The decision issued October 7 by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey I. Cummings extends court oversight of the agency until February 2, 2026, and warns that officers who disregard the order could face contempt or criminal referral.
ICE agents can be arrested over unlawful actions, Chicago federal judge rules
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-can-be-arrested-over-unlawful-actions-chicago-judge-10921107
84 Comments
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 170 pts · 302d
Uhhh... those are called crimes.
I'm sorry, were ICE agents just entirely above the law before this ruling???
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 302d
Still are.
Sure, the ruling says they CAN be arrested for doing illegal things. But are they going to be? Cop sees ICE beating down a brown person. Is the cop going to run over and arrest them?
Or will they assist ICE?
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 302d
Depends on the city, and their leadership. Some cities have already directed their police specifically not to assist ICE. Not a huge jump from there to "treat them like a regular civilian".
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 17 pts · 302d
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 302d
Yep, thats a gang based on hate who obscure their members. Seems like something the national guard should be called in for.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 2 pts · 302d
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 302d
Probably not.
Most cops, like most humans, don't particularly want to die.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 2 pts · 302d
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 302d
They said, comfortably at their keyboard in the A/C, via a device ostensibly constructed due to authoritarian regimes forcing brutal conditions on their workers.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 1 pts · 302d
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
Many cities were doing this from the beginning. Whenever you read the term “sanctuary cities” it was really just a promise not to help.
Local police are not allowed to assist federal agencies enforce their policies unless it is a crime locally. You can even argue this prevents turf wars and conflicts of authority. States rights y’all
Local prisons are not allowed to detain people that have not been legally convicted of something that is a crime locally. You can argue this protects state resources being exploited by unfunded federal mandates. States rights y’all
But no, it’s a YUGE jump to actively interfere, even if it is to enforce laws against federal agents.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 302d
Police, by default, are thanks to Qualified Immunity. It takes a judge and a shit ton of evidence to waive that inherent protection. Even for situations where the officers were violating constitutional and statutory rights, and even someone with a severe mental handicap would know clearly that those actions were illegal.
snooggums@piefed.world · 17 pts · 302d
Qualified Immunity is such bullshit.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 302d
No, technically they’re not. Cops could always be arrested for unlawful actions. And “qualified immunity” includes the word “qualified”.
This is Just like the the literal/figurative debacle: for some reason people are good with redefining a word as it’s opposite. literal now means figurative. “Qualified” now means “complete”
This is a start because it declares federal agents are the same, but as long as qualified immunity means complete immunity it’s only limited help in restoring law
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 302d
Sort of. In most places, they will be the same, but in legal terms for law enforcement, "unlawful" really means that it isn't permitted by the law. The action might not be criminal, as in there is a law forbidding it. Again, in most places that means the actions are illegal, because of laws that criminalize the violation of a person's civil rights, but that's not always the case.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Supreme Court said Donald could not be arrested for committing crimes as president. I think we’re just a step away from them giving immunity to Donald’s personal police.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 302d
Crimes are one type of unlawful act.
Civil torts are the other.
Historically, Civil Rights Act lawsuits were some of the more potent tools against corrupt police. Obviously that's going to be different under Trump.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 302d
There's a difference between an action that is part of the penal code that includes specific punishments, and actions that a government agency/worker does not have authority to perform. Some of these overlap, but not all
CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 302d
Yeah they were, and its not a big Surprise since they were made to be over the law
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 302d
https://statedemocracy.law.wisc.edu/featured/2025/explainer-can-states-prosecute-federal-officials/
Only in practice. Federal officers have always been able to be arrested and tried for state crimes if they are unreasonably outside the scope of their official duties.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 65 pts · 302d
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 302d
Because police officers have qualified immunity.
