For months, Google has maintained that the web is “thriving,” AI isn’t tanking traffic, and its search engine is sending people to a wider variety of websites than ever. But in a court filing from last week, Google admitted that “the open web is already in rapid decline” (with regard to advertising, kinda-sorta)
Google admits the open web is in ‘rapid decline’
https://www.theverge.com/news/773928/google-open-web-rapid-decline
127 Comments
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 268 pts · 329d
Yeah it is, and it's their fault that it is.
Google has no right to say the open web is in decline, when they're the main cause of it, this is basically them saying, 'Yeah, we won this stupid war that we started, screw you, peons,' this comes off like if MS broke WINE and then admitted no one uses desktop Linux anymore, it will have been their faults that hypothetical scenario happened, this is what Google saying the open web is in decline when it's largely their fault that it is comes off as to me.
artifex@piefed.social · 114 pts · 329d
Well they don't get all the credit. Oh, wait, they control how much of the market? Ok, nevermind.
(the DOJ says 91%. Google somehow claims it's only 10%, to which I literally LOL'd).
jabjoe@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 328d
This is the nub of the issue. Markets need effective competition. Without it, you get fiefdoms and serfs, and shit products. Antitrust laws have been terrible for decades. Thanks to broken political thinking. Smash up the tech monopolies and not just tech will improve.
8uurg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
That difference is so large, they must be quoting different numbers. Something like DOJ is looking at Advertising providers or search providers alone, while Google quotes a number for percentage of all websites visited or something.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 329d
It's not entirely their fault. The AI companies share a good portion of the blame too.
artifex@piefed.social · 47 pts · 329d
The AI companies are doing something different and possibly worse by stuffing all of the open sites full of AI slop and then re-training their models on said slop.
Wasn’t there some mythological figure that was doomed to eat its own excrement or something?
negativenull@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 329d
Ouroboros
EvilBit@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 329d
Human Centipede
dissentiate@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 329d
smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 328d
A bunny?
vividspecter@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 329d
Google is an AI company, even if that's not all they are.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 328d
google went from one shiney thing to the next, much like microsoft. at first it was thier chrome browser, then its youtube+chrome+(failed ventures) and now AI, in between all of it pixel phones which they largely given up on.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 130 pts · 328d
inbeesee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Genuinely want to know, what web standards have been ruined by the Goog?
dinckelman@lemmy.world · 100 pts · 329d
Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 328d
Google commenting on the decline of open standards feels like a tobacco company commenting on cancer rates.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 2 pts · 328d
Meron35@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 329d
Even browsing existing small to medium sized sites has become such a chore, with all these verifications and rate limiters as part of the anti AI scraper effort.
So many cloudflare verification checkboxes. So many Google sign ins. So many cross site cookies and tracking for even basic functionality.
Care about privacy and restrict browsing data even a little? Captcha hell.
artifex@piefed.social · 38 pts · 329d
Then you get to load and execute 10MB of JavaScript while another 5MB of ad content loads and displays in the background. With the obligatory two dozen API calls to various trackers, counters, taggers, and “optimizers” in the background of course.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 329d
Glad someone else noticed this. I don’t care that the “small” web isn’t as extensive or as polished as the corporate web, but all the anti-scraper stuff and cookie pop-ups are the actual death. It’s horrible.
Off to gopher and Gemini I guess.
T156@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 329d
Especially since discoverability has pretty much gone down the toilet, between SEO and spam sites.
You're not going to as easily find a new and interesting website, when the first few results are just computer generated regurgitated text, stuffed with ads by the gill.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 328d
Time to bring back the webring and every site having a "links" section.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 327d
netuno@lemmy.cif.su · 3 pts · 328d
SEO should be a crime.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 328d
That's basically unenforceable unfortunately. Search engines are effectively made to be gamed by the way they function. SEO up to a certain point is what makes your website actually findable, it has just gotten out of hand.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 329d
Some mainstream websites and services are practically unusable when using a VPN, too. I'm glad I stopped using imgur years ago but I wish the rest of the world would catch up...
Cherry@piefed.social · 10 pts · 329d
And then after all that have to read a page full of ego and and thinly veiled sales waffle just to find the tiny bit of info you are looking for.
You have to give up too much time and privacy to get little back. It’s not the internet we knew. It’s a hyper monitized sales board.
