I call them the Epstein Class. It's not just this administration, or even one party, or even just politicians in general. It is the global elite and their unjust system of exploitation called capitalism that has allowed Trump to do what he does with no consequences. As long as the Epstein Class exists, there will be more Epsteins.
Think Epstein's network crossed economic ideological boundaries. Noam Chomsky considered Epstein a good friend while simultaneously being a staunch critic of capitalism. There are signs of being connected to the USSR, China, North Korea, .... If Epstein connected with fame or power, it didn't matter what 'system' was in play.
Yeah unfortunately some people who were ostensibly on the side of the working class were also caught up with Epstein. There are evil people on every side. I'm not surprised by connections between Epstein and USSR/China/DKP. Epstein was primarily an asset of Mossad and the CIA, who used him to generate kompromat. Would you not expect that entities that are aligned against the western hegemony of the Epstein Class to try to gain access to the blackmail factory? Or it could also just be that they were all pedophiles, too. I don't know.
None of this changes the fact that the reason no one truly powerful ever faces consequences for things like Epstein or the Panama Papers is that the political-economic system is designed by the ruling class to benefit those few people lucky enough to own capital. Wealth = Power.
I like the Iranian ministers, they just casually walk with their people in the middle of a war and have the balls to call these guys out in front of everyone.
We murder ours for not putting out, and our information about other parts of the world is largely curated by a fascist regime. Let's please not forget that
There doesn't have to be a good guy in this story. It is perfectly plausible for this entire mess to be driven solely by villains while the innocents, who have no control over any of it, be its victims.
Yeah I don't get why people are choosing sides when the sides are a Pedo-fascist regime and a theocratic dictatorship. This war is stupid af, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the Iranian regime collapses due to it.
R.I.P. to the innocent Civilians caught in the crossfire.
It's usually "worse guys" saying "NO WE'RE NOT THAT BAD THE OTHER GUY IS EVEN WORSE THEY RAPED BABIES ON THE 7TH OF OCTOBER/KILLD!!!! THEY DESERVED IT"
I kinda default to "underdog=good guy" in these situations. The people with trillions of dollars reaching across the globe to grub for more are typically in the wrong.
Yeah, let's also not forget a US regime change is why Iran has the government it does. We didn't like it when their more secular government took control of their oil.
Didn't the FBI already say shit about bombing California?
Given every accusation is a confession with the GoP I immediately figured they were going to do it themselves and blame Iran. And that California was chosen to try to scare it into line, much like other blue states have been targeted by the current administration.
That particular archive site is shit. I can do the captcha 10 times and it won't load the site. Additionally, I believe their captcha page is used to ddos Wikipedia.
that's why I have no doubt that any attack in the US will be done by the US.
my point being, that by being that sloppy and untrustworthy, even is Iran did commit an attack, everyone will believe it was the US. not saying they will. just that the US government is fucked either way
Honestly that might be something that could actually incite real rebellion by state governments and another civil war - the federal government carrying out a false flag so ham-handedly that it’s brutally fucking obvious that it’s a false flag.
like he cares. unless the military/police turns on him, he can quell any rebellion and keep the grift going.
tf do you think was the point of militarizing the police, turning ICE into the 4th largest military in America, and building massive concentration camps?
Is there a geographical reason to target California? Because, if anything, I imagine Texas would be the bigger target. California opposes Trump, Texas does not. Why would Iran want to target the enemy of its own enemy?
do you think there are "good"states and"bad states"?
they are all the same, we started a war, and attacked civilian centers, we set the terms of engagement. random Californians are targets thanks to trump
Random Californians were put at risk thanks to Trump, obviously. I wouldn’t dare argue otherwise. My point has more to do with what I imagine the strategy of a state like Iran would be. I think your point stands, if the offensive were coming from China. Do you think Iran believes they’d stand a chance at accomplishing anything via an assault on US soil? If it were to happen at all, which I already believe to be quite unlikely, then I can only really accept it would happen with political precision. Iran would, if they were smart, try not to give Californians a reason to change their position on the war.
do you think there are "good"states and"bad states"?
