Every time I see that little red number in my inbox, my first thought is: Did I mess up? My brain jumps to the worst-case scenario—maybe I said something controversial, and now everyone’s correcting me and downvoting my stupid comments. Even though, most of the time, the messages are actually helpful and fun, that number still triggers some sort of insecurity and anxiety. The bigger it gets, the louder my worries grow.
Logically, I know I don’t screw up that often, and most feedback is neutral or even positive. But deep down, my insecure monkey brain panics at the thought of being wrong—or worse, publicly called out. Even when I’m right, the number still makes my stress levels spike up. What if people disagree with me? What if they don’t like what I wrote?
And yes, I see the irony in posting this. Writing about it is basically asking for it and feeding the very anxiety I’m trying to ignore. Maybe it’s my version of exposure therapy.
155 Comments
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 59 pts · 328d
"Oh here we go. Why do I keep posting honest takes on things instead of getting a feel for the general vibe and blindly agreeing with the majority?"
nixon@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 328d
I feel this comment acutely.
gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
If I blindly agreed with everyone, I probably would be dead, having killed myself from the lack of moral obligation and common decency this species seems to be deficient in. I'm only sticking around because I feel like this is the end of the Anthropocene and I want to witness it. Is that honest enough for ya?
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
Try mentioning that you’re a Christian that despises the GOP.
All they hear is Christian and the comments begin.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
Some times you just roll the dice and see what happens. Make a risky comment of the day, pay the price, get back up again and do the same thing next week. Basically, just spread your unpopular opinions in places that weren't designated for it.
I've burned my fingers a few times, but also found some unexpected supporters. Write a teasing remark about a particular group, and you'll find that everyone hates you and you get downvoted to oblivion. Say the same thing in a different place, and all you get is upvotes and comments that go even further than you did. It's a dangerous game for those who like to live dangerously.
Blindly agree with the majority if you want to play it safe. Not a very spicy way to live your life, but I can see the appeal of it.
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 328d
More like a resigned sigh and wondering which comment pissed off the tankies this time.
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 328d
At least one of those notifications will be calling you a liberal.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 328d
Its funny when you get called "fascist" by tankies, but also get called "communist" by the conservatives.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
Then Reactionary by jai.lu
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 7 pts · 328d
Yeah, but you don’t respect those pissed off commenters, so it’s easier to distance yourself from them. Maybe that’s my problem. I don’t usually try to be abrasive enough to cause such reactions, so I take each comment more seriously than I should.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 326d
Knowing how to be abrasive is a very useful social skill, I think.
I saw a YouTube video from this guy who just liked to yap and tell stories. He was friends with a trans man, though I don't think he knew at the time. Probably figured it out at some point, but it never changed their relationship. They were just best buds.
Well anyway, this trans man passed away, and the youtuber went to his funeral. The guy's deadname was all over the memorial display. They'd prettied him up to look more feminine. Even clothed his body in a dress, I think. People gave eulogies about her memory, her significance, her this, her that.
The youtuber (and this was all before he was even on youtube, by the way) finally had his turn to go up and give a eulogy. He went up and said a few words about his friend, and then absolutely laid into these people for their callousness; for barely understanding who this guy, the deceased, even was; for amending his history and mourning only the parts of him they could actually stomach. And then he left. Not much point in staying in the service after that.
Being able to do things like that, though, requires some emotional strength. It's a skill you have to practice. That youtuber wasn't the only one there who felt that way, but he was the only one to say anything.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 326d
That was a pretty good example. He was defending a minority by being abrasive towards those who just go with the flow and perpetuate injustice. If some people got offended, they got what they deserve.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 326d
Same, or a holier than thou comment, or a gatekeeper which is the most annoying because they can get passive aggressive
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 328d
Nah, I like seeing big numbers in the notification box. Monkey brain likes big numbers going up. And it feeds my validation, that my comment is important enough for people to respond to.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
Yes, but what if they’re also infuriating enough. I have very mixed feelings about that number.
JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 328d
I get this a little bit too, like "oh god, did I just kick a hornet's nest?" but at the end of the day it's just people on a forum giving their takes while having a dump, if I say the wrong shit I'll stand corrected and otherwise if it's trolls, fuck em.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
Yep. That’s like the rational side of my brain talking. The emotional monkey side just panics anyway even though there’s nothing to worry about.
markz@suppo.fi · 20 pts · 328d
You guys are seeing big numbers in your notification box?
