TIL Saint Lucia is the only country named after a woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucia

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pooberbee@lemmy.ml · 84 pts · 135d

Aunt Arctica, duh

backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 135d (1 reply)

This is America Ferrera erasure and I won’t stand for it.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d

I love Superstore. I'd absolutely DESTROY Justine!!!! Let her parents know they aren't getting the deposit back on this one!

tal@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 135d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country-name_etymologies

checks first few entries

Antigua and Barbuda

Antigua: "Ancient", corrected from earlier Antego,[22] a truncation of the Spanish Santa Maria la Antigua,[23] bestowed in 1493 by Christopher Columbus in honor of the Virgen de la Antigua ("Virgin of the Old Cathedral"[24]), a revered mid-14th-century icon in the Chapel of La Antigua in Seville Cathedral.[25]

TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 135d

Djibouti

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 135d (8 replies)

I mean, fuck Ireland I guess.

Deebster@programming.dev · 36 pts · 135d (6 replies)

The names Ireland and Éire both derive from Old Irish Ériu, which in turn comes from Proto-Celtic ɸīweriyū meaning "fertile soil". The Classical Latin name for the island of Ireland, Ivernia, also comes from this same root

Not sure why you're mentioning Ireland, did you think it was named after Kathy Ireland?

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 135d (5 replies)

It's called that because Eriu is the goddess of the land, that is also likely named after her.

imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 135d

Everything we think we know about the goddess Ériu (and Irish mythology in general) was written down within the past 1000 years by Christian monks. They purported to be recording the oral mythology of the Irish people, but it's hard to say how much of it was a faithful transcription and how much was invented/reworked by the monks to fit into a Christian/Greco-Roman worldview.

The etymological root of Ireland as a place name ultimately derives from ancient Greek sources, which obviously predate such mythology by over 1000 years.

The name Ériu has been derived from reconstructed Archaic Irish *Īweriū, which is related to the ethnic name Iverni. The University of Wales derives this from Proto-Celtic *Φīwerjon- (nominative singular Φīwerjō). This is further derived from Proto-Indo-European *piHwerjon- ("fertile land" or "land of abundance"), from the adjective *piHwer- "fat" (cognate with Ancient Greek píeira and Sanskrit pīvara, "fat, full, abounding").

The Archaic Irish form was borrowed into Ancient Greek as Ἰέρνη Iernē and Ἰουερνία Iouernia, and into Latin Hibernia.

So, even ignoring the fact that a mythical goddess is not equivalent to a human woman, Ireland wasn't named after a goddess either.

Deebster@programming.dev · 16 pts · 135d (3 replies)

Ériu, Banba and Fódla are from Lebor Gabála Érenn, Ireland's creation myth, and they each wanted the whole country named after them (and still can be, poetically). This is a mythologised history, not etymology.

Also, downvoting someone you're debating with is extremely bad form.

funkajunk@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Agreed, even if I disagree with someone they get an upvote if they tried to drive the conversation

nogooduser@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d

I have a policy that if a post or comment is worth a reply then it’s worth an upvote. If it’s not worth an upvote then I don’t reply.

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 135d
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Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 135d

Lucy of Syracuse is a woman who, by all accounts, did physically exist. Maybe that's the difference?

Melobol@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 135d (1 reply)

At least there is Europe.

jjpamsterdam@feddit.org · 1 pts · 135d

All that needs to happen now is for the countries of Europe to unify and St. Lucia loses this incredibly important title!

_skj@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Greece's official English name is the Hellenic Republic, named after Helen of Troy.

Thanator@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 134d

That is incorrect.

Wiki and OED: "Hellenic" originates from the Ancient Greek Hellēnikós, derived from Hellēn, referring to the Greek-speaking people and their culture. It is rooted in the mythological figure Hellen, the son of Deucalion and progenitor of the Greek race, rather than the female Helen of Troy. The term signifies belonging to Greece, originating from Hellas (Greece).

Luci@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 135d (2 replies)

They named it after me dontchaknow

Triumph@fedia.io · 8 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Then why isn't it called Saint Me?

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d

I can just imagine a puppet dog making this joke while insulting Luci Liu.