This ruling only means something if SCOTUS upholds the arrest and conviction. It's an improvement, don't get me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
FatCrab@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 302d
This ruling is important because it finally brings to the floor that it is not at a valid presumption that local cops cannot enforce the law on federal agents. In the last year, the narrative that "herpaderp supremacy clause means states and cities can't do anything to enforce law on someone claiming to be a fed" has so normalized a totally unproven and unsupported extension of the supremacy clause that it's become hard to even bring this up in municipal conversations.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Qualified immunity does not and never has protected anyone in law enforcement from arrest or prosecution for committing a crime. It protects law enforcement personnel from being sued over damages they cause during the course of their duties, provided that the execution of said duties did not violate anyone's constitutional rights.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 2 pts · 302d
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 302d
Reminder: Federal judges can deputize as many citizens as they need to enforce a ruling and there are about 80k well trained, freshly fired park rangers that may want to assist with that.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 302d
Hell deputize every citizen (including membets of local PDs) to police ice- and effectively youve taken away their sovereign and qualified immunities.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 302d
And started a universal basic income!
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 302d
I’m sure the racist pigs will get right on arresting the racist pigs
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 302d
Turf wars are a thing with law enforcement agencies.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 302d
Not even just agencies. I used to live in a small town whose PD was in a feud with the PD of the next town over. It was hilarious (in a sad way) how they would keep busting each other for DUI in each other's towns.
dmention7@midwest.social · 4 pts · 302d
Honestly, government agencies holding each other accountable by jealously guarding their own powers and independence to operate is how a government of checks and balances SHOULD operate.
It's when those proverbial small town cops start teaming up and refusing to hold each other accountable that the public needs to start worrying. For the US, that point is about 25-30 years ago though.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
After getting pepper sprayed by the ice gestapo they just might lol
Madison420@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
Different enforcement agency, Marshalls really really like breaking down cops doors and weirdly enough most agencies like the good pr that brings.
Bangs42@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 302d
This needed a fucking ruling?!
oatscoop@midwest.social · 12 pts · 302d
It does, unfortunately.
"If any of you local or state law enforcement decide to grow a spine: the state courts have your back."
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 302d
Cool. Let's start seeing some arrests of these motherfuckers.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 25 pts · 302d
If the cops perform the job as is typical, they'll just yell "he's got a gun" and shoot them.
BingBong@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 302d
You know, if it's ICE on the receiving end instead of a random black guy I'm pretty happy with that improvement.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 302d
Court rules laws exists.
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
Trump administration expected to appeal the decision.
havocpants@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
... and in the meantime, fascist shitbags get to continue being fascist shitbags while the appeals court eventually rules that they're allowed to be fascist shitbags. Rule of law means nothing in the US any more.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
they said "can" not "will"
Objection@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 302d
Court rules laws could hypothetically exist.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 35 pts · 302d
Lololol
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
they won't do anything against ICE, because that will imply that they have to also go after cops when they break the law. and that's a no no for
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
It’s a badge of capitol safety.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 302d
We need militias to conduct citizen's arrests on these anti-constitution traitors.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 302d
We need militias to arrest the anti-constitition traitors who are sending them.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
I think there was like a whole amendment or something about that. Whatever, uh I guess back to Netflix.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 302d
Start collecting evidence
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 302d
Arrest them on sight because they're imminently dangerous, organize the widely available evidence and bring charges after they've been secured in a cell
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 302d
This should have never been a debate.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
sadly it must, all us police are legally above the law already.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 302d
Arrest ICE. They regularly use false or no plates on their vehicles - it would be a slam-dunk case, since the police can just read the plates to see if they are real. Once arrested, the masks go off and the criminal histories will be open for all to see. In this fashion, Blue States can delegitimize federal traffickers, and further prosecute the Trump Regime in the courts of public opinion and state law.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
Citizen arrests are going to get messy.
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
kandoh@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 302d
The day a non-right-wing judge or politician orders the arrest of a right-wing federal agent or paramilitary is the day everyone learns the left has no law enforcement power.
There is a good reason the Canadian Liberals used financial instruments when dealing with the convoy protests and didn't just order the RCMP or police to stert arresting people.