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 7 pts · 328d
Normally it's like 0-2. On days when I write more actively, it gets a bit higher. If I happen to drop a comment in a popular thread at the right time, it can suddenly jump to 3-5, and that's when I start to worry. Did I cross some line I wasn't aware of, or maybe I was just at the right place at the right time. Who knows. 🤷 It's probably ok, but my subconscious mind immediately jumps to conclusions, naturally expecting the worst.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 328d
Nope!
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 4 pts · 328d
Oh wow! So you never ever mark them read, or how did that happen?
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 328d
I had a decent stretch where I was just making comments and expected them to get bad replies, or I didn't really have the space to care about any replies I got, so I stopped checking obsessively and they built up. I'm in my 30s with a wife, a toddler, and a job that alternates between "oh god you need to lock the fuck in for 8 hours straight" and "you're being paid to be here if something happens". I also have had some big life shit happen in the time since I started using lemmy that would pull me away from checking/responding.
Then I had some replies mentioning things I wanted to look into later, so those I made sure to keep as unread.
More recently, I find that I use my own profile's comment page and the upvotes and downvotes on any of my comments in there to get an idea of what I'm about to walk into. Also helps remind me what the fuck I posted in the first place. So any replies I interact with that way don't get marked as read either.
Kind of like email, once it passes something like 20 or 30 unread the count just kind of becomes visual noise.
naeap@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 327d
Can relate to being overwhelmed with the job and personal stuff
I just wanted to say, it seems at least you got your priorities straight.
Personally I just can't stop caring about every little shit thing - even while being in survival mode
And yes, I'm completely burned out
Need to get my priorities straight as well
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
That visual noise angle is true though. Once the number grows beyond a certain point, it looses all meaning. Might as well disable the red dot entirely, since it serves no purpose any more.
BTW "save for later" is a thing. I use that when I want to get back to something.
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 326d
Most I’ve ever had is 1-2. Guess I’m not that interesting.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
I think you’re somewhat interesting.
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
I appreciate your kind words.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
The number of comments, likes, upvotes, responses and other metrics rarely tell you about how interesting you and your comments are. Let's say there's a post with 100 upvotes, and the top comment has like 50 upvotes. If you drop a comment there, you can expect to get 10-30 upvotes. Not more than 50, because the the parent comment already has 50. In some rare cases, the child comment can get more upvotes than the parent, but don't count on it.
You are still a wonderful person even if you get only a handful of comments or upvotes. Even if you got zero, that doesn't change who you are or how good your comments are. These metrics usually tell you something about the time and place of the comment.
The content matters too, but to a lesser extent. If the comment is all middle fingers, don't expect many upvotes. Although, there are always exceptions. Posting the classic "fuck spez" is the kind of hostility people can get behind.
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
I should add “fuck spez” at the end of all my posts just in case. :p
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
That makes me miss the old forum days where everyone had some fancy bonus text (a signature) at the bottom of each post. Why don't we have signatures any more on any platform? Was it really such a bad idea that it died with the forums?
robocall@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 328d
Sometimes I'll be super active commenting and posting on lemmy and it actually gains traction and the next day I'm like "what have I done?!"
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
Yeah, that's a familiar feeling. One evening, you find interesting things to write about, and the next morning you have a stack of replies from the other side of the world.
squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 328d
Hi, I just wanted to make your inbox go bling. You didn't mess up and I hope you have a nice day.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 5 pts · 328d
Thanks. The number is already a bit overwhelming. Hopefully, I’ll get better at handling that feeling.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 328d
FishFace@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
Coming from reddit where I used to post on big current affairs subs there isn't really anything comparable here.
I comment to put my opinion across and also to be challenged. It takes me a long time to change my mind on something but it's only by hearing opposing views that it ever happens. In the meantime I generally enjoy defending my position and that's what I'm here for. It's a different perspective from yours but if a bunch of people disagree with me I don't think that I'm "being corrected" I think "my correct opinion is in the minority here."
Sometimes I do get a feeling of "here we go again", that's all
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
You're approaching it in a more sensible way, and I prefer that style too. It's just that my immediate emotional response to seeing the number is not in line with that sort of thinking. Most of the comments are totally harmless, so why worry so much. Some part of my mind just does irrational things.
FishFace@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
Well, I hope your exposure therapy works!
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
So far, so good. We'll see how that works out when I wake up tomorrow and look at a mountain of unread notifications. People on the other side of the planet tend surprise me.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 328d
Who cares what people on lemmy think about you or your opinions? I'd rather hear your honest opinion I disagree with than hear you agree with everybody else
Schlemmy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 327d
Agreed. I prefer this place to be a spot where you can disagree. I learn a lot from disagreements.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org · 2 pts · 327d
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 327d
It's true that the opinions and comments don't matter. At the end of the day, they're just meaningless internet points and text that will be lost when the disk of my instance eventually gets formatted or when bit rot gradually eats them away.
