Who would need to press the power button to actually turn off or restart the device, right?
The setting to change this is also pretty much buried under Settings -> Special Features -> Gestures.
(Yes, I have no idea why the Assistant is in German when the phone is set to English either š« )
106 Comments
pimento64@sopuli.xyz · 135 pts · 303d
I hope everyone who works for google gets turned into tadpoles by a witch
hanrahan@piefed.social · 56 pts · 303d
Or preferably by us pressing the power button
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 303d
I hope much worse things happen to them.
And Sundar Prichai has to watch as it gets progressively worse, with him being the worst of all.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 303d
It was annoying having to change that setting so I could shut down the phone and install GrapheneOS.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 82 pts · 303d
Maybe Google is learning from Samsung how they bind Bixby to the power button.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 78 pts · 303d
Just one big incestuous sewer orgy of anti-consumer practices!
foggy@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 303d
I heard Google sent out emails to outlook customers suggesting they switch to Gmail when azure went down last week. A tongue in cheek response to edge asking folks to leave chrome.
This timeline blows.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · -30 pts · 303d
How is this anti consumer? Just because you don't like a thing doesn't make it anti consumer.
Edited to add, everyone hated that.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 303d
You don't think replacing the single most universal function of an electronic device with their ad delivering spyware is anti-consumer? Fuck bud, what would you consider anti-consumer?
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 303d
For quite some time now, Apple and Samsung have had the shutdown menu behind a multi-button press (Lock + Vol +/-). In Appleās case, itās always required more than just the lock button.
If anything, this is Google shifting to the ānormā, having multiple button presses be the default is ideal in preventing accidentally invoking the menu and shutting down the device.
Far as āanti consumerā is concerned:
Relative to most consumers, this perspective has you in the minority. Your average consumer is going to engage with this feature, this change makes the feature as accessible as possible so that you can do something like send a text with a single hand / button press.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 303d
I have a first gen iPod Touch somewhere in a box here. It was press once to lock and turn off screen. Hold to get power menu.
Fucking hell, Samsung? I'm typing this on a Galaxy A52 5g. Same thing. Press power to turn off the screen and lock, press and hold for power menu. They did have press and hold for bixby about a year after I bought it, which I disabled, but it wasn't out of box default.
I've never encountered this multi-button power shit you're talking about outside of old click wheel iPods, or as the force shut down option (equivalent of ripping out the cord on a desktop PC, definitively not the normal/intended power off procedure).
Don't know what you've been using, but this has not been some standard thing forever.
frunch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 303d
Find me a consumer that likes it and perhaps I'll reconsider
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 303d
There are people commenting on this very thread that they use the button for things other than power, and I know a few people in my personal life which is a pretty small sample size that use the assistants on that button.
frunch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 303d
Does that justify changing its function without announcing it first? Because i had to Google how to turn off my god damn phone when it first happened to me, lol
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 303d
Was it never mentioned in update notes?
frunch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 303d
Let me go back and check the documentation.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 303d
It's not about like or dislike. I'd have almost no complaints if they added a button or a unique gesture to open it, like they already had with holding the home button (looks like they may have removed that shortcut functionality). Or how some phones made the lock/power button touch sensitive so a touch (not press) or a swipe over it opened the assistant.
But silently changing the function of a standard piece of UI/controls that have been standard for over a decade, and common on even slide phones since the fucking pre-smart phone era?
I'm shocked that anyone actually needs this explained to them.
It would rightfully be a news story if Honda's newest car hid the window controls behind a settings menu, and what normally were window controls (still visually the exact same and located in the standard spot on the door) raised and lowered your seat instead.
That's all without getting into the mess that is a company trying to artificially pump user numbers of one of their products, or my personal dislike of these "assistants".
Internal emails from Google have become public through court cases which reveal that the rumor they were making search worse intentionally is true, and it was in order to inflate their ad impression numbers. There is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt on this, and active explicit reasons to do the opposite.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 303d
Was it a silent change? No mention in update notes or any marketing material? I truthfully don't know, as I don't have a phone affected by this.
Also, not meaning to come off as defending Google. I'm not. I know they don't need me to defend them.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 302d
I don't think "update notes or any marketing material" qualifies for making this kind of change non-silent - if the update is pushed through the same channel as regular security updates, and doesn't explicitly notify the user the behavior of the button has changed, that's pretty silent.
