My neighbor tried to raise some turkeys for Christmas. Those were bred to grow really quickly but his timing was off. They have to be slaughtered within a small window before they get too fat and their hearts give out. He had to do an early Christmas.
It's pretty common for animals in the meat industry. A broiler chicken goes from hatching to supermarket in 6 weeks. That's what's being called efficiency these days.
Don't know about the small window thing. We had turkeys for a while, but to be fair it was more about domestic animals than food source.
Those things would get huge. I remember once some friends were coming to visit at night and seeing them on the roof got scared and ran off.
Wtf are you on about? They don't get to decide what symbols belong to them. Ok 👌? 🐸 Fuck Nazi's appropriating culture for themselves. Iirc the style of this comment indicates their membership in THE PACK AAYROOOO
Feels like the gray wolf isn't defined enough as a fascist symbol that there's plenty of latitude for non-fascists to use it. Like if that account is known to use it that way it's one thing, but otherwise it's probably just a coincidence. The swastika is the most widely known symbol of hate these days but even now you can go see it on all kinds of temples in Asia, so if even that gets used in a non-nazi way these days surely the gray wolf isn't only defined as a fascist symbol.
Here Grey wolf are regularly attacking in the street, sometime with knife, and some murder of exiled people opposed to Erdogan seems to be related to this guys. Just fascists
Grey wolves are considered as a historic symbol by Turks, similar to how a bald eagle is treated by americans or dragons to Chinese people. You can also see ultra-nationalist people of these countries use these symbols a lot, but it doesn't change the meaning of these symbols to the majority of the country's population.
I don't remember what the name of the logical fallacy where you conflate a small problem with a big one, but that's what you're doing. It's a poor argument regardless of the context.
I'm not letting some obscure group of fucking Turks claim a goddamn emoji as their own and stop using it myself. Same with Pepe, a 🐸 emoji, or 👌. They already have the swastika and a bunch of others from the ACTUAL Nazis, let them use those instead.
Yes they are. It's a bunch of armchair political experts confidently talking out of their buttholes.
There IS a racist political movement, which is often referred as Grey Wolves abroad who think they own the symbol, but leaving an ancient cultural story to a bunch of fucks is the stupidest thing ever. This is the same level of stupid as saying Pepe the Frog is a white supremacist symbol.
Ah so this is about an organization named "grey wolves" known for their hostile worldviews, not the grey wolf from the historical tale about a she-wolf raising a human children? This could have been elaborated better.
You‘re getting downvoted but I agree with you. The joke in the image is funny, but the presence of these grey wolve emojis suggests affiliation with the Grey Wolves which are fascist. No debating that, I don’t get the other comments here.
No they are not right. I can't know the political views of someone in some shitpost, but the original grey wolf symbolim comes from Turkic mythology, which is today being co-opted by racist fucks. It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk's Nazi salute doesn't automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him).
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it's ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk's Nazi salute doesn't automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him)
I agree with you there, but it’s hard to tell in a shitpost like this. So when in doubt rather avoid putting fascist ideology out there.
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it's ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
The Nazis also didn’t invent the Swastika, it’s on a lot of temples in Asia. You don’t see me reclaiming it when I convert to Buddhism. Some symbols are just tainted. It sounds like giving in to far right trolls, but I’d rather spend my energy on worthwhile struggles.
My girlfriend is sometimes a turkey and she loves to be eaten. She asks to be eaten. Sometimes, when she's really in need, she begs for me you eat her. I have no idea what the original post was talking about
As a vegetarian who mostly eats vegan, why is it that I find PETA so annoying?
Without looking into it further, I'm gonna guess the same reason I find a lot of people I agree with on a number of issues so insufferable: holier-than-thou, self-congratulatory, moral crusading.
Just existing and being willing to answer people's questions genuinely is way more effective. I literally never bring it up, people only find out by happenstance and often ask about it themselves. If they don't, it's not that interesting (in my opinion).
I mean, people who you believe to be morally right can still be irritating idiots. I'm not a vegan, but I get it. I have friends who are, I don't say no to a vegan meal (unless there's corn in it because that gives me an unpleasant time on the toilet). I do think PETA is fighting for something they believe in, and I think that's admirable. I also think they're annoying.