However, that's not how my social monkey brain feels about it. Some primitive part of me that ignores all logic and reason clings to the notion of social acceptance and shivers at the mere thought of rejection. Can't disable that sort of thinking. Seems to be a hard-coded part of a function or something.
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 327d
Not necessarily anxiety, but yeah usually my first thought is, "Oh shit, what ignorant thing did I say now?"
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 326d
Yeah, anxiety is a pretty strong word, but feeling worried is what I'm really talking about. You know, that uncomfortable feeling that you may have said something wrong and you're worried about what people might say. It's in the the same general direction as anxiety, but nowhere near as extreme as actual clinical anxiety. Maybe "worrying for nothing" is a more fitting expression for this thing.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 328d
Hell no.
The reason I post here is to discuss things with people like things.
roofuskit@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
Humblebrag.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 328d
Yup. Usually don't get much replies between checking, so if it's more than 2, I worry. Probably doesn't help that I have done the thing where I accidentally say something that a reasonable person would interpret quite differently than my intended message and reasonably got dogpiled because of it.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 4 pts · 328d
Finally someone who agrees with me and validates my fragile ego and childish vulnerabilities. Thanks. You made my day!
Usually, my inbox has like 1 or 2 replies, but anything bigger than that makes me think I must have screwed up somehow. For whaever reason, it just doesn’t cross my mind that all those comments could be neutral or even positive.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 328d
Well there's another stressful element that even if they are mostly positive or asking for further information, it's still a pile of "work I gotta do."
But remember, you don't actually have to respond to them. You can just click all the little check marks and move on. If you don't like what they said, there's always the down arrow. Or the up to acknowledge their support.
I don't, for instance, expect any kind of reply from you.
If it helps, remember that a ton of downvotes will knock your comment right off most people's feed. And unlike the R place, that number isn't going to follow you around forever.
If you're being misinterpreted, you can always add an edit, see if it helps.
In any case, Lemmy is a place for discussion. If you have responses, that means you contributed to the conversation. You didn't mess up. Even if you were completely Wrong, it gives an opportunity for lots of other people to post the Correction.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
Yeah, I try to think about the number in a more neutral/positive way, even though my initial emotional reaction could be less helpful. You're absolutely right that those are also opportunities to learn.
That's actually one of the best things about Lemmy, and even Reddit to some extent. Let's say you think you know something about a specific topic (like maps, steam locomotives, pharmacology or whatever), because you read an article about it 5 years ago. You write a short comment based on what you think you know, and then someone with a PhD in underwater basket weaving corrects you, because you didn't get half the details right. That should be taken as an opportunity, but it doesn't always feel like that. Even when the comment is helpful and friendly, I still know I screwed up. It's not a big deal, but my feelings aren't rational about these things.
yoyoyopo5@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
The point is to be controversial. While we still can be.
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Lol sorta. For me, I run official accounts in these sorts of circles mainly because I despise modern corporate social media platforms, I'd still be on newsgroups if it weren't so much work lol.
So, I do enjoy seeing notifs, mainly in the hope (like every other boring ass economist) that I get to have some dialog on an interesting topic.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
Wait, you're an actual real-life economist?
Don't mind if I do. I've wanted talk to economists for such a long time, because that's one of the many areas I couldn't include in my formal studies. Yeah, you gotta graduate eventually, and you can't keep on adding more and more courses that have nothing to do with what you're really trying to achieve, LOL.
Anyway, I'm really curious about the state of economics as a discipline. Do you see it as a mature science, or do you think economics still has a long way to go? Are there widely accepted solid theories that no longer change? You know, like a solid foundation you can confidently build upon? Is every new recession a hurricane that tares through the walls and buries the previous foundation under a mountain of mud?
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Lol yea, think tank thing is real as well. First-gen student and all that, so thought hell I have the education might as well use it, even if I'm a one man show here. This is genuinely turning into a whole lecture here lmao so uh, good luck lol.
Funny you say that, that's actually one of the reasons I'm trying to push my local library to host a few community education semminars and the such, in a perfect world I would spend my life going from one subject to another just soaking in everything I can.
Economics as a whole, and the economists themselves, can either end up being practically stuck in the 19th or 20th century, or standing right on the bleeding edge of theory and application. While as a field in and of itself, economics equally relies on existing mathematical principles for use, so it's a rarity to find an economist trying to create new mathematical principle like you would with a mathematician, but you will find lots of economists working to use new mathematics to integrate into economics models. A good example of this, is how often models used in the world of physics end up being used in modeling economies, or specific sectors. Even right now, the most common model used for determining market averages is a 19th century equation developed to determine the temperature of a room. Though that's not even looking at the priciples of the subject, which are as old as know written language, if I recall you can still find basic economic principles on old cuneiform tablets. As for actual acceptance of theory, it's pretty much always up for grabs, given it's a field of observations on the real world, it's impossible by it's nature to have a universal proof, mathematically speaking at least.
