I feel like this one is relatively uncontroversial
URL pronounced as "earl" however? I'll spend all of my remaining energy in life ensuring the person saying it is stapled to the bottom of the Mariana trench with rebar
Sure, that explains why people pronounce it that way now. What I'm wondering is why people started pronouncing it that way in the first place. When I see the letters JSON, my brain parses it as J-SON. It's even a common first name ffs.
I couldn't say. There is an older guy in my group who calls it "Jason". Also we have 2 guys on my team named Jason and the back end jason now goes by J-Sahn. I have always read it j sahn and I have no idea why.
SQL is pronounced 'Sequel' because it was originaly SEQUEL.
SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd[12] in the early 1970s.[13] This version, initially called SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s.[13]
That would explain why it's only American to I've ever heard referred to it like that. Every European developer I've ever heard referred to it as always called it SQL as would I.
I too am going to call DNS 'Dennis' from now on, lol.
Yeah I've had some discussions over time with the whole SQL vs Sequel thing, and what I realized was that...
Well basically, I learned 'Sequel' from a bunch of old timers in the Seattle area.
The kind of people who had been writing COBOL since they got back from Vietnam, people who'd actually worked at IBM, still acted like Microsoft was an 'upstart', people who'd just offhand tell me about the one time they got 'deployed' to Saudi Arabia to flash a compromised BIOS onto hardware destined to be used in Saddam's air defense network, prior to the Gulf War.
So, they actually literally were there back when SEQUEL was invented.
Thanks for making the comment I came to make. I imagine being older and remembering SQL as a new-ish thing really helped cement this, but when I started programming professionally for an enterprise, literally everyone pronounced it like this. I can see how and why it makes little sense to younger people.
The wild thing is I'm only in my 30s, I'm probably a youngin', compared to you, I just was around a good deal of old timers, real fuckin' wizard types.
The original product was called SEQUEL. Structured English QUEry Language. They got sued over the name by a company named Sequel, so changed it to SQL but kept calling it sequel, as do we all.
I call it like that since I'm from SA and I learnt it in english so it was taught to me as an acronym. When learning English I just translated the acronym. Learning the original name is a TIL for me but I'm still calling it like I did fuck it.
Jurassic Park (InGen) ruined any possibility of me ever pronouncing this the way they want me to. It'll always be In-Gen-Icks out of my lips, like it's a pharmaceutical company.
My native language is not English and saying "sequel" in this language is extremely forced and just not the norm. This bleeds over into English for me.
I self-taught SQL on the job and was denied a promotion because I said S-Q-L instead of Sequel. The supervisor that was interviewing me for the job ended the interview early because of it. This was almost 10 years ago now and I'm still salty about it.
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Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 200 pts · 150d
HTML: hatemail
HTTP: hat-top
MSDN: Mastodon
SSH: shhhhh
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 150d
Anybody else ever use HoTMetaL to make a website?
markz@suppo.fi · 31 pts · 150d
Not HoTMaiL?
Or HoTMaLe?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 150d
HoTtaMaLe
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 149d
Don't forget to remove the husk
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 150d
I always thought it was Hotmail, probably because my first email address was using Hotmail and that was sort of my first introduction to computing.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 150d
Add enough JavaScript frameworks and I'm sure the metal gets very hot indeed.
degen@midwest.social · 2 pts · 149d
Good thing it's not running on bare metal, amirite
einlander@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 150d
I had HotMetal Pro. I got it on a cd in a library book sale.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 149d
PHP: fffffffp
markz@suppo.fi · 2 pts · 149d
Pehp.
m4ylame0wecm@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 150d
hitttup, wuh wuh wuh
A7thStone@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 149d
I thought HTML was hate em all.
DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 146d
HTML = hit mill
It's like a machine (mill) that gets you hits (web traffic)
HTTP = hitch tip
It's the tip of the hitch that you attach to the hit mill
GreatRam@lemmy.world · 98 pts · 150d
JSON is pronounced Jason
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 67 pts · 150d
SCSI was always skuzzy.
idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 150d
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 149d
Ah, I see, you're a person of culture and distinguished taste.
9point6@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 150d
I feel like this one is relatively uncontroversial
URL pronounced as "earl" however? I'll spend all of my remaining energy in life ensuring the person saying it is stapled to the bottom of the Mariana trench with rebar
kamen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 149d
JSON Statham
Dojan@pawb.social · 2 pts · 149d
Jason Derulo~♪
Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 149d
I say Jay-sahn.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 149d
Lots of people do, and it makes no sense.
How do you pronounce "J"?
How do you pronounce "son"?
Now put them together.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 149d
Oh I get it!
How do you pronounce "e"?
How do you pronounce "yes"?
Now put them together for "eyes"!
