A more accurate description would be an "imbalanced" meal. It contains ingredients that would give you needed nutrients, but at the wrong levels. Too much fat and carbs, vs "vegetables" which are also processed and full of added sugar and salt. It's not the worst thing you could eat, but it isn't great. To your point, that's why moderation is so important.
It doesn't really change that its main component is bread and cheese, with a very low content of vegetables. But sure, better than the extremely low bar you set for yourself.
Absolutely. Even if I make pizza from scratch with whole wheat flour and homemade sauce, the amount of vegetables I can reasonably put in/on it is so limited. If I want to mimic a typical pizza as it is served in Germany, I need about 2 mushrooms for the whole thing. Even with the sauce, there is just so much sauce I can put on the dough - and so many veggies I can put on it - before it just becomes a soaky pie. And this is nowhere near a ratio I can really approve of. Our usual dishes consist of 50-80% vegetables. With pizza, I feel like we are just eating 50-80% dough.
Just because whole wheat is good, tomato sauce is good, veggies are good, and a bit of cheese is good, doesn't mean the combo of it is anywhere near balanced and healthy. We usually balance it with a huge salad but honestly we just don't like filling up on bread/dough, so we rarely eat pizza.
If it's homemade (including the sauce) on thin crust of proper bread dough (again, homemade, without adding too much salt) and you're generous and careful with the toppings (avoiding salty and/or highly processed stuff), the only inherently imbalanced thing is the cheese (which is excessive for something with such a high proportion of saturated fats).
Even the carbs in the pizza base if you go for thin crust are actually less than, for example, in a sandwish.
Then again, homemade pizza done from scratch including the sauce and the bread dough takes more than an hour to make, so people overwhelmingly buy pizza already make (or at least ready to bake), and then it's loaded crap because you really can't trust industrial food.
Also even for homemade there is a tendency to add as toppings tasty stuff like pepperoni, which is industrially made for example for preservation it's loaded with either nitrites (which increases the risk of colon cancer) or salt (which increases the risk of cardio-vascular problems)
Yeah, so basically, a personal, pepperoni and mushroom flatbread pizza, and a salad, and like, a fistful of grapes or an apple.
That's a reasonably healthy meal, provided you can keep the grease from the meat and cheeses to a reasonable level.
You could also replace salad with just... peas, carrots, beans, whatever, maybe you go with a mango or orange or something for the fruit, who knows.
And of course, if you make/acquire the ingredients for making your personal pan pizza, you have a lot more options for tweaking their nutritional content.
The whole wonderfulness of pizza is that its basically a blank canvas, that tends to work well if you can balance flavor profiles.
Beyond that with tin crust, homemade pizza tomato sauce (which is delish, by the way) and properly chosen and generously added toppings (avoid processed meats, especially with too much salt, and make the toppings be more by weight than everything else), it can be pretty healthy.
My homemade pizzas are always a mountain of toppings. I usually go with bell peppers, mushrooms, fresh onions cut in rings, and (un)canned tuna. Sometimes artichoke if I come by it, and/or olives if I have em around. Finish with mozzarella.. now I'm hungry :(
Is it? I doubt there are many fibers in there. Unless you count the tomato sauce it doesn't really contain a lot of vegetables either. I'd be really surprised if tomato sauce on the average pizza is healthy, it's probably so over processed that all the fibers and vitamins etc are gone and it's just a big carb nuke. And a pizza contains too much fat as well. A good pizza might be decent compared to most fast food, but I can't imagine the average fastfood or supermarket pizza being a healthy meal.
You can easily buy wholemeal flour, it just costs a lot more than plain white flour. At least it does here. I recently ground up some rolled oats in a spice grinder to make crackers, along with a bit of sourdough starter. Worked out ok (and cheaper than wheat flour) but the dough I got from oats was pretty heavy and thick.
Pizza typically contains almost every food group. Grain, vegetable, meat, dairy, salt, cholesterol, and microplastics. It does not usually contain candy however.
This is why I roll my eyes at people who talk about how healthy honey is. Like sure it's better for you than sugar for very minute reasons, but at the end of the day, it's still sugar. But you know... honey is "natural". Marketing is a helluva drug.
While many sources of fructose naturally and no reason to think they behave differently than HFCS, high fructose corn syrup to my knowledge uses enzymes to convert glucose to fructose to raise the percentage. (And then re-add corn syrup to adjust the fructose/glucose to a desired ratio)
How much healthier a simple syrup (sugar split into a 50% glucose and 50% fructose) vs a 60/40 fructose/glucose HFCS is very debatable..
