It isn't the consensual sex, it is the context of Putin potentially having pics and Epstein being fully aware of it and the blackmail that goes along with that. Plus Trump is a fragile narcissist so keeping it in the news is funny.
Also how personal Trump's hate for Hilary definitely has jealous lover overtones now.
I don't think anyone but his homophobic followers thinks negatively about the BJ itself.
Intelligent people are worried about the blackmail context of the emails, but intelligent people never supported Trump, so this is just another reason to hate him and a new reason to be worried. Among Trump's core supporters, homophobia is a critical issue, it has always been a major topic for the Trump admin. Previously the Epstein files were just about pedophilia, and conservative states have always taken a softer stance on the topic with things like child marriage.
There may be more important things to the story, but where voters can be swayed, the big story is "Trump did something gay."
America has, since inception, been absolutely fine with violence, often celebrating it, and completely disgusted with sexuality. It's perhaps the single most backwards thing about North American culture, imo.
But what do you expect out of a society whose entire history is "we wanted to go somewhere else, so we came to this place and killed the natives that got in our way."
It's fascinating that a country where a place like Hooters is normal and strip clubs are a socially acceptable place to hang out in is so worked up over sex things
American pop culture is fine with sex as long as it's not two men:
✅ Woman kissing a woman
✅ Woman kissing a man
✅ Woman having sex with a woman
✅ Woman having sex with a man
✅ Woman having sex with herself
✅ Man kissing a woman (already covered)
❌ Man kissing a man
✅ Man having sex with a woman (already covered)
❌ Man having sex with a man
✅ Man having sex with himself
I think that's changed a bit. Hooters went bankrupt, and many local governments have heavy restrictions on strip clubs, such as no nipples can be shown, no physical contact, no license to serve liquor, etc.
And that just makes the whole deal weirder. No physical contact is reasonable of course. But have a person be practically naked, dancing sensually is fine, unless there's nipples. Can't have that, it's too much.
I think the laws are just meant as a soft-ban. There may be legal complications with outright banning strip clubs. The no physical contact takes away what I think make up stripper's largest income source, and no nipples and alcohol makes it a less attractive place to go. I had a few hours to waste in a city once, waiting on a flight, and walked into one of these strip clubs. There was only one stripper there, one bartender, and I was the only customer; so I'm guessing it really did hurt the market.
Thinking that Lemmy is representative of anything besides Lemmy is at least a little funny to me, I'm sorry. If it was a representation of the country, then Putin might have a good shot running for president.
I think it’s the fact that Trump acts and surrounds himself with homophobic people so the idea of him giving head to his enemy he’s openly complained about is hilarious to no end. That and the actual implications with Putin holding the photos over his head.
Like always in America, it seems, there is a racist undertone, as the name Bubba is also the African American man that sexually abuses people in prison.
The mail exchange between the Epstein brothers mentiones the film 'Get Hard' where a rich businessman prepares for prison by asking his afro American neighbor. The training includes hooking up with a gay person to train on oral sex, but the lead character choses not to go through with that.
Consent is important. Like, above all else. But also, if a woman wanted to suck my dick, like any time, for any reason, no matter the surroundings... I'm in. Wait, I just gave consent!
The issue is that Americans on the Left would be offended to learn that their political leader was a complete hypocrite, so they assume that Americans on the right would feel the same way. Meanwhile, the truth is that Americans on the Right only pretend to have moral standards, while in actuality, they will simply follow their leaders regardless of what they do.
Specifically they care about him being a hypocrite about having gay sex. Emphasis on the "having gay sex" part. Actually they don't care about him being a hypocrite.
Not an American, but here's how I see it: It's ammo.
To Trump supporters, deporting immigrants is seen as a good thing that he's doing. But they also usually have a staunch anti-LGBTQ stance. Trump blowing a dude, regardless of if this bubba is or isn't Bill Clinton, goes pretty hard against their stances. If there's ever plausible evidence, it might be what makes Trump supporters see him for what he is to the rest of the world: a bumbling, lying idiot.
Putin potentially having such evidence further escalates this into yet another indicator that Trump might be playing his nation into Russia's hands.
It's disgusting to contemplate, but between Dershowitz and Megyn Kelly's recent comments, I'm starting to think that MAGAs don't really think of anyone over the age of 14 as "children." 😡
This isn't even close to being true. 83% of black voters backed Harris in 2024, with 15% voting for Trump. That's notable because it's a significant decrease from Biden receiving 92% of the black vote, but whites are the only major racial group of which the majority voted for Trump in 2024.
Was the % points change since 2016 and/or 2020 higher among black folks compared to white folks in the 2025 US election or not?
