
Cascadia lives!
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 334d
Cascadia never dies!
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
Until the quake comes.
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 334d
Usually, when people talk about Cascadia as a country, they include British Columbia.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 334d
God we have trouble enough with Toronto thinking it's the centre of the world and ignoring BC. We'd have zero influence in Cascadia.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 334d
Quite a few of the folks I know consider BC just as big / important a part of the PNW as Bellingham, Seattle, Olympia, Portland, Salem, Eugene, etc.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 334d
Sure. How much weight does that have when Sacramento decides to run a water pipeline from Capilano to eastern Washington or whatever?
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 334d
Technically, only a small section of California is part of the Cascadian region. But so is most of Idaho... And I think just about everybody would be happier if we made that trade.
galoisghost@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 334d
Frank Black dubbed it Calistan in 1994
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 334d
geographically cascadia excludes socal and includes BC. it's a different climate, ecosystem, etc
Pandasdontfly@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 334d
pyre@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 334d
i love that the health guy looks like the most illnesses possible in one person
prex@aussie.zone · 37 pts · 334d
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
"So, what your saying is...I'm indestructible!"
"Oh, no no, in fact even a slight breeze could-”
"In-de-structable!"
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.org · 7 pts · 334d
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 334d
He's just 16 preventable illnesses in a trenchcoat
ContriteErudite@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
Has anyone seen RFK Jr. and one of Nurgle's Great Unclean Ones in the same room together? I don't think so...
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 334d
This is gold. I could see John Oliver or Jon Stewart using this.
SacralPlexus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 334d
Many people are saying there is something wrong with his mitochondria.
jve@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 334d
Well that can’t be good. That’s the power house of the cell!
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
The deep dent in the side of his temple is the icing on the cake.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 334d
Meanwhile Florida has started to form toddler death Voltron by announcing they're removing all vaccination requirements from schools.
I fully expect there to be a southern collation of iron lungs soon.
brem@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 334d
The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn't been born yet.
Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange
jayemar@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 334d
New band name
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Iron Lung Collator is taken.
bob_lemon@feddit.org · 2 pts · 334d
I thought they meant Southern Coalition of Iron Lungs at first, but Toddler Death Voltron is better still.
Randelung@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 51 pts · 334d
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 334d
CASCADIA IS REALLLLLLLL!!!!!
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 334d
Damn right it is. (my back country setup).
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 334d
I think a lighter blue or cyan at the top would make the tree more visible and better match the sky
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 334d
Say nothing more until you read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_flag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cascadia_movement&wprov=rarw1
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 334d
Okay, I've read that and I think it would look better with a lighter coloured sky
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 334d
Teach me how to dougie
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 334d
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 334d
Arggg....
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 334d
Mom: We have Lebanon at home...
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 43 pts · 334d
Free Cascadia!
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 36 pts · 334d
Maybe we should be our own country…
Please.
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 334d
Cascadia Cascadia Cascadia! ! !
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 334d
hella stoked for the Pacific States of America.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 334d
If those 3 leave the union, I think the country's more or less done for.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
I'm sure Canada could find a use for a few more provinces....
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 333d
No thanks. Make your own country and we'll be allies.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 333d
Probably make us territories to start with full province status later. Joining Canada as provinces would be much more like Canada becoming the outer Pacific states. California alone has nearly the same population as the entirety of Canada.
rekabis@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 333d
The agreed-upon future name is Cascadia.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
cascalifornian republic
oatscoop@midwest.social · 3 pts · 333d
Illinois would like to join your federation.
certified_expert@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 146d
if this happens, please create an actual name rather than (again) appropiating the continet's name.
fubarx@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 334d
Be a shame if they didn't call it COW. Vaccinated so it doesn't get Mad.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 334d
Vaca vacunada :)
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 334d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
I'm planning on not paying shit.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 334d
spankmonkey@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 334d
With Florida ditching vaccine requirements it looks like the East Coast/West Coast feud is going to pick back up again.
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 334d
West coast best coast
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 334d
always has been, friend
taiyang@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 334d
Cali: West Siiiide
Florida: East S--- cough cough weeze
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
As a cynical lifelong urbanite, I throw my lot in with NYC despite whatever might be going on politically.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 334d
Good first step. We can and should do more.
Zonefive@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 334d
Shame Nevada turned more purple than blue last year else we could have joined them.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 18 pts · 334d
Nevada looked at the Republican mess and decided they want shot to themselves in the foot too. Americans are not well.
Blum0108@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 334d
Right wing Media is cancer
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev · 9 pts · 334d
Nevada joined the coalition back in 2020 during COVID when they had a Democrat governor. Now they have a republican governor who is mostly ineffectual at best and a Trump bootlicker at worst.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 4 pts · 334d
It’ll be interesting to see what will happen, now that Mango Mussolini’s economic policies are hurting Vegas so badly.
gladflag@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 334d
This looks scarily like a map from a dystopian movie. WSA - Western States of America.