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 149d
Sure, that explains why people pronounce it that way now. What I'm wondering is why people started pronouncing it that way in the first place. When I see the letters JSON, my brain parses it as J-SON. It's even a common first name ffs.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 149d
I couldn't say. There is an older guy in my group who calls it "Jason". Also we have 2 guys on my team named Jason and the back end jason now goes by J-Sahn. I have always read it j sahn and I have no idea why.
Gumus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 148d
Legendary
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 149d
So, how do you say "J" then?
"ᒋ"?
Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 149d
LOL! I wouldn't pronounce "J son" like Jason, either!
"Son" is pronounced "sun". Jason is pronounced Jay-sin.
Also, I've had coworkers named Jason, and I want to be able to say "Use JSON" without it sounding like I'm saying "Use Jason".
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 148d
You sound like a fun person to work with.
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 149d
It isn't Jason, it's Jayson. But yeah, basically indistinguishable.
And the only sane choice, as opposed to Sequel.
5715@feddit.org · 1 pts · 140d
J-Son ≠ K-Son
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 80 pts · 150d
SQL is pronounced 'Sequel' because it was originaly SEQUEL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
It then later evolved, and changed from being an acronym into an initialism, kind of, sort of, mostly for people who are unaware of the etymology.
'Sequel' is quite literally the tradtional way to pronounce it.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 25 pts · 149d
TIL, thank you. Still not gonna say it like that.
pelya@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 149d
DNS is pronounced 'hosts' because it was originally one big text file.
echodot@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 149d
That would explain why it's only American to I've ever heard referred to it like that. Every European developer I've ever heard referred to it as always called it SQL as would I.
Other DNS is definitely Dennis from now on.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 149d
I too am going to call DNS 'Dennis' from now on, lol.
Yeah I've had some discussions over time with the whole SQL vs Sequel thing, and what I realized was that...
Well basically, I learned 'Sequel' from a bunch of old timers in the Seattle area.
The kind of people who had been writing COBOL since they got back from Vietnam, people who'd actually worked at IBM, still acted like Microsoft was an 'upstart', people who'd just offhand tell me about the one time they got 'deployed' to Saudi Arabia to flash a compromised BIOS onto hardware destined to be used in Saddam's air defense network, prior to the Gulf War.
So, they actually literally were there back when SEQUEL was invented.
Dojan@pawb.social · 2 pts · 149d
I want to do this because I'm sure it's going to tick someone off.
I love it!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
Also, just a plethora of potential Dennis the Menace jokes.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 149d
Whole internet running on the Dennis system, go figure.
Because of the implication
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
Well... the .gov domains are currently run by an orange god emperor... so... pretty close.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 149d
Yeah except this name was already taken and then it became SQL, dropping the English.
Even the start of your wiki says:
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 149d
Thanks for making the comment I came to make. I imagine being older and remembering SQL as a new-ish thing really helped cement this, but when I started programming professionally for an enterprise, literally everyone pronounced it like this. I can see how and why it makes little sense to younger people.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
The wild thing is I'm only in my 30s, I'm probably a youngin', compared to you, I just was around a good deal of old timers, real fuckin' wizard types.
undree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 149d
Still gonna call it squirrel though
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 148d
Came here to make this comment. So by the same logic, DNS or Domain Name System should have been abbreviated to DoNaS and pronounced dou-NAS.
freezy@discuss.tchncs.de · 64 pts · 150d
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
This is amazing in its truthfulness.
Codpiece@feddit.uk · 44 pts · 150d
It’s not sequel. It’s squirrel.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 150d
Skill. Then you can reply to any database problems your coworkers bring up with "sounds like a skill issue to me".
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 29 pts · 150d
Confusing because there is a DB client called SQuirreL.
But also relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1989/
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 150d
... Just kill me
OpenStars@piefed.social · 6 pts · 149d
Oh my genitals / giantess! 😳
Alberat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 149d
May genitals have mercy on us...
OpenStars@piefed.social · 2 pts · 149d
That must be the part where the giantess comes in? 😜
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 150d
Still wrong. Squeal.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 149d
skull
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 150d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQRL
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 150d
We pronounce it ancient.
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 150d
Squl
breadsmasher@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 150d
sometimes its fun to stress wrong letters, like throwing out “ess-Kwall” or “seh-Kwall”
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 41 pts · 150d
The original product was called SEQUEL. Structured English QUEry Language. They got sued over the name by a company named Sequel, so changed it to SQL but kept calling it sequel, as do we all.
Canopyflyer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 150d
So say we all
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 149d
Except me who call it Es-Queue-El as language intended.
/Old mans rant off
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
I call it like that since I'm from SA and I learnt it in english so it was taught to me as an acronym. When learning English I just translated the acronym. Learning the original name is a TIL for me but I'm still calling it like I did fuck it.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
South Arabia?
I'm from sweden 😁
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 148d
South America.
Uruguay
sudo@programming.dev · 36 pts · 150d
I had a coworker pronounce URL as Earl.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 149d
Want some URL Grey tea?
