Yeah, that's my reaction too. I'm guessing over 50% is likely true. The immigrants that make it here in the vast majority of cases is literally because they were hard workers and they came to work. Vs these violent racist shitbags who support trump.
agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it's obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with "trust me bro".
It takes no time to make up some bullshit numbers. If every time you come across some obviously bullshit numbers, you have to do all of the research that the bullshitter didn't do, you wouldn't have any time for anything else, and it wouldn't do any good, anyways. You're proposing a completely dominated and losing strategy.
They didn't say white men under 50, they said maga white men under 50, which is an even smaller group. And they commit 80% of violent crime? You've got to back that claim up with sources because I don't believe the stat you said either. I have heard other data points that go strongly against this.
Actually upon further parsing, the statement cannot be true as it a end result reduction.
So while removing them also removes their ability to be victims which does help quite a bit, to get to 80% white men alone would need to commit 90% of violent crimes. Its easier to hit 70%, since only about 60% would need to be from white men but then we still need to account for maga's percentage. The raw numbers including white men of any political affiliation max out at around 60%
And statistics makes this all really hard just to describing, showing the math around it is a mess.
The statement can be made true by more carefully wording it. For example if it was demostic terrorism instead of violent crime. Which I'm going to pretend is where my confusion comes from because I've done the numbers on that one before and I recall it being around that range. I think there is something on ourworldindata for that one.
The part about children is impossible because a lot of women commit crimes against their own children.
Obviously not, even setting aside the claim that immigration would reduce violence against women, which is definitely not the case depending on which ethnoreligious group we're talking about.
My thoughts exactly. Political affiliation is not a statistical crime category collected by law enforcement, so I'd like to see the source behind these numbers as well.
Political affiliation may not be a statistical category collected by law enforcement (though I do question the veracity of that statement, but I don't have the means or the time to dig into it), but we absolutely do have enough info on things like the political leanings of offenders and other similar data points to make confident claims about such data when talking about specific types of crime.
Not saying that I don't absolutely want to see a source behind the claim as well, though. I don't take any of these kinds of claims without some kind of data backing it up. Just that I do know that we can make some confident claims on the political leanings of those guilty of things like mass shootings, as mere seconds before Charlie Kirk was shot he was in the middle of arguing with a woman who was citing statistics on the number of people shot by trans people over the past decade in mass shootings compared to the number of people shot by conservative white men in mass shootings over the past decade (something like 5 to 437 if I remember correctly).
By looking at voter registration and data broker information you can connect that information, sure. On an individual basis it's easy. But it's a different matter to collect that data on all convicted criminals in the country within a given time period. The larger the time period the harder that gets, especially considering that people with older offenses and no recurring offense can petition the court to have their records sealed, making an accurate count harder.
And, speaking as someone who's been on the wrong side of law enforcement a few times in my youth, political affiliation or leanings would not be part of the record unless it was relevant (e.g. politically motivated crime). At least, if it wasn't part of my arrest or court records, then it can't be true in all localities.
Is making an assumption that since most white males in that age range are maga and most white males have a higher rate of violent crime than the general population, those who are violent criminals are more lllelt to be maga. That is correlation and it is used all over in statistics.
This is what separates the magas from everyone else.
They see a chart like this (unverified claims that confirm their prejudices), it's fact because it's on the internet.
We see a chart like this and we are instantly skeptical. Even though we know it's hyperbole, we at least know what hyperbole is, and many of us even know how to say it out loud.
I hear the ocean has a lot of open building space, just drop them in the middle and watch them try and pull their Atlantian empire up by the bootstraps.
A really big people maglev slingshot on the coast. Like a mile long and safely accelerates them at a 44 degree angle out into the ocean in a little chair.