Yeah, I do. There are states that are gerrymandered to hell, propagandized to hell, and serve the interests of a very small and damaging minority. That minority includes Trump and his enablers. You alternatively have the equally shit alternative states, and yeah… I picked that side.
in WW2, was there a distinction on which parts of Germany were more or less in favour of Hitler? When we carpet bombed Cambodia, did we looked into the regional polls? when we bombed Teheran, do they look at which neighbours and school girls were more or less in favour of the regime? When we endorsed a genocide in Gaza, did we ask to only target certain neighbours based on polls?
This "In hope they spare the blue states" is such an unimaginably entitled statement. Sounds like "But I am one of the good guys!!!"
No, the US has a long imperialist career of wars of aggressions and war crimes. You have personally benefited from them by having low fuel costs, you are not innocent, you might not have consented to this, but you are part of it, your taxes paid for it. If anything the US is the nation that need to be liberated.
This is such an annoying reply that I see everywhere. Yes, you need to treat a disease, but sometimes a single symptom can be the most threatening part of a disease.
If I'm having a heart attack, I don't need a diatribe about diet and exercise to fix the disease, I need CPR to fix the symptom.
He may just be a symptom of a greater problem, but he's a pretty big fucking problem by himself.
Well said. I don't get the impulse for people to be like "there is no solution here. Trump gone won't change anything" which is just stupid. Yes there is a huge systemic problem.. but your metaphor here works well to explain why the take of the other person is not helpful.
All of it is helpful. This is just public discourse, and it’s important that we don’t become one dimensional in our understandings. Nobody here is going to make an argument so precise and well done that it’ll motivate any one of us to go to the local gun store and start target practice. Helpful in this context is being wise, flexible, understanding, … don’t let yourself become distracted, predictable, or blind.
what's the difference? the orange pedophile couldn't care less about public opinion and it's clear by now Americans will not mount an opposition of any significance at this point
Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that's what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.
Nah, we’ll still be able to tell. Effective, strategic, hits people of all walks of life? Iran. Bungled, half-assed, and happens in a blue city, in a community of color, at a gay bar… you know.
What dimension of chess are we now playing? 6D? 7D? Shit’s going to start blowing up and 1/3 of the people will be claiming it, 1/3 blaming it, and 1/3 lying about it, when in fact it was a laptop battery that overheated.
You mean like that “potential drone strike attempt” in California that the FBI said Iran might try to do? Despite it being unlikely that Iran has drones capable of striking California?
Haha, yeah. I saw that too and pondered at the veracity of that claim. If Iran has drones that can fly across the Indian and Pacific Oceans and still hit a target, damn, that’s a helluva technological leap.
A head's up, totally feasible. A drone strike can be launched from a boat, a box truck, a garage, anywhere you can have an operator to control it.
I'm not saying that this particular threat was a real problem, but personally I do not understand how the US has not been hit yet. Why is Iran not even bothering?
Because historically, the only two times the USA was actually attacked on USA soil, we retaliated with an unreasonable amount of force. Sure we didn’t nuke anyone after 9/11, but we did after Pearl Harbor and Trump is absolutely demented and egotistical enough to actually try to nuke a country that directly attacks the USA. Plus, attacking Iran is pretty unpopular in the USA because people can tell that we are doing this at the behest of Israel, and they don’t want American soldiers to die fighting Israel’s war (obviously some Americans are fine with this tho bc zionists are loyal to Israel above all else). If Iran attacks the USA directly then suddenly attacking Iran will be wildly popular in the USA, which will mean an even longer and more brutal conflict is guaranteed
I agree that it totally makes sense if Iran attacks the USA. It’s not good (war never is), but it makes sense. However, most Americans don’t think like this. They’ll suddenly feel an ounce of the fear that we’ve made other people across the world feel and instead of reflecting on why this happened and that it’s the consequences of the USA’s actions, they’ll get angry and go full scorched earth. Just like people did with 9/11. People still use that as “justification” for terrorizing the entire Middle East
We have sonar so good we can find a dead billionaire at the bottom of the sea. Ain't no way they get a boat with a drone in range without us letting it happen.
Only that the Trumpets do have pretty plausible deniability if there is no clear and blatant evidence it's a false flag, as nobody would believe the dumbasses in the US Admin were competent enough to pull off a successful false flag.
It's your race if you think that is meant to be read literally.
You however think brown people want to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds. Gullible idiot.
Quote anything that I've ever said that even implies that.
The US is bombing Iran, and so expecting Iran to attack US targets is not racist, it is an accurate description of the world where Iran is attacking US targets.
Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that’s what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.
what makes you think iran want to blow up civilians? you guys do that. Quit projecting yourself as the victim
Nobody does false flag attacks like the US. One must just assume that if something like that happens it was fully planned and deployed by the Burger admin, that's always the most probable scenario.
Honestly, they're very refined today compared to the Americans (the empire isn't what it used to be) when it comes to precise, covert operations, you might be right.
Like the fake assassination attempt on Trump during the 2024 presidential election where he wore a bandaid for 3 weeks then took it off because he was bored of it?
I find this claim I just read in a headline more credible than any of the claims released by the Epstein network because I feel like that's pretty fucking obvious they're either trying to provoke an attack or make a false flag look more believable.
Just a friendly reminder that this happened a few weeks ago:
He'd do it if he wants to restart the draft for troops on the ground.
That being said, I don't think it would acrually work that well and could easily backfire within the US. At the very least he would need heavy congressional support.
If there's a 9/11 style event before 2028, it will open the door for Donald to became a true dictator, and even better, the American people will line up behind him and support it. (As evidenced by Dubya getting reelected after all the dictator shit he did post-9/11.)
It'll have to be soon. He's sundowning hard lately, and it won't be much longer before he won't even be able to get through a speech even with a teleprompter.
You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth. I don’t think they give a crap which flimsy excuse they need to use to cause terror on nations across the planet. They love war and terror, all to a degree
You fucking wish, Thats like saying a toddler is more dangerous than his dad.
That’s another thing you colonist love, to pass the blame and point the finger at others to make yourselves look less guilty.
I don't like Trump or the war either but this is literally just propaganda. I trust Iran as much as I trust Trump. Not at all. Foreign authoritarians are not somehow more trustworthy than domestic ones. The phrase "the Epstein Network" is just an attempt to anchor this into domestic political controversies.
Bluntly Trump doesn't care about public opinion about this war enough to do this or the lead in to this war would have looked much more like Iraq
Making an arbitrary and artificial connection with another country is more of an insight into you then it is a useful observation.
It’s like saying coal miners from West Virginia sound weirdly like coal miners from Turkmenistan - they both have black lung so it would be weird if they didn’t.
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HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social · 245 pts · 179d
I do like the idea of calling the current US government the "Epstein Network".
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 179d
I call them the Epstein Class. It's not just this administration, or even one party, or even just politicians in general. It is the global elite and their unjust system of exploitation called capitalism that has allowed Trump to do what he does with no consequences. As long as the Epstein Class exists, there will be more Epsteins.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 179d
Think Epstein's network crossed economic ideological boundaries. Noam Chomsky considered Epstein a good friend while simultaneously being a staunch critic of capitalism. There are signs of being connected to the USSR, China, North Korea, .... If Epstein connected with fame or power, it didn't matter what 'system' was in play.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 179d
Yeah unfortunately some people who were ostensibly on the side of the working class were also caught up with Epstein. There are evil people on every side. I'm not surprised by connections between Epstein and USSR/China/DKP. Epstein was primarily an asset of Mossad and the CIA, who used him to generate kompromat. Would you not expect that entities that are aligned against the western hegemony of the Epstein Class to try to gain access to the blackmail factory? Or it could also just be that they were all pedophiles, too. I don't know.
None of this changes the fact that the reason no one truly powerful ever faces consequences for things like Epstein or the Panama Papers is that the political-economic system is designed by the ruling class to benefit those few people lucky enough to own capital. Wealth = Power.
jellygoose@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 178d
Chomsky the Russian apologist?
toad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 178d
Chomsky only re-wrote theory available elsewhere. Wouldn't surprise me if he was a plant all along.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 177d
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 177d
Tell me one thing he said about politics that wasn't said by somebody else before him.
Not talking about his linguistic work, I'm not a linguist, but his radical ideas about politics? The mossad needed some woke cred.
insomnia_sufferer@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 179d
I like the Iranian ministers, they just casually walk with their people in the middle of a war and have the balls to call these guys out in front of everyone.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 179d
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 179d
We murder ours for not putting out, and our information about other parts of the world is largely curated by a fascist regime. Let's please not forget that
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 179d
There doesn't have to be a good guy in this story. It is perfectly plausible for this entire mess to be driven solely by villains while the innocents, who have no control over any of it, be its victims.
mrbutterscotch@feddit.org · 26 pts · 179d
Yeah I don't get why people are choosing sides when the sides are a Pedo-fascist regime and a theocratic dictatorship. This war is stupid af, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the Iranian regime collapses due to it.