5715@feddit.org · 1 pts · 140d
jeffep@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 149d
enjinx
d_k_bo@feddit.org · 5 pts · 149d
Somewhere I heard that it should be pronounced as "Engine X"
netweirdo@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 149d
On their own homepage? still won't stop me tho
MadhuGururajan@programming.dev · 4 pts · 149d
that's how i pronounce it from the very first time i saw it
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 149d
That's better than me, I was saying en-ginks
MadhuGururajan@programming.dev · 2 pts · 143d
Actually I also pronounce it as en-ginks. The parent comment was not obvious to me
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 149d
Jurassic Park (InGen) ruined any possibility of me ever pronouncing this the way they want me to. It'll always be In-Gen-Icks out of my lips, like it's a pharmaceutical company.
jeffep@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 149d
In Gen X we trust
Romer@reddthat.com · 22 pts · 150d
Don't you mean, DEE-niss? 8====D <------ There. It's right there.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 150d
Denise - it's French
nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 150d
You say your name right! Now, dee-NICE!
Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 150d
How do you pronounce PDF file?
OpenStars@piefed.social · 23 pts · 149d
E-p-s-t-e-i-n?
witness_me@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 149d
The orange one
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 149d
T-r-u...
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 149d
Pee Duff
lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 149d
Similarly, Nazi programmers say "ZIP FILE!!!"
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 149d
"The most uneditable proprietary shit in the world that's somehow nonproprietary and ultra popular but really has no right to be any of these"
Aka one of the biggest paradoxes of modern computing.
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 150d
It's the DENNIS system.
MoffKalast@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 150d
If the nameserver says no, then the answer obviously, is no.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 4 pts · 149d
But they won't say no. Because of the resolution.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 149d
I like to pronounce them like squeal and dunes.
Charlxmagne@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 150d
Bro I heard someone pronounce it squeal before 🫠
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 150d
That's adorable!
Less so when you consider my rotten syntax
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 149d
denise
5715@feddit.org · 12 pts · 150d
CDN: Codein
DHCP: Dickhead Chilli Peppers
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 149d
Die Hard Cosplay
5715@feddit.org · 2 pts · 149d
DiHCPic
ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 11 pts · 150d
Oh, don't be DeNSe, it's pronounced SQueaL 🐷
lmr0x61@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 150d
It’s always Dennis
AffineConnection@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 150d
zemo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 150d
I will always judge people who say "sequel"
silentjohn@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 150d
Why? It originated as literally SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language). It only changed because of a trademark conflict.
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 150d
That guy REALLY likes trademarks, apparently
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 149d
Its ok.
Let the script kiddies squeal and squirrel about.
The elder ones ... they were there when the code was written.
zemo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 148d
My native language is not English and saying "sequel" in this language is extremely forced and just not the norm. This bleeds over into English for me.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 150d
Same, but I'm willing to team up with them against people who call it squeal.
xistera@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 149d
I self-taught SQL on the job and was denied a promotion because I said S-Q-L instead of Sequel. The supervisor that was interviewing me for the job ended the interview early because of it. This was almost 10 years ago now and I'm still salty about it.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 150d
I didn't need to know this.
Ffs.
And it's exactly what a name server deserves.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 149d
I have always called SQL, S Q L.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 149d
That's bad logic, obviously if SQL is "sequel" then DNS is "denues."
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 149d
You know maybe some acronyms just sound good pronounced as words and some just don't, ever think of that?
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 150d
SQL is pronounced "squirrel"
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 4 pts · 150d
There's a system for dennis already.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 3 pts · 150d
Why add the extra letter? It's clearly pronounced "Denis"
webkitten@piefed.social · 2 pts · 150d
icedaemon0@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 149d
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org · 3 pts · 150d
Thanks I hate it
toynbee@piefed.social · 3 pts · 150d
We share the same dinna!
dumbass@piefed.social · 2 pts · 150d
I thought it was pronounced Esquelle and Deaness.
coolman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 150d
We really need a good one for DHCP. That shit don't flow off the tongue at all
crowbar@piefed.social · 5 pts · 150d
dennis has-
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 150d
D'oHCuP? Like when you spill your coffee? 🤷🏻
darklamer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 149d
And remember, it's spelled Netscape, but it's pronounced Mozilla.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 150d
sanbdra@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 149d
Now I’m never going to read DNS the same way again 😭
webkitten@piefed.social · 2 pts · 150d
Lime66@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 150d
It's pronounced squirrel? Smh my head
arcine@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 138d
If char is pronounced "care" then surely arr is pronounced "urr"
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 149d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 149d
tod@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 149d
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 149d
We used to pronounce UPDTE as "upditty" (this is a JCL reference. Be happy if you don't get it)
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 150d
SQL is pronounced Squirrel.
squirrel@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 150d
True
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 150d
dumbass@piefed.social · 5 pts · 150d
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 150d
God is coming.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 150d
a staple of desktop
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 150d
God is coming
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 149d
Oddly divisive post. Ya'll doing ok?