The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)
The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.
No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.
But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.
...no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.
The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.
Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.
I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.
I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.
Lol "extremely thick phone". Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it's razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You'd think they'd revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it's an odd feature to carry over.
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Exactly, and it's easier to make them user serviceable that way too.
I've never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.
I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they'd design it like their ultra-thin phone.
No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can't see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.
Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
They've also become really, really good at outsourcing R&D to other companies. This lets them outsource the expense of trial and error, and swoop down with a mature product once everyone else has paid for it.
15 years ago they famously patented, and then leaked that they were working on a fingerprint reader authentication method, and then they watched the Android manufacturers bend over backwards to implement it so they could say they did it "first." In those early days of smartphones, being first to implement something and then claiming Apple copied it was a big deal for people who wanted to be first movers (today they are called "techbros"). Motorola Mobility ate the cost of R&D, was never able to recoup the costs, and ended up being sold to Google for their patent portfolio. By the time Apple released Touch ID two and a half years later, Motorola Mobility was a shell of itself, and ended up being sold a second time to Lenovo.
Foldable phones have been a thing for a while, and Apple just sat back and took notes on what everyone else was doing. Surface Duo killed Microsoft's last attempt at a mobile device. Now it's a relatively mature market (we have tri-fold phones for two years now and tablets that fold into a laptop with a bluetooth keyboard) and now Apple will swoop in and bring the rest of the market.
The money isn't in being a first mover; it's in making a reliable product that everyone can use. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Apple made a trillion dollars while OpenBSD (upstream for a lot of Apple's ecosystem) struggled to pay its light bills.
Generally true - but multitouch was a real innovation. I'm not familiar with other manufacturers perfecting touch interfaces AND design paradigms optimized for it.
There were decades of development of touch screen devices with UI paradigms designed explicitly for touch. Notwithstanding all of the Palm and Symbian and Windows CE devices, I feel like I shouldn't have to point out that the Nintendo DS came out in 2004, three years before the iPhone.
It's just that these were resistive screens and stylus based...
That headset is certainly my a strange device. It definetly has that Apple magic to it. Incredibly impressive to actually use. But at that price it needs to solve a problem. It needs to justify itself.
A MacBook is a laptop. It does laptop things.
An iPhone is a smartphone. It does smartphone things.
An Apple Watch…well, I use mine for quick notifications, smarthome interactions and mobile payments but most people buy it as a fashion accessory. It’s amazing this product line survived to maturity.
Then we get to the Vision Pro which does….what? It doesn’t solve a problem. It’s the most amazing thing to serve no purpose. Apple was figuring they would throw this device out there and someone else would figure out what to do with it. Obviously that didn’t happen.
The UI lead just left the company within the last couple of months. Reports are the staff is overjoyed at that news. A lot of turnover in their leadership this past year, actually. Feels like this may be a new chapter coming up for the company. Rumor is Tim Apple may retire next year.
The issue with the second one was their failure to notify users about the throttling. It is a decent solution for an end of life battery to throttle the device to prevent crashes.
Yeah I have zero qualms with my phone running slower if it means it doesn’t randomly reboot. That was the whole reason why Apple implemented it in the first place.
I said usually. And all of those complaints were overblown or taken way out of context. Like the cable thing? A cheap-ass charging cable from
China catches an iPhone on fire, the headlines would read “iPhone catches on fire.” Any hardware manufacturer would be wise to block unlicensed chargers like that. But consider their hardware releases…
I'm prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as "leaks" are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let's face it - people want sensationalism and they won't shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
There are a few people that Apple would love to delete from the face of the planet.
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who’s consistently divulging Apple’s plans, is one. TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is always sharing information based on his supply chain checks, is high up on the list, too.
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
But YouTuber Jon Prosser is public enemy number one that Apple is trying to truly silence. And for good reason: the man who Apple sued in July for leaking iOS 26 and Liquid Glass keeps spoiling Apple’s unreleased products with high-quality 3D renders in his videos
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
I was actually looking at foldable phones a few weeks back, seems like 2 screens isn’t enough to make a difference, but 3 screens are. It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again. And it’s kind of a big deal because I’ve had iPhones since 2008.
I’m not disagreeing with you but whose phone do you plan on buying next? Pichai + Brin also bribed trump (they were at the inauguration alongside Tim Apple and others)
I don’t know yet. I’ll get a new phone when this one dies. The point is that I used to buy iPhones as default, and that is no longer the case. I wonder how many customers they lost like me - theoretically I could have been a life long customer.
That gold trophy though really rubbed me the wrong way. And Ihate apple for that.
And yes I know they all donated for ballroom paid for inauguration. They're all shit but Apple is the shitiest IMO.
Only issue is gapps there are lots of phones not made by Americans.
Buy secondhand, especially if you still want iphones. Money goes to lower class (something like Facebook marketplace has no tax), no money to "less bad" competing companies, and you'll get a much cheaper product which still has the "appleness" you want.
