Wait, they mean the Gravy Seals? The Fattack Squad? The PlaqueToon? The Blood-clot-hounds? The Infantiletry? The Dive Bummers? The Shillitary? The Krispy Kreme Kops? The Out-of-Breathalyzers?
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think we should be telling people it's "Okay" to be morbidly obese. It isn't okay. It's extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don't see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.
Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don't think it's a universal taboo to mock people's appearances.
Body positivity should be "It's okay if you're not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes." Not "It's okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight."
You're not wrong. Id add tho that there's a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they're raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don't do them.
So I don't disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.
I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don't tell alcoholics they don't need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.
I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.
And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.
I think it goes even beyond the addiction metaphor. There are people with genetically broken leptin response whose bodies just don’t know how to make them feel full, ever. Addiction is extremely powerful but so is starvation and you really can’t fault people for having this condition.
i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don't know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.
well, and you don't like overweight people in general?
by all means, hate ice fucks, but if you'd call them fags for whatever reason, i'd throw stuff at you. because using fag as an insult is an attack on me. that is the structure i was talking about. insults that are based on groups are shit if you "don't really" mean to shit on the whole group.
That is an interesting context, and I get what you mean.
Funny though that my gay friends would call them FagBergs if that bothered the ice monsters. They would be all for it, largely because they don't find it insulting to be called fags, lol.
In any case you don't choose if you are gay but you do choose to join ice. If it gets under their skin, I really don't care what you call them.
If you weight 500lbs, it's becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.
Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.
But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.
I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.
Obesity wouldn't be the problem it is if it were just a personal choice. Plenty of people hardly have time for a healthy diet and lots of the quick, cheap, and easy options are calorie dense and addictive. It is very easy to unknowingly eat way too many calories without realizing it.
I won't say I didn't laugh at the joke. I did. But having been fat myself I can say that having people give me shit for my weight would never be helpful. Normalizing body shaming is more likely to create eating disorders and depression than it is to help fat people lose weight.
You don't need to shame fat people to shame Nazis.
There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you're a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.
You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.
I think it's really hard for people living without "food noise" to understand that food noise is real.
Like man, there's pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It's fucking wild.
And there's finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it's expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.
Most people just don't have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.
As someone who has spent the vast portion of their life clinically underweight, oddly, I know exactly what you're describing when you say "food noise".
See, I don't really get hungry like "normal" people do, I usually only realise I've not eaten when I get to the stomach cramps stage. Never have done. I assume it's an artefact of my autism or ADHD. (No, it's not the stims I take as meds either, I wasn't diagnosed till I was 33.)
However, the latest attempt with Mirtazapine to treat the chronic depression has given me an insight I would have lacked otherwise. One of it's side effects is an increased appetite, which manifests exactly how you describe it. Once the dose hits my system, I become very aware of everything in the kitchen, and my brain won't STFU about it.
It's real, and you're not imagining it. Which is all I can offer unfortunately. It's not much, but the validation can be important sometimes. đź’›
But if you deal with a fascist and your insults of choice is about their appearance... wtf are you doing? There is not better insults for fascists? "Hahaha fat" is the choice? And "fat" jokes hit all "fat" people, not only the "morbidly obese". Body dysmorphia is real. People with eating disorders tend to think that they are fat.
Also I haven't seen a lot of mocking of smokers but the number of smokers is going down... lack of mockery is no issue. People just want to be allowed to be cruel.
And where is the mockery for joining ice? Or do we want them to get fit, instead of stop being part of ice?
Likely too much nuance to matter, but in this case, the shame is relative to a fitness expectation for a certain kind of work, not relative to the expectations of wider society.
You do accept that not all body types are appropriate for all occupations, right? Or are you really that far off the performative bleeding heart deep end?
I'm not calling anybody names for being overweight, but im not going to do what OP said either and give anybody a spiel about how we come in all different shapes and sizes. That's not body positivity in this case. Its just lying to someone who needs a lifestyle change.
No one is trying to motivate these shitbags to live a healthier life.
They're pointing out that these people who often claim to be part of "the master race", are some of the worst specimens of humanity, from a multitude of unhealthy angles
i feel like i clarified that enough for someone who never said something remotely in defense of ice.
antifascism that does not care about people they claim to protect (those with bodies that are deemed sub optimal, the "degenerates", the "perverts", the racialized ...) is pointless at best.
there are more insults, not only those that shit on whole groups of people.
B) Let's mock them for being evil, not for being fat. There's actual reasons to hate them, going "oh haha look how fat they are" just hurts regular fat people.
Given the identity ICE agents have of themselves, as a muscular brute standing between civilized Americans and barbaric outsiders, fat-shaming them is reasonable. Also, they don't deserve to be treated as human beings. Even murderers deserve better than ICE agents.
To be fair, regular fat people should be shamed as well. There is an obesity epidemic, and we need to stop accepting it as normal. I'm no telephone pole of a human being myself, but I'd definitely be a lot heavier than I already am if no one ever called me out on my weight. Every fat person needs to be called out. It's a good motivator to be healthier.
Fatshaming is almost never done out of a genuine concern for the person's health, and it's debatable how effective it is at getting people to lose weight. Especially because of how confusing the process is.
Tbh I would feel way worse and demotivated (I'm not morbidly obese but js) but especially If they're already struggling with mental issues then they'll just feel worse about themselves if they're being shamed on top of it all... They'll feel even more anxious or depressed and want to eat to fill that void, so you're really just feeding a feedback loop (depending on the person, of course) and making it worse for them. Unless I am misunderstanding that the usage of "shamed" here means constructive criticism/advice that you are genuinely giving to them. Even then, perhaps they might already know what they need to do, but they aren't making progress and lack the motivation/executive function to do it.
