c/leopardsatemyface · by thecaptaintrout@lemmy.zip · 237d

ICE agents pull guns on police officers 'of color' and demand papers: MN chief

https://www.rawstory.com/ice-racial-profiling-2674912991/

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/41922722

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TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 191 pts · 237d (3 replies)

A recurring problem with joining extremist organizations is that eventually it will outpace your personal extremist views and behaviors ... and then you will be a victim of it.

"First they came for the ..." is about people that were Nazis but not Nazi enough ... and in a Nazi-like society no one except Trump/Hitler will ever be Nazi enough to not be culled until the leaders cull themselves.

And remember that when they cull the bottom group that creates a new bottom group by definition. and eventually that new bottom group is gonna include you.

and they not gonna stop culling because of you

human centipede meet human ant mill

danc4498@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 236d

ACAB

shalafi@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 236d

ICE is the modern Brownshirts. Once they became too powerful, they were slaughtered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

OTOH, we don't have anything like the SS to replace them with. Yet.

PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 235d

Martin Niemöller (the author) has an interesting wikipedia page. It behooves everyone to read it.

cogman@lemmy.world · 146 pts · 236d (4 replies)

This is where if police departments wanted to gain credibility, they'd be arresting the ICE agents for assault with a deadly weapon.

Qualified immunity has a "reasonableness" portion to it. It's a pretty strong argument that ICE isn't being reasonable if a cop arrests them for assaulting a cop.

JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 236d (2 replies)

If cops have qualified immunity that is very often used to say cops can easily get away with murder, and agents have Vance blanket twitter pardons, can they just all kill each other with no legal consequences?

Signtist@bookwyr.me · 5 pts · 236d (1 reply)

That's just called war.

acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 235d

How very civil.

dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 236d

Qualified immunity protects government actors from civil penalties (lawsuits) as a result of their actions while on duty and when not violating the constitutional/civil rights of citizens (that's the "qualified" part). I.e., you can't sue the cops for the damage to your doorframe after they kick your door in serving a warrant. It does not protect government actors from criminal prosecution and does not grant them license to violate existing laws, and it never has.

This is also true for ICE, which is why Vance and Stephen Miller are suddenly so keen to start screeching that they think ICE now magically has "absolute" immunity, which there is also no legal basis for whatsoever. Those pulling the strings know that ICE is in fact routinely breaking the law, and they're desperately trying to get out ahead of it while anyone believes that any shred of equal protection under the law still exists.

TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 236d (4 replies)

"Now that it happened to us too, it's a serious problem. This needs to change." Fucking jagoff pieces of shit couldn't have cared less when it was the same people that they bully being oppressed by ICE. The shoe's on the other foot, and now it's a crisis.

suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 236d (3 replies)

So what's going to win with the other police officers in the country? "Back the blue" and support their fellow cop, or racism and back ICE?

Zirconium@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Racism and back ICE. They think blue city cops are DEI hires

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 236d

This is true and extremely funny.

Fuck you, I'm a cop!

Fuck you, you're a ~~racist slur removed~~!

That pretty much is how that goes.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 236d

Well, whats bluer than blue, when it solidifies and expands, hardens and sharpens?

Oh.

Well, that would be ice, white as can be.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 237d (8 replies)

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been pulling guns on off-duty officers of color while illegally demanding their citizenship papers.

And when they identify as a cop, ICE doesn't verify and just walks away...

"And after the officer became so concerned, they were forced to identify themselves as a Brooklyn Park police officer in hopes of slowing the incident and de-escalating the incident down."

"The agents then immediately left after hearing this, making no other comments, no other apologies, just got in their vehicles and left."

Bruley said the anecdote was not an isolated incident.

leftascenter@jlai.lu · 67 pts · 236d

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been pulling guns on off-duty officers of color while illegally demanding their citizenship papers.

Or: Off duty cops see dangerous fascists doing illegal stuff and do nothing.

Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 236d (6 replies)

Is everyone a cop on this blessed day? (Or some similar, not legally protected title, think security officer is enough?

shalafi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d (4 replies)

You and I wouldn't be able to use jargon or talk procedures. It would be immediately obvious we were faking. Come up on me and tell me you're in IT, see how that goes. :)

OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 236d

These ice goons aren't cops though. They're just a bunch of mall Ninjas. You could probably just start giving them Startrek technobable and they wouldn't know the difference.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 236d

ICE recruiting is prioritizing law enforcement for field work right now, but they are also hiring plenty of back of the house personnel as well (desk work), and have been telling them that after more training there is good potential for them to get into the field, too.

Remember "Alice's Restaurant," when the guy tried to avoid the draft by acting crazy?

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL, " and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 236d (1 reply)

I'm at least IT adjacent and have somewhat of a homelab, I feel I could pass for a few minutes longer than an average person.

