US Treasury plans to put Trump's signature on new paper currency in first for sitting president

https://apnews.com/article/trump-currency-signiture-treasury-first-d919877e39f907eba1172a07920ea80e

The Treasury Department plans to print President Donald Trump’s signature on every new U.S. paper bill. Treasury announced the idea Thursday.

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JailElonMusk@sopuli.xyz · 233 pts · 172d (20 replies)

I'm impressed at their creativity in devaluing the dollar in a new way every day!

hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 172d (1 reply)

and Gold down

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d

I've heard people are selling to buy oil

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -5 pts · 172d (17 replies)

I'm really surprised that BTC has dived alongside it. You would think people would see the risks of a compromised state-owned currency and want to flee towards a decentralized alternative (which is currently below 70K down from it's all time high of 123K).

hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 35 pts · 172d (11 replies)

Bitcoin is more centralized than the dollar. Most is owned but a few large holders, the whales.

It is a poor store of value as it is hard to access in an emergency. Has no utility beyond storing value, unlike gold or silver or shares or bonds. The reason people put their money there is not to escape the fiat system or to make transfers easier (both valid use cases). It's to try and make a quick buck. Unfortunately, most won't. As more and more start to lose money, it will continue to drop.

The technology is sound but the processing speed and acceptance and cost to process transactions, computationally and in dollar value makes it useless for its stated purpose. Which was part of the design.

As card prices have gone up, and energy prices for up, mining Bitcoin becomes uneconomical, so I'd expect less hype and many players to exit leaving others holding the bag.

It may resurge when there are cheap cards after an ai crash. However, I don't see Bitcoin taking over as a payment system replacing the existing banking system. Even Europe faces with visa and MasterCard being a risk for payment processing after American fuckery aren't looking at Bitcoin as the answer. They are looking at block chain technology, though, as being part of the solution.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 172d (10 replies)

Market cap on BTC is 21M coins and the largest individual owner has 1.1M coins while the next two largest owners is 70k coins and 30k coins respectively. I think a small country and the FBI are also major holders.

The capability for those owners to devalue it via selloff is infinitely less than the capability of a country to devalue its currency via selloff, inflation from minting and loan interest rates, poor trade practices, etc.

hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 172d (9 replies)

A country devaluing their currency has negative effects for them. So they don't have incentive to do so. Even with hyperinflation in countries like Argentina, people start to use a different currency, like the dollar.

For Bitcoin I'm just copying and pasting: Top 10 addresses: The 10 richest Bitcoin wallets (excluding Satoshi Nakamoto’s dormant holdings) collectively hold roughly 1.1 million BTC, about 5.5% of the total supply. Top 100 addresses: The 100 largest wallets control approximately 2.9 million BTC, around 14–15% of the circulating supply. “Whale” wallets (>1,000 BTC): There are 2,000–2,100 addresses that each hold at least 1,000 BTC (worth $100+ million apiece). Collectively, these large holders own over 36% of all Bitcoin.

This also assumes that wallets are individual people. Some wallets may be only part of some holdings and the same entity might have multiple addresses.

In the case of Bitcoin if they decide it's not viable and want to sell, there is no negative effect for them once their holdings are gone, should their sale cause a crash. Theat level of control of the market is unheard of. Even looking at the plays on GBP in the past, it was based on much smaller amounts.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 1 pts · 172d (8 replies)

Assuming a world of only rational actors only takes you further away from reality.

hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 172d (7 replies)

Haha, true that. However, I'm pretty sure the whales will act in their interest. Financially or otherwise.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 172d

And you should, but it's foolish to think that the nations will.

SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 9 pts · 172d

If bitcoin is valued at $70k it’s still over valued by $70k.

Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 172d (2 replies)

It's not designed for used as a currency. A block gets mined every ten minutes and can contain only 3000 transactions.

For comparison, Mastercard processes 3000 transactions in 0.15 seconds instead of ten minutes.

Can you imagine being in a store and waiting your payment to be confirmed in 2-3 blocks to avoid double spending

30 minutes to confirm (if paid enough for fees) vs 0.15 seconds

And so much efficient!

To mine one block, the global network consumes approximately 2.5 to 3.0 GWh. 3000 transactions = 1 MWh per transaction

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -3 pts · 172d (1 reply)

That's like the same concern as waiting in the store for two weeks while the bank transfers cash via armored truck to the store's bank. That's not how anything works.

Mastercard and Visa have been threatening to shut down online platforms they don't like, recently they blacklisted a judge from the international justice court for ruling against Israel. And hey, if we suddenly want to release the IBM source code and banking secrets which are the backbone of almost all modern transactions, I'm all for it.

The only reason to use BTC is its adoption rate being so much higher than any other cryptocurrency.