It makes huge difference. I'm on Fold since Fold 4 and would never go back to a slab phone mostly because I just read books or text web/social media. The square display is perfect for this as you get proper 80-120 character lines with large font and enough space for media etc.
It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
From the times when things were actually convenient to use. Buttons shouldn't get random presses while the thing is in your pocket. Screens should be protected from scratches and dirt while in your pocket. It's more compact when folded while in your pocket, while thicker, but an apple fits in my pocket, so thickness is not a problem.
Remind me what happened? Ah, yes, Steve Jobs went out on a stage and confused the hell out of millions of hamsters, telling them he's brought them their Star Trek communicator. Well, that's not what he said, but that's what they heard and what he meant.
I've gotten used to making sure my hands are not sweaty when using a phone, and that it's practically not usable when it's cold and your fingers are not very precise, like when walking or when in a crowded place, and that you should be careful with that pocket to not occasionally unlock the thing and repost something personal into apartment building common WhatsApp chat, things like that.
But sometimes I recall that with a Motorola flip phone I could do everything with no loss of ability or speed in all these situations.
Not even talking about battery life.
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again.
So if wasn't their overpriced cult bullshit that turned you off Apple. Well at least you drew the line at their endorsement of a felonious authoritarian pedo. Minimum possible bar cleared.
I've literally seen pants that have what looks like pockets but when you actually check there no actual pockets there. It's like they cut the hole, made the folds, then stitched them closed.
Yes and no… Women do complain about a lack of pockets, while simultaneously buying pants that physically don’t have room for pockets.
But on the other side of the same coin, women’s heavy duty cargo pants have smaller interior pockets too. Like the exterior pouch pockets may be the same/equivalent size, but the main front and back pockets are often still tiny. There’s no real way to rationalize that or blame women for it, because that’s the entire point of the pants, and there is 100% enough room for larger pockets in those baggier pants.
And no, they often can’t just buy men’s pants, because the cut is very different. Guys tend to have narrower hips and wider waists. Women wearing men’s pants will tend to have the waistband fit (but can’t get their hips into them) or be able to get their hips into the pants (but then need to cinch down the waist by a ridiculous and uncomfortable amount). Women’s pants tend to have more hip room and narrow waistbands, to account for that.
I am AFAB - been wearing mens pants for years and I don't have a problem fitting into them. Probably largely depends on individual body shape and even then, taking measurements and matching it to the correct waistband/inseam size usually works out.
My crackpot conspiracy theory is that women's pants pockets are smaller in order to force women to buy and use purses.
This is actually why I adore my Motorola razr. First phone I've had in I don't know how many years that fits easily into the front pocket of my jeans and is relatively unnoticeable. Love the folding form factor.
Some of next years linux phones look quite compelling. Lora radios and powerful enough to pull off what canonical and Microsoft failed to do years ago.
If they succeed, it will be absolutely devastating to an industry that absolutely deserves to be slapped around. One device that transforms to fill multiple demands based on what you plug it into. It’s the continuum concept without Microsoft tripping over its own dick.
I don’t remember. There were 2 I recently saw, one with interchangeable gable bottom face plates and the other…I don’t remember. I don’t save them anymore since half of these damn things never materialize but there’s so much effort in that space now and literally the entire world fucking hates the techbros now so it’s going to happen.
NFC payments are nice, but honestly I could use a case with a credit card shoved in it to get the same effect. A good camera is important, but the "screen mirroring" of Android Auto and Apple Car Play are hard to go without.
Especially since most modern cars don't allow you to replace the stereo. I've got a double-din, I could mount a tablet or raspberry pi, setup some sort of a system to automatically turn on hotspot on bluetooth connect, sync my podcasts between phone and car, and I'd have something about 80% of the way there and about 90% more janky.
I use a phone with a keyboard attachment and thus my phone is too large to fit many man's trouser pockets either.
So now when I shop for trousers, I intentionally check whether my phone fits the pockets and weigh large pockets over looks.
It would be interesting if there's at least some women's trousers with large enough pockets. If there are and women in large numbers actually buy these and reject small-pocket trousers no matter the looks, I think that could get some traction.
If there's really not a single pair of trousers available, even via online shopping, that has decently sized pockets, then of course that wouldn't work.
I would guess (and this is decidedly an uneducated guess based on maybe a dozen or so women I talked with about that topic), many women do dislike small pockets, but dislike bad style, bad fit or bad looks more.
There are a few companies that go out of their way to make pants for women with pockets. Nothing at any local retailer an it sucks to buy clothes online when you can try them on, especially since women’s sizing is an absolute nightmare.
I buy men’s work out clothes so I can have pockets when I’m lounging around the house.
You’re wrong about why women’s clothes don’t have pockets. Women were never given a choice to buy clothing with pockets.
Initially, pockets were not accessible in women’s clothing due to the layers they were required to wear. After the suffragette movement when liberated women began to wear pants, designers intentionally kept pockets small to prop up the purse industry.