I don't think this is racism, though I appreciate I don't get to make claims on what and what is not, and I don't do this to point fingers, but if we are to move forward we gotta start with solid facts, including about uncomfortable things like that. I'm happy to admit I am wrong if I am and apologize.
If my folk - LGBT people - voted for Trump more than straights, I would not go directly to finger-pointing and nastiness either, I would start asking some pretty tough questions to myself tho.
Black people voted for trump even harder.
He’s not wrong though?
Whether grossly misunderstanding, grossly misrepresenting or grossly misinterpreting the data, I don't know, but I think "wrong" is far more descriptive here than "not wrong".
Black people voted for trump the least of any ethnic group, by far, at 15%. Asian people 40%, Hispanic people 48% and White people 55%. "Even harder" is bullshit.
Someone famous, who is surrounded by homophobes and transphobes, was revealed, allegedly, to have engaged in a sex act with another man, with the further suggestion that the president of Russia has the photos and that might explain a few things
Yeah, libs have been very open about homophobia and ableism since Trump was elected and they had a crisis that warranted a suspension of the performance. Statistically, we know most men in the US are complacent with or perpetrators of sexual violence and a significant amount -- even the majority in some places -- fetishize youth and teen women. For Americans, it really is more reputation destroying to have done queer shit than to be a rapist pedophile (this includes "ephebophiles," sorry).
They're not going to get mad about racism and genocide, it isn't even going to be on their minds because they don't actually oppose the underlying values that facilitate those policies currently. They will make a show of anti-racism and constitution protection so long as it remains a rhetorical response exclusively.
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snooggums@piefed.world · 109 pts · 293d
It isn't the consensual sex, it is the context of Putin potentially having pics and Epstein being fully aware of it and the blackmail that goes along with that. Plus Trump is a fragile narcissist so keeping it in the news is funny.
Also how personal Trump's hate for Hilary definitely has jealous lover overtones now.
I don't think anyone but his homophobic followers thinks negatively about the BJ itself.
essell@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 293d
Polls suggest that this is a minority position. Just because it makes sense to you and me doesn't mean that's where most people are. 😟
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 293d
i'm pretty sure they don't do polls that quickly
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 292d
I wonder how quickly Trump did Bill's pole
PunnyName@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 293d
What polls are asking about the blowjob?
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 292d
Intelligent people are worried about the blackmail context of the emails, but intelligent people never supported Trump, so this is just another reason to hate him and a new reason to be worried. Among Trump's core supporters, homophobia is a critical issue, it has always been a major topic for the Trump admin. Previously the Epstein files were just about pedophilia, and conservative states have always taken a softer stance on the topic with things like child marriage.
There may be more important things to the story, but where voters can be swayed, the big story is "Trump did something gay."
bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 292d
Some context please?
other_cat@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 292d
Epstein's brother sent email about Trump 'blowing' someone named 'Bubba'
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/epstein-bubba-trump-blowing/
snooggums@piefed.world · -1 pts · 292d
Is the context of Putin and blackmail that I stated directly in the comment not enough?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 69 pts · 293d
It's always sex stuff that gets Americans worked up.
Glide@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 292d
America has, since inception, been absolutely fine with violence, often celebrating it, and completely disgusted with sexuality. It's perhaps the single most backwards thing about North American culture, imo.
But what do you expect out of a society whose entire history is "we wanted to go somewhere else, so we came to this place and killed the natives that got in our way."
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 292d
But a lot of other people did that and aren't hung up about sex.
guy@piefed.social · 25 pts · 293d
It's fascinating that a country where a place like Hooters is normal and strip clubs are a socially acceptable place to hang out in is so worked up over sex things
hayvan@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 292d
But only when it's consensual. It's okay when that gets violent and exploitative.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 292d
American pop culture is fine with sex as long as it's not two men:
✅ Woman kissing a woman
✅ Woman kissing a man
✅ Woman having sex with a woman
✅ Woman having sex with a man
✅ Woman having sex with herself
✅ Man kissing a woman (already covered)
❌ Man kissing a man
✅ Man having sex with a woman (already covered)
❌ Man having sex with a man
✅ Man having sex with himself
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 292d
Really touchy if it happens outside of a marriage though too.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 292d
If argue that American pop culture loves two girls kissing outside of marriage way more than inside marriage lol
sobchak@programming.dev · 2 pts · 292d
I think that's changed a bit. Hooters went bankrupt, and many local governments have heavy restrictions on strip clubs, such as no nipples can be shown, no physical contact, no license to serve liquor, etc.
guy@piefed.social · 3 pts · 292d
And that just makes the whole deal weirder. No physical contact is reasonable of course. But have a person be practically naked, dancing sensually is fine, unless there's nipples. Can't have that, it's too much.