I want you to take my life savings, and make this a reality. Live-streamed like the Truman show. I wanna see which oligarch comes out on top in the battle royale
Ecofascism is not cool! Humans are part of the environment. Indigenous people all over the world live in symbiosis with the environment. The problem isn't humans, it's capitalism driving the ever increasing exploitation of nature so the line can always go up. "Kill all humans" and "humans are a disease" and other such phrases are ecofascism, and completely missing the point.
A woman on Instagram made an excellent point. In the past few years in UK and Ireland, anti-immigration protests happened whenever children and women are attacked by immigrants. However, how come these same protesters don't come out for female victims of domestic abuse or sexually assaulted? Oh yeah I know, because for them, they treat someone who looks different as being worse and held to different standards. It signals "only we can treat our women bad! Fuck off they're ours, foreigners! Moreover, xenophobia is also a projection to bigots' own insecurities. They look for someone deemed weaker to lash out to because they could not be anymore angrier and hateful to themselves. It is our lizard brain putting us on our leash and being enslaved to emotions.
Also some of these "protectors of women and girls" have convictions for domestic abuse. They were silent when a white mp was charged with sexual assault. They were silent when a white dj was charged with sexual assault. It's nothing more than thinly veiled racism. We all know it. If reform Ltd do win the next election, the mask will be off.
Yeah because outside of America there are no criminals, there is no crime, it's just a complete paradise in the whole of the world, there's no CJNG, CDS Los Zetas, Boko Haram, Vodou killing almost 200 elderly because "witchcraft,” none of that; there's no countries with Sharia law that still stone women to death for being raped, noooo, and all those women's trials totally have lawyers and are totally fair.
C'mon lmao. I don't like Maga idiots either but they're far from the only criminals in the world.
Yeah there's nothing like MS-13, Sur 13 (Sureños), Cartel De Gulfo, Latin Kings, Nuestra Familia, Norteños, White Fence, Serbian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Italian Mafia (I think they're done now due to RICO but still), Armenian Power, Tren de Aragua, Sun Yee On, 14k, Wo Hop To, Foochow Paul's Green Dragons, Ping On, Ghost Shadows, Flying Dragons, Wah Ching, Black Dragons...
And I guess that the meme is also assuming the local gangs like Crips, Bloods, Piru, GDs and BDs, O Block, FYB, etc are all Trump supporters, which, I mean, wanna bet? I've got $10 right now that says they aren't. Shouldn't even be too hard to find out just make VladTV ask them.
(Side note, Asain gangs have the coolest names by far. And yes I've read/watched a lot about gangs, it's actually pretty interesting stuff despite being, y'know, bad and whatnot.)
They're not saying immigrants never commit crimes, but that they commit them at much lower rates than us born citizens.
If you're trying to reduce crime, the effective thing to do is target where it actually is rather than scrounging for crumbs where you would like it to be.
Yes, this is the sort of insanity some of the dumbest people left-of-center seem to genuinely believe. Or perhaps this is the sort of insanity that sock puppet bots from Russia are spreading to make them look bad.
Don't be like them if you want to make it more probable that your side wins.
I might have blocked her at this point - I used to see Annie's posts constantly. She's absolutely right, I just can not STAND the Facebook Boomer style of images she posts.
Physical and sexual violence are VASTLY more prevelant from men than from women. And the sort of people who support hateful ideologies like MAGA are by and large, awful people. So while MAGAets might be awful people on average, they're not committing near as much violence.
Well, reported anyway, domestic violence from women is still a joke to most people and sometimes even celebrated, people loved Cardi B drugging and robbing men, men who try to report rape are laughed at and called gay for not enjoying it, if you can even report them because in many states (like my state) rape requires penetration so the worst a woman can be charged with legally speaking is "sexual assault."
It's still probably more men than women, but it's not as little of a problem from women as our numbers and common perception would have you believe, it's just that nobody gives a fuck when the attacker is a girl/woman and the victim is male. I wouldn't know, it's not like I've been raped twice by two different women or anything (because in my state, legally speaking, it was "only" sexual assault. Don't worry though, those women will never be charged with that either, they're free to continue sexually assaulting).