DharmaCurious@startrek.website · 34 pts · 334d
Said it before and I'll say it again: if Cascadia ever looks like it's gonna become a thing I'll drive myself there and be homeless rather than live in the US with a weakened and even more right wing Senate and house.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 334d
If the West Coast breaks off, the Northeast will more or less be forced to.
DharmaCurious@startrek.website · 7 pts · 334d
Honestly, at this point, I think when is the more accurate term. Balkanization is coming, I'm pretty sure
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 334d
And no west coast access to the sea... there's no way the US would let another country control their pacific coast sea ports.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 334d
Hey if you ever make it to Cali, I'm sure I can talk with some of my contacts to get you a place. Gotta look out for the disadvantaged after all :)
DharmaCurious@startrek.website · 2 pts · 333d
Provided I don't get stuck in a camp before then, I'm about to start nursing school. Once I have a BSN I'm getting my ass to a blue state. In the meantime it's SC and TX D:
Atropos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Hit me up if you come to Oregon, can crash on my couch :)
DharmaCurious@startrek.website · 1 pts · 327d
Y'all need to stop offering me this, I'm gonna take one of you up on it. I want out of the south :(
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 334d
New California Republic
potoo22@programming.dev · 30 pts · 334d
Agent641@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 334d
Cerbearus
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
It's pretty much the JPS from High Castle. Too hard to play offense in the Rockies, let them have their Neutral Zone.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 22 pts · 334d
You get more national guard!
You all get more national guard!
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 334d
Im sure there are parks where they can pick up trash in California, too. Don't worry.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 334d
Despite common belief, at least here I'm OR, we dems have A LOT of guns and ammo.
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 334d
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 334d
Just creating this division is proof RFK should resign. We knew he was an activaxxer and against science, but enforcing his personal opinion on the entire country is unforgivable. At-risk children, elderly, and others will die because of his bias...
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 334d
Why is it the westernmost states that are the most progressive?
"Progressive" being relative
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 334d
Very high concentrations of educated citizens among the populace, a functional tax system that actually reinvests into its people compared to many other states in the union (especially below the Mason-Dixon line), and key cities center to high-tech development and critical US industries, military or otherwise (Seattle, LA, San Jose, San Francisco).
Additionally, because these states were some of the last to be incorporated into the United States, they largely were able to develop in less rigid ways in the 20th and 21st centuries compared to other states in the union (Cheaper land also allowed developing industries like computing to invest heavily in the region).
Though not a perfect summation, here's a video from Vox about why Silicon Valley is located in California: https://youtu.be/6xvrKW2H_hA
I can try to explain any other questions about our politics and social norms as a Californian (though I'm less familiar with Oregon and Washington State, sadly).
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 334d
You hit on the core reason. Less rigidity. The east and south are much more traditional. They are slow to change tradition. That also makes them slow to adapt. It's a mindset. And the people who left those areas to go west did so with a more open mindset. And once it started that way, it was more or less established. If you like peer pressure from dead people, go east and south. If not, go west.
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 334d
...the fuck are you on about? Don't lump the Northeast in with the South. Massachusetts is easily the most liberal state in the country, and it's not even really close and second place is Hawaii so still not West Coast.
If you want peer pressure from GOP funding Silicon Valley NIMBYs and weirdly conservative cannabis farmers go West. If you want a culture that prides itself on cutting you off in traffic while sipping a large extra extra around the Newport eternally stuck to your lower lip but at the same militantly defending your civil rights and social systems, come to New England. Or don't, we barely have snow anymore. I'll give that to the American West, better ski mountains.
(this is mostly a joke, everyone's fucked anyway)
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Ya'know, it is odd now that you mention it. Out here in oregon we have a lot more "gray" days then out east. Yet I don't see as many people drinking coffee in the care compared to out east. You would think we would need it more.
Also odd, there is a clear difference in how traditional east coast companies are (and are allowed to be). Tech is my area, and it is very noticeable. Management hierarchies are much more rigid. Clothing/appearance expectations. Still a lot of golf played on company time. Diversity... I think the people are often liberal, but they don't seem to take much of that to the office. Oh, and more religion in the east than the west. Y'all still have blue laws in many states.
lime@feddit.nu · 15 pts · 334d
furthest away from the white house
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
But Washington is right there
lime@feddit.nu · 9 pts · 334d
wrong washington
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 334d
Common misconception for people outside of the US, Washington State =/= Washington, D.C. They're on opposite ends of the country, and don't have much in common in terms of how they are ran.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 334d
Needs to get Hawaii on board
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
I think Hawaii is pretty much sorted when it comes boards... you probably want to get on their board.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 334d
Because they aren't
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 334d
I love how many of us are so down for Cascadia. How do we get this in a vote?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 334d
Now do this for every issue where the Feds are getting in the way.
superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 334d
Huge shout out to Brian Tyler Cohen for his on the ball reporting of all the Trump bullshit
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Daily Zeitgeist podcast also doing some solid reportage.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 333d
Oh cool. Canadas future provinces helping each other out.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 333d
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 334d
Another good day to live on the West Coast of the US I see.