Often for those kinds of updates software will show a special introduction screen, tutorial, or outright a prompt asking you to choose between the new and old behavior - but that's software from people that care about the user having a good experience, and making such changes is a big deal for them.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 303d
Could you explain your logic?
frunch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 303d
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dingus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 303d
Well luckily you can change this on Samsung phones. I'm assuming phones with the default bound to Google Assistant will be similar. Annoying and stupid, for sure, but at least you're not locked in. I'm sure a lot of the general population won't have the basic know-how to change it though, unfortunately.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 303d
yeah
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 303d
Or Apple. Itās the same way with Siri.
djdarren@piefed.social · 2 pts · 302d
It's mad that I have to search for how to turn my iPad off every bloody time.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 303d
Another in a long line of messing with user interface things on updates, without any prior warning to the user. And if you even get a changelog at all on the update prompt it's always just vague bullshit like, "Bug fixes and usability improvements," without explaining what those "improvements" are supposed to be.
In unrelated news, the last major update on my Moto G changed the incoming call screen from swipe up to answer, swipe down to reject to swipe left to answer, swipe right to reject. What is this, fucking Tinder now? And don't come at me about the "gesture" setting in the dialer app options, either. Yes, I am aware of it. The only options listed there are now "horizontal swipe" and "single tap to answer." Why any rational individual would want to inflict the hell that is the latter option on themselves is unknown to me.
This kind of horseshit is why boomers and old people are terrified of updates and drive us IT nerds up the wall by perpetually ignoring and dismissing them. Because when you change the user interface choices people are used to behind their backs and without warning, as far as they're concerned you just broke their device.
Cut it out.
Yaky@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 303d
The best explanation I saw several years ago: Large tech companies drive change through competing individual teams and projects. So some manager pitched a half-assed idea, somehow convinced upper management to go with it, got developers to heroically implement it, and might have gotten some bonus for doing so. It doesn't matter if there was no value as long as some decision maker thinks there is (or does not care, or numbers were fudged anyway).
It is literally change for the sake of change.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 303d
Android is getting really terrible in general, whoever they have designing the UI is not good at their jobs. The thing I hate the most is now you have to open the side menu to open your contacts in the contacts app. It's so annoying. Add several seconds to every instance of making a call.
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 303d
That dialer change was evil. I have switched to Fossify Phone now and use that as a dialer. The Fossify apps are amazing, they also have a gallery and messages app, so Google's proprietary BS isn't neccessary.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 302d
Samsung just improved my user experience by removing "silent" from the available options when pressing the volume down button for notifications/ringer ā now I need to open a menu to press a touchscreen button a couple times, instead of being able to quickly set my phone to silent through tactile feel without looking.
thank you so much for improving my user experience for me, Samsung, this is really what I've been missing for the past decade
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 303d
i really liked that swipe up to answer too
shalafi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 303d
Last update changed the phone buttons around for no reason I can discern. Not sure that's ever happened because I was shocked, never had to relearn the buttons.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 303d
Came default on pixel for me. Also can't remove or move the Google search bar.
higgsboson@piefed.social · 35 pts · 303d
aahh, but GrapheneOS
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 303d
That's been around for a while sadly, you need an alternative launcher. I'm grandfathered into Nova but most people are moving towards Lawnchair, I think.
Flamekebab@piefed.social · 8 pts · 303d
I use Lawnchair for that.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 303d
There's a PC program called Android Debloat, gives you a list of apps on your Android with comprehensive information about what they do, and you can blitz the shit off your phone. Tip 1: Always install a keyboard before removing Gboard. Tip 2: Removing the Google app that forces the search widget also removes Gemini usability, the news sidebar, and others. I know - what a loss
waka@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 303d
Give ADBAppControl a try. It's like a GUI for adb debloating and then a bit.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 303d
I go to F-Droid to check this out and before I even search I have another useful tool -
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 303d
you can change it
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 43 pts · 303d
My post literally says so :D It's still a dickhead move to put the assistant in there as the default when setting up the device and hiding the option under "Gestures".
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 303d
Itās all fuckin stupid shit but I love that itās in German. Thatās the icing on the cake.
Maestro@fedia.io · 22 pts · 303d
Not just new installations. It also happened on my phone when Android was updated. Thanks OP for also posting where to fix this!
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 302d
I noticed that and also noticed how they swapped out the assistant for for Gemini AI bullshit that doesn't work right so you can't tell it to turn on a light or generally to do anything and have it actually do it correctly.
Every time my phone gets an update I have to go and switch that shit back. I honestly believe they're trying to get me to buy a Linux phone.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 303d
Going full in on the anticompetitive bullshit now? But why? Does Google have a deal with the orange Nazi against EU or what?
ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net · 17 pts · 303d
I've changed it to launch Firefox and double press to turn on/off flashlight. I have a Samsung phone
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 303d
How do you turn off your phone then?
dingus@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 303d
On Samsung phones, you can turn off your phone via the notification bar drop down.
That being said, I still prefer to have my power button bound to...well...power options lol.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 303d
Yeah I remember rebinding my grandparents butrons on samaung phones back to power. Fucking updates changed it to the stupid assistant and they had no idea how to turn off their phone.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 303d
I don't use the features you listed that much, so I switched it back to powering off my phone. On my Samsung device, there was a link titled how do I turn off my phone. One of the options suggested was saying, "Bixby, turn off my phone." Nope.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 303d
At the top of the quick settings panel there is a power button.
PMmeTrebuchets@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 303d
On my S25U you just hold down the down volume button and the power button at the same time. That's how it came for me stick our of the box, have not touched it. I did set my power button to be one long press for my wallet app instead of Gemini tho
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 303d
Does that actually bring up a menu, or just outright shut it down?
The two button shortcut has historically been for forcing an immediate shutdown in the event of like, a full system freeze. It's the same as ripping the power cord from a running desktop PC, and isn't the intended graceful shutdown that these devices are supposed to get.
Unless they've changed things, that's been the standard since the first smart phones and PDAs.
PMmeTrebuchets@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 303d
For me it brings up this menu
kn33@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 303d
I don't know what everyone's on about. I'm pretty sure this is explained in the first launch tutorial. You press power and volume up at the same time.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 303d
I don't remember the first launch tutorial because 2 reasons.
murmelade@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 303d
If only they could break the bastard Bixby button instead.
JargonWagon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 303d
I loved how at first, I was able to rebind that stupid button to anything I wanted. Then that stopped and it became only Bixby. Horrible decision - Having a button that can launch any app you want is a beautiful thing that more phones need to get behind.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 303d
Current gen of samsung phones has removed it entirely, fwiw.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 303d
Which is a loss. I liked the extra button, just not for an assistant.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 303d
Technically it opens your default assistant. Mine is set to Dicio, so it opens that. Also, it wasn't default for me, but just an option I found while exploring settings.
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 303d
It seems like they haven't changed the setting retroactively for existing users, but I just reset my Nothing Phone 1 to factory settings and then it got set by default.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 303d
I just got a OneUI update to V7 on my Samsung and it remapped the power button.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 303d
Because Google just has no idea how to deal with multilingual people. Google Assistant's ability to understand and respond to prompts that are in either of my languages is completely unpredictable, even for the language the UI is displaying in. Another issue is that you apparently just cannot in any way control what language call screen will use to talk to a caller. Such a good feature rendered entirely useless for me because of that.
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 302d
Not just new ones. Last month my mom asked for help because she could no longer turn off her phone. I checked the settings and the power button had been assigned to the assistant.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 303d
Same. On my stock Pixel it defaulted to hold the power button for assist. Which I immediately disabled and never looked back.
This was coupled with the power menu being added as a button to the notification shade.
I imagine it was in response to Apple when they switched to having the Siri button.
On the Nothing Phones is it just a press?
Geodad@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 303d
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 302d
I want to. Literally the only thing stopping me is !147
Geodad@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 302d
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 9 pts · 303d
Since when is pressing a button a gesture.
FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz · 7 pts · 303d
Oh, you can change that? I thought this was just how it is now.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 303d
How do you people lock your phone if not by pushing the power button? You just put it in your pocket like that?
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 303d
it's press and hold. Just pressing locks it.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 303d
That wasn't made clear by the OP at all.
Just tested to make sure and it still shows emergency, restart and power off so I'm good for now š
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 302d
I just found out thanks to your comment that mine changed to this Gemini bullshit on a long press with the UI 8 update I guess..
rakeshmondal@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 303d
Double tap empty space on the home screen
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 303d
That's just extra steps, cause you need to go to the home screen first. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
843563115848@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 303d
Screen button, turned on in settings, under accessibility. Two taps, screen is off.
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 302d
It just asked me what it should do when I press the power button. Pretty painless, š¤·. End of the day it's just another win for GrapheneOS though.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 6 pts · 302d
Google and languages is its own clusterfuck anyway. To this day, I don't think it properly supports using multiple languages.
First, English YouTube titles were (often badly) auto-translated to German and I found no other option to disable it but to set my entire profile's first language to English. Then it began translating German stuff into English instead.
Is it so hart to implement an option to say "I speak both English and German perfectly well, please stop trying to accommodate some primary language"?
Bonus: Technical terms being translated one way or the other, usually without awareness of the technical, semantic context that would require a specific translation (or none at all).
Anyway, that's tangential.