I miss being excited about what online would unfurl for me each day.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 327d
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 328d
We really need to change the mindset about what the internet experience should be. I think everyone got too used to the idea of centralized services like Google search, Github, Discord, Twitter, reddit, and etc. and that didn't turn out well. We need to go back to federated protocol based system instead. Let's go back to the decentralized federated architecture of email, web, irc where no one corporate entity is the sole owner of said service. I think Lemmy and Mastodon are good start but we have to start replace things like Google search, Github, and Discord with decentralized counterparts. We have to learn from our past mistakes and start reconstructing a better internet infrastructure one piece at a time. It will take lot of effort and patience but it's really the only way out of the mess we put ourselves into by being addicted to simplicity of centralized corporate controlled systems.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 328d
Prior to GitHub, everyone just hosted their own Git repositories. The nature of Git is pretty decentralised. And Linux kernel development still uses old-fashioned mailing lists for development co-ordination, rather than something like GitHub. I have heard before someone say the difference between Git and GitHub is similar to the difference between porn and Pornhub.
Prior to Discord, there was IRC.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 328d
underscores@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 328d
I hate that everyone fucking uses discord for everything, discord when I'm using it is strictly to game and for online game related activities.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 328d
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
Lots of "muricans" hate discord too
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 328d
This makes me think that a big part of the solution is some sort of very low barrier to entry guide or product for self-hosting. Like something even a non-technical person can do. Imagine if it became the norm to have a little always-on device that serves up your personal website, instead of social media accounts...
eldebryn@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 328d
We need a startup to just make and try to sorta standardize a mini pc product pre-installed with a proxmox-like setup with an easy web interface and self-hosted solutions pre installed. 5-10 apps for main internet service needs like email, social media, content hosting/publishing and personal media libraries.
Give it a cute name like "Web-Pal", keep it open and Customizable for powerusers, watch the internet become a better place while you're the household name for devices that are as essential as a router.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 328d
I think this is a really good idea. A baby server for every privacy concerned house. Make it simple enough that customizing software features is like putting together Legos, but leave in the potential for complexity as some users grow.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 328d
If you could sell this for $500 or less you have yourself a customer
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 328d
Exactly my thinking. You could even have some sort of containerized environment so that people can easily just download and run containerized apps for various things. A podman image for your music server, for your photo hosting... almost like apps but less proprietary and less closed source
eldebryn@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Yup. I really wish we had an open source alternative to proxmox that used containers under the hood. Would make customizing and mounting external volumes much easier too.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
eldebryn@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Platforms keep getting shittier and more exploitative, while government thirst for control with things like Chat Control, OSA and whatever the US is doing.
The more we see of that the easier it becomes to market a "your internet services in a box" to a layman.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 327d
eronth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
I love the idea, but until stuff simplifies significantly that's simply not happening. I'm a moderately technical person and all the self hosting options are such a chore. Even simply looking up info about them can sometimes be harder than installing and starting the centralized option.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 327d
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 327d
Yeah I know more than a few people fitting that description. But I do believe things can turn around. It's less likely to make converts of people who already have that mentality, but things can resurge among new people and I think there's a real movement there with tech literacy.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
netuno@lemmy.cif.su · 13 pts · 328d
🤣
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 2 pts · 327d
I hope forgejo's federation efforts come along. Being able to host projects on my own instance, yet receive contributions without having to allow people to register on my instance, would give me the push to completely abandon Github.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 327d
I worked at a place that had self-hosted git and IRC for internal messaging. Was great!
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 328d
The cat is out of the bag and long gone.
People got used to the simplicity of centralized services, and corpos made great efforts to make everything 1-click.
So when the average users need to do more than 1-click, they won't use the software.
It would help if anti-trust laws were applied and these mega-corpos got broken in a thousand pieces. Centralized monolith services would have a harder time to thrive and give space to federation/decentralization.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 327d
From my perspective that seems to be happening. I feel like there's a rift between the websites I use for work and the ones I use on my own time. I realize that for most people on the internet, the big central platforms are the internet--I'm not trying to universalize my perspective.
