And then they wonder why everyone is fixing the hulls of their ships and getting new sails.
Edit: whats family plan these days? 20€/month? My local record shop has new albums for 20€. I'd guess you can find a lot of good stuff on sale for 10€. So might as well buy an album or two per month. In a year you'd already have 12-24 albums. You can make a decent playlist out of those. Do that for a few years and you have a excellent music collection that lasts decades. Spotify is stupid and pointless if you really think about it.
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
A music collection on a VPS hosting a Jellyfin with accounts for your family and friends is a joy forever for all your family and friends (as long as you pay the hosting fees)
I've been saying that for years. Now I have about 250 albums drm-free on Bandcamp. A good chunk of that money went to the people making the music, too.
I know there are people out there paying a subscription to Spotify who listen to the same dozen albums over and over, too.
Yup exactly. Since I still pirate, I haven't bought albums very actively, only here and there but I have about 120-130 albums in my shelf.
I have a friend who uses spotify, he has connected it to Last.fm. I once checked and he's been scrobbling since 2016... he has 80 unique albums on the list there. Seems like a waste of money, but hey, at least its not my money.
1.: I divide the payment of Family across 3 members.
2.: I listen to so many songs individually, it would bankrupt me to buy every single song individually or the full album.
3.: I'll buy an album (2nd hand discogs (so good)/ebay, digitally on wherever or bandcamp). If I don't like the music as much or the buying process is annoying, I'll pirate the song.
Well, not really. I've discovered a ton of music in the past couple years I never would have bought or even had access to, without streaming. But Spotify does suck, I much prefer YouTube Music, which comes with Premium.
I should really learn to not make these sort of ultimatum type statements.
Of course there's some good things about it. But I've never been a spotify user, I've discovered a whole lot of stuff through things like last.fm, youtube and just music themed internet forums and IRC etc. So I wont argue that you can't find stuff through spotify, but I'll say that there are other ways to discover things, making spotify not necessary but helpful in that regard.
Likewise. I've been putting off setting up a Soulseek+Navidrome stack on my home server. I'm sure there's a way to integrate ListenBrainz suggestions too. First ad I hear, I'm doing it.
I use Navidrome and scrobble to ListenBrainz and Last.fm for suggestions. I've recently learnt about Sonobarr but haven't tried it yet.
It's not as seamless as playing a song/artist station on spotify or just letting it decide what to continue with at the end of a playlist, but it's also free (in both ways!).
I'm using Tidal, but i can't say i really like it. They seem to randomly decide what songs and artists are not available, and their search function is really bad.
I used Tidal for a few months, then found out it had silently removed ~10% of my music from my “liked” list. Completely unacceptable. They should at least keep a list of titles so I can go back and fix it. People say all services do this, but I’ve been keeping an eye on it and Spotify hasn’t done it since I hopped back.
Qobuz was painful to use and new music discovery was hopeless. No idea if they were removing tracks too.
Bandcamp seems cool, but I prefer to listen to music via song-based-radios, so that’s a no go.
Not sure what I’ll do if I have to drop Spotify again over ads.
That's not up to the streaming service but the record company.
That doesn't really matter for the end user as they're in a relationship with the streamer not the record companies. I hate this drive to obfuscate responsibility in corporate America.
Qobuz and Deezer are French, Tidal was originally Norwegian, Spotify was originally Swedish and record companies are from all over the world.
If record companies make exclusive deals with platforms for some releases and pull distribution for others, then blaming the streaming services excluded is just plain fucking stupid.
I posted this when Youtube was doing it by 'mistake' too...
If you are paying to not receive ads, and you receive an ad by mistake, they should pay you whatever they earned on the ad. Now... I doubt they'll actually pay you dollars, but lets say at minimum 1 day of free extended service per ad, but if they earn more than 1 days worth via the ad, then it should be whatever that is.
Love hearing about products and services as I'm listening to my podcast about genocides and warcrimes. Mustard gas really gets me in the mood Blue Apron.
TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
That can still happen and happens to me too, despite using a no-ad FOSS player, so the ads are definitely from the podcast, not the player.