Handbags are one of the most profitable items in the fashion industry.
It too late for this product to succeed. If it isn’t absolutely perfect, it won’t matter that it’s great. It took so long to get here the public has unrealistic expectations now.
Meanwhile, the techbros and pretty much poisoned consumer electronics and everyone is looking for a way to jump ship.
I think we are going to see Linux phones get sales like the iPhone air did this year, which weren’t great for Apple but mean something very different for competition.
Watched the video on mine. I was thinking the same thing lol. Only difference is the alleged no center dent, which, tbh, people make too big of a deal out of. Once you use it for a bit you don't even notice it anymore. Meh.
Apple was actually the first to offer several years of software updates and usually their hardware has been very durable. The 1-2 year upgrade cycle on Apple was only ever for stupid clout chasers who think it matters if you have the latest. Among regular Apple users, keeping a phone for years isn't uncommon.
Still wouldn't buy one of these because I don't want my phone to fold. I want a new iPhone mini. And ideally a Mini Pro.
I’m not sure if it’s possible but a mini pro but with good battery life would be the ultimate phone for me personally. I’m basically always on my feet but use my phone a lot so a large battery is important, but I also want a small phone and a good camera. I doubt that’ll happen though.
Tbh, I think that Apple makes stuff like the Vision Pro not to make money but to appear as if they have some kind of technological leadership.
They can claim that they have the best headset on the market. No need to actually sell any units.
(And of course other manufacturers could make just as nice headsets for that price point, but most other manufacturers actually need to sell units and thus they build them with realistic hardware.)
iPhones are too locked down for the hardware they have. I’m writing this on an iPhone 15 …
The foldable I like the most I’ve seen are the Motorola razrs. That’s vertical. The best fat foldables are going to be Android because of all the video game emulators for Android
I don’t understand the last sentence. All the video game emulators for Android compared to what OS? Because at this point, RetroArch emulates pretty much everything, and is available for Android and iOS. Running anything that needs hardware caching on iOS needs sideloading of course.
So what is it that makes the Android foldable experience better for emulators than, say, an iPad?
Interesting, didn't hear of that yet. Apparently, Apple changed their stance on emulators in summer 2024. Before that they had emulators banned completely from the iOS store. Now it appears that they allow them, at least Retroarch.
I really don't want Apple to enter this market because then all the current OEMs will just be even more incentivized not to make generational advancements, and to just copy Apple's Chinese grade quality to sell more slop because idiots will buy.
Google already threw a grenade with their subpar pixel fold and then Samsung magically swapped off snapdragon for their zflip. If Apple joins, next they'll start using plastic for the shell and still charge $999.
People who think this won't be a competitive product can just look to the past 20 years of Apple successfully selling stupid shit for exorbitant prices. I would even bet money it comes with an even deeper crease than current gen foldables against the "new hinge tech" hype this guy is claiming.
Message go Apple: "Small Hands exists, you fucks!"
Also invent something useful. Seamless foldables is, ehh.
How about a phone you don't need too touch? Like make siri actually functional?
Or be dramatic and figure out a wag to counter the dumming down you propagate with your phones and find a way to improve peoples critical thinking skills...
People who judge other people based on nothing other than what technology brand they use instantly are instantly lower on my respectometer.
Fuck off with that shit.
I used Symbian for years, then I used android tablets as a complement to the Symbian phones for years, then I got an iPhone for work, and when my last Symbian device died I got an iPhone as I knew the OS from my work phone. A few years later I tried an Android phone for a few months, but when the display got totaled in a drop, and I had to send the phone away, I just got back to my iPhone as it was easier to fix on the spot in local repair shops.
I am an IT guy, I don't care about blue or green bubbles, if you are on Android, that is fine, that probably works better for you, for me iOS has so far served me well.
Stop judging others for their preference of tech brands. Apple and Google are both evil.
It’s not just about the bubbles - it’s about having congruent feature sets. When the Android phone joins the group message, the experience is notably different.
The other thing that drove me to iPhone over Android is that the experience is largely consistent. You can tell people what to do from a far based on OS version and phone model because there are so few models. It’s really hard to ask your elderly parent which phone and is this or that feature available remotely. You never know which manufacturer removed what feature
Things are a lot better now that the EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS, at least.
I haven’t forgotten the fact that at the apple event announcing iMessage they claimed it would come to other platforms at a later date. That was before they realized what a strong moat it was. For how much they claim to put the user first, they really only do so when it benefits their bottom line or they’re forced to by regulators. Fingers crossed third party app stores come to more places than just the EU and Japan.
If you need to claim this was external pressure, China was an actual driver of this but did not force this either.
The main reason is to get away from legacy sms/mms systems. Sending and receiving on the iPhone side is messy as a poor user experience for Apple's users.
One small example is how SMS gets split at 160 and would often come out of order because of the limitations of sms.
The cell networks are moving to a pure data layer model. Sms don't send over data, RCS does. Same reason everything it volte now.
