It feels like this movie is coming too late and has missed the boat for the fans who enjoyed the show. I don't even remember most of it now and I long since removed it all from my Plex server.
I loved the first season and really enjoyed the second. Then fired up the third only to discover that a chunk of related action had taken place in a whole other show, and that was the point at which I gave up on caring about anything Disney have their hands on. I won't be made to do homework just so I can enjoy a fucking TV show.
The only exception was Andor, because Rogue One was top notch and I wanted to see how they got to it.
Yeah there is a certain amount of time before it just feels like a rehash of things im over with. I mean when there is a large pent up call for more content because it was dropped before fans got their fill. Like firefly. I mean makes some sense but even that is tough after so much time.
Has anyone else fallen out of love with Star Wars? Donāt want to be a downer, but serious question. Maybe it was about āwhat it could have been?ā But also clone wars tv shows felt right from someone growing up with episode 4-6 and seeing 1-3 in theaters as a teenager was cool.
Star wars is ruined. It used to be regarded as our society's mythology, literally it was on that level of being revered, but now it's just another oversaturated commodity on the grocery shelf made bland by corporate committees
Andor is genuine meaningful storytelling. Disney hasn't the slightest clue what Star Wars was about and it's only when they accidentally give someone creative the reins that they get good content. Based on actions in the last years, if Disney had actually figured out the message of Andor, they would have stopped it to avoid upsetting investors, shareholders, and consumers.
Rogue One was also well done, as a classic WWII movie painted lovingly in a glossy coat of Star Wars. It was the epitome of what "A Star Wars Story" should have been: classic tales and tropes done well in a galaxy far, far away. You want to print money? Remake classics like Home Alone or Die Hard in the SW universe.
Mandalorian S1 was a solid telling of the lone wolf & cub trope, with great acting through the helmet. Then it became a Grogu marketing vehicle that was also tied in to the travesty of the ST and all other point was lost.
Believe it or not, Skeleton Crew was a good "kids on bikes" tale, with exactly the right energy for the "it's a kids' movie" crowd. It's not flawless, but it has heart and joy.
Otherwise, I can't think of a Disney offering that isn't flashing lights, jangling keys, and memberberries.
The OT and PT were for kids, but also had deep meaning that clearly connected with multiple generations into adulthood. No other franchise in nerddom is close to being the cultural touchstone that is classic Star Wars.
"Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans" is like "if you won't respect me, I won't respect you." Same words, but used wrong. Fans hate what has been done to Star Wars because it's like seeing the decaying corpse of a loved one used as a fist-in-the-ass puppet in a commercial for hemorrhoid cream.
I had read almost every Star Wars novel on the planet, even the bad ones. I had played almost every Star Wars video game on the planet, even the bad ones. My understanding of Star Wars was that it's a vast universe that enables the telling of all kinds of stories with slight magical and/or sci fi twists.
When they announced that all those stories would be thrown away to make space for new ones I was slightly perturbed but was open to seeing what they'd do with it. After all they had plenty of examples to show them what not to do.
Then they released a somewhat enjoyable movie with an imperial war lord (again) being controlled by some dark Jedi (again) using an even bigger deadlier superweapon (again). And they paired that up with an incomprehensible political landscape that makes absolutely no sense other than to press the good guys into an underdog role (again).
Still, the movie was somewhat enjoyable. So I was ready to see what they had in store to tie all of that together. And then The Last Jedi showed that they had absolutely nothing in store. Nobody had thought of anything beyond that one movie. It was just a disjointed mess of wouldn't it be cool if.
The last one just cemented that feeling. I didn't even bother to watch that one in theatre which turned out to be a good decision. They had thrown away thousands of pages of material to give us this mess. And they didn't even acknowledge any wrongdoings.
I watched the side stuff. The Mandalorian season 1 could still live outside of the rest of Disney. But with season 2 ever more connections crept in.
I got so sick and tired of being reminded of what they had destroyed I couldn't even enjoy the good stuff. I gave up on Star Wars. I'll just play Jedi Knight, KOTOR and TIE Fighter forever.
Yes, but they crammed four seasons of story into season 2. Originally they wanted to end with season 5.
This is what happens when you plan out the whole thing ahead of time. You can pivot on the spot to meet market (or overlord) demands. Must have been too organised for Disney.
I was a massive Star Wars fan but the prequels dampened my spirit a bit.