Dynamic ad insertion is absolutely a thing in podcasts. If you access/download the MP3 file on the server from a German IP address, a German ad will be put in at the specified ad break before you/your player downloads the file.
So a different language ad doesn't mean it's from Spotify.
(PS: By the way, using a VPN connected to a country where not many companies make podcast ads works basically like a podcast ad blocker. I route my podcast player through an Albania VPN and have like 80% less ads than before. The remainder is "classic" podcast ads that are inserted as a static part of the MP3 file, no way to get rid of those.)
No.
It was literally an ad break done into the stream.
The WAN show does not speak German. And they have their own sponsor section. So no way for anyone other than the creator deciding to insert a ad-break during upload of an episode (or getting it suggested by Spotify).
This is assumedly exactly as YT does it.
Yeah I get that but the way I experienced it is that ads can appear in a podcast in any of the following three instances:
Podcaster themselves record the podcast, may or may not add advertisement (self-spoken in their language)
Podcast network which the podcaster is a member of adds ad break time codes, in which later ads are inserted, dynamically based on the listener's location (pre-spoken, usually in the local language of the listener's location, sometimes personalized)
The podcast player/platform (Spotify, Pocket casts, antennapod etc) adds advertisements (also pre-spoken and in local or app language, more often personalized)
The podcast player's ads can not be distinguished from the podcast network's ads, except that they have a higher tendency for personalized ads (given that personalization is enabled in the privacy settings) or if the player declares it as an advertisement in a place where the podcast can't. Or if you know that a podcast is on an ad free network. Other than that, you don't really know if it's an ad by Spotify or the podcast's network.
My point is that, unless your player is explicitly declaring an ad as such, you cannot diatinguish a podcast network's ad from a player ad. The only proof I have to know it's a network's ad in my case is that my player is open source and ad free. If I used a closed source commercial player, I wouldn't know from who the ad is coming when it's in my local language.
I'm German too and got German ads on english podcasts, but I know that the player didn't insert it, so you can never be too sure if it's Spotify adding them either.
They do serve ads on podcasts. Not all of them though. It used to be that they were separate, so that you were shown a different "now playing" screen. I first noticed when it happened on otherwise ad free shows, like Lateral. Not sure if that's the case now? Some of the podcasts I listen to jump in length from the episode list to the "now playing" screen, which is weird. Don't know if it's because injected ads or not though, or if they're even from Spotify. I haven't seen those ads that are on a new "now playing" screen in a while.
I used to use Spotify but got sick of their recommendations. Vastly different genre playlists would still get top100 songs recommended. Sabrina Carpenter in all my playlists.
I moved to Pandora, their recommendation engine is way less biased. Fewer features in the app, tho
Back when I was on spotify I listened to premade playlists very rarely since I pretty much always knew what I wanted to listen to and because I'm very picky. The "This is [x] playlists were pretty good though
Song-based radios for new music discovery on a service where they don’t silently drop huge swaths of music from my curated “liked” list. Tidal, Qobuz, and Bandcamp failed to meet this requirement in different ways.
Spotify isn’t even good, but I don’t have another real option yet.
I would have to go and download an ad, and then upload it, and then select it from new additions in order to hear an ad on Plexamp.
But the subscription model is the framework for fuckery here.
It wasn’t long ago that subscribing to something, implied a consistent (usually periodical) delivery of actual goods or services that were in some way distinct from the previous periods good or services. Issue #33 is different from #32. March’s soup of the month is different than February’s.
And you could hold issue #33 in one hand and #32 in another hand and directly interact with two months worth of that subscription.
The tech bro idea of innovation is to get two revenue streams from each customer; keep us paying for the same thing over and over but never owning it, and sell our data to advertisers. The fact that they are also showing ads to subscribers is just dripping lemon juice in the paper cut because they can. They were already making money off that data.
Now I have a problem with this statement in a vacuum.
Zero: I am based in Germany. So not as many dystopian laws and decisions as in the USA
First: Yes, Spotify bad, Hooray Jellyfin, ripping CDs and owning the media you have. Also good for the artists.