Their tactics can be annoying and ridiculous, but I think that any honest assessment of why people generally find them annoying would admit that it’s people being reactionary. The whole “How do you know someone’s a vegan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you” is almost the exact opposite in reality: people can’t shut up about NOT being vegan.
So you'd recommend only eating animals until they are endangered and then eating other animals until they are no longer? Is that what you want to express?
Or are you arguing that some animals are more sentient than others (e.g. mammals vs mussels), and we should switch to eating snails and mussels only, because of that?
I didn't say which one is better choice. Killing cows may be preferential as fewer beings have to exist and extinction is preferable. Or you use another metric. I don't care. Just be consistent and sensible in your arguments.
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Concerning the corn, we could just plant sweet corn instead, or any other plant really. Or what would prevent us from doing that?
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Now it might be true that a lot of people don't want to eat Tofu Tempe and Soy milk, but we could as well plant any other vegetable instead of Soy beans, and who could resist some delicious Brussel sprouts for example???
How is converting it to animal protein with a factor of at best 10:1 conservation of resources? Conservation of resources would be to produce less, and also produce less livestock.
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli.
If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants "die" for animal feeding.
Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question...
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you're immobile like a plant, it doesn't make sense to feel pain because you can't run. You don't need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that. 70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you're getting that number? That's being insanely generous. What we're talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I'm sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven't said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
to the extent that they don't understand that they themselves might die, plants don't want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
Meh it's more equivalent to something like cowboys in the west.
Like yeah far-right likes to use them for ads and pretend it's their symbol but when Japanese spiderman show has a cowboy with skates it isn't referencing "American far-right."
The Grey Wolves officially known by the short name Idealist Hearths , is a Turkish far-right political movement and the youth wing of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Commonly described as ultranationalist, neo-fascist, Islamo-nationalist (sometimes secular), and racist, the Grey Wolves have been described by some scholars, journalists, and governments as a death squad and a terrorist organization. Its members deny its political nature and claim it to be a cultural and educational foundation, citing its full official name: Idealist Hearths Educational and Cultural Foundation.
Maybe many use the symbol and they don't know what it represents, but i don't take it as an excuse. Same goes with many other fascist symbols.
Saying “PETA kills dogs” to defend the meat industry is just a scale mismatch. PETA euthanizes a few thousand mostly sick or unadoptable animals. The meat and dairy industry breeds and kills billions of animals every year, many of whom are unhealthy because they’re bred for extreme production. Even if you dislike PETA, it’s not remotely comparable.
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WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 42 pts · 269d
My neighbor tried to raise some turkeys for Christmas. Those were bred to grow really quickly but his timing was off. They have to be slaughtered within a small window before they get too fat and their hearts give out. He had to do an early Christmas.
lena@gregtech.eu · 70 pts · 269d
That's a pretty miserable existence for turkeys
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 39 pts · 269d
It's pretty common for animals in the meat industry. A broiler chicken goes from hatching to supermarket in 6 weeks. That's what's being called efficiency these days.
vaionko@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 268d
I worked at a broiler farm one summer. 35 days is the time from when they arrive to when they leave to get slaughtered.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 269d
A lot of people live this way too. They just keep working and getting fatter until they die of a heart attack at 60
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 7 pts · 268d
Lmfao fair point
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 269d
You're supposed to change their feed when they get to the desired size.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 269d
Don't know about the small window thing. We had turkeys for a while, but to be fair it was more about domestic animals than food source. Those things would get huge. I remember once some friends were coming to visit at night and seeing them on the roof got scared and ran off.
AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 268d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 18 pts · 269d
Mmm.... Turkish delight... 🤤
ramius345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
Timmy, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 269d
I want to be eaten. Nobody's doing anything about that.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 269d
Asın lan bayrakları! ASIIIIN!!!
gnawmon@ttrpg.network · 13 pts · 269d
🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇬🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
hayvan@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 268d
Törki nabır van ulan!
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
Hav kuld der bi ani bettır abi?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 268d
Fun fact : The wolf either references Turkish fascism or ancient furry porn OR the other, less popular ancient furry porn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_creation_myth
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 267d
That's a grey wolf, that's definitely a fascist whistle whilst also now being a government-friendly sign of patriotism
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 264d
So, like this red flag with the blue cross in US?