Force Awakens, which is basically Star Wars Greatest Hits album, I really enjoyed but episodes 8 and 9 disappointed.
It felt like, well it shows, they had no plan for the trilogy. Abrams makes up a story and then Rian Johnson has to figure out how to continue it etc.
Then we all thought that Mandalorian was going to be the coolest TV show ever and then they introduced Grogu. You obviously can't expect Disney to pander to 40 something year old nerds exclusively but I can't deny it was disappointing.
Obi-Wan show was a story that didn't really need to exist and felt like fan pleasing.
Boba Fett was fan pleasing onto a whole new level and then turned into Mando season 2.5.
I couldn't get into Ashoka, the Acolyte was really disappointing and Skeleton Crew was basically Star Wars Goonies but was really enjoyable.
I'm hoping the Ryan Gosling film turns out to be good. I wish wish we had the Rogue Squadron film as well.
More content set in the Star Wars universe that isn't connected to stories we've already had please.
You took it a step further than I did. I saw 7-9, the first two seasons of Mandalorian and rebels. It was too much and saw the signs to just stop, but kept hoping. Rogue One was the hope in the right direction.
Star Wars is only good anymore when it's just a story wrapped in Star Wars paper. Andor: WW2 spy thriller. Skeleton Crew: Goonies knockoff. Disney has no goddamn clue what to do with their IP, and that includes Marvel. The best Marvel movies are not about superheroes.
Really? I thought it was basically setting the scene for the climax of the prequels and then the middle trilogy, so it was kinda important. Especially with that 'Jar Jar' character getting a proper role in the goings-on.
The stylisation of the title lends itself to pulp-adventure stories, as if an old-timey radio announcer was about to tell you what happened āLast Time onā¦ THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU!ā.
The poster that this logo is on looks like a grey mush.
They donāt know what they want this movie to be. It is going to be mush.
It's just Disney's attempt to Lone Wolf & Cub the shit outta the OG fandom for Boba Fett (fuck that series and the shite "prequels", btw) and this is clearly a dressed-up precursor to even more Grogu merch. Simple as.
When they threw away ALL of the extended lore and stories and then later said "we can't write good stories cuz we have no source material to use" was when I knew that star wars was truly dead. Not to say there aren't gems here and there. As a whole, the star wars we loved and grew up with, no longer exists.
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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 42 pts · 256d
It feels like this movie is coming too late and has missed the boat for the fans who enjoyed the show. I don't even remember most of it now and I long since removed it all from my Plex server.
natecox@programming.dev · 26 pts · 256d
djdarren@piefed.social · 24 pts · 256d
I loved the first season and really enjoyed the second. Then fired up the third only to discover that a chunk of related action had taken place in a whole other show, and that was the point at which I gave up on caring about anything Disney have their hands on. I won't be made to do homework just so I can enjoy a fucking TV show.
The only exception was Andor, because Rogue One was top notch and I wanted to see how they got to it.
natecox@programming.dev · 6 pts · 256d
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 256d
Except for the Abednego species. They're canon no matter what IMB (so far) š¤š¼
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 256d
And also Babu Frikās species.
āIt is the broken.ā
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 255d
That li'l bodger can babble at me any day of the week. He needs an Accidental Badass scene, IMHO. š¤š¼
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 256d
Kenobi was absolute trash. Disney should go to jail for that travesty.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 256d
You remove things from your Plex server?!
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 256d
Not all of us have infinite space for stuff.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 256d
Yeah there is a certain amount of time before it just feels like a rehash of things im over with. I mean when there is a large pent up call for more content because it was dropped before fans got their fill. Like firefly. I mean makes some sense but even that is tough after so much time.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 256d
Tell me more about this plex server.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 256d
Youāre right, we all died.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 256d
Has anyone else fallen out of love with Star Wars? Donāt want to be a downer, but serious question. Maybe it was about āwhat it could have been?ā But also clone wars tv shows felt right from someone growing up with episode 4-6 and seeing 1-3 in theaters as a teenager was cool.
Poop@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 256d
I'm with you. I can't believe how many shows, movies and everything that are out there. I just don't really care anymore.
I still enjoy the originals and some parts of the prequels, but Disney has done their thing and made it into a Disney universe.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 256d
I'm with this guy.
Beacon@fedia.io · 10 pts · 256d
Star wars is ruined. It used to be regarded as our society's mythology, literally it was on that level of being revered, but now it's just another oversaturated commodity on the grocery shelf made bland by corporate committees
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 256d
I'm still all in.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 256d
What has been your favorite recently?