That's horrifying, I'm so sorry that you've lived through that. I said lower on purpose, I CERTAINLY didn't mean zero - because I absolutely know it happens still.
I felt like the world was getting less toxic and this vile but common social reaction was improving. Like, the 80s or 90s vs the late 2010s felt like society had made massive improvement here. But everything's more fucked right now and people are more unabashedly shitty than ever in our lifetimes, I'm sure we're worse off today and will be for a while now.
Fascist women aren't committing the same level of domestic violence as the men, which is directly relevant to the specific claim the post made. I'm not making a moral judgement or statement, just directly addressing the post while you're having some other off topic argument with yourself I guess.
I honestly can't comprehend the concept of posting an image of just text on a microblogging website... Unless maybe it's reshared, but still. I guess everything to try to grasp the fleeting attention these days, all down hill from here.
Our south American countries have those same immigrants you want to include. We don't have white maga men here and the amount of crime and homicides of both men and women are through the roof.
Those are the same migrants that increase the crime rates of their own countries and want to escape the shit they help create and bring their shit behavior to civilized places and are unable to assimilate.
We don't want them here and those loonies want them in their countries?
I think you have a warped view of migrants. The majority are not criminals escaping convictions, most are economic migrants looking for financial stability
I live in the country where those migrants spawn. I could have been one but I decided the world abroad is as garbage as my own country but with prettier streets and civilization. I know the quite undesirable culture of my fellow countrymen.
You have no idea how much they ruin our own countries and they keep ruining it by teaching their kids their lowlife ghetto cultures, spawning corrupted politicians that keep the cancer growing and growing.
Again, there's a disconnect in what you say with an implication that shit flows up. The corruption comes from the top, and trickles down. Those politicians aren't children of farmers, they're the children of elites sent to fancy boarding schools abroad.
Will you shut up and let this random white American who has never been there tell you how things really are in your own country ffs? Do you really think you know your country better than a guy who probably can't even point it out on a map?! You're ruining his savior complex!
(Obviously I'm just kidding and making fun of him, you're cool lol.)
Every single MAGA dipshit I've interfaced with IRL, to a person, has been a shitstain of a human being. Most immigrants I've met have been super nice and work hard.
Technically we probably would have lower crime if we only let vetted people in who have gone through an immigration process be within the USA and like got rid of bad people who happened to be born here but that’s obviously not how things work or would work in a magical world.
"Everyone from any other country than the U.S. and people who claim to be on the same side of politics as me are morally, ethically, and functionally perfect in every way! Bad people only exist on the conservative side of U.S. politics!"
Fuck maga, and all that, but this is a pretty fucking brain-dead take.
To be fair media advertizes republicans as the truck drivers or warehouse workers, and progressives as the artists or the tech CEOs; expect some right-leaning immigrants at first.
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BillyClark@piefed.social · 125 pts · 196d
I'm sure the poster pulled these numbers out of their ass. I wonder what the real numbers would be.
It's guaranteed that replacing MAGA people with the same kind of immigrants we have today would reduce crime, but how much?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 196d
Yeah, that's my reaction too. I'm guessing over 50% is likely true. The immigrants that make it here in the vast majority of cases is literally because they were hard workers and they came to work. Vs these violent racist shitbags who support trump.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 196d
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 196d
It doesn't help that for a lot of minority communities, crimes against children and domestic issues often just go unreported.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 195d
I think that's most communities, minority or not. Stats of those nature are wildly underreported in general.
CaptSneeze@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Darcranium@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
The real MVP of this thread
TheFogan@programming.dev · 4 pts · 196d
agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it's obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with "trust me bro".
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
Find some actual numbers then.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 4 pts · 195d
It takes no time to make up some bullshit numbers. If every time you come across some obviously bullshit numbers, you have to do all of the research that the bullshitter didn't do, you wouldn't have any time for anything else, and it wouldn't do any good, anyways. You're proposing a completely dominated and losing strategy.