Things currently fall back to sms, but expect it to be dead within a decade as future hardware cycles through (on the carrier side) and support is dropped in favor of streamlined protocols.
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Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 128 pts · 228d
Assuming he's right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they're keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???
scratchee@feddit.uk · 97 pts · 228d
The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 228d
how do you propose removing it?
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 228d
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)
SARGE@startrek.website · 17 pts · 227d
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
Wildly appropriate username here. Also, 100% correct.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 227d
are you talking about the Air? last time i checked all iphone models have a camera bump.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 227d
The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.
0x0@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 227d
lol how is 11mm extremely thick
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 227d
how is it not?
0x0@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 227d
You said so yourself.
If phone cases make the bump (and perceived problem) disappear, everyone must be using extremely thick phones already.
You can't have both, not that I agree with 11mm being extremely thick anyway, case or not.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 227d
No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.
But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 227d
Phones 5 years ago have lightyears worse cameras than phones today.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 227d
But their thickness can accomidate todays cameras.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 227d
...no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.
The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 227d
Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.
I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.
I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.
frizzo@piefed.social · 3 pts · 227d
Lol "extremely thick phone". Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it's razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 228d
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 228d
It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 228d
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You'd think they'd revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it's an odd feature to carry over.
warm@kbin.earth · 22 pts · 227d
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 227d
Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 227d
Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 227d
Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people's hands that way too.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 227d
Exactly, and it's easier to make them user serviceable that way too.
I've never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 228d
I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they'd design it like their ultra-thin phone.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 228d
But it's not stupid thin, it's got a giant lump on it?
warm@kbin.earth · 11 pts · 227d
Thinness should be defined by it's thickest point.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 227d
No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can't see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.
warm@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 227d
I know better cameras demand more space, but you cant claim your phone is thin with them. Not that I think thin phones are useful, pointless gimmick.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 227d
5.6 - 9 - 5.6
hip - waist - bust
If it's good enough for girls it's good enough for phones
SARGE@startrek.website · -9 pts · 227d
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 227d
While noble, that was a tongue in cheek diminutive and I was including myself in that category.
frizzo@piefed.social · 5 pts · 227d
How do you feel about cunts?
Quadhammer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d
Bruh if that guys post bothered you that much you need to do some grass maxing
FireWire400@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 228d
The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn't steal from Google
Edit: Yes, I'm totally butthurt about that guys. Fuck Tim Apple!!11
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 228d
are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.
cardfire@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 228d
"These assholes included an antenna and SIM slot again!?! HTC did that last season. So unoriginal."
Matt@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 227d
I wish they still included a SIM card slot.
cardfire@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 227d
100% of the phones I purchase include the SIM slot. No joke.
I want even aware iPhone users lost this ability with the iPhone 14 and beyond, until your remark. I'm so sorry. :(
Matt@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 227d
It’s not just iPhone anymore. Pixel 10 removed the SIM card as well.
cardfire@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 227d
Business as usual, I see. There but by the grace of the gods go we all.
zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 227d
Wait, how the fuck do you have a GSM phone with no Sim card slot?
Matt@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 227d
eSIM. It is an integrated chip on the device.
NachBarcelona@piefed.social · -5 pts · 228d
Idk, explaining how the crap iPhone is 99 % IP theft doesn't really lead anywhere.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 228d
I sort of assumed that these days design patents are mostly ignored by smartphone companies.
After a while it just makes sense to drop the legal stuff and stop wasting money on constant lawsuits.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 228d
Man anyone else remember the Nexus 6P?
warm@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 227d
This folding iPhone also looks like the Pixel Fold
H1AA6329S@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 228d
Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
fartsparkles@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 228d
Apple’s entire history as an org has been as a fast follower, not a first mover.
The Apple Newton is a great example of why they avoid being a first mover.
SOULFLY98@slrpnk.net · 37 pts · 227d
They've also become really, really good at outsourcing R&D to other companies. This lets them outsource the expense of trial and error, and swoop down with a mature product once everyone else has paid for it.
15 years ago they famously patented, and then leaked that they were working on a fingerprint reader authentication method, and then they watched the Android manufacturers bend over backwards to implement it so they could say they did it "first." In those early days of smartphones, being first to implement something and then claiming Apple copied it was a big deal for people who wanted to be first movers (today they are called "techbros"). Motorola Mobility ate the cost of R&D, was never able to recoup the costs, and ended up being sold to Google for their patent portfolio. By the time Apple released Touch ID two and a half years later, Motorola Mobility was a shell of itself, and ended up being sold a second time to Lenovo.
Foldable phones have been a thing for a while, and Apple just sat back and took notes on what everyone else was doing. Surface Duo killed Microsoft's last attempt at a mobile device. Now it's a relatively mature market (we have tri-fold phones for two years now and tablets that fold into a laptop with a bluetooth keyboard) and now Apple will swoop in and bring the rest of the market.