Also, the majority of power wasted is due to competing miners racing to mine the same blocks, which is presumably about to end given the 21M coin limit and the 20M mined so far in 2026.

But let's not pretend to care about the power for digital transactions when we as a collective race are spending terawatts generating AI Porn and writing worthless inaccurate articles.

Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 172d

It is a concern when by design you can literally spend the money again within ten minutes by choosing an higher fee.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 171d

Bitcoin is not a currency. Its design inherently makes it deflationary, i.e. rising in value. This immediately means that people are gonna use it as an investment instead of spending it.

unmagical@lemmy.ml · 134 pts · 172d (4 replies)

U.S. Treasurer Brandon Beach said in a statement that printing Trump’s signature on the American currency “is not only appropriate, but also well deserved.”

The exact opposite of this is true.

MuffinPenguin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 172d (2 replies)

The exact opposite of this is true.

Wait, are you saying that U.S. Treasurer Brandon Beach didn't say this or that it isn't appropriate or well-deserved? /serious

unmagical@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 172d (1 reply)

I was claiming that the treasurer lied.

MuffinPenguin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 172d

Oh okay. Thanks. ^_^

0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 172d

Tanking everything else but the net-worth of his billionaires/buddies is what he stands for.

So obviously they think it's well deserved.

ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 120 pts · 172d (7 replies)

What a great way to ensure all money is defaced and will cost extra to constantly reissue it.

I will be sure to write child fucker under his name on every note I see.

uberdroog@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 172d (4 replies)

How long before the first person dies because the cops try and arrest someone who defaced one.

GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 172d

If that’s the case it better be the cop.

BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 171d (1 reply)

Only technically illegal if it's done with intent to change the face value, advertise commercial services, or to remove it from circulation. Since it's still spendable, not advertising, and we would want these altered bills to continue circulating, it wouldn't be a crime.

It's not going to stop them from harassing the artist though.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 171d

You’re still acting like we have the rule of law in this dictatorship.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 172d

There will be far too many to track.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 172d

Oh yeah, I'm going to vandalize every one that goes through my hands. Traitor, Pedophile, rapist, draw a dick in mouth, coming on his face, etc. And I'm going to take photos of any good ones I see before passing them along.

At first I was pissed about it, but now I'm going to have fun.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 171d

Yeah, it actually gives me an idea for a stamp… Sort of like those “where is George” stamps that people put on $1 bills.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 41 pts · 172d (4 replies)

Pretty sure its illegal but its less illegal than his face on it.

flabbergast@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 172d (3 replies)

"Illegal" never stopped him...

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 19 pts · 172d (1 reply)

You'd be surprised, the courts blocked most of his federal worker firings from DOGE and forced him to renew funding to Medicaid, SNAP, and other federal programs. They've shut down ICE camps before, lots of ongoing cases such as U.S. District Judge Zahid N. Quraishi refusing to even hear the DOJ's case for DHS detaining without warrants or hearings unless all 3 highest level DOJ officers testify under oath.

There has been a lot of capitulation by the courts to the Trump Admin, we haven't been able to prevent ICE building camps for the most part and we weren't able to save USAID, but there has been a lot of resistance as well and I don't think enough credit is given for that.

flabbergast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 172d

Good to know indeed, thanks!

GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 172d

Oh I’m sure they’ll rule it illegal 10 years from now, once those damn bills are circulating everywhere.

FanciestPants@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 172d (4 replies)

What, with like an auto-pen or something?

Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 172d

Right if he hasn't signed it himself it can't be legal tender

RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d (1 reply)

Good night. You won the internet today.

Edit: From the Jerk

https://youtu.be/oHmXja12Vy4

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d

He's a little older than Trump, but I guess aging far better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Martin#Personal_life

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d

Script font off 1001fonts.com

Linktank@lemmy.today · 32 pts · 172d

einlander@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 172d (5 replies)

I might go all in on contactless payment.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 18 pts · 172d (1 reply)

Capitulation to the techbros in advance

MuffinPenguin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 172d

Yes, never forget that those fuckers are in on this too.

In every fascist system, the capitalist elite always buddy up to the ones in power because to not do so threatens that capital and, thus, their wealth.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 172d

I'm thinking gold and those colorful European dollarydoos.

harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 171d

Barter system. Time to go redistribute some farm animals to my garage and learn how to blacksmith.

Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 172d

Just turn them into the bank as counterfeit.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 171d (3 replies)

The Pedodollar

green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 30 pts · 171d (1 reply)

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d

+1...Thank you for using the correct flags too.

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 171d

Epstein dollar

SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 172d (1 reply)

I will redact his name on every one I get.