As for currently widely accepted theory, the easiest to point to in the modern world are two basic assumptions. First, is that in any given economy, growth is considered a perpetuity. In the junior economics world (aka business leaders lol) they take that as the mantra "expand or die," though it's quite a bit more accurate to see each part of an economy, whether that's a single business or entire sector, as limited in it's current full potential, but the additions to the economy as a whole tend to be stay within the whole, in one form or another, even if that firm or sector disappears. Mostly this is through research, infrastructure, even how taxes paid get redistributed. So, you can technically have "infinite" future growth, while still operating within a limited resource world.
Of course the problem is most businness leaders and politicians don't end up taking that longer run thinking, and just jump into the take everything you can and give nothing back bandwagon.
Recessions are a bit of of a hot-bed in the policy side of things, given the underlying assumption of the post-war economic models implemented in the US after WW2, and copied world-wide, is that consistent inflation on a year to year basis would be able to both foster greater economic growth by increasing total possible credit in an economy (which it does) but, that that year to year constant inflation rates should also prevent recessions and general depressions. Of course that half hasn't come true, most senior economists over the years have pivoted into the viewpoint that controlled inflation smoothes out larger recessions and depressions, but that's still up in the air. Since the 2008 recession was very much a depression, with many recessions ocurring pretty much decade after decade since it was enacted in 1945, it's very much being questioned as a central policy, but for the most part it hasn't collapsed so it's still probably going to be enacted.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 325d
Thanks for the wall of text. :D Really appreciate it that you took the time to explain these things.
Anyway, I have some follow-up questions about the stability/volatility of theories. Recently, I've been thinking about the how firm and solid the models and theories are in different sciences. For example, physics has all the basics pretty well nailed down, whereas in psychology even the basic things tend to get frequent updates as more data becomes available and old ideas get challenged.
In physics, there are models that have known blind spots. Currently, we know that our model of gravity is ok for large objects such as tennis balls, planets, stars and galaxies. In an atomic scale though, our model of gravity just doesn't line up with our understanding of quantum mechanics. So what about Economics then? Have we identified serious flaws in our economic models, like we have with gravity, or are the models about as solid as the theory of atoms or energy?
Or maybe the models are more like suggestions that kinda work occasionally, but mostly you have to take the predictions with a grain of salt. You mentioned that the idea of controlled inflation smoothing out larger recessions and depressions is still debated, so maybe that concept could be contrasted with the theory of gravity. It works for the most part, but there are known issues with it.
When atoms and electrons were discovered, a whole lot got rewritten, but now that we've been working with these fancy new particles for about a hundred years, this part is looking pretty well established. Finer details like string theory is anything but solid, but the big picture is nice and firm. It doesn't look likely that any new data would lead to us throwing away our idea of atoms. Quite the contrary, now that we've even got pictures of individual atoms, and we have the means to manipulate them individually. Obviously, the finer details are absolutely going to change as better data becomes available, but those topics are quite exotic, like dark matter and dark energy.
The whole concept of atoms is about as solid as it gets, but are there comparable theories in economics? Something fundamental that has been tested countless times and nobody has been able to prove that the idea is wrong. Something that is accepted as a foundational cornerstone and is unlikely to get thrown out the window. Maybe something like supply and demand, but is that actually solid enough? Does that stuff get tested, debated and challenged? Have economists found some holes in these kinds of theories?
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Lol sorry for taking so long, night classes are totally kicking my ass.
I love the way you put the question, to give you a simple answer, no.
The closest I could say that would fit the bill would be the general assumption that if one person has one thing, another person has another thing, there should be some measurable mutual demand in most cases that will allow for a mutual agreement as to make a trade.
Outside of that, pretty much the entirety of the field is based on various assumptions that compound one another, or build upon earlier assumptions to try and make better theories as to how the markets function, or how to use past and current data to create better predictions of the future markets. While less so do now, many would dedicate their time towards better study and understanding as to past market conditions as well.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 327d
Why the fuck would you post this? It's wrong and you're wrong and you're a bad person and you should feel bad! Fuck! Fucking fuckety fuck!
Strider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 328d
It's like a box of candies...
Surprising constructive discussion or did I clumsily step on someone's ego again?