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 256d
Andor
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 256d
I heard that was the pretty good compared to the rest of Disney content.
Infinite@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 255d
Andor is genuine meaningful storytelling. Disney hasn't the slightest clue what Star Wars was about and it's only when they accidentally give someone creative the reins that they get good content. Based on actions in the last years, if Disney had actually figured out the message of Andor, they would have stopped it to avoid upsetting investors, shareholders, and consumers.
Rogue One was also well done, as a classic WWII movie painted lovingly in a glossy coat of Star Wars. It was the epitome of what "A Star Wars Story" should have been: classic tales and tropes done well in a galaxy far, far away. You want to print money? Remake classics like Home Alone or Die Hard in the SW universe.
Mandalorian S1 was a solid telling of the lone wolf & cub trope, with great acting through the helmet. Then it became a Grogu marketing vehicle that was also tied in to the travesty of the ST and all other point was lost.
Believe it or not, Skeleton Crew was a good "kids on bikes" tale, with exactly the right energy for the "it's a kids' movie" crowd. It's not flawless, but it has heart and joy.
Otherwise, I can't think of a Disney offering that isn't flashing lights, jangling keys, and memberberries.
The OT and PT were for kids, but also had deep meaning that clearly connected with multiple generations into adulthood. No other franchise in nerddom is close to being the cultural touchstone that is classic Star Wars.
"Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans" is like "if you won't respect me, I won't respect you." Same words, but used wrong. Fans hate what has been done to Star Wars because it's like seeing the decaying corpse of a loved one used as a fist-in-the-ass puppet in a commercial for hemorrhoid cream.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 255d
100% Andor but I enjoy the Mandalorian and a lot of the other recent stuff.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 8 pts · 255d
I had read almost every Star Wars novel on the planet, even the bad ones. I had played almost every Star Wars video game on the planet, even the bad ones. My understanding of Star Wars was that it's a vast universe that enables the telling of all kinds of stories with slight magical and/or sci fi twists.
When they announced that all those stories would be thrown away to make space for new ones I was slightly perturbed but was open to seeing what they'd do with it. After all they had plenty of examples to show them what not to do.
Then they released a somewhat enjoyable movie with an imperial war lord (again) being controlled by some dark Jedi (again) using an even bigger deadlier superweapon (again). And they paired that up with an incomprehensible political landscape that makes absolutely no sense other than to press the good guys into an underdog role (again).
Still, the movie was somewhat enjoyable. So I was ready to see what they had in store to tie all of that together. And then The Last Jedi showed that they had absolutely nothing in store. Nobody had thought of anything beyond that one movie. It was just a disjointed mess of wouldn't it be cool if.
The last one just cemented that feeling. I didn't even bother to watch that one in theatre which turned out to be a good decision. They had thrown away thousands of pages of material to give us this mess. And they didn't even acknowledge any wrongdoings.
I watched the side stuff. The Mandalorian season 1 could still live outside of the rest of Disney. But with season 2 ever more connections crept in.
I got so sick and tired of being reminded of what they had destroyed I couldn't even enjoy the good stuff. I gave up on Star Wars. I'll just play Jedi Knight, KOTOR and TIE Fighter forever.
teolan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 255d
At least it got us Andor, which is very very good.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 3 pts · 255d
And even that they had to cancel.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
How? Isn't Andor's story complete?
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 2 pts · 254d
Yes, but they crammed four seasons of story into season 2. Originally they wanted to end with season 5.
This is what happens when you plan out the whole thing ahead of time. You can pivot on the spot to meet market (or overlord) demands. Must have been too organised for Disney.
UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 256d
I was a massive Star Wars fan but the prequels dampened my spirit a bit.
Force Awakens, which is basically Star Wars Greatest Hits album, I really enjoyed but episodes 8 and 9 disappointed.
It felt like, well it shows, they had no plan for the trilogy. Abrams makes up a story and then Rian Johnson has to figure out how to continue it etc.
Then we all thought that Mandalorian was going to be the coolest TV show ever and then they introduced Grogu. You obviously can't expect Disney to pander to 40 something year old nerds exclusively but I can't deny it was disappointing.
Obi-Wan show was a story that didn't really need to exist and felt like fan pleasing.
