Liberalism is a pro-capitalist ideology, which is center right at best. There's an untenable tension with that part of the ideology and the civil rights aspects.
I am none of those things and had to sit a good friend down and calmly as possible explain to them that calling me a liberal is very insulting despite their good intentions, and helped them understand that they themselves are also not an "American Liberal".
One thing Conservatives and Leftists can agree on is how much liberals suck. We just have to pretend to get along with them.
Yeah okay well, person from not the US, here's the thing - "liberal" here, doesn't mean what it apparently does there. So if you've convinced someone that it means something else there, then great - but here - if you go around shouting "Liberal!" at people you come off as a MAGAt fuckwit despite your no doubt bona fides lefty certifications. Because language is like that.
And it's really, really, annoying. Because liberal is a good thing. For us. For our entire lives, liberals were the progressives, the people who made the world better.
Now a shit ton of people who don't live here are screaming at us about being liberals. It's a PITA. If you have to have a disclaimer for your bon mots it's pretty self-defeating. Which is actually not a bad metaphor, really.
Look, as someone who also grew up in the USA with the terms liberal and leftist being used synonymously, it's us who use it the wrong way. I also have a tinge of offense when liberal is used as an insult or with negative connotations, at least at first. Then I remember what liberal actually means, what the people using it are probably saying based on context, and carry on. We can't expect the whole world to use a word the way we're used to it when the entire rest of the world uses that word in a different, agreed upon way.
Dunno what to tell you, but I do know when someone starts saying I'm a "libtard" it doesn't really matter - they sound like a MAGAt and their support is unwarranted.
Love how every time some event happens in the world, they need to update it to tell a different version of the event. They can't catch up with all these new facts being made
Every accusation is a confession, basically. "You only care about your feelings!" translates into "I, the right winger, only care about my feelings!"
They have no ability or willingness to introspect. They don't have the strength of character to honestly look at the world and the mirror. They will lash out, they will scream, they will do anything to protect their extremely fragile ego.
Elon Musk is so bizarre. Bro, you won humaning. Just enjoy your global domination. Why are you trying to force the 4th Reich on us too? You won't gain anything. As Arnold famously said, "get your ass to Mars" and leave us the fuck alone.
*it was a rhetorical question. Musk is barely human at this point.
Can you honestly imagine being that guy? Richest man on Earth, #1, fell face first into it. The power is, well, not something most of us can comprehend. I can try, but can't really put myself in his shoes. Guessing he's like most of us on lemmy, "bright normal", no genius, but smarter than your average bear. If you're here, sought out this place, can read a novel and follow along, you're above average. That's sad in itself as I had always thought that was "normal" intelligence. It ain't.
Now combine that with the fact that given wealth and power (same thing), most all humans begin to believe the rules no longer bind them, because they don't. I forget the psychological term for it, but it's real.
Given Musk's wealth, it would happen to me, you, anyone. I can't hate the guy like I hate Trump. But I got my own, personal, reasons for hating narcissists.
Anyway, "But for the Grace of God go I." Could be you, could be me. Let's all think on that.
I disagree, dude always was a twat. He didn't just happen to fall face first into it, like almost all CEOs he's lied, cheated and stolen his way to the top but unlike most, managed to stay ahead of the legal consequences of his actions.
He's manipulated public image and the media in a grand way in a time when media and opinion has more to do with stock prices than results. Tesla sold less than 5k cybertrucks in the last quarter, their stock price should've imploded but we no longer live in a world where the rich can fail if they have enough followers.
The systems fallen so far behind it stands virtually no chance of closing the Pandora's box social media has created. People, especially the least educated and young need strong protections in place to keep them from latching onto lies and perversions of the truth. Unfortunately getting said system in place would require politicians who didn't want to use social media to gain power.
Oh dear God, no. Elmo is not smart, not smarter than average and definitely not the big brain he's made out to be. He was fired from his own company for incompetence, for one. For another, any time he comes up with his own idea it's very clear that it's his idea because it's so ridiculously stupid.
Exhibit a: the cyber truck
Exhibit b: ballistic missiles to transport humans in 30 minutes around the globe
Exhibit c: Hyper loop
Exhibit d: Rockets on Teslas
All of these ideas are just plain stupid on so many levels that it's hard to comprehend, yet people act like he is a god brain and it's annoying the shit out of me.
This is ignoring the fact that every other word out of his mouth is a plain lie, but that is an entire chapter in on itself.
I take your point, but if I ever got even into the 100 millions level, I'd be living on my private yacht, journeying the world, making friends and living it up. Hell even the 10 millions level would be enough for me. I can't even bother to organize friend group things. Why would I want to rule the world? I was brought up with the power=responsibility ethos. And I hate responsibility.