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 56 pts · 196d
But then who would get all the DUIs? Checkmate libs!
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 196d
Our prison system will fail!
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Dodge Ram trucks just do that. They have FSDUI built in, so if no ones driving those it solves like three problems.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d
So you're saying a side effect of this would be defunding the police
FinalRemix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
Don't threaten me with a good time
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 33 pts · 196d
Why stop at age 50? Go all the way.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 196d
I assume (or at least, I hope) that they're basing this on some kind of violent crime rate statistics, hence the cut-off.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 196d
It would be nice to include a source for posts like this, to help prevent it being labeled as propaganda if the numbers are legit.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 12 pts · 196d
There's no way those numbers are legit.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 196d
No, they are. It's involves overlaying a few different data sets but most violent crime is committed by white men under 50.
Immigrants of any flavor have lower crime rates than natural born citizens. If you feel this is wrong, that's yoir xenophobia and racism.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 3 pts · 196d
They didn't say white men under 50, they said maga white men under 50, which is an even smaller group. And they commit 80% of violent crime? You've got to back that claim up with sources because I don't believe the stat you said either. I have heard other data points that go strongly against this.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 195d
87% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 196d
Actually upon further parsing, the statement cannot be true as it a end result reduction.
So while removing them also removes their ability to be victims which does help quite a bit, to get to 80% white men alone would need to commit 90% of violent crimes. Its easier to hit 70%, since only about 60% would need to be from white men but then we still need to account for maga's percentage. The raw numbers including white men of any political affiliation max out at around 60%
And statistics makes this all really hard just to describing, showing the math around it is a mess.
The statement can be made true by more carefully wording it. For example if it was demostic terrorism instead of violent crime. Which I'm going to pretend is where my confusion comes from because I've done the numbers on that one before and I recall it being around that range. I think there is something on ourworldindata for that one.
The part about children is impossible because a lot of women commit crimes against their own children.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 196d
Obviously not, even setting aside the claim that immigration would reduce violence against women, which is definitely not the case depending on which ethnoreligious group we're talking about.
unclejeeves@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
My thoughts exactly. Political affiliation is not a statistical crime category collected by law enforcement, so I'd like to see the source behind these numbers as well.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 195d
Political affiliation may not be a statistical category collected by law enforcement (though I do question the veracity of that statement, but I don't have the means or the time to dig into it), but we absolutely do have enough info on things like the political leanings of offenders and other similar data points to make confident claims about such data when talking about specific types of crime.
Not saying that I don't absolutely want to see a source behind the claim as well, though. I don't take any of these kinds of claims without some kind of data backing it up. Just that I do know that we can make some confident claims on the political leanings of those guilty of things like mass shootings, as mere seconds before Charlie Kirk was shot he was in the middle of arguing with a woman who was citing statistics on the number of people shot by trans people over the past decade in mass shootings compared to the number of people shot by conservative white men in mass shootings over the past decade (something like 5 to 437 if I remember correctly).
punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 195d
By looking at voter registration and data broker information you can connect that information, sure. On an individual basis it's easy. But it's a different matter to collect that data on all convicted criminals in the country within a given time period. The larger the time period the harder that gets, especially considering that people with older offenses and no recurring offense can petition the court to have their records sealed, making an accurate count harder.
And, speaking as someone who's been on the wrong side of law enforcement a few times in my youth, political affiliation or leanings would not be part of the record unless it was relevant (e.g. politically motivated crime). At least, if it wasn't part of my arrest or court records, then it can't be true in all localities.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 196d
Is making an assumption that since most white males in that age range are maga and most white males have a higher rate of violent crime than the general population, those who are violent criminals are more lllelt to be maga. That is correlation and it is used all over in statistics.
Nikelui@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 194d
That's not how correlation works.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
This is what separates the magas from everyone else.
