Mercedes driver sentenced to 30 days in jail for beating a cyclist unconscious after he complained about his parking in a bike lane
http://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/kyiv-court-detains-mercedes-driver-for-assaulting-cyclist/
http://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/kyiv-court-detains-mercedes-driver-for-assaulting-cyclist/
73 Comments
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 183 pts · 330d
30 days seems kinda light for nearly killing somebody and definitely giving them lifelong problems….
Greddan@feddit.org · 100 pts · 330d
pageflight@piefed.social · 45 pts · 330d
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 328d
Ah, so the title of this post is completely wrong, since he has not been sentenced yet.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 1 pts · 328d
Scrollone@feddit.it · 7 pts · 328d
English is not my native tongue and TIL that jail and prison mean two different things
You really never stop learning!
brisk@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 328d
Please don't learn from this. Jail and prison are synonymous in most of the English speaking world. The article also doesn't use the word jail and the English wikipedia article on Prison in Ukraine uses "jail" as a synonym for "prison". As far as I know "jail" as specifically pre-trial remand is a strictly American thing, and this didn't happen in America.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 330d
teft@piefed.social · 12 pts · 330d
Why assume his tone is rude? He made two statements that seem factually correct and weren’t rude. Remember that this is the internet and tone doesn’t exist. If you read it as rude maybe that’s a you thing and not a them thing.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -12 pts · 329d
go back and read the comment
teft@piefed.social · 7 pts · 329d
Someone pointing out you should have read the article for the information isn't rude. It's just saying go reread the article because you either missed something or didn't read it. Because again, tone doesn't exist on the internet.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -17 pts · 329d
go back and read the comment you just wrote
Greddan@feddit.org · 1 pts · 328d
DampCanary@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 330d
kinda?!
that should be treated as atempted murder (period)
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 330d
well the “kinda” was sardonic
sourhill@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 329d
“Definitely”
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 169 pts · 330d
He drives a G-Class SUV, they start at $148,000.
He beat a bicyclist unconscious just for complaining.
I think the assumption that he's a rich, entitled douche is justified.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 329d
Dunno sounds more like psychopath behaviour …
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 329d
That's what they said.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · -5 pts · 329d
Yeah, as a Mercedes guy (currently driving an Audi, but that's an entirely different story that I'd like to end as soon as possible) I'd like to discount anyone whose Mercedes costs over 100k from our ranks. When it's at least 10 or 15 years old, the second or third or whatever owner can be considered a Mercedes person again.
The brand new G class folks in particular give us a very bad rep, since it's usually rich assholes who care about the looks, rather than its excellent offroad capabilities. Those of us driving stuff from previous eras love the excellent engineering, the cars that are built to keep going forever if maintained... And then you've got assholes like this ruining the three-pointed for everyone.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 328d
Uh, look at the sub name.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 328d
I like cars. Love driving. I still think cities should be walkable and have good public transit. In fact I prefer driving outside big cities.
Fuckcars has always been "fuck car dependence" mostly.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 327d
Why do we need both, then? Cars are always going to come at the detriment of other forms of transportation. Cars have externalities that no other form has; every time you drive a km, you kill a fractional human being. How do you do the math on that and decide you liking cars is more important than the significant fraction of a human being that you kill? It's like alcohol; there's no good amount, but the addicts are going to insist otherwise on the flimsiest of evidence.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 327d
Because sometimes I like getting there in one hour instead of 4 by train because my route isn't common enough to build a railroad for, so I'd have to take two trains. This goes for more than one place I sometimes need to get to. Keep in mind, I live in a properly small town currently.
You also kill a fractional human being every time you take the bus or train, the fraction is just significantly smaller. But it's there.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 310d
it's "not common enough to build a railroad for" because everyone is driving.....
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 310d
Literally not enough people for the government to spend the amount it would cost.
The efficient place to do it would go through marshland as well.
sunflowercowboy@feddit.org · 2 pts · 328d
You can think cars are problem while acknowledging aspects they are necessary in. Off road on a bike is ludicrously difficult, impossible on trains or busses, and dangerous at times on foot.
Acknowledging it as the problem is a fallacy, acknowledging as a tool is important. You use the right tool for the job, not the most convenient. The issue is that we live in a society that sees vice grips as good enough for the job, and anything as a hammer. Using the right tool is important but laziness is easiest.
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 328d
Literally responded to another comment already: just because I like cars doesn't mean I favour car dependency or car-centric city design. Those are the things this community used to be against, not me driving between towns that will never receive a direct rail connection.