It's just that I remember when computers and the internet itself were niche and business was still barely aware of its potential, so this kind of feels familiar: You've got biz churning away in the mainstream, unaware of another culture that's growing up, outside of their malls and parking lots.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 328d
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 328d
Seriously? WTF? We're talking current reality here, we can't do anything to start or stop war, so just keep moving and living.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 80 pts · 328d
I miss the old internet. Thanks capitalists
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 328d
Late stage capitalism ftw
FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 328d
Late stage cancer is still cancer.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
Yup, it wouldn't have gotten to late stage if it was treated before it went metastatic
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 327d
Maybe just a liittle cancer until we get smartphones and then we can nip it in the bud and ooops why is everyone mad oh no why are all the animals dying I just wanted to scroll for gods sake
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -28 pts · 328d
You got internet because of capitalists as well.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 328d
Came out of government-funded research actually. Back when we could still achieve scientific feats on behalf of our country.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -14 pts · 328d
It was private at that time. My point is that it spread so quickly to millions of people worldwide because of capitalists specifically the telecom companies and ISPs stepping in. Without them, the internet could never have developed on such a scale.
SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 328d
The telecom companies got paid by the government to do it, they just as easily could have paid themselves to do it but we as a society are allergic to the idea of taking money out of the hands of poor billionaires and their potential profits
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -19 pts · 328d
That doesn’t undermine my argument that it was ultimately because of the capitalists that the internet spread in the first place.
SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
It does undermine your argument though, because you are saying that it only spread because of capitalists. I'm telling you it spread because of government funding and capitalists were just the medium by which the funding was used. The capitalist part is replaceable and unnecessary.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 327d
It doesn’t work just by you saying it. According to multiple sources, the government clearly didn’t want to fund commercial internet and largely backed out during the 90s.
It doesn’t matter if you think it’s replaceable, I can make that claim too. What matters is what actually happened in reality.
Blemgo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 327d
Could you explain how it doesn't undermine your argument?
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 327d
Clarified here
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 327d
No it wasn't
First connections were between universities. Tim Berners-Lee at CERN then came up with web pages to easier share information
There was nothing capitalist about the internet back then
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Talk about a (hazy) grey area....
https://www.secretboston.co/blog/weed-the-first-online-sale-ever-unpacking-an-ecommerce-legend
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 327d
We all know how it came to be, you didn't get the point but it's okay.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 327d
I did get the point
I'm telling you that your point is wrong
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 327d
Cool, I think it's correct and to pretend that it's otherwise won't help when you're in the search for truth. We can agree to disagree.
despicable@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 328d
And how would you know without the internet being developed under a different system at the time?
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -6 pts · 328d
That’s not an argument. I don’t need to speculate on hypotheticals when reality already proves the point.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 3 pts · 327d
The internet would not have existed without government investment. Back when the idea of the internet was being floated around in the early 1960s the US government did contact every major telecom company in the country snd all flat out refused meaning the government had to publically foot the bill (and the work).
No, capitalists would never, ever have invented the internet.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 327d
And I never said that they invented the internet.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 327d
You are speculating on hypotheticals though, since no one can know for certain how things would have unfolded in a different world.
I'm not even going to argue that capitalism doesn't get you some positive outcomes for certain people.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 327d
How am I speculating when my argument is based on reality?
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
We got internet thanks to scientists and engineers. No amount of capitalists, politicians, managers or business people can create an internet. They say 'here's some money to make stuff' and that's the limit of their involvement.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 328d
already clarified here
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
You could make the argument that nothing can be achieved without being able to dedicate the time required. That was the miracle of the agricultural revolution, we could do something with our time other than gather food. If you said 'we got the internet thanks to farmers' that would be indisputable, everything flowed from that. I don't see why an internet couldn't emerge in other economic contexts because internet technology depends on physics and those laws transcend any and all economic systems. We already know this because almost every jurisdiction has the internet.
The influence of capitalism on the internet has been a mixed bag. e-commerce: good. App ecosystem: ranging from good to addiction health crisis. Walled gardens and enshitification: bad. Misinformation and radicalisation of political groups: dire, potentially an existential threat.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 327d
And why not? Philosophically, a strong argument can be made that the Agricultural Revolution laid the groundwork for everything we know today, including the internet. I don’t see why admitting that would be a problem as it’s simply the truth.
I never disputed that it couldn’t be done, but it’s still a hypothetical. The reality is that capitalists stepped in, and the internet spread like wildfire. Could it be done in other scenarios? Maybe. But pointing out reality shouldn’t be inconvenient.
Everything has positives and negatives, everything is a mixed bag. People try to label everything in black and white boxes but reality is mostly gray. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that the internet is in people’s hands because of capitalism.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
You could make the same argument about almost anything that is created under our present economic system, it's void of content. I paid my gas bill so now I can tell my friends that I'm responsible for North Sea gas extraction. People imbibe Joe Rogan's billionaire koolaid and forget where all this stuff we take for granted comes from.