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 264d
Yup
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 267d
Also an old folk-tales character... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_wolf_(mythology)
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 269d
If don't want to be eaten, why delicious?
a14o@feddit.org · 10 pts · 269d
Yo! Grey wolves = fascist, don't repost that shit
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 269d
Wtf are you on about? They don't get to decide what symbols belong to them. Ok 👌? 🐸 Fuck Nazi's appropriating culture for themselves. Iirc the style of this comment indicates their membership in THE PACK AAYROOOO
blurb@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 269d
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 269d
Feels like the gray wolf isn't defined enough as a fascist symbol that there's plenty of latitude for non-fascists to use it. Like if that account is known to use it that way it's one thing, but otherwise it's probably just a coincidence. The swastika is the most widely known symbol of hate these days but even now you can go see it on all kinds of temples in Asia, so if even that gets used in a non-nazi way these days surely the gray wolf isn't only defined as a fascist symbol.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 7 pts · 268d
Gray Wolf in conjunction with Turkish flag and arms fire is pretty unique. Smells like Nazi.
You get sensitized if it's in the news regularly. I would expect it to be less well known oversees.
menas@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 268d
Here Grey wolf are regularly attacking in the street, sometime with knife, and some murder of exiled people opposed to Erdogan seems to be related to this guys. Just fascists
blurb@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 269d
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in · 9 pts · 269d
Grey wolves are considered as a historic symbol by Turks, similar to how a bald eagle is treated by americans or dragons to Chinese people. You can also see ultra-nationalist people of these countries use these symbols a lot, but it doesn't change the meaning of these symbols to the majority of the country's population.
blurb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in · 1 pts · 268d
O durum senin cahilliğin git biraz tarihini oku
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 269d
Everything I don't like is fascism
blurb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 269d
I don't remember what the name of the logical fallacy where you conflate a small problem with a big one, but that's what you're doing. It's a poor argument regardless of the context.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 269d
iirc it's the slippery slope fallacy
blurb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
YgestWefsid@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 269d
Are not grey wolves a cultural symbol related to an old turkish tale? Does not look facist to me.
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 269d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_%28organization%29
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 269d
I'm not letting some obscure group of fucking Turks claim a goddamn emoji as their own and stop using it myself. Same with Pepe, a 🐸 emoji, or 👌. They already have the swastika and a bunch of others from the ACTUAL Nazis, let them use those instead.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 4 pts · 268d
In the Turkish diaspora they are used as a dog whistle for Turkish nationalist. Good dog whistle too. You don't hear it.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 268d
Yes they are. It's a bunch of armchair political experts confidently talking out of their buttholes.
There IS a racist political movement, which is often referred as Grey Wolves abroad who think they own the symbol, but leaving an ancient cultural story to a bunch of fucks is the stupidest thing ever. This is the same level of stupid as saying Pepe the Frog is a white supremacist symbol.
qevlarr@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 269d
YgestWefsid@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 269d
Ah so this is about an organization named "grey wolves" known for their hostile worldviews, not the grey wolf from the historical tale about a she-wolf raising a human children? This could have been elaborated better.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 8 pts · 268d
You‘re getting downvoted but I agree with you. The joke in the image is funny, but the presence of these grey wolve emojis suggests affiliation with the Grey Wolves which are fascist. No debating that, I don’t get the other comments here.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 268d
No they are not right. I can't know the political views of someone in some shitpost, but the original grey wolf symbolim comes from Turkic mythology, which is today being co-opted by racist fucks. It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk's Nazi salute doesn't automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him).
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it's ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
Bababasti@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
I agree with you there, but it’s hard to tell in a shitpost like this. So when in doubt rather avoid putting fascist ideology out there.
The Nazis also didn’t invent the Swastika, it’s on a lot of temples in Asia. You don’t see me reclaiming it when I convert to Buddhism. Some symbols are just tainted. It sounds like giving in to far right trolls, but I’d rather spend my energy on worthwhile struggles.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 269d
Yes, that is the point. Oh, this isn't about 40k?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
It's more like fascists trying to steal a symbol ngl.