Stock market tip: BUY stock in sharpies.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 172d

I think the people stating above that they will write things like rapist pedophile and such makes more sense. Basically demands they keep reprinting more and throwing it out costing them much more

Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 172d (5 replies)

Money shouldn't have anyone's signature. Such ugly vanity should be illegal.

pupbiru@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 172d (3 replies)

australia’s notes all have tiny signatures of the governor of the reserve bank, and the secretary to the treasury and have for at least as long as i can remember… i don’t think it’s a vanity thing in that case

jwt@programming.dev · 8 pts · 171d

US also puts the signature of the Secretary of Treasury on it. This was Jacob Lew's:

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 171d

US bills already have the signature of the Treasury Secretary

Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 172d

Yeah i was just thinking this,

Other fun facts there's the poem from a man from snowy River on our 10 dollar note

mcv@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 171d

The signature of the president of the treasury that has always been on the bills had nothing to do with vanity, but with the president of the bank issuing the money guaranteeing the value of the money.

But who is going to trust the value of money guaranteed by Donald Trump?

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 171d

Everything trump touches turns to shit.

The dollar is toast.

Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 172d (1 reply)

Just begging to be defaced.

metallic_substance@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d

I certainly will. I'll start carrying a sharpie wherever I go for the express purpose

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 171d

Make him sign them all manually.

Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 172d (1 reply)

A pedo stamp on every bill. They really want to lose reserve currency status quickly.

green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 171d
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SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 171d (2 replies)

These bills are the first to fuel the fireplace during the Greater Depression.

Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 171d

Make America Great(ly depressed) Again

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d

"Three hundred buys you a sandwich. We have ham or cheese."

https://youtu.be/MCzoTxpwKPM?t=26

Etterra@discuss.online · 13 pts · 172d (8 replies)

Makes me glad I almost never handle cash then.

Though if I do wind up with money with his name scrawled on it I'm gonna take it somewhere to trade it in with some nice, elaborate (but polite) commentary on the Orange graffiti.

baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 172d (1 reply)

real graffiti can be really nice and expressive art

Etterra@discuss.online · 0 pts · 172d

It can be but it's usually just some dipshit scrawling his name on things.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d (5 replies)

Makes me glad I almost never handle cash then.

Was going to say...

Who even carries paper currency on them?

Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 167d

My 74 year old dad lol

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d

I get paid in cash.

DougHolland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d (2 replies)

People who don't necessarily want a public record of their every purchase.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Well... enjoy your TrumpBux

DougHolland@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d

Might tucker out after a few months, but I'll at least start by checking every bill at the bank and asking for exchanges. "Give me currency without that scumbag's signature, please."

Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 172d

FUCK THE PEDODOLLAR

RAPEBUCKS ARE GROSS

Also known as:

Corruption Cabbage

Deadbrain Presidents

TACO Cheddar

Shitbacks

Tiny Ones

Loser Lettuce

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 171d

this is going to devalue the dollar massively

reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 171d

Will it be the same signature that was on the Epstein letter. I hate that.

Or will it be the one from his executive orders. I hate that.

InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 171d (2 replies)

At the rate things are going, it may be cheaper to burn those bills for warmth this coming winter than it will be to pay the electric/gas/oil bills we're going to experience. Just sayin'.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 171d

German hyperinflation might agree with you.

AniZaeger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d

18 U.S.C. § 333 says that's a crime punishable by fines, 6 months in prison, or both. I'm sure they'll probably consider that as 1 count for each piece of currency destroyed. Then they'll tack on more prison time for failure to pay the fines you can't afford because the government made your money worthless. Combine that with the 13th amendment loophole, and you've got yourself a cash cow primed and ready to be milked by the private prisons and staffing agencies of the good ol' US of A.

Ya know, Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" was supposed to have taken in 2026...

W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 171d (1 reply)

God I hate it here.

INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 171d

If it helps, people elsewhere hate it there too.

MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 172d (1 reply)

It is so tragice for our US cousins that they have a spoiled and soiled baby in the Whitehouse.

I'd like to think they won't do this (to the rest of the world) again, but he is already in his second term saying that he will be here for longer.

The world must move away from the Dollar for its own safety.

Toothy@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 171d

Some of your US cousins think things are going to get very 1776 around here if there is impactful election Interference this November.

IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 171d (1 reply)

This whole Iran arc is making me feel like crypto is eventually going to be more legitimate than the US dollar 💀

boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 170d

In a way, some cryptos already are because they're more regulated in how new coins get created whereas the US can just print more dollars at will

WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 172d (4 replies)

So this makes me wonder about legends of demonic possession.