Second: I had ads played to me. But it only happened on podcasts.
Third: I had talked to the Spotify support: https://imgur.com/a/Ulis7Oe
(TLDR: Podcast publishers (e.g. LTT with their WANshow or Dallas Taylor with 20 Thousand Hertz) can decide if they want to play ads. They happened to me inbetween episodes)
So yeah. Now it would be very interesting what this random person encountered where.
My wife and daughter had heard ads sparingly and they only listen to music. I assumed it was some sort of bug because it is very infrequent, but with today's corps I should probably invoke the inverse of Hanlon's Razor and just assume malice.
I've been using YT music anyway, but I recently started using my Navidrome server by just yt-dlp'ing albums + tag with MusicBrainz picard and boom. A bunch of songs I can own until my server burns down.
I feel a little bad about pirating, but I'm a college student who hasn't even gotten a job yet... But I will be buying merch or music off bandcamp in the future when I know I have the budget for it!
I will never give YT music money since they killed off Google Play Music (a far superior music app) to make it. I told them during the switchover the only way they would keep getting money from me was to not kill GPM, and so far, I've kept my word.
Just a heads up, Deezer has been working hard to improve their UI a great deal. It is so much less stressful to navigate than Spotify. Sound quality is also better to me. And not being forced to mix music with ad-infused podcasts is so very nice.
It’s why I cancelled SiriusXM a while back. I’m paying for the service so atop playing ads. And at the time it was like the same ad over and over. God it was infuriating.
I'm guessing it impacted some people for there to be a Hacker News (a fairly respectable news outlet) article about it. I was just listening earlier today and didn't have any ads. Same with my wife on her account (family plan).
Edit: wow, I'm a dumbass. Nevermind.
But yeah, I still haven't had any ads after listening all evening while cooking dinner and what kt.
Heads up, Hacker News is a social media site like here or reddit, it's not a news outlet. It's run by Y Combinator, a huge venture capital firm in the SF Bay area, and the users tend to be tech bros or aspiring ones. Many attach their user accounts to their github and professional identity. I think there's only one admin and they tend to be heavy handed.
I participate in the techtakes community on awful.systems, which is devoted to laughing at tech bro "takes". HN posts and comments are almost too easy as targets for derision and are common topics for meta-discussion of the reprehensible opinions.
I was just trying to have a light touch here. Start with the facts. We can talk about the literal cults spun off from it later.
The site's one of the clearest windows into the myriad and shockingly widespread ghoulish opinions that seem to fester in places that consider themselves important to the tech industry or attract people who think they are.
I really should start keeping a tally on shit like "how many times have I seen eugenics suggested on HN this month".
Confirmed by Spotify that it was a bug and has now been solved. It only applied to Basic users. Basic is the slightly cheaper version of Premium which doesn't include audio books.
I wish it was for me (truly I do), but I listen to most of my music in the car. It didn't buffer the next set of songs nearly as well as Spotify, so when I went through low signal areas the music just stopped playing. And the Android Auto app wasn't as good. The sound quality was minimally better, but not good enough to overcome the other issues.
It's like reddit for techbros that gush about the latest fads and startups. Not sure who owns it, but it's probably the worst venture capitalists. The moderation is very heavy against anyone that becomes even slightly politically aware.
YouTube does not do that, unless you’re referring to sponsorships which are mostly handled and organized and introduced to the viewer apart from YouTube’s meddling.
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HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 174 pts · 138d
And then they wonder why everyone is fixing the hulls of their ships and getting new sails.