Also subs are a reddit thing, why use that terminology here?
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 328d
gha, nothing like the nouveau rich right? previous era mercedes like, the 30s and 40s right?
yeah breaks my heart poor nazi collaborators getting a bad rap because of these pricks lol
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 328d
I personally meant 80s, 90s and 00s as my favourite periods, but okay. Let's go with that logic.
The Deutsche Reichsbahn was used to transport Jewish people to concentration camps, and the current Deutsche Bahn is a successor. Should Germans protest trains then?
Actually, matter of fact, Škoda tech was extensively used by the nazis (both Škoda tanks and guns, in fact), so really I can't take the train here in Estonia anymore either, I might catch a Škoda by accident..
For distances outside of bicycle reach, that leaves me Uyghur genocide flavored cars, hypercapitalist corporatocracy flavored cars (South Korea consists of like 3 companies, one of them being Hyundai and Kia), Hirohito cars and buses (some bus services here use Isuzu), or nazi cars and buses. Or I guess Mussolini cars and Trump cars, but who wants anything Italian or American anyway.
If you consider historic ties of different companies to dictatorships that ended 80 years ago, you can honestly be left unable to use any mode of transport other than a bicycle, depending on where you live. Don't get me wrong, I love bicycles, I used to willingly cycle 15 km to gym (and then 15 km back) as a teenager instead of taking the bus. But a lot of the time, bicycles aren't practical, and nearly every car, train or bus company has been at some point connected to some dictatorship.
Geodad@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 330d
SARGE@startrek.website · 34 pts · 330d
ileanallama@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 330d
should be 30 months
ywuduyu@piefed.social · 35 pts · 330d
What was the brand name of the bike? /s
aramis87@fedia.io · 19 pts · 330d
They're implying someone who's rich and feels entitled.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 330d
As someone who drives a Mercedes I’m neither rich nor entitled.
Edit: Who downvotes this lol.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 329d
That's what any rich and entitled person would say.
A former boss of mine who owned his (very large and expensive) house plus three other houses that he rented out, plus 51% stakes in two companies which were both worth at least €10mio each also claimed that he's "upper middle class" and that the things he feels entitled to are just what regular middle class people are entitled to.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 329d
I like to life by the following rule:
Anybody that says all X are Y, then that persons probably biased or an idiot.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 329d
... you do understand that your rule includes anyone who lives by that rule?
You just called yourself a biased idiot.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 329d
squaresinger@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 329d
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 329d
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 329d
There's literally research on this topic that clearly says that most people count themselves as middle-class, no matter if they are part of the top 0.1% or of the bottom 10%.
This is not made up.
For example: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/10/survey-31percent-of-millionaires-say-they-are-part-of-the-middle-class.html
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 329d
TimeNaan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 330d
Yeah, what a strange detail for a headline
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 330d
We live in a very car-centric culture, everything is a reminder.
Brand is a useless detail.
For nerds a detailed model wound be needed.
And for those saying 'that means rich' -
again more model info of the carthe info if there person is rich is needed.A detail from the OPs article like:
There is a full vid too (some news vid):

girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 330d
The video you linked had a clip of the assailant with what looks like a mansion and several luxuries from a previous video. It definitely seems like this is a rich person.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 329d
Sorry, there seems to be some confusion & I prob wasn't clear - I never said he wasn't rich, the whole first part is a comment on the stupid article headline, the subject I was replying to (if anything, that it wasn't clear from the headline that he was rich).
They had his ID, they could have just said 'rich guy' instead of driver.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
What about the video makes you think he is not rich?
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 329d
Sorry, there seems to be some confusion & I prob wasn't clear - I never said he wasn't rich, the whole first part is a comment on the stupid article headline, the subject I was replying to (if anything, that it wasn't clear from the headline that he was rich).
They had his ID, they could have just said 'rich guy' instead of driver.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 329d
This makes more sense, now I understand what you mean. I think they use "mercedes driver", because it paints a picture. "Mercedes driver" implies not only "rich", but also "entitled", "anger management issues" and "difficulty with following road laws".
And at the same time it allows the reader (who might share some of these characteristics) to still claim moral superiority over that guy ("At least I don't drive a Mercedes").
It is, in fact, a very clever headline that does quite a lot with very little.
It does so using stereotypes and prejudices, and that might totally be seen as despicable. But I wouldn't call it stupid.