They see a chart like this (unverified claims that confirm their prejudices), it's fact because it's on the internet.
We see a chart like this and we are instantly skeptical. Even though we know it's hyperbole, we at least know what hyperbole is, and many of us even know how to say it out loud.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 8 pts · 196d
The stats are way off, so I'm curious where they got those numbers.
Nikelui@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
My gut tells me "it was revealed to them in a dream"
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Only the truly evil, wealthy assholes live much past that. Most MAGA hearts just spontaneously explode around that age.
tangonov@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 195d
She's kidding herself if she thinks immigrants have more respect for women but it's a nice thought
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 195d
There's definitely countries that treat their women better than the average American.
tangonov@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 195d
Are they the countries that need to emmigrate for a better life?
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 194d
Depends on the individuals personal circumstances doesn't it
tangonov@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 194d
Which is why I doubt it
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 194d
People from the UK emigrate to the likes of the US and Canada regularly and vice versa. What do you think about them?
tangonov@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 194d
Invariably shitty or decent people nonetheless
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 196d
Let's just deport all MAGAts. They're easily replaceable, seeing as how they're worthless.
Then people will be standing in line for years to get in to this place. Oh man, sign me the fuck up.
echodot@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 195d
Yeah but who would want them.
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 195d
I hear the ocean has a lot of open building space, just drop them in the middle and watch them try and pull their Atlantian empire up by the bootstraps.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 195d
A really big people maglev slingshot on the coast. Like a mile long and safely accelerates them at a 44 degree angle out into the ocean in a little chair.
Mossheart@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 195d
Mars, maybe.
Archon_Warslut@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
i actually dont want them on mars; i feel like eventually theyd start launching missiles at us.
Mossheart@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 195d
That's a lot of math and engineering to make missiles from Mars to Earth. Have you seen the general education level of a typical MAGA?
FinalRemix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
Any strong male figure would be able to control them easily. So... a farmer?
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 195d
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 16 pts · 196d
Why stop at just the men?
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 196d
Can confirm; plenty of abusive/criminal MAGA women out there.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 196d
Basically, every Karen, to start.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 196d
AND THE CHILDREN, TOO.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
I for one would gladly trade Magatards for immigrants any day.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 196d
But let's be real, which sane country would accept a horde of entitled, violent, lazy, self-righteous child-abusing cis white Christian males?
Probably easier to just go dump them out at sea.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Send them to Mars with Musk. Watch from satellite as they cannibalize themselves out of existence within a year.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 196d
I want you to take my life savings, and make this a reality. Live-streamed like the Truman show. I wanna see which oligarch comes out on top in the battle royale
Xenny@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
whitecollarcry@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d
the_q@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 196d
Siethron@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 196d
Counterpoint: the Ocean.
Have you seen what they're doing to each other down there?
irate944@piefed.social · 3 pts · 196d
Even on land. I’ve seen what lions do when they take over a pride
ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Agreed with the exceptions of the cordyceps fungi and the parasitic wasps. No paradise with those kinds of deaths.
erin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 196d
Ecofascism is not cool! Humans are part of the environment. Indigenous people all over the world live in symbiosis with the environment. The problem isn't humans, it's capitalism driving the ever increasing exploitation of nature so the line can always go up. "Kill all humans" and "humans are a disease" and other such phrases are ecofascism, and completely missing the point.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 196d
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 196d
Look fuck ICE, try them in court and hang them.
But this is an absurd statement.
braydan@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 196d
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 196d
A woman on Instagram made an excellent point. In the past few years in UK and Ireland, anti-immigration protests happened whenever children and women are attacked by immigrants. However, how come these same protesters don't come out for female victims of domestic abuse or sexually assaulted? Oh yeah I know, because for them, they treat someone who looks different as being worse and held to different standards. It signals "only we can treat our women bad! Fuck off they're ours, foreigners! Moreover, xenophobia is also a projection to bigots' own insecurities. They look for someone deemed weaker to lash out to because they could not be anymore angrier and hateful to themselves. It is our lizard brain putting us on our leash and being enslaved to emotions.