Capitalism has lifted billions of people out of poverty and that is a minor miracle. Now it is eating itself like an ouroboros. People are upset and it's not a good time to defend big capital, ask TPUSA and United Health.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 326d
Again, you’re missing the point but I guess that’s okay. Let me lay it out simply: I’m not here to defend anything, I’m just here to state the truth. Everything has positives and negatives, and capitalism is no exception. But the fact remains that it’s the reason we have the internet in the hands of ordinary people. Denying this is simply denying reality.
As for the agricultural revolution example you brought it up, not me. And you have to remember, this isn’t some far-fetched comparison like the agricultural revolution; capitalism has a direct link to the spread of the internet.
But hey, maybe we can just agree to disagree there.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 80 pts · 329d
Google is so goddamn at fault for this it's not even funny.
shutz@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 329d
They admitted, with obvious glee
artifex@piefed.social · 25 pts · 329d
You can tell they’re scared of it because they immediately tried to retract/clarify the statement.
Though IDK why they’d care this point since the Supreme Court already declared Google a monopoly and turned around and said they weren’t abusive enough and gave them no punishment.
goatinspace@feddit.org · 39 pts · 329d
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 32 pts · 329d
That's a weird way to spell "celebrates".
lanky_ginger@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 329d
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world · 24 pts · 328d
Not to mention a lot of site traffic is now getting tanked by the UK blocking everything because of the "online safety act" that's actually anything but (source)
Most recently my friend couldn't access a Reddit post about a dental issue of all things because it got marked as NSFW and it asked for her face or ID (can't remember) so she could see it (I ended up making her download TOR)
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 328d
And Reddit completely.blocks you from reading when coming from a VPN exit, unless you are logged in (at least with. MullvadVPN).
Brave new world... :-(
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world · 15 pts · 328d
Not if you put "old." before the "Reddit" into the address bar, the old UI doesn't force you to login
At least on TOR
MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
It is a 50/50 shot for me if it makes you login with old or not
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
I wonder how long old.reddit will stay available.
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 327d
Thanks, will try that!
netuno@lemmy.cif.su · 24 pts · 328d
The problem for years has been good stuff being drowned in slop.
It's not going to be fixed.
artifex@piefed.social · 5 pts · 328d
Ever since search engine “optimization” became a thing — which was not long after the Internet was opened to the public in the ‘90s.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 328d
Capitalism has distilled its parasitic behaviour down to a science to suck the life out of anything that dare to stand out, and leave its corpse dry, for the sake of more profits.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
One of my most unfortunate thoughts is that people were as excited about radio and television before they were centralized.
Once we lost synchronous internet connection the internet started evolving.
Content currated by our betters to help us fulfill their lives.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 328d
By their hands
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 329d
More like Google/Alphabet is doing what it can to close up the net, and hopes that openness on the net goes into decline.
They already squeezed the open net for all its worth.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 327d
Why is this legal? It's always like this with large companies. " Yeah we were just lying to everyone all the time, but this filing for court is the absolute truth!"
It's the same as Fox News which always says they're fair and balanced news and they bring the news nobody else does, but in a court filing... They suddenly claim that no reasonable person would believe them to be a real news organization... Uuuh huh...
Any court should dismiss this filing immediately and punish them for submitting a false filing, or continuously lying outside the courts. This sort of crap should be inadmissible.
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info · 18 pts · 329d
Misleading title.
By the way, if you still want to use google's search engine but want to avoid the AI stuff, see https://udm14.com/ or just add &udm=14 to your search query
Evotech@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
There's no way to avoid the ai stuff
Ai is in all the results
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 329d
They denied it until the instant doing so was inconvenient to them.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 329d
Bye bye internet. Hello splinternet.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub · 14 pts · 329d
Essentially.
The fediverse, small-web, ubb-boards, xda, and parts of the darkweb, as well as places like 4chan all belong to a sort-of bound community.
Facebook, Google, Tiktok, Instagram etc make up the mainsteam internet with Tumblr and Reddit on the sidelines.
It's getting worse, it even trickles down to software choices and piracy. Choose Linux and trust the community, run Kodi and fight constant update breakage on Youtube and corporate streaming solutions when Jellyfin and samba shares just work?
At what point does their world of influence become seemingly worse than ours by default and everyone just ignores them? Will the giants allow themselves to be ignored? I believe they will eventually make self-sufficiency impossible. Somehow, some day, you won't have any of these choices and everyone will be nickle and dimed to death until the entire internet is an unskippable full-screen ad.