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
Yeah, that randomness can be addictive… and anxiety inducing. You never know which seemingly harmelss comment kicks up the hornet’s nest and which doesn’t until it’s too late.
Strider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
I guess I don't comment enough for that to happen. Or I'm too old and don't gaf if even I myself sometimes can't follow my thoughts.
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
Not worried exactly - but aware that I probably said something factually incorrect and now dozens of helpful people are lined up to set me straight.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 327d
Or dozenz to rip you a new one for defending a non (f)oss way of computing.
How dare you.
(and yet the same will use something like Plex, lol)
hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 328d
I never got big numbers there. Maybe because I don't write posts much and only comment.
guy@piefed.social · 5 pts · 328d
Depends on what instance or post I have commented on recently!
Was it .ml and there's many notifications? sigh
Some meme I commented something I felt was witty? weeee
ILoveUnions@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
I say relatively controversial shit(not to troll--things I actually believe in) quite often. I've gone since gotten used to lists of disparaging comments. It's better to take it as an interaction dopamine hit
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org · 2 pts · 327d
Eq0@literature.cafe · 5 pts · 328d
Just to mess with you, I’m tempted to write a dozen comments with no real content… but other than that: i think it’s quite normal. Floods of negative reactions are more likely than positive ones, and more feared. In the other hand, Lemmy is a pretty chill place and, even when I got negative reactions, they were still cordial.
All in all, we are social monkey, and we care a lot about our social capital. That used to be the difference between survival by and death in nature, and we are still rooted that way. Even if we are accruing social capital with anonymous internet users we will likely never meet in person
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
LOL. That sort of messing around is exactly what I would be tempted to do as well. I know that feeling a bit too well.
Also, totally agree with you on that social monkey thing. Must be like some sort of evolutionary adaptation that kept our ancestors in cohesive tribes. I guess lonely hunters would die of starvation or get eaten by wolves, so sticking together has some tangible value.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 326d
I like that you've shared this so we can all bond over the same anxiety.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
Mission accomplished! Now I know that I'm not alone with these confusing feelings. It's a journey of self-discovery we can all embark on together. Well, maybe not all, since some people use Lemmy in a very different way.
Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 327d
I would have to post something that people interact with.. I'm not that kind of person. I usually get none to one reply to stuff I post, I think the highest mine has ever gone is three. I also couldn't keep up with it.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 327d
It’s mostly about time and place. What the post actually contains matters far less. Post in a big community or at a time when most people are awake, and you’re guaranteed to get lots of upvotes and comments. Post in a niche community, and you’ll be lucky to get a handful of upvotes, and maybe even a single comment.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
Just replying to bump your unread inbox message count.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
Yeah.... Thanks, I guess. I knew what I was getting into, and I got what I deserve.
Then again, I would have done the exact same thing in your place, so I have exactly zero moral high ground here.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
No
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
No. It means I made the imaginary internet points number that no one cares for go up.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 328d
132 updoots! I feel so validated for 90 seconds!
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 327d
Lemmy needs the "disable inbox replies" feature for comments imo. Although lately I see mostly polite disagreement.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 5 pts · 327d
I politely disagree.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 327d
That's really interesting, because a surprising number of people here ignore the number or just mark all as read every month. It's like treating comment replies as spam. I guess that's what you have to do if you're a drive-by shooter and never wish to face any consequences, but I'm not that kind of a psychopath.
BTW that could be a great post for !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world. If you end up posting it there, I'm really curious to see why people disagree with that... or more importantly, how many actually agree. Based on the small sample here, I think the latter group is not a tiny minority.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 327d
Of course if someone never wants to read comments they can just do that, but I think that's a bit of a different thing because it seems that would indicate disinterest in back and forth engagement here overall instead of just a specific kind.
I wonder though why you feel that you should "face consequences" for expressing an opinion you expect will be unpopular, while at the same time expressing anxiety about the possibility of it happening (when you have conviction you're right even), because that's honestly confusing to me. Why would it necessarily mean you 'screwed up' just because what you have to say triggered hostility? Wouldn't it be better just to be able to worry about it less, and express yourself more freely without chilling effects? People might say this could be abused, but I guess the way I see it is that letting others have the last word is what it amounts to externally, and what you choose to read or feel yourself is private and something you have broad license to make your own choices about.
For me the most common situation on Reddit where I use this feature is if I have something to say in disagreement with someone who is already talking aggressively about something. Where I have good reason to think they're likely to leave a nasty response, and that there likely won't be anything productive left to say, I'll probably have to hold myself back from responding further anyway, so there's no point feeling anxious in the meantime worrying about getting the inbox notification.