The money isn't in being a first mover; it's in making a reliable product that everyone can use. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Apple made a trillion dollars while OpenBSD (upstream for a lot of Apple's ecosystem) struggled to pay its light bills.
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 227d
Generally true - but multitouch was a real innovation. I'm not familiar with other manufacturers perfecting touch interfaces AND design paradigms optimized for it.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
There were decades of development of touch screen devices with UI paradigms designed explicitly for touch. Notwithstanding all of the Palm and Symbian and Windows CE devices, I feel like I shouldn't have to point out that the Nintendo DS came out in 2004, three years before the iPhone.
It's just that these were resistive screens and stylus based...
Except for the LG Prada.
polle@feddit.org · 0 pts · 227d
They will "swoop in" like they did with the vr headset, that was dead on arrival.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 227d
That headset is certainly my a strange device. It definetly has that Apple magic to it. Incredibly impressive to actually use. But at that price it needs to solve a problem. It needs to justify itself.
A MacBook is a laptop. It does laptop things. An iPhone is a smartphone. It does smartphone things. An Apple Watch…well, I use mine for quick notifications, smarthome interactions and mobile payments but most people buy it as a fashion accessory. It’s amazing this product line survived to maturity. Then we get to the Vision Pro which does….what? It doesn’t solve a problem. It’s the most amazing thing to serve no purpose. Apple was figuring they would throw this device out there and someone else would figure out what to do with it. Obviously that didn’t happen.
uncouple9831@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 227d
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 227d
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
The UI lead just left the company within the last couple of months. Reports are the staff is overjoyed at that news. A lot of turnover in their leadership this past year, actually. Feels like this may be a new chapter coming up for the company. Rumor is Tim Apple may retire next year.
uncouple9831@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 227d
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
Apple usually prefers to do it right rather than do it first.
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 227d
You're holding it wrong
We're slowing down your phone on purpose.. for your own good
We have to use a proprietary cable to protect our users from their own stupidity
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 227d
The issue with the second one was their failure to notify users about the throttling. It is a decent solution for an end of life battery to throttle the device to prevent crashes.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 227d
Yeah I have zero qualms with my phone running slower if it means it doesn’t randomly reboot. That was the whole reason why Apple implemented it in the first place.
GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 227d
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 227d
You’re not going to be able to break through a lot of peeps Apple hate on Lemmy, it’s almost as strong as the Microsoft hate.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 227d
I said usually. And all of those complaints were overblown or taken way out of context. Like the cable thing? A cheap-ass charging cable from China catches an iPhone on fire, the headlines would read “iPhone catches on fire.” Any hardware manufacturer would be wise to block unlicensed chargers like that. But consider their hardware releases…
Smartphones prior to the iPhone sucked.
MP3 players prior to the iPod sucked.
Tablets prior to the iPad sucked.
Smart watches prior to the Apple Watch sucked.
NachBarcelona@piefed.social · 0 pts · 228d
Apple is what we call “Sondermüll”.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 58 pts · 227d
Be phone engineer
Finally manufacture one-atom thick phone
The screen is nearly entirely invisible due to its thinness
You can't tap it anywhere or it immediately breaks into a million crumbs like filo dough
The components had to be spread over a 200 square meter sheet to fit all their atoms side by side
Present product to the board, instantly promoted to CEO
Product releases
Everyone buys the waferphone
"It's so thin" say consumers
"Unparalleled convenience and an incredible feat of engineering" say reviewers
Third parties begin selling titanium insulation sheetcases to protect your waferphone
Too big and heavy to take outside, everyone stores their waferphones underground at waferlockers
All phones are now completely inaccessible remotely or physically
Technological nirvana attained at last
RightEdofer@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 226d
goatinspace@feddit.org · 55 pts · 227d
I would like a feature where you fold an iphone into a linux phone.
yggstyle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 227d
Gonna need to ask santa for that next year ;) you juuust missed the cutoff.
I'm quietly praying a certain launch goes so we'll we see a steam phone eventually.
goatinspace@feddit.org · 4 pts · 227d
https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
toynbee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
This kind of folding also seems okay.
HalifaxJones@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 227d
I’m just looking for a device that can also perfectly hold my tacos
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 227d
I mean, do they even have a case against them? It's not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can't keep a lid on their "secrets", that's on them.
I'm focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
kamen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
I'm prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as "leaks" are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let's face it - people want sensationalism and they won't shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 227d
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 227d
I was actually looking at foldable phones a few weeks back, seems like 2 screens isn’t enough to make a difference, but 3 screens are. It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again. And it’s kind of a big deal because I’ve had iPhones since 2008.
swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 227d
I’m not disagreeing with you but whose phone do you plan on buying next? Pichai + Brin also bribed trump (they were at the inauguration alongside Tim Apple and others)
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 227d
I don’t know yet. I’ll get a new phone when this one dies. The point is that I used to buy iPhones as default, and that is no longer the case. I wonder how many customers they lost like me - theoretically I could have been a life long customer.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 226d
don't forget to not buy new. buy a used device whenever possible, unless you specifically want to support a particular company
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 226d
Was going to say this. Second hand phones don't give money to corporations (except via usage, of course).
