Antigua: "Ancient", corrected from earlier Antego,[22] a truncation of the Spanish Santa Maria la Antigua,[23] bestowed in 1493 by Christopher Columbus in honor of the Virgen de la Antigua ("Virgin of the Old Cathedral"[24]), a revered mid-14th-century icon in the Chapel of La Antigua in Seville Cathedral.[25]
The names Ireland and Éire both derive from Old Irish Ériu, which in turn comes from Proto-Celtic ɸīweriyū meaning "fertile soil". The Classical Latin name for the island of Ireland, Ivernia, also comes from this same root
Not sure why you're mentioning Ireland, did you think it was named after Kathy Ireland?
Everything we think we know about the goddess Ériu (and Irish mythology in general) was written down within the past 1000 years by Christian monks. They purported to be recording the oral mythology of the Irish people, but it's hard to say how much of it was a faithful transcription and how much was invented/reworked by the monks to fit into a Christian/Greco-Roman worldview.
The etymological root of Ireland as a place name ultimately derives from ancient Greek sources, which obviously predate such mythology by over 1000 years.
The name Ériu has been derived from reconstructed Archaic Irish *Īweriū, which is related to the ethnic name Iverni. The University of Wales derives this from Proto-Celtic *Φīwerjon- (nominative singular Φīwerjō). This is further derived from Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon- ("fertile land" or "land of abundance"), from the adjective *piHwer- "fat" (cognate with Ancient Greek píeira and Sanskrit pīvara, "fat, full, abounding").
The Archaic Irish form was borrowed into Ancient Greek as Ἰέρνη Iernē and Ἰουερνία Iouernia, and into Latin Hibernia.
So, even ignoring the fact that a mythical goddess is not equivalent to a human woman, Ireland wasn't named after a goddess either.
Ériu, Banba and Fódla are from Lebor Gabála Érenn, Ireland's creation myth, and they each wanted the whole country named after them (and still can be, poetically). This is a mythologised history, not etymology.
Also, downvoting someone you're debating with is extremely bad form.
Wiki and OED:
"Hellenic" originates from the Ancient Greek Hellēnikós, derived from Hellēn, referring to the Greek-speaking people and their culture. It is rooted in the mythological figure Hellen, the son of Deucalion and progenitor of the Greek race, rather than the female Helen of Troy. The term signifies belonging to Greece, originating from Hellas (Greece).
I suspect that you're thinking of El Dorado, which was a mythical golden city believed to be in South America, more specifically Columbia. It's in Voltaire's Candide. amongst other places.
The relationship between names, phonology, and gender has been reliably demonstrated in studies
focused on English names (Mutsukawa 2014; Cassidy et al. 1999). For example, in an analysis of male
(n = 267) and female (n = 222) students, Slater and Feinman (1985) identified several phonological gender
differences including: (i) more phonemes, more syllables, and a higher ratio of open syllables in female names
in comparison to male names; (ii) a strong stress on the first syllable of both female and male names; (iii) a
greater likelihood of female names ending in a vowel in comparison to male names; (iv) male names having a
larger percentage of voiced beginnings when names begin with consonants; and (v) male names having a higher
percentage of endings with high central unrounded vowels when names end in vowels, in comparison to female
names.
A few studies have examined phonology, gender, and names in languages other than English. In a series
of studies, Mutsukawa (2014) observed that first syllables in Japanese names illustrate gender difference. For
example, the letter “a” in the first position is found in female names whereas the letters, “k” and “s” are more
common in the name-initial position among males.
The historical analysis indicated that female names ended more frequently with the letters “a”,“e”, “i”" in
comparison to male names both in Korea and the U.S.A. As illustrated in Figure 2(a), through each decade
under review, female names were more likely to end in the letters “a”,“e”, or “i”. This finding is consistent with
observations documented by Barry and Harper (2000).
Hmm. So maybe it does affect some languages outside of English if Korean sees a similar phenomenon, but it doesn't sound like it's a universal, if Japanese uses different conventions.
They're talking about a country with a Latin based language, where pretty much everything is gendered. Typically masculine words end with O and feminine words end with A.
Phillipines, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Colombia, Georgia, El Salvador, Swaziland, Peru, Saint Vincent, San Marino, United States of America, etc. There are 22 countries named after men.
Modern scholarship generally derives the name Georgia from the Persian term Gurj (گرج), a historical ethnonym for Georgians. The ultimate origin of this term is debated, though it may be connected to gurğān, a region name meaning "land of wolves."[33]
but checked out a few others and yeah sounds right
For the sake of completeness, YSK there are only two countries in the world that are named after the families that rule them. They have a common border and are both kingdoms: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
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pooberbee@lemmy.ml · 84 pts · 135d
Aunt Arctica, duh
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 135d
This is America Ferrera erasure and I won’t stand for it.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
I love Superstore. I'd absolutely DESTROY Justine!!!! Let her parents know they aren't getting the deposit back on this one!
tal@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 135d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country-name_etymologies
checks first few entries
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 135d
Djibouti
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 135d
I mean, fuck Ireland I guess.