Boba Fett was fan pleasing onto a whole new level and then turned into Mando season 2.5.
I couldn't get into Ashoka, the Acolyte was really disappointing and Skeleton Crew was basically Star Wars Goonies but was really enjoyable.
I'm hoping the Ryan Gosling film turns out to be good. I wish wish we had the Rogue Squadron film as well.
More content set in the Star Wars universe that isn't connected to stories we've already had please.
teolan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 255d
Andor andor andor. It's soo good, and with so little fan service it's very surprising coming from Disney.
UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 255d
Andor is really the best thing Disney did since getting the Star Wars franchise.
Rogue One was also surprisingly brilliant and despite the general negative reviews, I really like Solo as well.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 256d
You took it a step further than I did. I saw 7-9, the first two seasons of Mandalorian and rebels. It was too much and saw the signs to just stop, but kept hoping. Rogue One was the hope in the right direction.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 254d
Watch Andor. Trust me. Best Star Wars in a looong time, maybe ever. It took me a few episodes to get properly into it, but boy did it pay me back.
DemBoSain@midwest.social · 4 pts · 255d
Star Wars is only good anymore when it's just a story wrapped in Star Wars paper. Andor: WW2 spy thriller. Skeleton Crew: Goonies knockoff. Disney has no goddamn clue what to do with their IP, and that includes Marvel. The best Marvel movies are not about superheroes.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 255d
I only watched āAttack of the Clonesā, and didn't get the hype.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 1 pts · 255d
You basically started with the worst one.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 255d
Really? I thought it was basically setting the scene for the climax of the prequels and then the middle trilogy, so it was kinda important. Especially with that 'Jar Jar' character getting a proper role in the goings-on.
Nanook@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 256d
Ah soulless, just the way I like my manufactured corporate sentiment.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 256d
āSentimentā
FatVegan@leminal.space · 11 pts · 255d
This looks like a parody.
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 254d
Yeah, clicked through to the comments to see if itās real.
Weāre clearly in the tail end of the value extraction phase.
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 256d
The stylisation of the title lends itself to pulp-adventure stories, as if an old-timey radio announcer was about to tell you what happened āLast Time onā¦ THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU!ā.
The poster that this logo is on looks like a grey mush.
They donāt know what they want this movie to be. It is going to be mush.
ada@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 256d
Honestly, Grogu is the worst thing about the Mandalorian...
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 256d
It's just Disney's attempt to Lone Wolf & Cub the shit outta the OG fandom for Boba Fett (fuck that series and the shite "prequels", btw) and this is clearly a dressed-up precursor to even more Grogu merch. Simple as.
Visstix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 256d
Yeah I was so looking forward to a bounty hunter show, somehow they made 2 shows with bounty hunters without bounty hunting..
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 256d
I've been saying this for a very long time but this show always seems to remind me something done a while back:
Infinite@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 255d
Did that kid genocide some frog people for giggles too?
Altrex@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
Ok, May 21st? They couldn't push for May 4th?
njm1314@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 255d
Really can't believe they didn't come up with a better title
UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 256d
I'll probably see this but watching the trailer, it just doesn't feel like a film. It looks like expensive TV footage.
Flamekebab@piefed.social · 5 pts · 256d
Does anyone actually give the slightest shit about Grogu?
usernamefactory@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 255d
Shut your mouth, Baby Yoda is adorable.
BurnedDonutHole@ani.social · -2 pts · 255d
Shhhh don't hurt the little shit's feelings. It doesn't know it's in a shitty productions and it's made up...
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 5 pts · 256d
Man. The only reason to watch this might be Pedro. Maybe. Grogu is rapidly approaching Minion level.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 255d
When they threw away ALL of the extended lore and stories and then later said "we can't write good stories cuz we have no source material to use" was when I knew that star wars was truly dead. Not to say there aren't gems here and there. As a whole, the star wars we loved and grew up with, no longer exists.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 256d
Does anyone else find it bland, washed out, and upsettingly unbalanced?
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 256d
Maybe it's the bloom, but there's this contrast in relative crispness that make the end result seem like a digital hand painting added to a photo.
DrSleepless@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 253d
The movie that looks like a tv show
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 256d
Neat detail of an Imperial Walker being reflected on the bottom-right of Djarinās helmet.
cdnwaffleiron@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 255d
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 256d
The Star Wars Mandalorian and Grogu
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 256d
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 255d
Ever thought of just not watching it?