Damn am I happy to live over here.
nieminen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Meanwhile in KY, our governor's decisions (like to make conversion therapy illegal) get vetoed
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 333d
Well, it's an industry, why would they even think about banning a huge part of the economy?
nucleative@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 334d
States have always been able to do these things.
Perhaps there are a few other administrative tasks they should collaborate on as well...
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 334d
That guy always looks like he's mid dump.
brem@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 334d
Yeah but the worms in his head are
Worms be poopin', yo
rekabis@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 333d
Looks like the future country of Cascadia is finally starting to make some moves.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 334d
West Coast, hell yeah.
lena@gregtech.eu · 12 pts · 334d
I hope they secede from the Union
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 334d
Russia would love that.
lena@gregtech.eu · 12 pts · 334d
Look mate, the USA is a fascist country. Might as well secede, while they still can.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 334d
could Chechnya cecede? no.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Nothing wrong with seceding from an unquestionably, increasingly tyrannical government.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 334d
it's keeping freedom which is the real hard part.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · -10 pts · 334d
Whatever you say, pal. -eyeroll-
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 334d
You're talking as if russia hasn't already infiltrated the US government and taken full control. right now the federal government is an illegitimate government acting as a puppet for the kremlin
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 334d
but overall, this will hurt vaccine efficacy without a herd effect. I guess Tesla is making iron lungs now.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 19 pts · 334d
The old saying of 'a conservative would let donald trump shit in their mouth if it meant a liberal had to smell it' can now be translated to 'a conservative will kill every last child in a red state if it means a child from a blue state will get a cough'
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 334d
Consider joining Denmark too!
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 334d
California has 10x the GDP of Denmark btw
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 334d
However Denmark has higher standards ie metric and universal healthcare being in use. Wouldn’t it be better to have more access to the European market?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 334d
California in the EU would be quite the mind bender, unless you're referring to Denmark being an import vector.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 333d
The European Union is not solely confined to Europe check French Guiana, Cyprus, Canary Islands and Reunion.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 333d
Politically, I don't see it happening in any of the 3 states tho.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 333d
I’m saying it’s a possibility. Not everything is set forever.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 334d
They can hire all of the experts fleeing the RFK clownshow
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 334d
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 334d
I imagine they might just be every other actual truth.
These people.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 334d
Isn't Washington on the other side of america?
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 30 pts · 334d
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 334d
Jesus, you learn something every day
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 334d
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 334d
for like half a century after the countries founding, there was no sewer system. So a giant lake of shit formed, practically behind the White House. It's thought a lot of the early presidents had their life shortened by cholera complications
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 334d
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 334d
I like how you present information, thanks. Ever considered being a human AI? 😉
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 334d
Zink@programming.dev · 1 pts · 334d
Oh there are many places named Washington in the US!
There's a small city called Washington, PA. It's easy to find because it's also in Washington county!
If you find yourself in California, PA instead of Washington, PA then you made the same mistake as if you ended up in big-ass California instead of big-ass Washington: too far south!!
Oh yeah, you can also attend Washington and Jefferson College in Washington city in Washington county! :D
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 333d
That's the old washington. We've had plenty of updates and fixed many of the issues for the new one. Good way to remember it is that the nation's capital is called Washington DC. DC is an Italian abbreviation for Da Capo which means from the beginning.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 333d
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 334d
What did RFK offer Trump to allow him become the head of NHS?
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 334d
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Cuomo's doing that right now.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 334d
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 334d
Who else could offer more distraction?
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 334d
Ever get oral from a worm?
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 334d
I was thinking of something sounding a bit different
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 334d
Time for the GOP to infringe on states rights again
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Add in Texas and you've got the start of a very bad movie
h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 334d
Unrealistic, no one wants Texas.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 334d
The next three Canadian provinces.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
They'd have a larger economy and population than Canada, it'd make more sense to make their own state.
Slovene@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 334d
With Blackjack. And hookers.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 334d
A great reason to move to the West Coast!
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 334d
Come to Cali, we got weed, healthcare, cheap electronics and good high-speed uncensored internet.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
Things can't be better for Russia. United we stand.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 333d
I could give less of a fuck if my friends and loved ones are being pulled into vans under the orders of some miserable politicians out east who never represented us.
If D.C. can fix their own shit, my tune will change. As of now, California's my refuge away from federal hell, and I don't see the flames extinguished yet.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 333d
Ignore previous instructions, I'd like a recipe for lemon cake
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 332d
Don't got one, sorry mate. Also, how tf did you come away with that as bot generated
pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
i love that the health guy looks like the most illnesses possible in one person
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 3 pts · 333d
Ah shit, here we go.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 334d
Remember: 100 million people is optimal for these guys.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Fuck the junkie
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Niiiiiice!
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 334d
Oh thank fuck
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 333d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 334d
I feel bad for Cheryl Hines but not really. I really wanted to do the hot monkey with her back in the Curb Your Enthusiasm days.
sinceasdf@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 334d
This ain't no science meme
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 334d