Edit: whats family plan these days? 20€/month? My local record shop has new albums for 20€. I'd guess you can find a lot of good stuff on sale for 10€. So might as well buy an album or two per month. In a year you'd already have 12-24 albums. You can make a decent playlist out of those. Do that for a few years and you have a excellent music collection that lasts decades. Spotify is stupid and pointless if you really think about it.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 27 pts · 138d
Or self hosting their own Jellyfin
artyom@piefed.social · 5 pts · 138d
It's the same thing.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 9 pts · 138d
A music collection on your harddive is a joy for you personally for ever
A music collection on a VPS hosting a Jellyfin with accounts for your family and friends is a joy forever for all your family and friends (as long as you pay the hosting fees)
Damage@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 137d
As long as you take care of backups
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
The hard drive that I bought last year and need for backing up has doubled in price. $500 fucking for 22TB... I have no clue what to do now...
harmbugler@piefed.social · 4 pts · 137d
Some consolation that most if not all of your music is backed up on the internet.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 137d
Instead of paying monthly for a VPS you could get a mini PC from eBay for 100 dollars and host it yourself
jtrek@startrek.website · 20 pts · 138d
I've been saying that for years. Now I have about 250 albums drm-free on Bandcamp. A good chunk of that money went to the people making the music, too.
I know there are people out there paying a subscription to Spotify who listen to the same dozen albums over and over, too.
HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 5 pts · 137d
Yup exactly. Since I still pirate, I haven't bought albums very actively, only here and there but I have about 120-130 albums in my shelf. I have a friend who uses spotify, he has connected it to Last.fm. I once checked and he's been scrobbling since 2016... he has 80 unique albums on the list there. Seems like a waste of money, but hey, at least its not my money.
TAG@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
Remember, only shop on Bandcamp Fridays, when all the money goes to the artists. The corporate owners are not playing nice with the employee union.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 137d
1.: I divide the payment of Family across 3 members.
2.: I listen to so many songs individually, it would bankrupt me to buy every single song individually or the full album.
3.: I'll buy an album (2nd hand discogs (so good)/ebay, digitally on wherever or bandcamp). If I don't like the music as much or the buying process is annoying, I'll pirate the song.
So yeah. It depends.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
Yeah, but Spotify is and always has been a really poorly designed app. Google sucks in a lot of ways, but YouTube Music is a great platform.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 135d
Depends on how you use it.
I like it and it works for what I need from it.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Well, not really. I've discovered a ton of music in the past couple years I never would have bought or even had access to, without streaming. But Spotify does suck, I much prefer YouTube Music, which comes with Premium.
HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 1 pts · 136d
I should really learn to not make these sort of ultimatum type statements.
Of course there's some good things about it. But I've never been a spotify user, I've discovered a whole lot of stuff through things like last.fm, youtube and just music themed internet forums and IRC etc. So I wont argue that you can't find stuff through spotify, but I'll say that there are other ways to discover things, making spotify not necessary but helpful in that regard.
madcaesar@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 138d
The minute I have ads in my paid subscription it's a cancel
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 137d
Exactly why I canceled Amazon Prime. 100% would recommend canceling. I don’t miss it.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 138d
Likewise. I've been putting off setting up a Soulseek+Navidrome stack on my home server. I'm sure there's a way to integrate ListenBrainz suggestions too. First ad I hear, I'm doing it.
MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 138d
Soulseek for the win what is navidrome, i'm unfamiliar.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 138d
It's a self-hosted music streaming server. Basically a build-your-own-Spotify. Available as a Docker image.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 136d
Hell yeah, today is the day
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 137d
I think you can integrate lidarr into SoulSeek too.
Damage@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 137d
I use Navidrome and scrobble to ListenBrainz and Last.fm for suggestions. I've recently learnt about Sonobarr but haven't tried it yet.
It's not as seamless as playing a song/artist station on spotify or just letting it decide what to continue with at the end of a playlist, but it's also free (in both ways!).
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 137d
Thanks a lot for the tips!
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 137d
Can't talk about navidrome, but jellyfin has a listenbrainz plugin :)
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 137d
I use Jellyfin for video but it doesn't strike me as the best for audio...
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 119d
That's why I use Symfonium on my smartphone.