I also disable vote scores, though fortunately that's something Lemmy does have now afaik.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
When I've faced the consequences, I've learned a lot.
For example, I thought I knew something about a particular topic, wrote an ignorant comment based on my misguided perceptions, and got called out—rightfully so. Having banged my head against that wall a few times, I've learned to do a little more fact checking before writing about something I think I saw in a documentary many years ago.
So, let's say you write something about the blood circulation of giraffes, there's a pretty good chance that an actual biologist will read the comment and point out the obvious mistakes.
These situations are a good opportunity to learn about biology, but probably not my favorite way. You know, posting something wrong is the fastest way to find out what the real answer is, because people love to correct other people. Posting the same thing as a question just won't be so effective. :D
There are also other types of situations where facing consequences is useful. If you're intentionally insulting people, and they react accordingly, you might want to consider how sensible that style really is. If you never read the responses, you might not even think about these things. That's sort of like maintaining a drive-by shooter lifestyle with no intention to change.
As you pointed out, there are also lots of other situations, where the consequences are not useful or even justified. Expressing an unpopular opinion or insulting people who deserve it may cause some dogpiling. Treating those comments like spam is fine by me, but it's not something that happens very often to me though. Maybe this highlights the fact that people use Lemmy in a variety of different ways, and my experiences are not as universal as I would like to imagine.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
This is a good point, there are definitely plenty of times I've gotten a response and ended up embarrassed and rethinking a bit how I approach things, and I'm certainly not advocating to avoid that. And maybe "disable inbox replies" is more something with niche uses and not a general solution here. I guess the main reason I mention it is, most of the time I have felt a similar kind of anxiety about responses has been over some specific comment I believed really should be said but knew was likely to get a hostile reaction, and being able to rule out worries over those specific comments helped a lot on Reddit.
The larger point I want to make though is that the anxiety you are describing in the OP post should be overcome, and shouldn't be a struggle people face alone without help. I want to hear from more perspectives, and it's not great to think it's likely many are deterred entirely by this sort of fear of social disapproval. IMO learning from mistakes is harder if it's considered as and feels like a punishment or enforcement of some external will.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
Someone disagrees with me.
Someone is pointing out an error I made.
Someone is arguing an exception to prove me wrong.
I made an agreeable statement.
In that order of priority.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 326d
I will answer the first one, if it's not condescending, but most of the time it is, so I just don't respond to it.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 326d
Wait, so you're primarily expecting the responses to be written by people who disagrees with you? You must enjoy politics.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Haha, yeah I do comment a bit in politics. Here it’s not too bad, I tend to have similar views as many here so the disagreements are the “genocide joe” type more often than not.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Yes, especially since I'm an asshole and there's no option to disable inbox replies for comments on Lemmy (so I can't just hit and run). Nearly gives me an anxiety attack every time.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 327d
You like to play it dangerous, it seems. Keep things spicy? In this thread I've bumped into more than a few people who do the same and ignore all notifications too. To them, it's just a huge meaningless number that grows all the time. These people are essentially the drive-by shooter of the online world.
beerclue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
I do, and not only on Lemmy, but also Whatsapp, Teams, email etc. It's the fear of screwing up and/or missing out, and a wave of anxiety combs over me when I see a number >0. I've been talking with my therapist about it, there are reasons and methods to overcome this...
Valmond@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
Teams is hell, on a job we had all teams having their channels (so like 30?) and you were "supposed to follow them" but they churned out hundreds and hundreds of messages every week, add your own channel and emails and gasp your work... So productive.
sanguinepar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
Same here - any notification, for anything, my immediate assumption is that it's someone who (rightly or wrongly) is angry with me or has bad news, or whatever. It's fucking exhausting.
beerclue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 328d
I feel you.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
Same thing when your boss calls.
[tele tubbies ring tone]
Gulp. The whole office must be on fire and it's all my fault, isn't it.
[answers the phone]
Oh ok. Lunch at 11.30. Sure, no problem. See you there. Bye.
Phew.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
Wow! Anything above zero? That must be agonizing. At work, I get lots of Teams messages, but I don’t find that so crippling. It’s just social media stuff like Lemmy where I have such mixed feelings about the numbers.