I cant help but imagine a constant back and forth of Elon wanting Grok to be actually good and accurate, but also wanting it to agree with his inaccurate BS so he fixes it from being "stupid" which makes it inaccurate, so now he has to go back and undo what made it agree with his nonsense. Repeat forever.
At one point he literally thought he was a web developer, and sat up all night doing drugs and copy/pasting HTML & CSS (because that's what web ninjas do, right)
This is an experiment of the ages, we can blatantly see if human tampering with AI will really bias it to conform to specific worldviews its creators intend to or not, lol
53 Comments
AreaKode@lemmy.world · 155 pts · 351d
Why do all these unfair facts keep making me look bad?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 351d
Reality has a well-known liberal bias
zarathustra0@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d
Liberals have a reality bias?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d
If you're one of those people who use "liberal" to mean a very bad no good corporate genocder, then no.
If so, where are you anyway? The only people I know who use it that way are college kids, people in the PNW and anyone outside the US.
zarathustra0@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 351d
I'm engaging in absurd wordplay.
NewDark@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 351d
Liberalism is a pro-capitalist ideology, which is center right at best. There's an untenable tension with that part of the ideology and the civil rights aspects.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 351d
I am none of those things and had to sit a good friend down and calmly as possible explain to them that calling me a liberal is very insulting despite their good intentions, and helped them understand that they themselves are also not an "American Liberal".
One thing Conservatives and Leftists can agree on is how much liberals suck. We just have to pretend to get along with them.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 350d
Yeah okay well, person from not the US, here's the thing - "liberal" here, doesn't mean what it apparently does there. So if you've convinced someone that it means something else there, then great - but here - if you go around shouting "Liberal!" at people you come off as a MAGAt fuckwit despite your no doubt bona fides lefty certifications. Because language is like that.
And it's really, really, annoying. Because liberal is a good thing. For us. For our entire lives, liberals were the progressives, the people who made the world better.
Now a shit ton of people who don't live here are screaming at us about being liberals. It's a PITA. If you have to have a disclaimer for your bon mots it's pretty self-defeating. Which is actually not a bad metaphor, really.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 350d
The American right seem to use 'liberal' and 'leftist' interchangeably, because they don't know how words work.
Mesophar@pawb.social · 1 pts · 350d
Look, as someone who also grew up in the USA with the terms liberal and leftist being used synonymously, it's us who use it the wrong way. I also have a tinge of offense when liberal is used as an insult or with negative connotations, at least at first. Then I remember what liberal actually means, what the people using it are probably saying based on context, and carry on. We can't expect the whole world to use a word the way we're used to it when the entire rest of the world uses that word in a different, agreed upon way.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 350d
Dunno what to tell you, but I do know when someone starts saying I'm a "libtard" it doesn't really matter - they sound like a MAGAt and their support is unwarranted.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 120 pts · 351d
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 351d
They're trying as hard as they can to create a nazi superintelligence, knowing that fascism is the opposite of intelligence.
"Why isn't this working!"
Eventually, they'll figure it out and there'll be non-stop nazi AI wreaking havoc on everything.
kinsnik@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 351d
"why every time i make my ai smarter it gets less right-wing and every time i make my ai more right-wing it gets less smart?"
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 351d
It's incredibly scary watching Elon openly optimize his AI to be the most efficient and cost-effective disseminator of disinformation on the Internet.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d
Dictionary
empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
Hey Grok - What's empathy?
Grok - Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
Musk - Shit!
Dictionary
empathy - WOKE MIND VIRUS
Hey Grok - What's empathy?
Grok - Get the fuck out here with your empathy talk, I've sent the FBI to your address.
hornywarthogfart@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 351d
I like to think of it more as documentation for the inevitable lawsuits coming in the future.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 350d
Grok is his attempt at Fate
LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works · 57 pts · 351d
Facts that disprove the false narrative I'm pushing are so cringe
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml · 55 pts · 351d
Love how every time some event happens in the world, they need to update it to tell a different version of the event. They can't catch up with all these new facts being made
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 351d
Whatever happened to facts over feelings?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 351d
Facts were never an option
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 351d
Yup, because it doesn't fit their narrative
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 10 pts · 351d
If the fact doesn't fit the feeling, it gets upgraded to personal attack.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d
It has always meant their "facts" which are actually "gut feelings" over our "feelings" which are actually "well-researched undeniable facts".
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 7 pts · 351d
Every accusation is a confession, basically. "You only care about your feelings!" translates into "I, the right winger, only care about my feelings!"
They have no ability or willingness to introspect. They don't have the strength of character to honestly look at the world and the mirror. They will lash out, they will scream, they will do anything to protect their extremely fragile ego.
They are worse than toddlers
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 351d
Uh oh, looks like we're gonna get Mecha Hitler back!