Or alternatively Finamp
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 119d
I started using Symfonium and I'm loving it. Only I set up Navidrome, not Jellyfin, as the server.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 136d
Yeah same here, I've been procrastinating while I gradually build my collection of mp3s/flacs, but the second I hear an ad on Spotify I'm done.
infinitevalence@discuss.online · 81 pts · 138d
I buy my music from the artists as directly as possible via Band Camp.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 138d
Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer.
uuj8za@piefed.social · 29 pts · 138d
Just recently signed up for Qobuz. I'm planning on purchasing albums as I go along so at least I'm left with something the day I decide to quit.
cenotaph@piefed.zip · 27 pts · 138d
Fun fact, there are tools to rip FLAC files of music you stream on qobuz so you can build up your music hoard
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 138d
I would prefer they just make their apps good.
But it’s kind of bizarre that daily/weekly playlists are only in app.
P1nkman@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 138d
And the radio function! They really should update their UI.
cenotaph@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 138d
I respect that, I personally prefer to prepare for the inevitable rugpull that ever software as a service company does
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 138d
Worst mobile app on the planet with SO many bugs, but dammit if they aren't a clean platform otherwise.
USSMojave@startrek.website · 1 pts · 138d
pieberry@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 137d
Deezer was playing ICE recruitment ads last year. I think it's important for people to know so they can make a more informed decision.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 5 pts · 137d
I'm using Tidal, but i can't say i really like it. They seem to randomly decide what songs and artists are not available, and their search function is really bad.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
I used Tidal for a few months, then found out it had silently removed ~10% of my music from my “liked” list. Completely unacceptable. They should at least keep a list of titles so I can go back and fix it. People say all services do this, but I’ve been keeping an eye on it and Spotify hasn’t done it since I hopped back.
Qobuz was painful to use and new music discovery was hopeless. No idea if they were removing tracks too.
Bandcamp seems cool, but I prefer to listen to music via song-based-radios, so that’s a no go.
Not sure what I’ll do if I have to drop Spotify again over ads.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
That's not up to the streaming service but the record company.
Personally I switched from Tidal to Qobuz this year and I like it much better.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 137d
That doesn't really matter for the end user as they're in a relationship with the streamer not the record companies. I hate this drive to obfuscate responsibility in corporate America.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
Dude, you are the one obfuscating.
Qobuz and Deezer are French, Tidal was originally Norwegian, Spotify was originally Swedish and record companies are from all over the world.
If record companies make exclusive deals with platforms for some releases and pull distribution for others, then blaming the streaming services excluded is just plain fucking stupid.
Custard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
Nicotine+, qmmp
XLE@piefed.social · 53 pts · 138d
I don't know if this makes it better or worse.
greenacres3233@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 138d
Worse. It makes it worse.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 137d
From HN comments:
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 137d
I posted this when Youtube was doing it by 'mistake' too...
If you are paying to not receive ads, and you receive an ad by mistake, they should pay you whatever they earned on the ad. Now... I doubt they'll actually pay you dollars, but lets say at minimum 1 day of free extended service per ad, but if they earn more than 1 days worth via the ad, then it should be whatever that is.
Brewchin@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 138d
It's telling of this era that it's impossible to initially know if this is corporate greed or vibe goonery.
So... intentional or unintentional enshittification, I guess. 😬
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 26 pts · 138d
I have heard this before from rando Reddit posts where it turns out they were listening to podcasts that just had the ads baked into the broadcast.
Fermion@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 137d
They still serve personalized ads in the podcasts. They aren't baked in.
null@lemmy.org · 8 pts · 138d
Love hearing about products and services as I'm listening to my podcast about genocides and warcrimes. Mustard gas really gets me in the mood Blue Apron.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 138d
Mmm.... Mustard... 🤤
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 137d
Nope. Had it happen to me: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25040771
TLDR: I know it because the ads were German but the podcast is in English.
cageythree@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 137d
That can still happen and happens to me too, despite using a no-ad FOSS player, so the ads are definitely from the podcast, not the player.
Dynamic ad insertion is absolutely a thing in podcasts. If you access/download the MP3 file on the server from a German IP address, a German ad will be put in at the specified ad break before you/your player downloads the file.
So a different language ad doesn't mean it's from Spotify.