R.I.P. to the innocent Civilians caught in the crossfire.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 179d
The best move is to not play.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 179d
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 179d
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toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 178d
It's like with gaza vs israel. Palestinians are very bad and deserved it, according to the israeli.
How naive can you be
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 179d
That is pretty much true throughout all of history. You almost never have "good guys"; it's usually "bad guys" versus "worse guys."
toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 178d
It's usually "worse guys" saying "NO WE'RE NOT THAT BAD THE OTHER GUY IS EVEN WORSE THEY RAPED BABIES ON THE 7TH OF OCTOBER/KILLD!!!! THEY DESERVED IT"
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · -5 pts · 179d
I kinda default to "underdog=good guy" in these situations. The people with trillions of dollars reaching across the globe to grub for more are typically in the wrong.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 5 pts · 179d
Yeah, let's also not forget a US regime change is why Iran has the government it does. We didn't like it when their more secular government took control of their oil.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d
And we murder transwomen for using a public restroom.
Let's please not forget that.
toad@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 178d
According to the US and Israel, Iran is very bad.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 2 pts · 177d
Why not replace “Deep State” with “Epstein State”?
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 179d
I like to call them the washington regime, but I accept this as well.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 77 pts · 179d
Tbh pushing this narrative far and wide is going to do a LOT to defang the impact of any sort of false flag bullshit the orange regime might attempt.
IlmariGanander@lemmy.wtf · 37 pts · 179d
Didn't the FBI already say shit about bombing California?
Given every accusation is a confession with the GoP I immediately figured they were going to do it themselves and blame Iran. And that California was chosen to try to scare it into line, much like other blue states have been targeted by the current administration.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 179d
Wait, they did? You got a source?
Edit: ok yeah I remember this. I thought it smelled to high heaven initially. Fact check report https://archive.is/2026.03.13-151616/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fbi-california-iran-drone-strikes/
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 179d
That particular archive site is shit. I can do the captcha 10 times and it won't load the site. Additionally, I believe their captcha page is used to ddos Wikipedia.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 179d
not to put an extra tin foil on my tin foil hat.
but now, given the US government, even if Iran did perpetrate a 9/11 style attack. I will assume it was a false flag attack by the US.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 179d
It’s not tin foil hatty.
Kash fucking Patel was told to gut the team at the FBI responsible for identifying and tracking threats originating from Iran right before we started shooting things at them. That’s as close to a false-flag setup as you can get without actually just doing it yourself.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 179d
that's why I have no doubt that any attack in the US will be done by the US.
my point being, that by being that sloppy and untrustworthy, even is Iran did commit an attack, everyone will believe it was the US. not saying they will. just that the US government is fucked either way
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 179d
Honestly that might be something that could actually incite real rebellion by state governments and another civil war - the federal government carrying out a false flag so ham-handedly that it’s brutally fucking obvious that it’s a false flag.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 179d
unless it's near the midterms, and they will be cancelled for some "national security"/ "emergency crisis" reason or bullshit.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 179d
Which, again, could incite actual rebellion. That’s never been done. Even during either world war. Even during the Civil War.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d
We had elections during the War of 1812 as well.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 179d
like he cares. unless the military/police turns on him, he can quell any rebellion and keep the grift going.
tf do you think was the point of militarizing the police, turning ICE into the 4th largest military in America, and building massive concentration camps?
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 179d
Is there a geographical reason to target California? Because, if anything, I imagine Texas would be the bigger target. California opposes Trump, Texas does not. Why would Iran want to target the enemy of its own enemy?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
do you think there are "good"states and"bad states"?
they are all the same, we started a war, and attacked civilian centers, we set the terms of engagement. random Californians are targets thanks to trump
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 179d
Random Californians were put at risk thanks to Trump, obviously. I wouldn’t dare argue otherwise. My point has more to do with what I imagine the strategy of a state like Iran would be. I think your point stands, if the offensive were coming from China. Do you think Iran believes they’d stand a chance at accomplishing anything via an assault on US soil? If it were to happen at all, which I already believe to be quite unlikely, then I can only really accept it would happen with political precision. Iran would, if they were smart, try not to give Californians a reason to change their position on the war.