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 302d
I agree, the forced auto-translation is really annoying. There's a browser extension called "YouTube No Translation" that fetches the original titles and descriptions from the YouTube API and replaces them.
It's ridiculous, I already need three extensions to make YouTube useable again. YouTube Row Fixer, YouTube No Translation and YouTube Enhancer. And it's still garbage in some places.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 3 pts · 302d
Plus SponsorBlock, but that's not a Google issue. I just can't stand hearing people say "without further ado" before "but first". Also, skipping the extra bit at the end of music videos where you get treated to five-second-bits of other songs you didn't ask for.
I currently don't have the patience and spare energy to degoogle, but I admire anyone who does.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 303d
Next step of their Always On (always spying) wet dream.
Waveform@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
I turn off my phone every night, so I changed that back as soon as I found out.
They also messed with the navigation bar... Before, instead of having three buttons, you could have it display three lines at the bottom that you used by swiping upward. They did away with that, so now your only options are 1) the three regular buttons that are too easy to accidentally press and take up too much screen real estate, or 2) one line that is harder to use combined with a back functionality enabled by swiping from the left ir right sides of the screen. It's not only slower to use than the three lines, but it also results in accidentally going back when trying to scroll horizontally.
They could have left an option to keep the three lines, but no, they love reminding us we don't really own the devices we pay for >:|
ConstantPain@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
If Samsung, install Good Lock and use the Navstar plugin to bring the functionality back.
That's what I did.
lemimmi@feddit.org · 2 pts · 302d
This is so cool. You showed me a whole new world
Waveform@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
Thank you, I will definitely check those out.
It also seems I can root my phone, but I'd rather not go that route until absolutely necessary (e.g. some future update that breaks side loading).
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 303d
Is that a nothing?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 303d
Yes, the Nothing Phone 1. I reset it, because I switched to a Unihertz Titan 2 now and only use it as a USB webcam. :)
Eddyzh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 303d
Yes took me a while to figure this out. Was months ago after an update.
malfisya@piefed.social · 4 pts · 303d
Just hit it today when setting up my brother's phone. It is so stupid to do it this way.
Aneb@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 303d
That was a feature two years ago I thought, long press for the "assistant". I switched to grapheneos as soon as I got a pixel so I don't follow Google's actual releases
Chaser@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 303d
To be honest I like this behavior. I haven't enabled the hot word, so this is a really convenient way to launch the assistant. (It doesn't has to be the google assistant btw)
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 303d
I'm more than okay with options. I'm even okay with changing the default on new phones. I'm not so okay with changing it on existing installations without giving the option to the user.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 303d
Be nice while driving since I refuse to look at a screen, let alone type on it.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 303d
Yup.
It's annoying.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 302d
Thanks.
On xiaomi, search for "gesture shortcut" in the settings menu to get to the right option menu.
unknown1234_5@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 302d
i turned it off and set it to a swipe from the bottom corners of the screen, which makes a lot more sense
wiccan2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 303d
As others have said Samsung has been like this for a while so they may be copying it from there.
If its the same as Samsung, holding power + volume down should bring up the power menu.
I actually like the button being mappable to something else, gives me more options, I do think they should have the default be the old behaviour though, maybe with a popup on the first activation to tell you that you can change it.
I have mine set to Bixby so I can quickly set timers and reminders without needing the always on voice detection, double press opens camera.
More options and customisation possibilities is always better, but using it to force another peoduct is scummy :(
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 303d
So the shortcut that's always been for screenshots is now for power, but only for powering it down. That makes total logical sense and isn't inane at all.
wiccan2@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 303d
Holding power + volume down brings up the power menu Pressing power + volume down takes a screenshot
Though other comments point out that there isn't any consistency between manufacturers
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 303d
Oh wow, they made it even more fuckin stupid by adding different functionality for long press vs short press.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 303d
Better than iOS which Konami coded or ctrl-alt-deleted its way to vol up, vol down, power
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 303d
On my NP1, it's Power and Volume Up. So much for consistent behaviour between different Android devices...
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
it's almost like they should have just gone with both volume buttons, that way it doesn't matter if one manufacturer uses volume up and volume down and the other manufacturer uses volume down and volume up
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 303d
What the shit? Pressing and holding power and a volume button used to be for force shutdown. It's been that way for over a decade! Fucking hell.
lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 169d
Hi! I discovered this today and got so angry I threw my phone at a door and put a hole in it :) I hate the future~ :3
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 302d
I own an nothing phone too, and I had the same thing. Same thing had my dads phone, Samsung device. Everyone is doing it, it's not just nothing.