Oh, and sorry for the reply. Hope you can handle it. Here, have some flowers to cheer you up. 💐
beerclue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
Haha, thanks :)
Well, I don't use any social media (besides Lemmy), so that helps :) There are a couple of Whatsapp group chats where I rarely participate, but I muted those, so I don't get any alerts.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
Oh WhatApp group chats? I can still remember the time when I had those. What an awful waste of time. Don't miss those bad old days at all.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 326d
I cringe actually, because sometimes you get troll comments or condescending response like "akshually, or this is not that or this, and you are,,," so I end up just putting them as read all and not respond
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 326d
Makes sense. If the responses are just just trash, treat them as spam. Hopefully that doesn't happen very often.
usernameusername@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 328d
I get the same feeling sometimes, but only when I posted something that I know could be going against the general opinion. Otherwise I'm happy to see the number go up
Schlemmy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 327d
I'm on .ml . They don't tend to like opinions.
kepix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
its usually cause the communist gang or the linux gang has discovered my opinion. no need for alarm.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
Yeah, business as usual. You say what you usually say, people freak out, nothing new. Rinse and repeat.
Nikls94@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
The community
Must
Grow
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 326d
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
LOL. There are surprisingly many people like that. There should be a community where you can post these pictures. It could be like a competition of sorts.
Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org · 3 pts · 328d
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 3 pts · 328d
Most of the time it's about owls or art cause that's what I tend to reply to.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 328d
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
LOL. So, I take it you never mark any of them read. I mean, that's one way to fix the problem, sure.
Krudler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
No, because I use Boost and I do not let it check notis. I revisit comments that I would like to have a conversation around and I look for meaningful responses. I really don't care what the average person says as most of the time it's the player piano music in their head, or some logical fallacy.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 327d
No, it means I said something impactful enough for someone to respond. Even if they disagree with me it opens the door for a discussion. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm about to learn something, maybe I'll be able to explain something to someone else, maybe I'll get to argue with a moron, so many possibilities in those notifications.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 327d
Viewing it as an opportunity is clearly the way to go. Far healthier than worrying for nothing.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 327d
Yeah, I sometimes get that feeling "uh oh, what did I do?"
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 327d
We may be a minority. Turns out, lots of people don’t get that feeling.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 327d
I just press
mark all as readchaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 327d
So you don’t read them at all?
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 327d
Well, sometimes, if they're mostly negative I don't bother reading them.
LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
I dunno about you, but I had that as a left over from reddit, damn they're unnecessarily harsh over there.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
It takes time to heal from that kind of trauma. Stay strong!
LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 325d
Thanks, lovely.
cactus_head@programming.dev · 2 pts · 328d
God, so much this, and thinking you are crazy for thinking that while also knowing on surface level, a lot of other people feel the same way
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
Emotions and rational thinking don't really see eye to eye. One is like: "OMG! We're all gonna die!" while the other is like "Take it easy. It's not a big deal."
In many cases, you think your emotional response is unique and applies to nobody besides yourself. In reality though, many people feel the same way, but they just don't talk about it.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 327d
👁️🗨️👀👁️
I've never even looked, I use Boost.
plactagonic@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 328d
Last week this happened!
I didn't remember writing the post, nothing offensive I was just asking about good boardgames to play drunk. It was bit surprising seeing the notifications.
prex@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 328d
Now I want to see that thread, you must have got some beauties.
What was the top suggestion?
plactagonic@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 328d
https://sopuli.xyz/post/33952595
Here's the post.
prex@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 327d
Nice, thanks
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 328d
Occasionally. Then I tell myself that screwing up on the internet, and especially Lemmy is basically, “Oh no! Anyway…” Most people wasn’t remember your username 5 minutes after they rage at you, if they ever read it to begin with. And no one knows who you are in real life of course. That said, I do still feel like an idiot when someone takes issue with something I said that I wasn’t necessarily certain was the right thing to say, or that agreed with popular sentiment. It doesn’t always work for making my monkey brain feel better, but it usually works at least somewhat.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 328d
Never look at my inbox. Not once.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
FUCK YOUUU!!!
Let's see if you see this one
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 328d
LOL. Here, have some Lemmy Silver.
That's exactly the kind of energy I like to see.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
Thanks kind internet stranger
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 328d
urheber@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 328d
It tingles my nervea
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 328d
Nope. I just go in periodically and click the button to mark all as read. The button doesn't actually verify that I've read them, basically just takes my word for it and then makes the number go away ... kind of in the Lemmy way where it might go away for a second, come back a minute later, go away again for awhile, then come back again for a bit, and then finally truly go away long term, permanently.
Joking aside, I get way too much hostility here on Lemmy for what amounts to making stupid boomer-style jokes and sharing personal anecdotes, so I don't even bother reading replies in my inbox anymore. I find my time on Lemmy is much more cathartic and enjoyable this way. Sadly, that does mean I probably miss out on some discussions or responses to questions I've asked, but at least I don't generally ever even see the nastiness and negativity towards me when I'm just here for a mostly light-hearted break from reality. And that works for me. After all, haters gonna hate, don't mean I gotta participate.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
Let me guess, you throw those light-hearted boomer jokes in political threads. I prefer to avoid places like that, since they bring me no happiness. For me, the web is a place to chill, a balancing force to the dull reality of normal life. Sticking with nicer places makes the web serve my purposes.