Auli@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 226d
That gold trophy though really rubbed me the wrong way. And Ihate apple for that. And yes I know they all donated for ballroom paid for inauguration. They're all shit but Apple is the shitiest IMO.
Only issue is gapps there are lots of phones not made by Americans.
PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 227d
Buy secondhand, especially if you still want iphones. Money goes to lower class (something like Facebook marketplace has no tax), no money to "less bad" competing companies, and you'll get a much cheaper product which still has the "appleness" you want.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
It makes huge difference. I'm on Fold since Fold 4 and would never go back to a slab phone mostly because I just read books or text web/social media. The square display is perfect for this as you get proper 80-120 character lines with large font and enough space for media etc.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 227d
From the times when things were actually convenient to use. Buttons shouldn't get random presses while the thing is in your pocket. Screens should be protected from scratches and dirt while in your pocket. It's more compact when folded while in your pocket, while thicker, but an apple fits in my pocket, so thickness is not a problem.
Remind me what happened? Ah, yes, Steve Jobs went out on a stage and confused the hell out of millions of hamsters, telling them he's brought them their Star Trek communicator. Well, that's not what he said, but that's what they heard and what he meant.
I've gotten used to making sure my hands are not sweaty when using a phone, and that it's practically not usable when it's cold and your fingers are not very precise, like when walking or when in a crowded place, and that you should be careful with that pocket to not occasionally unlock the thing and repost something personal into apartment building common WhatsApp chat, things like that.
But sometimes I recall that with a Motorola flip phone I could do everything with no loss of ability or speed in all these situations.
Not even talking about battery life.
Oh, that's when.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d
You might like this, maybe: https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry
Etterra@discuss.online · -1 pts · 227d
So if wasn't their overpriced cult bullshit that turned you off Apple. Well at least you drew the line at their endorsement of a felonious authoritarian pedo. Minimum possible bar cleared.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 227d
As if a foldable mobile was some kind of industry super secret anyway. Apple is a joke.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 227d
I like the idea of a foldable phone but what I really want is a phone that folds enough to fit in my women’s pants pockets.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 33 pts · 227d
The other solution is to make women's pants with pockets that can actually hold things.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 227d
inconceivable!
3abas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 227d
They do, they're just not skin tight. You can't really fit much into a pocket in super tight jeans.
Miaou@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 227d
You've obviously never shopped for women's clothes. Even sport shorts don't have pockets, it's absolutely ridiculous
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 227d
I've literally seen pants that have what looks like pockets but when you actually check there no actual pockets there. It's like they cut the hole, made the folds, then stitched them closed.
It blows my mind!
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 227d
Yes and no… Women do complain about a lack of pockets, while simultaneously buying pants that physically don’t have room for pockets.
But on the other side of the same coin, women’s heavy duty cargo pants have smaller interior pockets too. Like the exterior pouch pockets may be the same/equivalent size, but the main front and back pockets are often still tiny. There’s no real way to rationalize that or blame women for it, because that’s the entire point of the pants, and there is 100% enough room for larger pockets in those baggier pants.
And no, they often can’t just buy men’s pants, because the cut is very different. Guys tend to have narrower hips and wider waists. Women wearing men’s pants will tend to have the waistband fit (but can’t get their hips into them) or be able to get their hips into the pants (but then need to cinch down the waist by a ridiculous and uncomfortable amount). Women’s pants tend to have more hip room and narrow waistbands, to account for that.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
I am AFAB - been wearing mens pants for years and I don't have a problem fitting into them. Probably largely depends on individual body shape and even then, taking measurements and matching it to the correct waistband/inseam size usually works out.
My crackpot conspiracy theory is that women's pants pockets are smaller in order to force women to buy and use purses.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 227d
Even jeans that aren’t skin tight don’t have full pockets.
Mellibird@lemmy.myserv.one · 10 pts · 227d
This is actually why I adore my Motorola razr. First phone I've had in I don't know how many years that fits easily into the front pocket of my jeans and is relatively unnoticeable. Love the folding form factor.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 227d
Some of next years linux phones look quite compelling. Lora radios and powerful enough to pull off what canonical and Microsoft failed to do years ago.
If they succeed, it will be absolutely devastating to an industry that absolutely deserves to be slapped around. One device that transforms to fill multiple demands based on what you plug it into. It’s the continuum concept without Microsoft tripping over its own dick.
Bitswap@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 227d
Can you link to some of the Linux phones you are talking about. My next phone will be a linux phone and it's 9+ months out.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 227d
I don’t remember. There were 2 I recently saw, one with interchangeable gable bottom face plates and the other…I don’t remember. I don’t save them anymore since half of these damn things never materialize but there’s so much effort in that space now and literally the entire world fucking hates the techbros now so it’s going to happen.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
Personally speaking, requirements for a phone now include a high resolution camera, NFC payments, some sort of screen mirroring for cars.