Really just hates it when you buy something without sugar/HFCS and find it had artificial sweeteners instead.. When I wanted no additional sweeteners. looks at canned fruit in cabinet
The fake sugar garbage has gotten out of hand. I had to start making my own granola because most of the granola had fake sugar in it. I'm glad I did tho. I can make it with whatever I want in it and no one can stop meeeeeee!
51 Comments
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 277d
BlueLineBae@midwest.social · 51 pts · 277d
A more accurate description would be an "imbalanced" meal. It contains ingredients that would give you needed nutrients, but at the wrong levels. Too much fat and carbs, vs "vegetables" which are also processed and full of added sugar and salt. It's not the worst thing you could eat, but it isn't great. To your point, that's why moderation is so important.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 277d
BlueLineBae@midwest.social · 9 pts · 277d
That's fair. I don't even want to know what a Jack's pizza is made out of. Probably compacted crack.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 277d
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 1 pts · 276d
A thin crust veggie pizza is awesome but I'm not sacrificing the amount of cheese so I just eat less pizza :(
Rothe@piefed.social · 2 pts · 277d
It doesn't really change that its main component is bread and cheese, with a very low content of vegetables. But sure, better than the extremely low bar you set for yourself.
volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 277d
Absolutely. Even if I make pizza from scratch with whole wheat flour and homemade sauce, the amount of vegetables I can reasonably put in/on it is so limited. If I want to mimic a typical pizza as it is served in Germany, I need about 2 mushrooms for the whole thing. Even with the sauce, there is just so much sauce I can put on the dough - and so many veggies I can put on it - before it just becomes a soaky pie. And this is nowhere near a ratio I can really approve of. Our usual dishes consist of 50-80% vegetables. With pizza, I feel like we are just eating 50-80% dough.
Just because whole wheat is good, tomato sauce is good, veggies are good, and a bit of cheese is good, doesn't mean the combo of it is anywhere near balanced and healthy. We usually balance it with a huge salad but honestly we just don't like filling up on bread/dough, so we rarely eat pizza.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 277d
If it's homemade (including the sauce) on thin crust of proper bread dough (again, homemade, without adding too much salt) and you're generous and careful with the toppings (avoiding salty and/or highly processed stuff), the only inherently imbalanced thing is the cheese (which is excessive for something with such a high proportion of saturated fats).
Even the carbs in the pizza base if you go for thin crust are actually less than, for example, in a sandwish.
Then again, homemade pizza done from scratch including the sauce and the bread dough takes more than an hour to make, so people overwhelmingly buy pizza already make (or at least ready to bake), and then it's loaded crap because you really can't trust industrial food.
Also even for homemade there is a tendency to add as toppings tasty stuff like pepperoni, which is industrially made for example for preservation it's loaded with either nitrites (which increases the risk of colon cancer) or salt (which increases the risk of cardio-vascular problems)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 277d
Yeah, so basically, a personal, pepperoni and mushroom flatbread pizza, and a salad, and like, a fistful of grapes or an apple.
That's a reasonably healthy meal, provided you can keep the grease from the meat and cheeses to a reasonable level.
You could also replace salad with just... peas, carrots, beans, whatever, maybe you go with a mango or orange or something for the fruit, who knows.
And of course, if you make/acquire the ingredients for making your personal pan pizza, you have a lot more options for tweaking their nutritional content.
The whole wonderfulness of pizza is that its basically a blank canvas, that tends to work well if you can balance flavor profiles.
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
Toss on some mushrooms, spinach leaf, and a bit of ground beef or sausage and you're good to go.
arality@programming.dev · 23 pts · 277d
Ahh moderation, my arch nemesis.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 277d
Everybody needs a goal to aim for, so I make sure to keep well away from reaching it so as not to lose it as a goal.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 277d
It's just bread, it technically has other stuff but in insignificant amounts, it is literally cheese bread.
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 277d
Moderation is the issue with pizza, at least for me.
I've been making pizza and pasta from scratch. It's basically the exact same ingredients:
But when I'm making pizza I know that I can almost double the amount of flour because we are eating way more pizza than pasta.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 277d
Lots of saturated fat on the cheese.