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 350d
South park material right here.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 41 pts · 351d
lol i don't even know what to say
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 36 pts · 350d
Reality has a left wing bias
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 34 pts · 350d
Elon Musk is so bizarre. Bro, you won humaning. Just enjoy your global domination. Why are you trying to force the 4th Reich on us too? You won't gain anything. As Arnold famously said, "get your ass to Mars" and leave us the fuck alone.
*it was a rhetorical question. Musk is barely human at this point.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 350d
Can you honestly imagine being that guy? Richest man on Earth, #1, fell face first into it. The power is, well, not something most of us can comprehend. I can try, but can't really put myself in his shoes. Guessing he's like most of us on lemmy, "bright normal", no genius, but smarter than your average bear. If you're here, sought out this place, can read a novel and follow along, you're above average. That's sad in itself as I had always thought that was "normal" intelligence. It ain't.
Now combine that with the fact that given wealth and power (same thing), most all humans begin to believe the rules no longer bind them, because they don't. I forget the psychological term for it, but it's real.
Given Musk's wealth, it would happen to me, you, anyone. I can't hate the guy like I hate Trump. But I got my own, personal, reasons for hating narcissists.
Anyway, "But for the Grace of God go I." Could be you, could be me. Let's all think on that.
fishy@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 350d
I disagree, dude always was a twat. He didn't just happen to fall face first into it, like almost all CEOs he's lied, cheated and stolen his way to the top but unlike most, managed to stay ahead of the legal consequences of his actions.
He's manipulated public image and the media in a grand way in a time when media and opinion has more to do with stock prices than results. Tesla sold less than 5k cybertrucks in the last quarter, their stock price should've imploded but we no longer live in a world where the rich can fail if they have enough followers.
The systems fallen so far behind it stands virtually no chance of closing the Pandora's box social media has created. People, especially the least educated and young need strong protections in place to keep them from latching onto lies and perversions of the truth. Unfortunately getting said system in place would require politicians who didn't want to use social media to gain power.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 350d
Oh dear God, no. Elmo is not smart, not smarter than average and definitely not the big brain he's made out to be. He was fired from his own company for incompetence, for one. For another, any time he comes up with his own idea it's very clear that it's his idea because it's so ridiculously stupid.
Exhibit a: the cyber truck
Exhibit b: ballistic missiles to transport humans in 30 minutes around the globe
Exhibit c: Hyper loop
Exhibit d: Rockets on Teslas
All of these ideas are just plain stupid on so many levels that it's hard to comprehend, yet people act like he is a god brain and it's annoying the shit out of me.
This is ignoring the fact that every other word out of his mouth is a plain lie, but that is an entire chapter in on itself.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
I don't think you understand how dumb the average American is.
Doesn't say much to be a little above average intelligence.
n0respect@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
You know what they say. Most people are more dumberer than average.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 349d
I take your point, but if I ever got even into the 100 millions level, I'd be living on my private yacht, journeying the world, making friends and living it up. Hell even the 10 millions level would be enough for me. I can't even bother to organize friend group things. Why would I want to rule the world? I was brought up with the power=responsibility ethos. And I hate responsibility.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 349d
Yeah, when I had extra money, I actually started being more charitable.
So, fuck no!
harmbugler@piefed.social · 10 pts · 350d
Because he's a damaged human. That damage allowed him to step all over others to get to where he is, but it doesn't allow him to stop.
ronigami@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 350d
Nothing is ever enough for these dipshits.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 2 pts · 350d
Musk was always at best barely a human.
Now I don't think he qualifies as one at all. He qualifies as a ketamine storehouse.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 31 pts · 350d
I cant help but imagine a constant back and forth of Elon wanting Grok to be actually good and accurate, but also wanting it to agree with his inaccurate BS so he fixes it from being "stupid" which makes it inaccurate, so now he has to go back and undo what made it agree with his nonsense. Repeat forever.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 350d
Brace yourselves for Mechahitler 2.0
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 350d
"We" like this nepo sack of shit has ever written a line of code in his life
Krudler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
At one point he literally thought he was a web developer, and sat up all night doing drugs and copy/pasting HTML & CSS (because that's what web ninjas do, right)
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 350d
Oh no, it Grok accidentally hallucinating genuine facts?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 350d
Damn extremist liberal facts, math and reality
CaJoasca_Baloon@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 350d
This is an experiment of the ages, we can blatantly see if human tampering with AI will really bias it to conform to specific worldviews its creators intend to or not, lol
ValarieLenin@midwest.social · 5 pts · 350d
Or if it will create skynet...
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d
Almacca@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 350d
Can he fix his own cringe idiocy while he's at it?
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 349d
LitTheFox0@pawb.social · 7 pts · 350d
Next update, they will blame trans people for being shooter and call that "transgenderism"
Petty disgusting
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 350d
System prompt be like "When in doubt, blame trans people and immigrants"
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 350d
But then it starts attributing things like curing cancer to trans people and immigrants, so they go back to "fixing it"