DakRalter@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 195d
Also some of these "protectors of women and girls" have convictions for domestic abuse. They were silent when a white mp was charged with sexual assault. They were silent when a white dj was charged with sexual assault. It's nothing more than thinly veiled racism. We all know it. If reform Ltd do win the next election, the mask will be off.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 194d
Yeah because outside of America there are no criminals, there is no crime, it's just a complete paradise in the whole of the world, there's no CJNG, CDS Los Zetas, Boko Haram, Vodou killing almost 200 elderly because "witchcraft,” none of that; there's no countries with Sharia law that still stone women to death for being raped, noooo, and all those women's trials totally have lawyers and are totally fair.
C'mon lmao. I don't like Maga idiots either but they're far from the only criminals in the world.
ADTJ@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 194d
Yeah everywhere has criminals but it's not picking people at random from other countries.
The type of people who want to migrate somewhere usually do not want to stir up trouble in their new home.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 194d
Yeah there's nothing like MS-13, Sur 13 (Sureños), Cartel De Gulfo, Latin Kings, Nuestra Familia, Norteños, White Fence, Serbian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Italian Mafia (I think they're done now due to RICO but still), Armenian Power, Tren de Aragua, Sun Yee On, 14k, Wo Hop To, Foochow Paul's Green Dragons, Ping On, Ghost Shadows, Flying Dragons, Wah Ching, Black Dragons...
And I guess that the meme is also assuming the local gangs like Crips, Bloods, Piru, GDs and BDs, O Block, FYB, etc are all Trump supporters, which, I mean, wanna bet? I've got $10 right now that says they aren't. Shouldn't even be too hard to find out just make VladTV ask them.
(Side note, Asain gangs have the coolest names by far. And yes I've read/watched a lot about gangs, it's actually pretty interesting stuff despite being, y'know, bad and whatnot.)
nandeEbisu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 194d
They're not saying immigrants never commit crimes, but that they commit them at much lower rates than us born citizens.
If you're trying to reduce crime, the effective thing to do is target where it actually is rather than scrounging for crumbs where you would like it to be.
vga@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 195d
Yes, this is the sort of insanity some of the dumbest people left-of-center seem to genuinely believe. Or perhaps this is the sort of insanity that sock puppet bots from Russia are spreading to make them look bad.
Don't be like them if you want to make it more probable that your side wins.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 195d
No one actually believes this, they just say it on the internet and it gets upvoted.
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 195d
I might have blocked her at this point - I used to see Annie's posts constantly. She's absolutely right, I just can not STAND the Facebook Boomer style of images she posts.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 7 pts · 195d
Why only MAGA men? Why do the MAGAets get a free pass?
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 195d
Physical and sexual violence are VASTLY more prevelant from men than from women. And the sort of people who support hateful ideologies like MAGA are by and large, awful people. So while MAGAets might be awful people on average, they're not committing near as much violence.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 194d
Well, reported anyway, domestic violence from women is still a joke to most people and sometimes even celebrated, people loved Cardi B drugging and robbing men, men who try to report rape are laughed at and called gay for not enjoying it, if you can even report them because in many states (like my state) rape requires penetration so the worst a woman can be charged with legally speaking is "sexual assault."
It's still probably more men than women, but it's not as little of a problem from women as our numbers and common perception would have you believe, it's just that nobody gives a fuck when the attacker is a girl/woman and the victim is male. I wouldn't know, it's not like I've been raped twice by two different women or anything (because in my state, legally speaking, it was "only" sexual assault. Don't worry though, those women will never be charged with that either, they're free to continue sexually assaulting).
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 194d
That's horrifying, I'm so sorry that you've lived through that. I said lower on purpose, I CERTAINLY didn't mean zero - because I absolutely know it happens still.