Cop jargon? I Fail.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 236d

Just use the N word a lot.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 236d

If you want to be abusive toward your fellow citizens, there is no limit to the predatory gun-toting community for you. You have multiple options.

SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 68 pts · 237d (6 replies)

I used to say "support all ICE victims" but now I guess I have to make an exception.

I'm not usually one to indulge in schadenfreude, but yeah when ICE comes for the cops I guess I'll just grab my popcorn.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 237d (1 reply)

Fash-on-Fash violence. I don't not love to see it.

prex@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 236d

thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 236d

BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d (1 reply)

The enemy of my enemy can be used strategically against my enemy until one of them is eliminated. Then I only have one enemy to deal with instead of 2.

SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 236d

I doubt they'll fully turn on each other. we can hope though

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d

"I've got a better idea. Instead of helping you, why don't we sit back and watch you get your ass kicked. That way, you'll be dead, and we'll be glad." - O'Neil

ObsidianZed@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 236d (7 replies)

Since ICE officers don't normally carry identification, or badges, or even show their face, there's nothing illegal about dressing up as an ICE officer as long as you don't actually claim to be an officer, right?

frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 236d (5 replies)

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Agent641@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Don't forget the morbid obesity, resting constipation face, and bruised knuckles from hitting your wife.

frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 236d

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Fedizen@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 236d (2 replies)

It actually would be funny if ice officers were shot at and the perp descriptions were identical to ice officers.

frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d

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frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d

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shalafi@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d

You can buy everything they wear, even POLICE patches, on Amazon, eBay and Etsy. That's where I get my outdoor and gun gear.

abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 56 pts · 236d (6 replies)

I'm waiting for the moment and ICE officer shoots a cop, or when there's a shootout between the two.

Zink@programming.dev · 21 pts · 236d (4 replies)

Yeah but then that potential wake-up call gets put through the 2026 filter and out the other end comes... "Trump claims Harlem should be carpet bombed and casino parking garage built -- midwest gang violence the last straw even if it was Law Enforcement gangs this one time."

BanMe@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 236d (1 reply)

And the cult goes wild cheering sounds

Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d

To real guys, not cool.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 236d (1 reply)

If they went Gaza on any city in America, then we have the justification to kill ALL government authorities.

Zink@programming.dev · 1 pts · 236d

Spoken like a true trouble maker who should relinquish your home to make room for 1% of the NEXT casino parking garage!

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 236d

OR, the situation becomes a case of mutually-assured destruction, like the Cold War. The cops don't want that fight, and the Panthers know it. ALL Cops are cowards at their core, they can't exist in society without carrying an arsenal, and elevating themselves above their fellow citizens. They won't engage someone they KNOW is equally armed, and BETTER TRAINED, and knows the law better.

They'd rather go after poor working people just trying to get by. They are more compliant, and can't afford lawyers.

CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 44 pts · 236d (10 replies)

At a press conference on Tuesday, Bruley said he opposed abolishing ICE but disagreed with how federal officers were carrying out immigration enforcement.

ACAB

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 236d

After what ICE has been doing, is it such a big betrayal of your fellow law enforcement to say that ICE needs to be abolished, and a NEW agency, with a new leadership who is committed to establishing a new culture must replace it?

Woht24@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 236d (8 replies)

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emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 236d (4 replies)

ICE is not the same thing as CBP (customs and border protection). Getting rid of ICE would not leave your border 'unprotected'. This kind of ignorant shit is exactly why you Americans are in this fucking situation.

Woht24@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d

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shalafi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d (2 replies)

We still need people doing ICE's former job. Bet there's not a country on the planet that has zero internal immigration enforcement mechanisms.

emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 236d

I mean Canada at least doesn't have a special armed paramilitary force that goes around seeking people to deport. If someone is in the country illegally and acting improperly someone will notice and inform the police but as far as I'm aware there's nobody raiding culturally diverse restaurants seeking to ruin someone's life.

Zink@programming.dev · 5 pts · 236d

That seems like a law enforcement issue, and boy howdy do we have people for that already!

Like if you're arrested and you are in the country illegally, you could be deported after you've been processed and/or served a sentence. That's already been a thing for a long time. And we could argue in good faith about what the most fair and just policies are surrounding that.

(aside: populations in the developed world are not growing like they used to, and are shrinking in many places. The US is driving away our most respected minds and our most disrespected laborers RIGHT when other nations are going to start treating them even better than before. So even aside from the "be kind to humans" angle it's pretty strategically stupid.)

But what the United States is supposed to be about, as in the Constitution and amendments, is that decent people just get to do their thing to just live life and pursue happiness. You don't get searched or evaluated or judged unless you break the laws we collectively built. Therefore, nobody would going door to door checking people's papers.