Deebster@programming.dev · 36 pts · 135d
Not sure why you're mentioning Ireland, did you think it was named after Kathy Ireland?
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 135d
It's called that because Eriu is the goddess of the land, that is also likely named after her.
imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 135d
Everything we think we know about the goddess Ériu (and Irish mythology in general) was written down within the past 1000 years by Christian monks. They purported to be recording the oral mythology of the Irish people, but it's hard to say how much of it was a faithful transcription and how much was invented/reworked by the monks to fit into a Christian/Greco-Roman worldview.
The etymological root of Ireland as a place name ultimately derives from ancient Greek sources, which obviously predate such mythology by over 1000 years.
So, even ignoring the fact that a mythical goddess is not equivalent to a human woman, Ireland wasn't named after a goddess either.
Deebster@programming.dev · 16 pts · 135d
Ériu, Banba and Fódla are from Lebor Gabála Érenn, Ireland's creation myth, and they each wanted the whole country named after them (and still can be, poetically). This is a mythologised history, not etymology.
Also, downvoting someone you're debating with is extremely bad form.
funkajunk@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 135d
Agreed, even if I disagree with someone they get an upvote if they tried to drive the conversation
nogooduser@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
I have a policy that if a post or comment is worth a reply then it’s worth an upvote. If it’s not worth an upvote then I don’t reply.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 135d
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 135d
Lucy of Syracuse is a woman who, by all accounts, did physically exist. Maybe that's the difference?
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 135d
At least there is Europe.
jjpamsterdam@feddit.org · 1 pts · 135d
All that needs to happen now is for the countries of Europe to unify and St. Lucia loses this incredibly important title!
_skj@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 135d
Greece's official English name is the Hellenic Republic, named after Helen of Troy.
Thanator@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 134d
That is incorrect.
Wiki and OED: "Hellenic" originates from the Ancient Greek Hellēnikós, derived from Hellēn, referring to the Greek-speaking people and their culture. It is rooted in the mythological figure Hellen, the son of Deucalion and progenitor of the Greek race, rather than the female Helen of Troy. The term signifies belonging to Greece, originating from Hellas (Greece).
Luci@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 135d
They named it after me dontchaknow
Triumph@fedia.io · 8 pts · 135d
Then why isn't it called Saint Me?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
I can just imagine a puppet dog making this joke while insulting Luci Liu.
B0rax@feddit.org · 9 pts · 135d
That’s a nice flag
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 8 pts · 135d
You're telling me Argentina is a man's name? 🤨
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 135d
It is an adjective! República Argentina means silver republic
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
But it was named after the Argentine, which I remember is supposed to be a mythological land of women, similar to the Amazons.
Or maybe I'm getting my ancient lores mixed up
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 134d
I suspect that you're thinking of El Dorado, which was a mythical golden city believed to be in South America, more specifically Columbia. It's in Voltaire's Candide. amongst other places.
tal@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 135d
I think that the "female names end in a vowel, male names in a consonant" thing might not be the norm in non-English languages.
searches
https://ans-names.pitt.edu/ans/article/download/2485/2408
Hmm. So maybe it does affect some languages outside of English if Korean sees a similar phenomenon, but it doesn't sound like it's a universal, if Japanese uses different conventions.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 135d
They're talking about a country with a Latin based language, where pretty much everything is gendered. Typically masculine words end with O and feminine words end with A.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 135d
what countries are named after men?
PoastRotato@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 135d
Chad, duh
otp@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 135d
Oman
Tanoh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
No way, that is "zero man"!
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 135d
Phillipines, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Colombia, Georgia, El Salvador, Swaziland, Peru, Saint Vincent, San Marino, United States of America, etc. There are 22 countries named after men.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 135d
Modern scholarship generally derives the name Georgia from the Persian term Gurj (گرج), a historical ethnonym for Georgians. The ultimate origin of this term is debated, though it may be connected to gurğān, a region name meaning "land of wolves."[33]
but checked out a few others and yeah sounds right
interesting
_g_be@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
ᕕ(گرج )ᕗ
Sorry if insensitive lol
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 135d
insensitive?
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 135d
"if it's an impropriate joke" (I guess)
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 135d
:/ what’s the joke? it just looks like hieroglyphs to me
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 135d
an emoji, ready to punch and flexing
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d
but wolf means man. check and mate
werewolves were scary because were meant woman and werewolves were mythical men who turned into women when the moon rose.
mythical scary wolf drag queens sounds pretty awesome tho
Klear@quokk.au · 4 pts · 135d
Columbia.
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 135d
That's not a country.
kambusha@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 135d
™️
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 134d
Philistan. Named after Phil.
medem@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 134d
For the sake of completeness, YSK there are only two countries in the world that are named after the families that rule them. They have a common border and are both kingdoms: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 134d
Canada was named after Denise Canada.
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 134d
I thought it was named after de nephew.
tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 134d
Dad, is that you?
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -2 pts · 135d
Is it a cult?