(PS: By the way, using a VPN connected to a country where not many companies make podcast ads works basically like a podcast ad blocker. I route my podcast player through an Albania VPN and have like 80% less ads than before. The remainder is "classic" podcast ads that are inserted as a static part of the MP3 file, no way to get rid of those.)
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 137d
No.
It was literally an ad break done into the stream.
The WAN show does not speak German. And they have their own sponsor section. So no way for anyone other than the creator deciding to insert a ad-break during upload of an episode (or getting it suggested by Spotify).
This is assumedly exactly as YT does it.
cageythree@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 137d
Yeah I get that but the way I experienced it is that ads can appear in a podcast in any of the following three instances:
The podcast player's ads can not be distinguished from the podcast network's ads, except that they have a higher tendency for personalized ads (given that personalization is enabled in the privacy settings) or if the player declares it as an advertisement in a place where the podcast can't. Or if you know that a podcast is on an ad free network. Other than that, you don't really know if it's an ad by Spotify or the podcast's network.
My point is that, unless your player is explicitly declaring an ad as such, you cannot diatinguish a podcast network's ad from a player ad. The only proof I have to know it's a network's ad in my case is that my player is open source and ad free. If I used a closed source commercial player, I wouldn't know from who the ad is coming when it's in my local language.
I'm German too and got German ads on english podcasts, but I know that the player didn't insert it, so you can never be too sure if it's Spotify adding them either.
cageythree@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 137d
Cavemanfreak@programming.dev · 1 pts · 137d
They do serve ads on podcasts. Not all of them though. It used to be that they were separate, so that you were shown a different "now playing" screen. I first noticed when it happened on otherwise ad free shows, like Lateral. Not sure if that's the case now? Some of the podcasts I listen to jump in length from the episode list to the "now playing" screen, which is weird. Don't know if it's because injected ads or not though, or if they're even from Spotify. I haven't seen those ads that are on a new "now playing" screen in a while.
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 24 pts · 138d
If I didn't already cancel them, this would make me cancel them again.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 137d
I went back to Winamp last year and don’t regret it at all.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 137d
Where do you get the media from, though
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 137d
Remember CDs? Actually owning stuff?
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 137d
Yarr matey!
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 136d
Your local library should rent CD's. Rent 'em and rip 'em into mp3's and BOOM!, Robert's your dad's brother.
TheHighRoad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Behold the Atlantean and their mastery of laser decoding mechanisms!
wewbull@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 137d
Signs your business model has truly failed.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 136d
They alll fail when forever gain growth is the expectation.
Barracuda@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 137d
Time to switch to Qobuz then. Goodbye Spotify.
Ganymede@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 137d
Why do people even use Spotify at this point?
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 137d
Convenience of instant access to gazillion songs, though i'm not sure if the average spotify user even listens to anything other than top-lists
_g_be@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
I used to use Spotify but got sick of their recommendations. Vastly different genre playlists would still get top100 songs recommended. Sabrina Carpenter in all my playlists.
I moved to Pandora, their recommendation engine is way less biased. Fewer features in the app, tho
pieberry@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 137d
FYI Pandora was playing ICE recruitment ads on their service last year.
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Back when I was on spotify I listened to premade playlists very rarely since I pretty much always knew what I wanted to listen to and because I'm very picky. The "This is [x] playlists were pretty good though
Ganymede@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 137d
The Convenience aspect kind of goes away when you factor in alternatives like YouTube music, apple music or soundcloud
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 137d
Sharing and creating playlists with friends. Discovering new music. Endless playlists of high quality for all genres and moods. Family plan is cheap.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 137d
FatVegan@leminal.space · 2 pts · 137d
Their search function and recommendations are really good. Other than that, no idea. Convenience
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 137d
They have far more niche music than anyone else. I mean that from a Finnish perspective.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
Song-based radios for new music discovery on a service where they don’t silently drop huge swaths of music from my curated “liked” list. Tidal, Qobuz, and Bandcamp failed to meet this requirement in different ways.