B0rax@feddit.org · 9 pts · 135d

That’s a nice flag

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 8 pts · 135d (5 replies)

You're telling me Argentina is a man's name? 🤨

quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 135d (2 replies)

It is an adjective! República Argentina means silver republic

Lumisal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d (1 reply)

But it was named after the Argentine, which I remember is supposed to be a mythological land of women, similar to the Amazons.

Or maybe I'm getting my ancient lores mixed up

sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 134d

I suspect that you're thinking of El Dorado, which was a mythical golden city believed to be in South America, more specifically Columbia. It's in Voltaire's Candide. amongst other places.

tal@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 135d (1 reply)

I think that the "female names end in a vowel, male names in a consonant" thing might not be the norm in non-English languages.

searches

https://ans-names.pitt.edu/ans/article/download/2485/2408

The relationship between names, phonology, and gender has been reliably demonstrated in studies focused on English names (Mutsukawa 2014; Cassidy et al. 1999). For example, in an analysis of male (n = 267) and female (n = 222) students, Slater and Feinman (1985) identified several phonological gender differences including: (i) more phonemes, more syllables, and a higher ratio of open syllables in female names in comparison to male names; (ii) a strong stress on the first syllable of both female and male names; (iii) a greater likelihood of female names ending in a vowel in comparison to male names; (iv) male names having a larger percentage of voiced beginnings when names begin with consonants; and (v) male names having a higher percentage of endings with high central unrounded vowels when names end in vowels, in comparison to female names.

A few studies have examined phonology, gender, and names in languages other than English. In a series of studies, Mutsukawa (2014) observed that first syllables in Japanese names illustrate gender difference. For example, the letter “a” in the first position is found in female names whereas the letters, “k” and “s” are more common in the name-initial position among males.

The historical analysis indicated that female names ended more frequently with the letters “a”,“e”, “i”" in comparison to male names both in Korea and the U.S.A. As illustrated in Figure 2(a), through each decade under review, female names were more likely to end in the letters “a”,“e”, or “i”. This finding is consistent with observations documented by Barry and Harper (2000).

Hmm. So maybe it does affect some languages outside of English if Korean sees a similar phenomenon, but it doesn't sound like it's a universal, if Japanese uses different conventions.

village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 135d

They're talking about a country with a Latin based language, where pretty much everything is gendered. Typically masculine words end with O and feminine words end with A.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 135d (19 replies)

what countries are named after men?

PoastRotato@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Chad, duh

otp@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Oman

Tanoh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d

No way, that is "zero man"!

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 135d (10 replies)

Phillipines, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Colombia, Georgia, El Salvador, Swaziland, Peru, Saint Vincent, San Marino, United States of America, etc. There are 22 countries named after men.

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 135d (9 replies)

Modern scholarship generally derives the name Georgia from the Persian term Gurj (گرج), a historical ethnonym for Georgians. The ultimate origin of this term is debated, though it may be connected to gurğān, a region name meaning "land of wolves."[33]

but checked out a few others and yeah sounds right

interesting

_g_be@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d (7 replies)

ᕕ(گرج )ᕗ

Sorry if insensitive lol

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 135d (6 replies)

insensitive?

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 135d (5 replies)

"if it's an impropriate joke" (I guess)

Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 135d (4 replies)

:/ what’s the joke? it just looks like hieroglyphs to me

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 135d

an emoji, ready to punch and flexing

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d

but wolf means man. check and mate

werewolves were scary because were meant woman and werewolves were mythical men who turned into women when the moon rose.

mythical scary wolf drag queens sounds pretty awesome tho

Klear@quokk.au · 4 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Columbia.

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 135d

That's not a country.

kambusha@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 135d

™️

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 134d

Philistan. Named after Phil.

medem@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 134d

For the sake of completeness, YSK there are only two countries in the world that are named after the families that rule them. They have a common border and are both kingdoms: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 134d (2 replies)

Canada was named after Denise Canada.

Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 134d (1 reply)

I thought it was named after de nephew.

tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 134d

Dad, is that you?

Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d
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quick_snail@feddit.nl · -2 pts · 135d

Is it a cult?