The US is very weird.
sobchak@programming.dev · 2 pts · 292d
I think the laws are just meant as a soft-ban. There may be legal complications with outright banning strip clubs. The no physical contact takes away what I think make up stripper's largest income source, and no nipples and alcohol makes it a less attractive place to go. I had a few hours to waste in a city once, waiting on a flight, and walked into one of these strip clubs. There was only one stripper there, one bartender, and I was the only customer; so I'm guessing it really did hurt the market.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 292d
Polite and perverted.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 46 pts · 293d
Thinking that Lemmy is representative of anything besides Lemmy is at least a little funny to me, I'm sorry. If it was a representation of the country, then Putin might have a good shot running for president.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 293d
Woah woah woah, don't you go lumping me in with the goofballs over in .ml
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 293d
But those goofballs are the ones who created and maintain Lemmy.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 293d
And? Shitty people create and maintain a good portion of the world. They aren't wholly representative of the users of their product.
DaMummy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 293d
There's a joke about mod of r/jailbait in here somewhere
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 293d
meanwhile i was aiming for a tasteful poop joke
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 293d
So? Should we uphold the tradition? Keep it "pure?" Fuck that noise.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 293d
guy@piefed.social · 1 pts · 293d
Try piefed 😄
happydoors@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 293d
I think it’s the fact that Trump acts and surrounds himself with homophobic people so the idea of him giving head to his enemy he’s openly complained about is hilarious to no end. That and the actual implications with Putin holding the photos over his head.
trashboat@midwest.social · 11 pts · 293d
Exactly this
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
This also opens the door to trump having blown putin
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 293d
Horses can't consent
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 293d
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 293d
I mean, there's no way, but hooooooooly fuuuuuuck.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 37 pts · 293d
Hey now... Nothing ever said or implied it was consensual. For all we know Bubba didn't want Donald to suck his dick.
essell@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 293d
Fair! Imagine if bubba was out of it, and this is how he finds out it happened! 😲
Darkmuch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 293d
Have you seen Bubba’s smirk? It’s unreasonable to expect The Don control his urges when around such a powerful male.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 292d
Like always in America, it seems, there is a racist undertone, as the name Bubba is also the African American man that sexually abuses people in prison.
The mail exchange between the Epstein brothers mentiones the film 'Get Hard' where a rich businessman prepares for prison by asking his afro American neighbor. The training includes hooking up with a gay person to train on oral sex, but the lead character choses not to go through with that.
Empricorn@feddit.nl · -7 pts · 293d
Consent is important. Like, above all else. But also, if a woman wanted to suck my dick, like any time, for any reason, no matter the surroundings... I'm in. Wait, I just gave consent!
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 292d
anytime? Like what if you just found out about your loved one's passing?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 292d
It's going to be limp, but maybe she'll figure something out.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 292d
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 293d
The issue is that Americans on the Left would be offended to learn that their political leader was a complete hypocrite, so they assume that Americans on the right would feel the same way. Meanwhile, the truth is that Americans on the Right only pretend to have moral standards, while in actuality, they will simply follow their leaders regardless of what they do.
mumblerfish@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 293d
I don't think that is an exlusively american thing though.
marcos@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 293d
Hum... They seem to be reacting quite strongly to finding out their leader is a hypocrite.
They just care about him being a hypocrite on different things.
sundray@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 293d
You think they're freaking out now, imagine if it turned out it was Obama getting the BJ.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 293d
now i know why he was so mad at the white house correspondent's dinner. jilted again (first bill, then barry)
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 293d
Specifically they care about him being a hypocrite about having gay sex. Emphasis on the "having gay sex" part. Actually they don't care about him being a hypocrite.
FishFace@piefed.social · 19 pts · 293d
Which polls?
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 293d
Let's just take the W on this one, ok?
essell@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 293d
I dunno what y'all will win, it's certainly a good laugh;
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 293d
There is nothing more damaging to the narcissistic dictator's fragile ego than emasculation. Let us merely hope that the hits keep coming.
AlolanYoda@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 292d
Not an American, but here's how I see it: It's ammo.
To Trump supporters, deporting immigrants is seen as a good thing that he's doing. But they also usually have a staunch anti-LGBTQ stance. Trump blowing a dude, regardless of if this bubba is or isn't Bill Clinton, goes pretty hard against their stances. If there's ever plausible evidence, it might be what makes Trump supporters see him for what he is to the rest of the world: a bumbling, lying idiot.