I had to revert from gOS because two of those were not working.
greybeard@feddit.online · 2 pts · 227d
NFC payments are nice, but honestly I could use a case with a credit card shoved in it to get the same effect. A good camera is important, but the "screen mirroring" of Android Auto and Apple Car Play are hard to go without.
Especially since most modern cars don't allow you to replace the stereo. I've got a double-din, I could mount a tablet or raspberry pi, setup some sort of a system to automatically turn on hotspot on bluetooth connect, sync my podcasts between phone and car, and I'd have something about 80% of the way there and about 90% more janky.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 227d
Wait your pants have pockets and they're not vestigial
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 227d
Most of them are. I can really only carry things in back pockets, but then it makes sitting awkward.
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 227d
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 227d
I can see you don’t spent much time with women.
Women aren’t choosing pants with shitty pockets intentionally.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 226d
I'm not in the same boat and don't claim to be.
I use a phone with a keyboard attachment and thus my phone is too large to fit many man's trouser pockets either.
So now when I shop for trousers, I intentionally check whether my phone fits the pockets and weigh large pockets over looks.
It would be interesting if there's at least some women's trousers with large enough pockets. If there are and women in large numbers actually buy these and reject small-pocket trousers no matter the looks, I think that could get some traction.
If there's really not a single pair of trousers available, even via online shopping, that has decently sized pockets, then of course that wouldn't work.
I would guess (and this is decidedly an uneducated guess based on maybe a dozen or so women I talked with about that topic), many women do dislike small pockets, but dislike bad style, bad fit or bad looks more.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 226d
There are a few companies that go out of their way to make pants for women with pockets. Nothing at any local retailer an it sucks to buy clothes online when you can try them on, especially since women’s sizing is an absolute nightmare.
I buy men’s work out clothes so I can have pockets when I’m lounging around the house.
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 227d
thisisdee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
So we should just not wear pants until however long it takes to happen?
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 148d
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 227d
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 226d
You’re wrong about why women’s clothes don’t have pockets. Women were never given a choice to buy clothing with pockets.
Initially, pockets were not accessible in women’s clothing due to the layers they were required to wear. After the suffragette movement when liberated women began to wear pants, designers intentionally kept pockets small to prop up the purse industry.
Handbags are one of the most profitable items in the fashion industry.
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 148d
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 226d
Lyubo@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 227d
Two iPhone Airs sticked together for the price of two and a half. Great job 👏
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 227d
It too late for this product to succeed. If it isn’t absolutely perfect, it won’t matter that it’s great. It took so long to get here the public has unrealistic expectations now.
Meanwhile, the techbros and pretty much poisoned consumer electronics and everyone is looking for a way to jump ship.
I think we are going to see Linux phones get sales like the iPhone air did this year, which weren’t great for Apple but mean something very different for competition.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 226d
Whose making this phone. Nothing coming out seems decent yet. The best one has cut down specs from its none Linux version.
Quadhammer@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 226d
Well I'm pretty sure Android is a Linux offshoot iirc? Fair phone comes to mind but I'm not sure if it's linux based
theherk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 228d
Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.
noodlejetski@piefed.social · 16 pts · 228d
remove all the screens and the charging port and I'm sold.
glowie@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 228d
Remove the whole phone and I’m touching grass
theherk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 227d
More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.
lian_drake@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 227d
That is literally a Pixel Fold
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 226d
Watched the video on mine. I was thinking the same thing lol. Only difference is the alleged no center dent, which, tbh, people make too big of a deal out of. Once you use it for a bit you don't even notice it anymore. Meh.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 226d
Omg it is it even has the horrible curved screen and little notch. How could apple do this horrendous design. Oh wait they gave the notch.
Mcf0603@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 227d
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 227d
The biggest problem with these is the price. Apple wants us on a two year upgrade cycle but these phones are $1500-2000. That’s insane.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 227d
Apple was actually the first to offer several years of software updates and usually their hardware has been very durable. The 1-2 year upgrade cycle on Apple was only ever for stupid clout chasers who think it matters if you have the latest. Among regular Apple users, keeping a phone for years isn't uncommon.
Still wouldn't buy one of these because I don't want my phone to fold. I want a new iPhone mini. And ideally a Mini Pro.
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 227d
I’m not sure if it’s possible but a mini pro but with good battery life would be the ultimate phone for me personally. I’m basically always on my feet but use my phone a lot so a large battery is important, but I also want a small phone and a good camera. I doubt that’ll happen though.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 227d
He says potentially 2000-2500 for this one.
I just bought a 1-year-old phone I really like for $120
Horsey@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 227d
A 5.5” screen is way too small to be worth it. If this costs more than an an iPad + iPhone Pro, this thing is gonna flop more than the Vision Pro did.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 226d
Tbh, I think that Apple makes stuff like the Vision Pro not to make money but to appear as if they have some kind of technological leadership.