In a sense, it could be said that Donald Trump is not President of the United States, because Donald Trump in a sense doesn't even exist as an individual. Instead, he's essentially a vehicle for his gargantuan ego. He's really just a sort of mindless zombie, lurching from one thing to another as his ego dictates.

Which makes me wonder if that was really the way he would've been seen in a more primitive past - as if the person who should be inside of him had somehow been pushed aside and he was possessed by a ravening demon. And if that's the way that other delusional egomaniacs like him were seen in the past.

flabbergast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d

I'd watch this movie!

voidsignal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 172d (1 reply)

nah. he's just a poor sad old half dead pedo motherfucker

WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 171d

Nobody said he wasn't.

I'm not even really talking about Trump per se - he's just the inspiration. Reading the linked story, and with all of the past similarly insane things he's said and done, it struck me that he almost doesn't even exist as a person. Rather, he's more like just a vehicle for his ego (and, now that you mention it, for his lusts and his delusions). As if, where other people have thoughts and ideas and beliefs, he just has the incessant yammering of his ego (etc.).

And then that in turn got me to wondering if that was part of the origin of myths of demonic possession - if people more or less like him in the past were seen by others the same basic way that I see him - as if whatever personality he should have had has been pushed aside by his overwhelming ego (etc.).

Or in their more primitive interpretation, by a demon.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 171d

This gave me vibes of that recent show "Evil" except it's set in modern times

Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 172d

Sycophants and psychopaths all the way down

merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 171d

Look, this one has the chimp scribble on it!

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 172d

That's one way to destroy the cash economy...

tristynalxander@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 171d (1 reply)
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RidderSport@feddit.org · 1 pts · 171d

In all seriousness, it would be hilarious of that were to happen all pver the country, completely eroding trust in the dollar.

Might I interest you in some juicy Euros?

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 172d (1 reply)

This must be how they plan to sell America on crypto.

trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 171d

Its so transparent it would make a jellyfish jealous

Maeve@kbin.earth · 7 pts · 172d

As if the USD wasn't filthy enough...

MrsVeggies@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 171d

Disgusting. What a narcisist.

kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 172d

Just DEI already

favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 172d
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SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 171d

at $500B a month borrowing, that's a lot of signatures. It will keep him busy.

autumnfallsforbait@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 172d

sure why not just do anything atp

Bwaz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 171d

Eeeww... pubic hair drawn on a dollar bill? Yuck.

DonPiano@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 170d

Step 1: Collect short phrases capturing the dumbest and most heinous things he's done, and manufacture rubber stamps with said phrases.

Step 2:?

Step 3: Profit!

Widdershins@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d

Invest in X-Acto knives and a cutting mat before prices skyrocket

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d

Monarchs and dictators do that kind of shit all the time. It will be known as the former petro dollar.

bagsy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d

how do i fight the urge to burn trump dollars? I love dollars, but i hate trump with the fire of 1000 suns. I'm going to be so confused.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 171d

Trump territory-marks everything.

DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d

wp:United States dollar#Exchange rates

Currency units 1993 2000 2005 2010 2015 2018 2024
Euro 1.0832 0.8033 0.6739 0.9015 0.8504 0.9239
Japanese yen 111.08 107.80 110.11 87.78 121.05 111.130 151.4551
Pound sterling 0.6660 0.6598 0.5493 0.4548 0.6544 0.7454 0.7827
Swiss franc 1.48 1.69 1.15 1.03 1.00 0.98 0.8808
Canadian dollar[109] 1.2902 1.4855 1.2115 1.0298 1.2789 1.2842 1.3699
Chinese Renminbi[113] 5.7620 8.2784 8.1936 6.7696 6.2840 6.383 7.1957

The Euro and Swiss franc are looking strong against the US dollar. The pound is still strong, too.

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/EUR-USD

Euro to United States Dollar

1.1516 (USD-EUR 0.8686)

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/GBP-USD

Pound sterling to United States Dollar (USD-GBP 0.7538)

1.3274

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/CHF-USD

Swiss Franc to United States Dollar (USD-CHF 0.7978)

1.2545

also after a quick search:

https://www.facebook.com/CableCarLounge/

(222 Powell St, San Francisco, CA, United States, California)

billybob@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 171d

We should all wipe our ass with it and then mail it to the White House

SpankyDoodle@eviltoast.org · 2 pts · 171d

Going to have to check all those bills are real and use a sharpie across his sig.

psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 172d (1 reply)

aaaand this is how you get me to put my savings into BTC.

Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 172d

Don't fight stupid with stupid. It's easy to go paperless for most purchases, and if they insist on paper you write a goddamn check with your OWN goddamn signature on it.

florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 62d

On this episode of “imagine if Obama did it”…..

CircaV@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 171d

Aaaaaaaand yet another thing Americans do nothing about.