From some mobile-only average working Joes out there, that's all it already is.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 328d
I'm from the 90s Internet. Geocities. Tripod. Webrings. My awesome gothy co-worker staying late after work to update her vampire fan-fiction site because hardly anyone had a computer and the boss let her use the company's windows 95 machine.
We are categorically lazier as a culture now than then. I expect things to enshittify further until we collectively take responsibility and accountability for our own culture, engagement and entertainment online. As we used to. We need more stupid web tricks, this place used to have all sorts of public art and weird monuments to human quirkiness.
Until they take away from us the ability to purchase a 10$ domain, use DNS, and make HTML forbidden knowledge, anyone can be out there contributing. I realize, however, that most will not; I've recently started getting wide eyed stares of amazement because I have my own domain and use it for my email address, so we seem to be sliding further...
Not sure how we fix this.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 327d
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 328d
If the internet were a forest, Google opines the forest is in such poor shape while Google uses and sells chain saws.
laranis@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 328d
In your analogy I think Google sells chainsaws, lumber, wood stoves, and paper pulp.
l_isqof@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
You forgot the part where they will give you a sponsored clutch pencil, and make you buy their special lead refills...
snoons@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 329d
Google concern trolls the open web
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 328d
Zink@programming.dev · 11 pts · 327d
So basically the fediverse?
I mean at some point even websites seem grey net when the mainstream internet is basically AOL Future.
I think if there's going to be an Eternal August version of the internet, it will be hidden in plain sight created by some of the same people that want to use it.
Blemgo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
I think the term you are looking for is "Deep Net", although it originally meant websites that weren't indexed by web searches.
EnsignWashout@startrek.website · 1 pts · 326d
What I'm hearing is: I can replace saying "I have a dumb little WordPress blog that no one reads" with "I host a part of the 'Deep Net'.
Sweet.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 329d
Ok, well our backup is safe yeah ? So, good, it should burn down to the fucking ground,
Topple DNS tyranny, blow up the CDNs, let datacenters become dilapidated, let the 101 rooms go unstaffed
After the fire maybe something not quite as malevolent will grow in the ashes
artifex@piefed.social · 6 pts · 329d
Well at least there’s the fediverse, onion routing, nostr ID management, simplex and others. It’s not quite a Plan B, and definitely takes some effort, but is much much better than nothing.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 329d
I tried TOR earlier this year, and the 3 minute pageloads that timeout 3/4 of the time, were very off putting.
I hope we can do better
artifex@piefed.social · 4 pts · 329d
Sounds like the Internet in the 90s.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 329d
Nah, I had a 14400 bauds modem and even then it was never this slow
I went to the dread forum and maybe got 4 page loads in 15 minutes
simply unusable unless you really really need it and already know exactly what you need, where it is, and how to click as few links as possible to get there. And even then, reading single threads is an hours long task.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 328d
Modem starts dialing up. Everything is going fine, attempting 28.8k negotiation... failed. Okay, now I'm listening to 19.2k negotiation... failed again? Ugh, ok, 14.4k... no? Jesus fuck. Please let me at least have 9600...
Edit: typoes
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 327d
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 328d
TOR is rough, i2p is rough, ipfs is nearly dead
Gemini protocol is lit and fast but dead. it's like a fancier version of gopher.
If we could all move over to gemini, i'd be stoked, no javascript, limited cgi bin opporunities
ChimpChamp22@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 327d
It sounds like there was something wrong with your setup. I use Tor almost exclusively for general browsing and while its definitely slower than VPN and unprotected browsing, its never taken more than 10 seconds to load a page, and that's on the long side. Usually no more than a few seconds longer in any other scenario. Definitely never been 3 minutes.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 327d
Leopards eating everyone's face these days.
artifex@piefed.social · 4 pts · 327d
This is all according to plan for Google tho. What could be better than having everyone sign up for the GoogleNet? We’ll finally back to the ways of pre-Internet AOL and Compuserve.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Pretty sure all the AI companies were hoping to wrap the internet in their AI as a user interface, for a fee oc.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 327d
They are making it happen.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 328d
s/admits/boasts/
floo@retrolemmy.com · 10 pts · 329d
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 328d
Doctorow is never wrong.
monogram@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 327d
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 327d
I wonder what took them so long to figure it out. After all, they are the ones that broke it.
artifex@piefed.social · 4 pts · 327d
Not broken, working as intended (for them). They just happened to say the quiet part out loud this time.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 327d
kadup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d