I felt like the world was getting less toxic and this vile but common social reaction was improving. Like, the 80s or 90s vs the late 2010s felt like society had made massive improvement here. But everything's more fucked right now and people are more unabashedly shitty than ever in our lifetimes, I'm sure we're worse off today and will be for a while now.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 194d
Couldn't agree more lol.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 0 pts · 194d
So being a fascist is forgivable for women, gotcha.
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 194d
Fascist women aren't committing the same level of domestic violence as the men, which is directly relevant to the specific claim the post made. I'm not making a moral judgement or statement, just directly addressing the post while you're having some other off topic argument with yourself I guess.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 0 pts · 194d
Calling out base sexism isn't off topic
Decq@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 194d
I honestly can't comprehend the concept of posting an image of just text on a microblogging website... Unless maybe it's reshared, but still. I guess everything to try to grasp the fleeting attention these days, all down hill from here.
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Our south American countries have those same immigrants you want to include. We don't have white maga men here and the amount of crime and homicides of both men and women are through the roof.
Is that what you want to import?
tetris11@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 196d
I think they meant the side of the venn diagram that is exclusively migrants and not maga
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Those are the same migrants that increase the crime rates of their own countries and want to escape the shit they help create and bring their shit behavior to civilized places and are unable to assimilate.
We don't want them here and those loonies want them in their countries?
It doesn't make sense.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 195d
I think you have a warped view of migrants. The majority are not criminals escaping convictions, most are economic migrants looking for financial stability
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
I live in the country where those migrants spawn. I could have been one but I decided the world abroad is as garbage as my own country but with prettier streets and civilization. I know the quite undesirable culture of my fellow countrymen.
You have no idea how much they ruin our own countries and they keep ruining it by teaching their kids their lowlife ghetto cultures, spawning corrupted politicians that keep the cancer growing and growing.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 195d
Again, there's a disconnect in what you say with an implication that shit flows up. The corruption comes from the top, and trickles down. Those politicians aren't children of farmers, they're the children of elites sent to fancy boarding schools abroad.
Darkness343@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
Those politicians grew up in the same culture of parents that taught them it is a good idea to trample over everything in order to succeed.
South American politicians represent the citizens of their own rotten culture
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 194d
Will you shut up and let this random white American who has never been there tell you how things really are in your own country ffs? Do you really think you know your country better than a guy who probably can't even point it out on a map?! You're ruining his savior complex!
(Obviously I'm just kidding and making fun of him, you're cool lol.)
mrslt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
I'm okay with this.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
Every single MAGA dipshit I've interfaced with IRL, to a person, has been a shitstain of a human being. Most immigrants I've met have been super nice and work hard.
Immigrants > MAGAt Traitors
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 4 pts · 196d
Deport them where though? Maybe Mars?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 196d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 196d
Lol, is this from Command & Conquer?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
haha yeah. I considered a gif from The Expanse would get my point across better, but I love this gif too much not to use it.
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 196d
Russia
king_comrade@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Oof this thread is ripe for 13/52 trollposting 😬
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 196d
Technically we probably would have lower crime if we only let vetted people in who have gone through an immigration process be within the USA and like got rid of bad people who happened to be born here but that’s obviously not how things work or would work in a magical world.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
We wouldn’t need to worry about gun control!
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
gaymer@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 195d
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 196d
As a white man, I agree
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
"Everyone from any other country than the U.S. and people who claim to be on the same side of politics as me are morally, ethically, and functionally perfect in every way! Bad people only exist on the conservative side of U.S. politics!"
Fuck maga, and all that, but this is a pretty fucking brain-dead take.
Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Ok, how do we do this. PS I'm a white male
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
To be fair media advertizes republicans as the truck drivers or warehouse workers, and progressives as the artists or the tech CEOs; expect some right-leaning immigrants at first.
alina@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 195d