(In fact, labelling him as a "rich driver" does quite a similar thing. His wealth itself doesn't really matter for the story, unless you want to evoke the connotations of "entitled", "thinks he is above the law" and "gets away with doing things poor people could not get away with", while allowing people who share some of these characteristics to still claim moral superiority ("I'm not a rich asshole like that guy").)
9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 330d
Cyclist is a dentist riding a SirVélo
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 329d
That's fucked up.
Cyclists should keep a nice, long screw in their bag. When someone parks like an asshole, no need to say anything, just prop the screw up under one of their tires and get on with your day.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 329d
It's reusable and leaves essentially no evidence of tampering. Additionally, if the person cares about safety at all, they'll stop the car immediately and the tire can be reused, but if they keep driving, it's ruined.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 327d
Takes hundreds of times longer
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 327d
No it doesn't, you don't have to wait for it to empty and remove the stem. Just loosen it a bit.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 2 pts · 328d
What's the name of this object?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 328d
Tire stem/valve tool
AA5B@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 329d
As someone who was yelled at for “parking in the bike lane” because I had a flat tire and that was the only place I could find to pull over …. Just assuming the worst and jumping right to violence is part of the problem, not the solution
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 328d
Just a note here: Having mechanical issues with your vehicle (your private property) does not give you the right to break driving laws. A car with a flat is still capable of driving enough to move out of the way to a space that isn't impeding traffic and/or putting others in danger.
Granted, blocking a bike lane isn't likely to put someone in immediate danger, but you are still blocking people from getting past so some amount of anger should be expected. Cyclists have to deal with so much crap being parked/dumped/littered in their bike lanes.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 10 pts · 328d
It may put bikers in danger though, because you force them to move out of the bike path into the car lane.
FishFace@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 328d
The danger it puts cyclists in is minimal. A bit of paint is not much protection, and cyclists cycle safely in the car lane on many roads.
Making it about danger is hyperbolic.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 327d
Appeal to "trust me bro ive seen the numbers"
FishFace@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 327d
Didn't expect to see "a painted cycle lane is significantly safer than no cycle lane" in this comm
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 327d
If that were true, we wouldn't need bike lanes in the first place
Jhex@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 329d
what part of your story justifies beating an innocent person unconcious?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
They yelled at them of course! /S
AA5B@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 328d
In response to
One violent attack doesn’t justify an arms race.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
you are replying to the wrong person
astutemural@midwest.social · 7 pts · 328d
Giving someone a flat tire is not even remotely comparable to beating someone unconscious
Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 328d
Why park in the bike lane instead of the car lane?
Do bikes with flat tires pull over and park in the car lane?
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
You can choose whichever you like but I’m more comfortable risking getting run over by one than the other
Importantly this was in a city.
FishFace@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
Deflating tyres is not violent.
teft@piefed.social · 20 pts · 330d
This is why i’m glad i’m large and trained in combat. Some drivers will get aggressive with me on my bike but then i get off my bike and they see my size (only 183 cm but colombians are mostly tiny) and they drive away. I really don’t get the attitude of getting aggressive with bikers. We’re way less protected than car people.
Also carrying a collapsible baton might be a good idea for anyone who can’t fight that well. They’re great for hitting an aggressive car or person near you.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 329d
Not allowed to carry weapons in the UK. Bike locks are pretty good clubs though. But I have had more problems with dogs chasing me on my bike than from angry drivers. Sure I could stomp a poodle, but wtf do you do with a fighting dog?
teft@piefed.social · 2 pts · 329d
I kick any dog that chases me. Not so hard they get injured, just so they stop because i don’t want to have to get rabies shots. I’ve only had it happen a few times though. Aggressive people are more common in my neck of the woods.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 329d
And how does that work against a fighting dog? Sure I can see it working on a small dog but not really had a problem with them. At least rabies isn't a problem here I suppose.
teft@piefed.social · 2 pts · 329d
How does it work? Are you asking how to kick or are the dogs chasing you superdogs? Every dog i've kicked from my bike has immediately stopped their yapping and chasing. I'm not too worried about dogs anyways since if they get more aggressive i'll just fight them. Dogs tend to respect you if you are a better fighter than them. So shove your finger up their butthole or your hand down their throat. They will stop. If you're a small person fighting a dog the same size as you then you might be fucked though.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
Ultrasonic whistle maybe?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 329d
I carry a stungun myself. I've only ever had to use it once and just the test zap was enough to intimidate the jerk who got in my face.
arin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Some people are not humane.