Putin potentially having such evidence further escalates this into yet another indicator that Trump might be playing his nation into Russia's hands.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 292d
Yep, he needs the couch fucker treatment:
::: spoiler NSFW Spoiler
:::
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 293d
American whites, raping children is a o k. but consensual same sex between adults is wrong?
sundray@lemmus.org · 19 pts · 293d
It's disgusting to contemplate, but between Dershowitz and Megyn Kelly's recent comments, I'm starting to think that MAGAs don't really think of anyone over the age of 14 as "children." 😡
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 293d
Yep, they pivoted from "He isn't a pedophile" as a denial of him raping minors to "He isn't a pedophile" as a denial that raping minors is pedophilia.
Republicans were always the pro pedophilia party though. look at all the laws that allow adult men to marry and rape children. https://www.walkfree.org/news/2025/child-marriage-remains-legal-in-the-united-states-as-global-leaders-backtrack-on-gender-equality/
pemptago@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 292d
It's like they stumbled across Gianmarco Soresi's stand up bit and decided to use that as an argument, unironically.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 293d
TexasDrunk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 293d
Unless they're being sent into a war. Then at 18 they're men.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 293d
Black people voted for trump even harder. Glass house much?
TheRtRevKaiser@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 293d
This isn't even close to being true. 83% of black voters backed Harris in 2024, with 15% voting for Trump. That's notable because it's a significant decrease from Biden receiving 92% of the black vote, but whites are the only major racial group of which the majority voted for Trump in 2024.
Tja@programming.dev · 0 pts · 292d
"Even harder" is relative (to Biden, for instance), which your data just confirms.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 292d
Better to
aboutadmit you were wrong than to post this transparent nonsense.LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 291d
He's not wrong though?
Was the % points change since 2016 and/or 2020 higher among black folks compared to white folks in the 2025 US election or not?
I don't think this is racism, though I appreciate I don't get to make claims on what and what is not, and I don't do this to point fingers, but if we are to move forward we gotta start with solid facts, including about uncomfortable things like that. I'm happy to admit I am wrong if I am and apologize.
If my folk - LGBT people - voted for Trump more than straights, I would not go directly to finger-pointing and nastiness either, I would start asking some pretty tough questions to myself tho.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 291d
Whether grossly misunderstanding, grossly misrepresenting or grossly misinterpreting the data, I don't know, but I think "wrong" is far more descriptive here than "not wrong".
Black people voted for trump the least of any ethnic group, by far, at 15%. Asian people 40%, Hispanic people 48% and White people 55%. "Even harder" is bullshit.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 291d
That's not what I asked. I asked for if they had a higher % change than other demographics.
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 292d
Better to about? Typo? Stroke? Wrong? This doesn't make sense.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 292d
Admit! Better to admit you were wrong. Now I was wrong too! Noooooo!
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 292d
🤷
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 293d
The oldest girft, insinuate a group will gain privileges by hurting another, and they all end up fucked.
Divide and conquer.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 292d
Aye you're right, I shouldn't have taken the bait.
janitor@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 292d
Soo, umh I woke up today in Europe with al the memes about blow jobs and Trump.. But I've not seen any post about origin of the memes.
Can anyone point me to any sources?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 292d
Its one of 20k+ emails house Republicans released to try to drown out the 3 emails Democrats released related to Trump.
I think they thought they could flood the zone and forgot that Americans can't afford hobbies right now so we have oodles of free time and AI.
janitor@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 292d
Thank you!
Now I'm not so puzzled
stickly@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 293d
Nobody confirmed it was consensual or with a guy tbf. Could have been that horse
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 292d
What if it's the horse? Still probably not on the same level. What if it wasn't consensual? Now it gets trickier...
funkajunk@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 293d
It ain't zesty with your bestie
Bazell@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 292d
Is this another anti LGBT+ joke or what? Can someone explain?
essell@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 292d
Someone famous, who is surrounded by homophobes and transphobes, was revealed, allegedly, to have engaged in a sex act with another man, with the further suggestion that the president of Russia has the photos and that might explain a few things
Bazell@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 292d
Ahh... Trump has done some shit again. Thanks for explaining.
orioler25@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 293d
Yeah, libs have been very open about homophobia and ableism since Trump was elected and they had a crisis that warranted a suspension of the performance. Statistically, we know most men in the US are complacent with or perpetrators of sexual violence and a significant amount -- even the majority in some places -- fetishize youth and teen women. For Americans, it really is more reputation destroying to have done queer shit than to be a rapist pedophile (this includes "ephebophiles," sorry).
They're not going to get mad about racism and genocide, it isn't even going to be on their minds because they don't actually oppose the underlying values that facilitate those policies currently. They will make a show of anti-racism and constitution protection so long as it remains a rhetorical response exclusively.