Yeah, I do. There are states that are gerrymandered to hell, propagandized to hell, and serve the interests of a very small and damaging minority. That minority includes Trump and his enablers. You alternatively have the equally shit alternative states, and yeah… I picked that side.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
in WW2, was there a distinction on which parts of Germany were more or less in favour of Hitler? When we carpet bombed Cambodia, did we looked into the regional polls? when we bombed Teheran, do they look at which neighbours and school girls were more or less in favour of the regime? When we endorsed a genocide in Gaza, did we ask to only target certain neighbours based on polls?
This "In hope they spare the blue states" is such an unimaginably entitled statement. Sounds like "But I am one of the good guys!!!"
No, the US has a long imperialist career of wars of aggressions and war crimes. You have personally benefited from them by having low fuel costs, you are not innocent, you might not have consented to this, but you are part of it, your taxes paid for it. If anything the US is the nation that need to be liberated.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 179d
That just means they’ll have to make it so big that it literally shocks the U.S. into believing they’re dealing with an existential threat.
You know all that uranium you keep hearing about on the news…
HalfAFrisbee@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 179d
We are facing an existential threat, that threat is Trump.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 179d
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 179d
This is such an annoying reply that I see everywhere. Yes, you need to treat a disease, but sometimes a single symptom can be the most threatening part of a disease.
If I'm having a heart attack, I don't need a diatribe about diet and exercise to fix the disease, I need CPR to fix the symptom.
He may just be a symptom of a greater problem, but he's a pretty big fucking problem by himself.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 179d
Well said. I don't get the impulse for people to be like "there is no solution here. Trump gone won't change anything" which is just stupid. Yes there is a huge systemic problem.. but your metaphor here works well to explain why the take of the other person is not helpful.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 179d
All of it is helpful. This is just public discourse, and it’s important that we don’t become one dimensional in our understandings. Nobody here is going to make an argument so precise and well done that it’ll motivate any one of us to go to the local gun store and start target practice. Helpful in this context is being wise, flexible, understanding, … don’t let yourself become distracted, predictable, or blind.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 179d
I agree with you for the most part, but if your words are easily taken as "it's hopeless" that is not good.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 179d
Yeah, well, you don’t take care of yourself after a heart attack, eventually you’re gonna die from one. We’ve had several heart attacks.
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 179d
I don't know, he's pretty diseasey
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 179d
Pot que no los dos?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
And yet he is the worst president in history. Are we to give up because the corrupt system and idiotic public, both of which give him power, exists?
Jhex@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
what's the difference? the orange pedophile couldn't care less about public opinion and it's clear by now Americans will not mount an opposition of any significance at this point
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
Probably to change Europes minds on joining the war.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 179d
I give Europeans more credit than that...
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
Right but not this administration to try it and think it'll work.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 72 pts · 179d
Normally I would dismiss this as stupid propaganda. Now I am considering it to be an incredulous reality. 😒
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 179d
Who would stop the CIA from dressing 3 brown operatives in turbans, blowing up a building, and then blaming Iran?
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 179d
Don't be silly, they'll put one in a dress and try to claim they're trans
Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 179d
We need to keep our children safe from those Transiranians
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
I hear the Transylvanians are worse!
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 179d
This is so well played!
Now Iran can attempt an attack almost openly on the US soil and many will believe it was an inside job. Well, that's what happens when you have 0 credibility at home due to your compulsive need to say BS all the time.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 179d
Nah, we’ll still be able to tell. Effective, strategic, hits people of all walks of life? Iran. Bungled, half-assed, and happens in a blue city, in a community of color, at a gay bar… you know.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 179d
So Iran just has to do it all bungled and half-assed and we'll never suspect it was them!
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 179d
What dimension of chess are we now playing? 6D? 7D? Shit’s going to start blowing up and 1/3 of the people will be claiming it, 1/3 blaming it, and 1/3 lying about it, when in fact it was a laptop battery that overheated.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe · 14 pts · 179d
You mean like that “potential drone strike attempt” in California that the FBI said Iran might try to do? Despite it being unlikely that Iran has drones capable of striking California?
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 179d
Haha, yeah. I saw that too and pondered at the veracity of that claim. If Iran has drones that can fly across the Indian and Pacific Oceans and still hit a target, damn, that’s a helluva technological leap.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 179d
yeah if iran can get a drone to california i'm more impressed with their drone than their payload
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
A head's up, totally feasible. A drone strike can be launched from a boat, a box truck, a garage, anywhere you can have an operator to control it.