Spotify isn’t even good, but I don’t have another real option yet.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 137d
Me personally, just because someone else is paying for it. The second they stop, I'll go somewhere else.
deacon@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 138d
I would have to go and download an ad, and then upload it, and then select it from new additions in order to hear an ad on Plexamp.
But the subscription model is the framework for fuckery here.
It wasn’t long ago that subscribing to something, implied a consistent (usually periodical) delivery of actual goods or services that were in some way distinct from the previous periods good or services. Issue #33 is different from #32. March’s soup of the month is different than February’s.
And you could hold issue #33 in one hand and #32 in another hand and directly interact with two months worth of that subscription.
The tech bro idea of innovation is to get two revenue streams from each customer; keep us paying for the same thing over and over but never owning it, and sell our data to advertisers. The fact that they are also showing ads to subscribers is just dripping lemon juice in the paper cut because they can. They were already making money off that data.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 137d
Now I have a problem with this statement in a vacuum.
Zero: I am based in Germany. So not as many dystopian laws and decisions as in the USA
First: Yes, Spotify bad, Hooray Jellyfin, ripping CDs and owning the media you have. Also good for the artists.
Second: I had ads played to me. But it only happened on podcasts.
Third: I had talked to the Spotify support: https://imgur.com/a/Ulis7Oe
(TLDR: Podcast publishers (e.g. LTT with their WANshow or Dallas Taylor with 20 Thousand Hertz) can decide if they want to play ads. They happened to me inbetween episodes)
So yeah. Now it would be very interesting what this random person encountered where.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 137d
My wife and daughter had heard ads sparingly and they only listen to music. I assumed it was some sort of bug because it is very infrequent, but with today's corps I should probably invoke the inverse of Hanlon's Razor and just assume malice.
FEIN@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
Hanlon's RazorWhose Hanlon and why do you need his razor? It's more hygienic to buy one from the storezod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 137d
In case you don't actually know what it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 138d
Ah no! The first company to play ads for paid subscribers
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 138d
Haven't Amazon and Netflix been doing that for a long time already?
felbane@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 138d
thatisthejoke.meme
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 137d
I've been using YT music anyway, but I recently started using my Navidrome server by just yt-dlp'ing albums + tag with MusicBrainz picard and boom. A bunch of songs I can own until my server burns down.
I feel a little bad about pirating, but I'm a college student who hasn't even gotten a job yet... But I will be buying merch or music off bandcamp in the future when I know I have the budget for it!
Minizarbi@jlai.lu · 9 pts · 137d
Bandcamp is very nice!
Samiaouuu@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 137d
I recommand monochrome(.)tf, it's basically Tidal for free so it has much better quality than YouTube
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 137d
I will never give YT music money since they killed off Google Play Music (a far superior music app) to make it. I told them during the switchover the only way they would keep getting money from me was to not kill GPM, and so far, I've kept my word.
0oWow@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 137d
Again? Lol
Just a heads up, Deezer has been working hard to improve their UI a great deal. It is so much less stressful to navigate than Spotify. Sound quality is also better to me. And not being forced to mix music with ad-infused podcasts is so very nice.
pieberry@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 137d
Deezer played ICE recruitment ads last year on their service.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 137d
Didn't the creator also dox a customer for criticizing them?
kepix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
why is it stressful? you search for the track, and you click play.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 137d
No. It's just the principle of not supporting fascist enabling bootlickers
kepix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
bigtech is the foot in the boot
0oWow@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 137d
Yeah, I do that.... On Deezer. 👍👍
billwashere@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 138d
It’s why I cancelled SiriusXM a while back. I’m paying for the service so atop playing ads. And at the time it was like the same ad over and over. God it was infuriating.
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 138d
Spotify has ads? I've never paid, I thought it just had to take little breaks after some songs because they were harder to play 🤔
Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 138d
Is that confirmed? My whole family use Spotify and we didn’t have such issue..
darkmarx@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 138d
I can confirm. I have the family plan and got ads when I was listening earlier today. Contacted support. Got no where. Canceled my subscription.
bassomitron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 138d
I'm guessing it impacted some people for there to be a Hacker News (a fairly respectable news outlet) article about it.I was just listening earlier today and didn't have any ads. Same with my wife on her account (family plan).Edit: wow, I'm a dumbass. Nevermind.