Like highschoolers will have a phase where they use a wolf pfp online and talk about how they wished they were a horse archer for example.
Not necessarily politics. The party "gray wolves" on the other hand is fucking openly fascist.
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 269d
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 268d
My girlfriend is sometimes a turkey and she loves to be eaten. She asks to be eaten. Sometimes, when she's really in need, she begs for me you eat her. I have no idea what the original post was talking about
rat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 268d
How is she sometimes a turkey? She a furry?
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 268d
It just means that she's sometimes silly.
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
Feathery?
Calling someone/something a Turkey is a colloquial insult.
AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
I'm sure there's a turkey furry out there with a vore fetish.
robocall@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 268d
the greeks are here
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 269d
If they don't want to be eaten all they have to do is say it.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 269d
They do, in their own way.
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 269d
All mine said was "gobble gobble," I'm getting mixed messages here.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 6 pts · 268d
If Turkeys dont want to be eaten, why are they made out of food?
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 267d
As a vegetarian who mostly eats vegan, why is it that I find PETA so annoying?
Without looking into it further, I'm gonna guess the same reason I find a lot of people I agree with on a number of issues so insufferable: holier-than-thou, self-congratulatory, moral crusading.
Just existing and being willing to answer people's questions genuinely is way more effective. I literally never bring it up, people only find out by happenstance and often ask about it themselves. If they don't, it's not that interesting (in my opinion).
Anecdotally, anyway.
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 6 pts · 267d
I mean, people who you believe to be morally right can still be irritating idiots. I'm not a vegan, but I get it. I have friends who are, I don't say no to a vegan meal (unless there's corn in it because that gives me an unpleasant time on the toilet). I do think PETA is fighting for something they believe in, and I think that's admirable. I also think they're annoying.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 267d
Their tactics can be annoying and ridiculous, but I think that any honest assessment of why people generally find them annoying would admit that it’s people being reactionary. The whole “How do you know someone’s a vegan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you” is almost the exact opposite in reality: people can’t shut up about NOT being vegan.
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 1 pts · 267d
There's truth in that for sure. I see it as a human thing, not a vegan/non-vegan one. We just love to be correct.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 267d
Because they are terrorists.
They fund other terrorists
They kidnap and kill animals from loving homes.
they "adopt" animals and immediately euthanize them.
Often dumping the bodies from both into random dumpsters, when their enormous corpse freezer is full.
They love putting naked women on display in cages and various other clearly fetishistic scenes.
They are a group of extremists who do nothing but harm animal rights by their sheer existence and association with the subject.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 267d
They also just murder shelter animals and do negative PR
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 269d
A lot of plants don't want to be eaten either. Tough shit, I am hungry.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 269d
Some do, actually. Most plants that taste good basically rely on being eaten as part of their reproductive cycle.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
In particular cultivars. So do pigs.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 268d
Mostly berries sure but we eat a lot more plants than that.
theolodis@feddit.org · 12 pts · 269d
Wanna guess how many plants are wasted to feed animals, only for humans to eat them?
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 269d
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 269d
That's it? I was hoping to see at least 10 trillion animals killed this year... /s
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
we? I don't. stop it.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 268d
Gladaed@feddit.org · -1 pts · 268d
Not all animals are the same. Killing an endangered dolphin weighs much different to eating a mussel.
theolodis@feddit.org · 4 pts · 268d
So you'd recommend only eating animals until they are endangered and then eating other animals until they are no longer? Is that what you want to express?
Or are you arguing that some animals are more sentient than others (e.g. mammals vs mussels), and we should switch to eating snails and mussels only, because of that?
Gladaed@feddit.org · -1 pts · 268d
Just saying their figure is completely irrelevant since not all are created equally.
We should probably substitute meat by eating more mollusks. They are rather eco friendly. And insects, probably.
A chicken is also much smaller than a cow.