I'm not saying that this particular threat was a real problem, but personally I do not understand how the US has not been hit yet. Why is Iran not even bothering?
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe · 9 pts · 179d
Because historically, the only two times the USA was actually attacked on USA soil, we retaliated with an unreasonable amount of force. Sure we didn’t nuke anyone after 9/11, but we did after Pearl Harbor and Trump is absolutely demented and egotistical enough to actually try to nuke a country that directly attacks the USA. Plus, attacking Iran is pretty unpopular in the USA because people can tell that we are doing this at the behest of Israel, and they don’t want American soldiers to die fighting Israel’s war (obviously some Americans are fine with this tho bc zionists are loyal to Israel above all else). If Iran attacks the USA directly then suddenly attacking Iran will be wildly popular in the USA, which will mean an even longer and more brutal conflict is guaranteed
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 178d
If Iran attacks us, how can we even be mad? If we want to stop it, we need to change at home. It's our fault.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 178d
I agree that it totally makes sense if Iran attacks the USA. It’s not good (war never is), but it makes sense. However, most Americans don’t think like this. They’ll suddenly feel an ounce of the fear that we’ve made other people across the world feel and instead of reflecting on why this happened and that it’s the consequences of the USA’s actions, they’ll get angry and go full scorched earth. Just like people did with 9/11. People still use that as “justification” for terrorizing the entire Middle East
zbyte64@awful.systems · 5 pts · 179d
We have sonar so good we can find a dead billionaire at the bottom of the sea. Ain't no way they get a boat with a drone in range without us letting it happen.
toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 178d
Because they're not terrorists.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 178d
Even they admit they are terrorists. Constantly
toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 177d
You're terrorized the genocide could stop don't ya
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d
They don't have to launch direct attacks, as already there are sympathizers who could come out of nowhere.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 178d
Cletus at home in Arkansas doesn't care about justice, he just wants freedom fries and lifted trucks
The chumps that voted for this weren't smart enough to spot evil in 2024, and they aren't now either
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d
Boy who cried wolf lookin ahh
Birch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 179d
Only that the Trumpets do have pretty plausible deniability if there is no clear and blatant evidence it's a false flag, as nobody would believe the dumbasses in the US Admin were competent enough to pull off a successful false flag.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 178d
I'm already convinced that the guys removed from the flights were false flags. So they had bombs and then got arrested without detonating? My ass...
toad@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 178d
lmao you still think brown people are the terrorists?
I swear some people are unredeemable.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d
This is an ironic statement.
toad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 177d
Said the racist
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d
Yeah, you got me.
I'm racist against idiot.
toad@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 177d
That's not a race.
You however think brown people want to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds. Gullible idiot.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 177d
It's your race if you think that is meant to be read literally.
Quote anything that I've ever said that even implies that.
The US is bombing Iran, and so expecting Iran to attack US targets is not racist, it is an accurate description of the world where Iran is attacking US targets.
toad@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 177d
what makes you think iran want to blow up civilians? you guys do that. Quit projecting yourself as the victim
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 179d
Nobody does false flag attacks like the US. One must just assume that if something like that happens it was fully planned and deployed by the Burger admin, that's always the most probable scenario.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 25 pts · 179d
Nah Israel is definitely the king of false flags.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 179d
Honestly, they're very refined today compared to the Americans (the empire isn't what it used to be) when it comes to precise, covert operations, you might be right.
ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 179d
Unfortunately there are millions of idiots who will eat it up.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 179d
Like the fake assassination attempt on Trump during the 2024 presidential election where he wore a bandaid for 3 weeks then took it off because he was bored of it?
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 179d
Well it was a real assassination attempt. They really killed that firefighter.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · -3 pts · 179d
False flag and the firefighter was a actor.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 179d
I find this claim I just read in a headline more credible than any of the claims released by the Epstein network because I feel like that's pretty fucking obvious they're either trying to provoke an attack or make a false flag look more believable.
Just a friendly reminder that this happened a few weeks ago:
European police agencies said on Friday that 22 people had been identified as being part of attacks involving a series of exploding parcels in Europe in 2024, which the Russian military intelligence service was suspected of being behind...Explosions occurred in courier depots in Britain, Germany and Poland with security officials suggesting they were part of a test run for a Russian plot to trigger explosions on cargo flights to the United States.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 179d
...