Anyway, that's yet another very interesting way to use Lemmy and its inbox. I'm learning so much from people in this thread, so thanks for opening my eyes. If I had kept my mouth shut, expecting everyone to use Lemmy the way I do, I would never have found out.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
I do still freak out thinking i've been banned. Then i remember this isn't reddit and lemmy appreciates free speech. Then i look at the notifications and most of them are just people adding on to my comment and a good bit of upvotes.
It's nice to be in a place full of open minded people who are nerdy. Just where i want to be.
WindyRebel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
Your name is chaosCruiser. Fucking embrace the chaos!
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
I merely cruise through the chaos, letting it happen everywhere around me. No comments on who caused it originally.
There is no clarity, there is confusion.
There is no structure, there is disarray.
There is no order, there is chaos.
frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 326d
I feel I need a few weeks to respond when I notice people dog piling me. It’s not common, but I don’t want to deal with all that negativity out there gate with people when I’m just looking to have a conversation.
Some people are looking to jump on you the second you even broach some topics which can be a bit frustrating.
Thankfully most of Lemmy has been so friendly, it’s other places that actually have gotten to me more.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 326d
I sometimes will respond to some comments if they aren't being obnoxious, and will block the trolls
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 326d
Judging by some of the other comments here, there are surprisingly many people who try to have a civilized conversation in a places where things escalate very easily into a flame war. I prefer to avoid conversations that lead to that much negativity, which highlights yet another interesting usage difference. Because of that, I don't face anywhere near as much hostility as some other people. If I used Lemmy that way, dogpiling might occur more frequently, and I might approach it exactly the way you do—by neglecting those messages for a while.
Speaking of the friendly vibe, I think that's just one of the many benefits of being a small platform. If Lemmy got like 100x the number of users, that vibe would probably shift in a more negative direction.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
lol naaaah :)
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
I haven't gotten to a point where I couldn't read all the messages I got yet
Tracaine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
I've never experienced that. I can't imagine it would worry me either way though. The internet isn't real life. It literally doesn't matter. I'd have as much concern as if I saw unread notifications in a video game.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 2 pts · 326d
I didn't read anything but the title. When I see a lot in the inbox I mark all as read and never look back.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 326d
This is the way. Basically, the rule 1 of internet.
Always react based on the title, ignore any news articles or long explanations the post may have. Never click the news article, since we all know journalists are very good at conveying the core message in the title without implying anything even a little bit distorted. On top of that, the average Joes posting their random ideas are also professionals when it comes to crafting descriptive post titles.
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 328d
At 324 and going, I don't think I care much. I just don't interact with many, and don't mark read without interacting. So they remain
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
That's an interesting strategy. Looks like we are using the inbox in very different ways.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 328d
At worst it's bunch of strangers on the other side of the world saying mean things to a person they know nothing about. I might lose a small part of the little faith I have left in humanity but I take none of it personally.
Diva@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 328d
I only clear my inbox every few months, I like to see how big I can get the number
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 2 pts · 328d
That is very interesting. Talking to people about weird things like this shows me that we use the same tools in very different ways. For example, many people prefer to look at the "all" feed and filter it with an ever expanding black list. I do the exact opposite, which is to use a reasonably short white list. Just ignore the "all" feed for the most part, focus more on the "subscribed" feed, and you get what you want.
Now I can see that people don't even use the notification inbox the same way. If there's an alternate way to do things, some people are going to do it that way.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 327d
i get dopamine.
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org · 1 pts · 328d
Yep. Although for me it's not the fear of screwing up, but knowing that I'll be infuriated when I check them.
Usually it's politics in that case and you already know a bunch of people will dogpile onto you despite you being right. You'll get the same stupid liberal misconception multiple times from different people.
It's infuriating and something no platform can fix. A fix would require the overton window to move.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 1 pts · 328d
I treat political discussions the same way I deal with radiation—distance is key. If you can't have enough distance with the radiation source, you need limit exposure by having something suitably protective between you and the source. Needless to say, I don't read any political communities. While browsing c/news I tend to avoid the comment section if it looks like the headline is likely to ignite another flame war.
That sort of endless debating just siphons my will to live, so I think it's safer to steer clear instead.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 328d
Internet shit isn't real, and Lemmy is even less real than most
gilokee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
I should hope it's more real. I think there's less AI spam bullshit here, because companies don't know or care about us.