They can claim that they have the best headset on the market. No need to actually sell any units.
(And of course other manufacturers could make just as nice headsets for that price point, but most other manufacturers actually need to sell units and thus they build them with realistic hardware.)
network_switch@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 227d
iPhones are too locked down for the hardware they have. I’m writing this on an iPhone 15 …
The foldable I like the most I’ve seen are the Motorola razrs. That’s vertical. The best fat foldables are going to be Android because of all the video game emulators for Android
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 227d
I don’t understand the last sentence. All the video game emulators for Android compared to what OS? Because at this point, RetroArch emulates pretty much everything, and is available for Android and iOS. Running anything that needs hardware caching on iOS needs sideloading of course.
So what is it that makes the Android foldable experience better for emulators than, say, an iPad?
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d
Interesting, didn't hear of that yet. Apparently, Apple changed their stance on emulators in summer 2024. Before that they had emulators banned completely from the iOS store. Now it appears that they allow them, at least Retroarch.
Minimac@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 228d
Ewwwww
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 227d
As with all hyped leaks- I’ll believe it when I see it.
wavebeam@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d
mlg@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 226d
I really don't want Apple to enter this market because then all the current OEMs will just be even more incentivized not to make generational advancements, and to just copy Apple's Chinese grade quality to sell more slop because idiots will buy.
Google already threw a grenade with their subpar pixel fold and then Samsung magically swapped off snapdragon for their zflip. If Apple joins, next they'll start using plastic for the shell and still charge $999.
People who think this won't be a competitive product can just look to the past 20 years of Apple successfully selling stupid shit for exorbitant prices. I would even bet money it comes with an even deeper crease than current gen foldables against the "new hinge tech" hype this guy is claiming.
ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 227d
Message go Apple: "Small Hands exists, you fucks!"
Also invent something useful. Seamless foldables is, ehh.
How about a phone you don't need too touch? Like make siri actually functional?
Or be dramatic and figure out a wag to counter the dumming down you propagate with your phones and find a way to improve peoples critical thinking skills...
GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 227d
NachBarcelona@piefed.social · -44 pts · 228d
People who own Apple devices are instantly lower on my respectometer.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 47 pts · 228d
People who judge other people based on nothing other than what technology brand they use instantly are instantly lower on my respectometer.
Fuck off with that shit.
I used Symbian for years, then I used android tablets as a complement to the Symbian phones for years, then I got an iPhone for work, and when my last Symbian device died I got an iPhone as I knew the OS from my work phone. A few years later I tried an Android phone for a few months, but when the display got totaled in a drop, and I had to send the phone away, I just got back to my iPhone as it was easier to fix on the spot in local repair shops.
I am an IT guy, I don't care about blue or green bubbles, if you are on Android, that is fine, that probably works better for you, for me iOS has so far served me well.
Stop judging others for their preference of tech brands. Apple and Google are both evil.
hddsx@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 227d
It’s not just about the bubbles - it’s about having congruent feature sets. When the Android phone joins the group message, the experience is notably different.
The other thing that drove me to iPhone over Android is that the experience is largely consistent. You can tell people what to do from a far based on OS version and phone model because there are so few models. It’s really hard to ask your elderly parent which phone and is this or that feature available remotely. You never know which manufacturer removed what feature
In iOS? Go here. Do this. Do that. Done
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 227d
Things are a lot better now that the EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS, at least.
I haven’t forgotten the fact that at the apple event announcing iMessage they claimed it would come to other platforms at a later date. That was before they realized what a strong moat it was. For how much they claim to put the user first, they really only do so when it benefits their bottom line or they’re forced to by regulators. Fingers crossed third party app stores come to more places than just the EU and Japan.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 227d
This isn't even a little bit true.
If you need to claim this was external pressure, China was an actual driver of this but did not force this either.
The main reason is to get away from legacy sms/mms systems. Sending and receiving on the iPhone side is messy as a poor user experience for Apple's users.
One small example is how SMS gets split at 160 and would often come out of order because of the limitations of sms.
The cell networks are moving to a pure data layer model. Sms don't send over data, RCS does. Same reason everything it volte now.
Things currently fall back to sms, but expect it to be dead within a decade as future hardware cycles through (on the carrier side) and support is dropped in favor of streamlined protocols.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d
Ah, looks like I was misremembering, thanks for setting me straight. Got me wondering if I’m hallucinating about the multiplat promise now too
Slayer@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 228d
FTFY: People who own Apple devices and believe they are superior are morons.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 227d
NachBarcelona@piefed.social · -14 pts · 228d
I judge people on way more. E.g. on verbose comments on inconsequential asocial media posts ;)
stoy@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 227d
Lucky for you, I don't judge people for replying to the wrong comment.
NachBarcelona@piefed.social · -6 pts · 227d
See, it's inconsequential.