... The world has gone very wrong when this doesn't even sound so unbelievable. I only see one issue:
So far the US seems to have given up trying to make pretext for anything. Trump can do anything he wants and be worshipped for it.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 10 pts · 179d
He still has to manufacture consent, and blaming the brown people for random bombings is the classic way. It's not just unbelievable, it will happen.
mlg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
He'd do it if he wants to restart the draft for troops on the ground.
That being said, I don't think it would acrually work that well and could easily backfire within the US. At the very least he would need heavy congressional support.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 178d
It wouldn't work well. I'm old as fuck but most Americans are flat out not doing it. This is not Vietnam.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 179d
The Epstein Network
immobile7801@piefed.social · 22 pts · 178d
Bbc is now reporting that Iran says this person is dead https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2lr40g17kt
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 178d
Trump started a war to protect himself and his epstein buddies. Nothing is off the table. Human life is cheap for these unfeeling creeps.
rayyy@piefed.social · 12 pts · 179d
Well, how else is the pedo felon going to justify imposing martial law to avoid the bloodbath midterms?
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 179d
I can't wait for this administration to bungle even this
AmazingSUPERG@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 179d
Wow! In my feed 17min ago it was announced the security chief was killed by an Israeli airstrike. Lemmy moves fast!
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 179d
I honestly think this is part of the plan.
If there's a 9/11 style event before 2028, it will open the door for Donald to became a true dictator, and even better, the American people will line up behind him and support it. (As evidenced by Dubya getting reelected after all the dictator shit he did post-9/11.)
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 179d
It'll have to be soon. He's sundowning hard lately, and it won't be much longer before he won't even be able to get through a speech even with a teleprompter.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 179d
You're not wrong. That's almost certainly, in part, a driving factor behind the urgency of starting these wars now.
Tja@programming.dev · 8 pts · 178d
CIA searching eBay for a copy of "Sims 3" right now.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 178d
Yeah, we all assumed that when the military drones went missing.
redsand@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 179d
It'll be an oil refinery if they're smart and the power grid if they aren't. Telegraph everything
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 179d
You’re talking about America, the biggest terrorist/genocide state on earth. I don’t think they give a crap which flimsy excuse they need to use to cause terror on nations across the planet. They love war and terror, all to a degree
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 179d
Second biggest, israel takes the top place.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 178d
You fucking wish, Thats like saying a toddler is more dangerous than his dad. That’s another thing you colonist love, to pass the blame and point the finger at others to make yourselves look less guilty.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 178d
Wrong target, try harder.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 179d
Breaking news. The exact thing you expected to happen will happen.
remon@ani.social · -5 pts · 179d
Well, if you're gonna get blamed anyway, might as well do it ...
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 179d
I don't like Trump or the war either but this is literally just propaganda. I trust Iran as much as I trust Trump. Not at all. Foreign authoritarians are not somehow more trustworthy than domestic ones. The phrase "the Epstein Network" is just an attempt to anchor this into domestic political controversies.
Bluntly Trump doesn't care about public opinion about this war enough to do this or the lead in to this war would have looked much more like Iraq
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 179d
But he does care about rigging elections and would love a reason to attempt to suspend elections.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 178d
At least Iran is not in the Epstein Files.
الله@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 179d
not saying i agree with Iran/America, but any one else notices that Iran and lemmy/reddit users have a lot of common talking points and interests?
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 179d
Have you noticed how almost everybody agrees that the sun rises to the east? Curious.
mlg@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 179d
Did you change your username or did you have to make a new account lol?
Too lazy to check, but I swear I saw your alt user with the same name in english just a few days ago
arrrse@piefed.social · 5 pts · 179d
grte@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 179d
What interests are you getting at?
الله@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 179d
Anti-establishmnt, they started in late 2023 when biden was still in power, but they still are even under trump.
deacon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 179d
Hi, have you seen our establishment recently?
Making an arbitrary and artificial connection with another country is more of an insight into you then it is a useful observation.
It’s like saying coal miners from West Virginia sound weirdly like coal miners from Turkmenistan - they both have black lung so it would be weird if they didn’t.
الله@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 178d
that' the thing, they have been doing this before trump, (under biden as well)
jim_v@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
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