Beyond that with tin crust, homemade pizza tomato sauce (which is delish, by the way) and properly chosen and generously added toppings (avoid processed meats, especially with too much salt, and make the toppings be more by weight than everything else), it can be pretty healthy.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 276d
My homemade pizzas are always a mountain of toppings. I usually go with bell peppers, mushrooms, fresh onions cut in rings, and (un)canned tuna. Sometimes artichoke if I come by it, and/or olives if I have em around. Finish with mozzarella.. now I'm hungry :(
Rothe@piefed.social · 6 pts · 277d
It really isn't though. Low on fibres and high on carbs.
foo@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 277d
Traditional pizza isn't all that high in carbs. The US style pizza pies are.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 277d
mama mia
gerryflap@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 277d
Is it? I doubt there are many fibers in there. Unless you count the tomato sauce it doesn't really contain a lot of vegetables either. I'd be really surprised if tomato sauce on the average pizza is healthy, it's probably so over processed that all the fibers and vitamins etc are gone and it's just a big carb nuke. And a pizza contains too much fat as well. A good pizza might be decent compared to most fast food, but I can't imagine the average fastfood or supermarket pizza being a healthy meal.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 277d
I don’t believe that’s organic or whole wheat.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 277d
By 'aged' they mean left sitting on the counter overnight.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 277d
Cheese is aged by default, and as long as there's some real milk in it, its somewhat organic.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 277d
Organic in the chemical sense of carbon based...
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 277d
Well, fresh mozzarella not so aged. At all really.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 277d
I use mature cheddar on mine
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 277d
If it's more than a week old, it's aged.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
That’s the best age for pizza!
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 277d
Also, cheese is not aged milk.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 277d
You can easily buy wholemeal flour, it just costs a lot more than plain white flour. At least it does here. I recently ground up some rolled oats in a spice grinder to make crackers, along with a bit of sourdough starter. Worked out ok (and cheaper than wheat flour) but the dough I got from oats was pretty heavy and thick.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 277d
It contains at least one whole wheat.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 277d
It might, but far more likely it's white flour
monogram@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 277d
ChokingHazard@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
It’s not inorganic… seems pretty organic to me.
Etterra@discuss.online · 29 pts · 277d
Pizza typically contains almost every food group. Grain, vegetable, meat, dairy, salt, cholesterol, and microplastics. It does not usually contain candy however.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 277d
There's a market to look into then.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 276d
They sell chocolate pizza here
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 234d
I mean I did say "usually."
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 276d
Says you.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=princess+diaries+pizza&iar=images
BlueLineBae@midwest.social · 24 pts · 277d
This is why I roll my eyes at people who talk about how healthy honey is. Like sure it's better for you than sugar for very minute reasons, but at the end of the day, it's still sugar. But you know... honey is "natural". Marketing is a helluva drug.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 277d
Sugar is also natural. 🤷♂️
Technically, even high-fructose corn syrup is natural. It's just the natural sugar in corn, extracted and concentrated.
ezterry@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 277d
While many sources of fructose naturally and no reason to think they behave differently than HFCS, high fructose corn syrup to my knowledge uses enzymes to convert glucose to fructose to raise the percentage. (And then re-add corn syrup to adjust the fructose/glucose to a desired ratio)
How much healthier a simple syrup (sugar split into a 50% glucose and 50% fructose) vs a 60/40 fructose/glucose HFCS is very debatable..
Really just hates it when you buy something without sugar/HFCS and find it had artificial sweeteners instead.. When I wanted no additional sweeteners. looks at canned fruit in cabinet
BlueLineBae@midwest.social · 3 pts · 277d
The fake sugar garbage has gotten out of hand. I had to start making my own granola because most of the granola had fake sugar in it. I'm glad I did tho. I can make it with whatever I want in it and no one can stop meeeeeee!
Cort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 277d
Technically, even morphine is natural. It's just the natural opioid in poppies, extracted and concentrated.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 277d
I ferment my honey and it certainly makes me feel good.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 276d
I wouldn't compare Honey with sugar, at least honey has some benefit compared to sugar.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095754825000195
It is just as bad as sugar, but you need less of it since it is sweeter.
69420@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 277d
That's nothing. You should try my pureed nut spread with grape relish reduction paired with brioche bun.
MTZ@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
I just had one about 20 minutes ago. 10/10
Allero@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 277d
I'd rather not taste your nut
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 276d
Your loss.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 277d
Did you make one for David Amram?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 277d
In the same spirit: "I'm a 2nd degree vegetarian because I only eat meat from herbivores"
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 277d
it makes sense though
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 277d
Kinda how first degree royalty is a Hapsberg, or a 3rd degree twice removed felony is politics?