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
Your penis is also much smaller than a cow, or a chicken. Should we all start eating your dick? Seems like size does matter indeed.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
I didn't say which one is better choice. Killing cows may be preferential as fewer beings have to exist and extinction is preferable. Or you use another metric. I don't care. Just be consistent and sensible in your arguments.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 268d
Well you should probably stop eating fish then, because trawling absolutely does kill dolphins. Its called by-catch.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
Do you understand what am example is? Most fishing trawlers don't fish in the Amazonas river. So you are somewhat wrong.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
Yeah I think you are right.
big_slap@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
theolodis@feddit.org · 4 pts · 268d
To be completely fair, some plants actually produce fruits with the intent of them being eaten, because that's their way of Zoochorie/Hemerochorie
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 268d
Plants that humans wouldnt be able to digest efficiently anyway, unlesss you are talking about the more bourgeois meats
theolodis@feddit.org · 2 pts · 268d
Like soy and corn, which famously can't be digested by humans.
x4740N@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
You do realise it's waste product not suitable for human consumption
For example waste spy product from the production of your soy milk which also uses a ton of water and drives deforestation
The farms also kill farm pests with use of farming machines, pesticides and shotguns
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
hans@feddit.org · -1 pts · 268d
people don't want to eat field corn, but the soy that is given to livestock is mostly the waste product from pressing soybeans for oil
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Concerning the corn, we could just plant sweet corn instead, or any other plant really. Or what would prevent us from doing that?
hans@feddit.org · 0 pts · 268d
none. not really. if we are using it, it's not wasted, and much of what we feed livestock is plants or parts of plants that people can't or won't eat
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
According to the Soy bean producers of North Carolina, the soymeal is a by product of the soy oil production, where a small portion is used for Tofu and Soy milk and the majority becomes animal feed: https://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
So all of the soy protein given to animals would indeed be digestible by humans.
Now it might be true that a lot of people don't want to eat Tofu Tempe and Soy milk, but we could as well plant any other vegetable instead of Soy beans, and who could resist some delicious Brussel sprouts for example???
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
if we don't plant soybeans, we won't get soybean oil
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
Well, in that case we could just mix the soy protein in other foods, I guess.
But I'd also suspect that we wouldn't need the quantities of soy oil, and we just use that because of the synergy with the livestock food.
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
we already feed people soy. but we make a lot more than people want to eat. feeding it to livestock is a conservation of resources
theolodis@feddit.org · 1 pts · 267d
How is converting it to animal protein with a factor of at best 10:1 conservation of resources? Conservation of resources would be to produce less, and also produce less livestock.
x4740N@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 268d
Wanna know how many of those plants are waste product only and plants only suitable for animal consumption
Do you see a human eating hay
Cut the greenwashing crap
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
Is hay the only thing that can grow on that land? Could we grow food humans like instead?
You do need to think things through a bit more than that.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org · 11 pts · 268d
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #22
Plants have feelings too
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 268d
What part of "Tough shit, I am hungry" made you think I care about the desires of the plant?
madjo@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 268d
Plants communicate.
Those tears you shed when cutting onions is because of a defence mechanism of the onion, the scent you smell when cutting grass is another.
We also know that fungi and trees communicate with eachother as well. They even help eachother gain nutrients.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org · 2 pts · 268d
Yeah, agreed. Life wants to live. Pain and fear is something animals feel so they can get away from potential harm. If you're immobile like a plant, it doesn't make sense to feel pain because you can't run. You don't need to have a brain nor a central nervous system to deal with that.
70% of global crops are fed to animals. Stop eating animals and grow forests instead, to make our planet healthier.
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 268d
It's closer to 30%.
About 80% of the biomass of the food grown for human consumption is fed to livestock as well. That may be where you're getting that number? That's being insanely generous. What we're talking about is like, corn stalks, squash vines, that kind of shit. The parts of the plants humans cannot physically eat but none the less must produce to feed ourselves.
I'm sure the irony of your bullshit bingo card is completely lost on you but you haven't said anything that strictly speaking could be interpreted as true in this thread.
x4740N@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 268d
More greenwashing
I'm surprised how much lemmy lets vegans get away with the greenwashing stuff
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 268d
Is greenwashing a new term where you dont have to engage with vegans in conversation?
hans@feddit.org · -1 pts · 268d
no, they're not. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth?