But yeah, I still haven't had any ads after listening all evening while cooking dinner and what kt.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 138d
Heads up, Hacker News is a social media site like here or reddit, it's not a news outlet. It's run by Y Combinator, a huge venture capital firm in the SF Bay area, and the users tend to be tech bros or aspiring ones. Many attach their user accounts to their github and professional identity. I think there's only one admin and they tend to be heavy handed.
WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 5 pts · 138d
The commentariat at HN was anti-DEI before anyone knew what "DEI" even was.
Garry Tan, tech [Y Combinator] CEO & campaign donor, wishes death upon San Francisco politicians
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 138d
Great callout!
I participate in the techtakes community on awful.systems, which is devoted to laughing at tech bro "takes". HN posts and comments are almost too easy as targets for derision and are common topics for meta-discussion of the reprehensible opinions.
I was just trying to have a light touch here. Start with the facts. We can talk about the literal cults spun off from it later.
The site's one of the clearest windows into the myriad and shockingly widespread ghoulish opinions that seem to fester in places that consider themselves important to the tech industry or attract people who think they are.
I really should start keeping a tally on shit like "how many times have I seen eugenics suggested on HN this month".
WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 4 pts · 138d
Jesus, that sounds awful.
Subscribed.
Feyd@programming.dev · 7 pts · 138d
Hacker news is not a news outlet. It is a forum/aggregator
blackbeans@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 137d
Confirmed by Spotify that it was a bug and has now been solved. It only applied to Basic users. Basic is the slightly cheaper version of Premium which doesn't include audio books.
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 137d
It's a bug, not a change of policy
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
Tidal is better
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 10 pts · 137d
Navidrome is even better
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
YouTube Music ReVanced is best, because it's both free and ad-free.
Unfortunately you have to sacrifice on sound quality, because it's YouTube. However the song selection can not be beat by any other platform.
dudesss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 137d
Qobuz > Navidrome > Tidal
Although Navidrome, if going legally, I've only found Bandcamp Fridays practical for buying music so far: https://isitbandcampfriday.com/
x_ray_rabbit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
I wish it was for me (truly I do), but I listen to most of my music in the car. It didn't buffer the next set of songs nearly as well as Spotify, so when I went through low signal areas the music just stopped playing. And the Android Auto app wasn't as good. The sound quality was minimally better, but not good enough to overcome the other issues.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
Thats why I keep an old iPod too :)
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 136d
Is this news site Peter Thiels?
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 136d
It's like reddit for techbros that gush about the latest fads and startups. Not sure who owns it, but it's probably the worst venture capitalists. The moderation is very heavy against anyone that becomes even slightly politically aware.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
Ycombinator is peter thiel. This is a news aggregator and social media site housed in his network. Fucking losers.
Trilogy3452@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ongoing-Issues/Basic-plans-Users-are-getting-ads/idi-p/7378835
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 137d
Had it happen to me on Family: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25040771
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 136d
Amazon does it, YouTube does it. Everyone will do it eventually. Greed has no threshold
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 136d
It has the threshold its victims allow by maintaining a relationship with the greedy.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 136d
YouTube does not do that, unless you’re referring to sponsorships which are mostly handled and organized and introduced to the viewer apart from YouTube’s meddling.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 136d
Took them longer than I expected.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 136d
(En)Shittify
orenj@lemmy.kde.social · 3 pts · 136d
This is literally the only reason to fork over cash to spotify, are they insane?
MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
Thank you
Nebulous_Keito@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 137d
Lol! 😹😹 I'm glad I never signed up for Spotify
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 138d
Weird, I use free Spotify and don't hear adds
(SpotX)
Satomune@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 137d
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
Respectfully, this is not an appropriate venue for your sales pitch, and is in fact, a red flag.
tja@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 137d
If your AI development is as good as the one at Spotify described in this post, I would stay away from you