The tools that law enforcement would need in order to simply deport all people here illegally are the kinds of things our laws were designed to prevent from ever existing!

I think I would agree with the "liberty" side of that one. It seems much less bad for my family that some folks in town working tough jobs are "ILLeGaL" versus living in a surveillance-state, police-state, fascist dictatorship.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 236d

This is how the Conservative Propaganda Machine finds.people with poor Critical Thinking Skills and separates them from the herd, and starts working on them. I'm this case, they are prepared to accept whatever ICE does to us, because they've been told it will be far worse if ICE goes away.

Was there NOTHING at the border before ICE? Was nobody being stopped at the border before?

Of course not, Border Patrol has been a thing forever, long before ICE was around. If ICE goes away, then we simply rely on the Border patrol, like we've always done.

You could argue that they could do a better job, but sending armed invaders to attack our cities is not the better job they should be doing.

chocrates@piefed.world · 2 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Edited out an explitive that was undeserved.

I disagree, Open borders is the future.

Woht24@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 236d

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itistime@infosec.pub · 39 pts · 236d (1 reply)

It always takes personal experience for these fuckers

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 236d

O-blige them

RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 236d (1 reply)

The entire ICE campain of terror is to supress voters, right? People who fear for their safety will not show up to vote.

kandoh@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 236d

There is no end result they are looking for. This is the totality of their goal, using red state chuds to terrorize blue state citizens. This makes them feel powerful and gives them stuff to post online.

FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Who shot first, the ICE officer or the police officer?

Philosophical chicken and egg type question.

massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 13 pts · 236d

spiderman pointing at spiderman.tiff ?

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 236d

Aw, piggy brain trying to comprehend being on the receiving end of illegitimate state backed violence!

Its kind of adorable, in a way.

Its like doing a magic trick for a dog.

sigh

I'll be amazed if they do anything useful, but I guess its technically a possibility...

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 236d

I guess watching ICE beat up a senator on live TV wasn't enough for these dumb motherfuckers to pick a side.

Witchfire@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 236d

We told them that they weren't safe. They didn't care. Enjoy the face eating.

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 21 pts · 236d (9 replies)

The appropriate response: T+27s https://imgur.com/gallery/patriots-peacemakers-warning-off-gang-colors-H7BgpoJ

Sellouts FA.

RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 236d (8 replies)

Wish that had sound!

RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 236d (6 replies)

Oh I tried. It does nothing for me, tried it a few times. Maybe it just didn't load right for me. Behaves like it doesn't have sound.

TheOakTree@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 236d (3 replies)

Here's an upload with some sound (it's a temp upload, so it won't stay up unless people watch it often):

https://streamable.com/d6oaol

RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 236d (2 replies)

🙏 that audio is absolutely necessary. Good lookin out.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Cop: "You have a good day."

BP: "You have a bad one, sell out! Get the fuck out of here!"

RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 235d

Absolutely love to hear it

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 236d (1 reply)

There's a small speaker icon on the lower right. I had to adjust the screen a bit to find it, and press it. It's much better with sound, as one of the Panthers tears into the black cop, calling him a sell-out.

RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 235d

If you can see the photo I uploaded the speaker is crossed out and grayed out. Nothing happens when I tap it. I was able to watch/listen using the streamable link that was posted.

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 3 pts · 236d

It does! Click the 🔈button to the bottom right!

chocrates@piefed.world · 19 pts · 236d

It's bad, but they aren't doing it to on duty cops yet

ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 236d (2 replies)

They were pretty quiet until it got them.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 236d (1 reply)

Actually, they weren't quiet, they were vocally expressing their support for ICE...

ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 236d

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Professorozone@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 236d (2 replies)

I know this isn't the point but, exactly what papers are they expecting to see? Passport? Birth certificate?

Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 236d

The telepathic paper from dr. Who

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d

White privilege card.

tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 236d

Not like cops to hesitate to shoot people. I'm waiting for a pig shootout any day now.

Evotech@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 236d (1 reply)

The police got policed

arin@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 236d

That's what the FBI is for.. But this is insane

BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 236d

FIRST you Didn't want ICE going after Innocent Mothers and Children and NOW you're Upset that ICE is going After CRIMINALS? Libtards will NEVER be Satisfied!

zd9@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 236d

Yesss please let this be the beginning of the local MPD versus the ICE thugs. Let them destroy each other.

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 236d

Watch people who never care before suddenly care about this because they targeted a "protected" group.

SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 236d (1 reply)

All hail the Fourth Reich. Some of us said it would happen.

Darkness343@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 236d

The fourth Reich cannot happen in the US or anywhere in the world with imperialist tendencies. It can only happen by true German/Austrian hands.

Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 236d

So what we need to happen then is for one or more of these cops to shoot their assailants in self defense.

songwriterallnighter@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 236d

Keeps getting better.