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 268d
What's the real number?
hans@feddit.org · 2 pts · 268d
humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 268d
Thats closer to the global number, but local numbers can be far worse. If you look at just the US its under 20% of crop calories went to people. The rest went to livestock and machines.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 268d
That doesn't mean they're sentient though, those are just chemical signals
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
to the extent that they don't understand that they themselves might die, plants don't want too be eaten any more than they want to keep living. the same is true for animals
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 268d
Not true at all, many animals share the same emotions as humans, who are animals themselves.
hans@feddit.org · 0 pts · 268d
they may have emotions, but this doesn't entail that they understand personal mortality.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
They understand it the same way we do. Just because we created stories and religion around it doesnt mean we experience it any different. They understand, just like we do, pain is bad and food and water are good. Just because we can write papers about the subject doesnt make the feeling different.
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
I think you misread "mortality" as "morality"
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 268d
Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive is proof animals understand mortality. Its the same impulses that keep humans alive as well.
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, i'd be happy to read it
I think you are making that up
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 268d
Elephants mourn their dead family members. Is that a bad example?
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 269d
Fuck plants! I'll eat 'em all!
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 269d
If I could photosynthesize and fix my own atmospheric nitrogen, I happily would.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 267d
Genuinely shocked that no one drew a picture of a turkey with legs spread saying "I want to be eaten, Daddy" in reply to this.
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 2 pts · 267d
nuko147@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
Oh, yes. Grey wolves. Far-Right of Turkey..
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Meh it's more equivalent to something like cowboys in the west.
Like yeah far-right likes to use them for ads and pretend it's their symbol but when Japanese spiderman show has a cowboy with skates it isn't referencing "American far-right."
nuko147@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
The Grey Wolves officially known by the short name Idealist Hearths , is a Turkish far-right political movement and the youth wing of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Commonly described as ultranationalist, neo-fascist, Islamo-nationalist (sometimes secular), and racist, the Grey Wolves have been described by some scholars, journalists, and governments as a death squad and a terrorist organization. Its members deny its political nature and claim it to be a cultural and educational foundation, citing its full official name: Idealist Hearths Educational and Cultural Foundation.
Maybe many use the symbol and they don't know what it represents, but i don't take it as an excuse. Same goes with many other fascist symbols.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in · 1 pts · 267d
Gray Wolves are a historic symbol to Turkish people. No turkish citizen is giving that away to a bunch of hypocrite arab nationalists.
BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 268d
If they didn’t want to be eaten, they shouldn’t have been made of food ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Emerald@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 267d
You're made of food
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 268d
Turkeys don't want to be eaten, but they get eaten anyway?
Complete this sentence in any way it resonates with you:
I don't want to _____________, but I have to ____________ anyway.
Because life's not fair.
madjo@feddit.nl · -9 pts · 268d
Has PETA ever asked lettuce if it gave consent to being eaten?
I mean, I'm all for a decreased consumption of meat, but PETA's methods don't work.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 268d
PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
madjo@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 268d
And PETA is soooooo ethical in their own treatment of animals. All of their shelters are no-kill shelters, right? Right?!
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 268d
I'm not arguing for or against PETA, just pointing out that your lettuce comment should be addressed to PETV.
madjo@feddit.nl · -4 pts · 268d
Good point 😊
debil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Saying “PETA kills dogs” to defend the meat industry is just a scale mismatch. PETA euthanizes a few thousand mostly sick or unadoptable animals. The meat and dairy industry breeds and kills billions of animals every year, many of whom are unhealthy because they’re bred for extreme production. Even if you dislike PETA, it’s not remotely comparable.
hans@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
there are only about 1.5 billion cattle in the world. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 268d
hans@feddit.org · 2 pts · 268d
somehow I read "beef and dairy". whoops
baconsunday@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 268d
Reading comprehension is important. You lack them.
debil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/billions-of-chickens-ducks-and-pigs-are-slaughtered-for-meat-every-year
As a bonus: add to this animals that habit water.
hans@feddit.org · 0 pts · 268d
you spoke specifically about cattle. now you are moving the goal posts
debil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 268d
Where? I wrote about "meat and dairy industry" and "animals".
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 268d
Doing what's best for an animal doesnt always mean keep it alive at all costs, you realize this right?
Do some research about their programs before you spout some nonsense.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 268d
Have you ever looked into the details of their shelters?