Soup@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
Bruh the police literally did show up in the end and it was a whole fuckin’ thing. It was livestreamed even, you can find video of it. Now, there was a problem with absolute fucking moron leading the Ottawa Police at the time but he was removed shortly afterward.
I’m not saying we gotta start trusting police, but they’ll take most any excuse to go handcuff someone and exert power. They’re kinky like that.
ProIsh@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 302d
Now do cops
Sunflier@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 302d
Cops are already held liable for crimes.
neatchee@piefed.social · 20 pts · 302d
You realize this is the exception in the US, not the rule, right?
Sunflier@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 302d
Well, if a cop didn't have qualified immunity, then the assault and kidnapping required to effectuate an arrest would make arrests impossible. I mean, an arrest is an assault. Cops physically restran the person with handcuffs. It is a kidnapping because cops are taking taking the arrestee against their will.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
The issue isn't qualified immunity in general, it's the courts unwillingness to actually enforce its disqualification when there is clear evidence, even evidence cited in other trials in some cases.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 9 pts · 302d
shane@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 302d
No need to apologize, comrade. We're here to learn from each other.
neatchee@piefed.social · 1 pts · 302d
The problem isn't the concept of qualified immunity, it's the implementation and application.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 302d
Well I'd certainly hope so.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 302d
Could, but very unlikely they actually will.
Not many cops are going to go around arresting ICE agents for such things I don't imagine.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 302d
This is likely part of why they prioritize hiding their faces and other identifying information. Watch them struggling to arrest someone and they will let go of someone just to pull their masks back up. They are breaking a lot of laws, but if a court can't identify them, they can't be charged. Secret police above the law are a key part of a dictatorship.
I doubt any police are going to risk arresting them in the field anyway. Even if they could make the arrest without it dangerously escalating, Pam Bondi would gleefully call it treason or insurrection, and bring in an army.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 302d
They can't breathe with those masks. They would be so happy if we removed them for them.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 302d
You would probably get beaten or tortured, and then charged with assaulting a federal officer. That's one to 20 years in federal prison.
Also threats against law enforcement, such as making terroristic threats or harassment, especially if it endangers the agent or their family. Potentialy harassment, conspiracy if someone identifies the officer, and obstruction of justice.
Basically dictatorship consequences.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
You Americans always default to face down ass up whenever there is the slightest danger.
You can only arrest people that want to be arrested.
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 302d
Cops are explicitly motivated to keep other cops out of jail simply because it could happen to them too.
xc2215x@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
ICE agents deserve it.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 302d
Whatever..no one was sent to jail for Kent State murders.
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 302d
bluemellophone@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Or, you know, we could think ICE and murder are both bad
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 302d
davidagain@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 302d
Trump is gonna be pissed if he ever understands this.
mhague@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
What does it mean for cops to arrest paramilitary?
It sounds like it will be many contests: who can shout louder and bring more guns to bear? Who gets confused first, who gets shot first?
It's a bunch of barely trained cops who can hardly handle policing armed citizens and now they're gonna handle ICE? They'll need to be careful and deliberate.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 302d
It's not like the goobers ice is deploying are well trained.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 302d
No, and that's so much worse, because ICE is armed and feels like they have the mandate for violence backed by the president.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
Anybody in a mask that is unidentifiable as law enforcement comes at i will defend myself.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 3 pts · 302d
OMG.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 302d
Now playing OMG by Usher
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · -9 pts · 302d
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 302d
The. What?
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · -8 pts · 302d
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 7 pts · 302d
You got me, I'm a Russian-Chinese-Iranian-North Korean propaganda troll trying to destroy the currently thriving US democracy.
PS: I'm not sure which boot exactly you're licking here, but don't forget to give it a lick on your way out before it gets lonely.
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · -6 pts · 302d
Triumph@fedia.io · 4 pts · 302d
I'm married.
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 302d
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 302d
What? No one is talking to you. What’s your point?
Triumph@fedia.io · 2 pts · 302d
When you decided to speak for “every single person”, it’s fair game.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
We've investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong!
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 302d
BannedVoice@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 301d