You don't know what their circumstances are, just try to help them out best you can and don't make them feel like shit.
Had a kid tell me "Want a cheeseburger fatty" when I was trying to walk to lose weight. Lost all motivation because of that. So if you shame fat people, you're an asshole making it worse.
I think you may be forgetting the fact that they tend to just shoot people. I can't imagine shooting someone in the back is out of bounds for this fine bunch.
Makes me wonder if ICE agents are so shunned irl as in media.
Also, if they are so vicious, who risks calling them that?
Also, is obesity really that bad in the US? The tourists and people who moved to my country from the US sure carry a bit (or a bit more) extra in most cases, but it can't be that bad, can it?
It is that bad. The Americans who move to or visit Europe need funds and incentive to do that, which does not overlap with the poorest (and fattest) Americans.
If you go visit the US and travel away from the wealthy parts of the country, or if you go to a local tourist attraction that might appeal to a wide variety of locals, you'll get to see more typical people.
The average is just a bit large (more large than in most places, but not crazily so), but you'll also meet quite a few land whales.
There's plenty of videos of people mocking them in airports. Hell they get heckled in the streets, too. They're generally only assaulting people during one of their hit and run abductions.
Two things that shocked me when I visited the us many years ago:
There are so many obese people. I genuinely never seen some fatter than the folks I've seen in the USA. I'm sure they exist, but in 40 years living here in France I have never seen people as fat as some of the Americans I have seen in the few weeks I was there.
Hahaha this is false. I am from the EU, live in the EU, and have travelled all over the EU, and I can categorically and confidently say that there are people this obese in Europe. I have no idea how common this is in the USA, and it probably is way more common than in Europe, but it does happen here too.
It's not diet alone. There are environmental and lifestyle factors as well.
Chemicals that have been outlawed in the EU because they mess with our endocrine systems are still heavily used in the US. Businesses have better representation in Congress than citizens do, so commercial production has far fewer environmental and health regulations in the US.
Walkable cities/towns are rare in the US. Zoning laws in many places put residential properties far away from things like grocery stores and workplaces. The norm for most people is driving (or maybe public transportation if you live in a city that's big enough to support it).
127 Comments
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 201 pts · 144d
Wait, they mean the Gravy Seals? The Fattack Squad? The PlaqueToon? The Blood-clot-hounds? The Infantiletry? The Dive Bummers? The Shillitary? The Krispy Kreme Kops? The Out-of-Breathalyzers?
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 144d
Meal Team 6
knotRyder@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 144d
Paul blarts
islandcoda42@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 143d
The Turd Reich
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 63 pts · 144d
Don’t forget Y’all Quida, that’s my fave even tho I spelled it incorrectly.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 144d
Y'all Qaeda.
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 144d
You rock, thank you for the correction on my lazy spelling attempt :)
valkyre09@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 144d
Girthy Gestapo
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 144d
Gutstapo works
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 144d
Love the intent! Hate the image this conjured in my brain 🤢🤮
mech@feddit.org · 87 pts · 144d
OK, Brownsharts
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 63 pts · 144d
sanbdra@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 143d
icebergs is wild đź’€ internet really never misses with nicknames
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 55 pts · 144d
I'm going to do it even more
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 34 pts · 144d
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 27 pts · 144d
body shaming those you dislike still hits those you like.
Fawkes@lemmy.zip · 52 pts · 144d
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think we should be telling people it's "Okay" to be morbidly obese. It isn't okay. It's extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don't see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.
Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don't think it's a universal taboo to mock people's appearances.
Body positivity should be "It's okay if you're not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes." Not "It's okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight."
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 144d
You're not wrong. Id add tho that there's a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they're raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don't do them.
So I don't disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.
Fawkes@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 144d
I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don't tell alcoholics they don't need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.
I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.
And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
I think it goes even beyond the addiction metaphor. There are people with genetically broken leptin response whose bodies just don’t know how to make them feel full, ever. Addiction is extremely powerful but so is starvation and you really can’t fault people for having this condition.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 143d
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 144d
Nobody said anything about it being okay, just don't use it as an insult/cudgel.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 144d
i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don't know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 144d
We do know the life of these other people, some of the shittiest people of them all or they wouldn't be willing to do this job.
Sorry, they deserve every possible shame they can get.
Edit. They drop the ice, I will drop the berg.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 144d
that's not what i was talking about.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 144d
That is what you said. People I like don't work for ice, and these people clearly do.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 144d
well, and you don't like overweight people in general?
by all means, hate ice fucks, but if you'd call them fags for whatever reason, i'd throw stuff at you. because using fag as an insult is an attack on me. that is the structure i was talking about. insults that are based on groups are shit if you "don't really" mean to shit on the whole group.
choose your insults wisely. :*
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 144d
That is an interesting context, and I get what you mean.
Funny though that my gay friends would call them FagBergs if that bothered the ice monsters. They would be all for it, largely because they don't find it insulting to be called fags, lol.
In any case you don't choose if you are gay but you do choose to join ice. If it gets under their skin, I really don't care what you call them.
Fawkes@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 144d
If you weight 500lbs, it's becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.
Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.
But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.
I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.
CelestialBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 143d
Obesity wouldn't be the problem it is if it were just a personal choice. Plenty of people hardly have time for a healthy diet and lots of the quick, cheap, and easy options are calorie dense and addictive. It is very easy to unknowingly eat way too many calories without realizing it.
I won't say I didn't laugh at the joke. I did. But having been fat myself I can say that having people give me shit for my weight would never be helpful. Normalizing body shaming is more likely to create eating disorders and depression than it is to help fat people lose weight.
You don't need to shame fat people to shame Nazis.
Duranie@leminal.space · 3 pts · 144d
There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you're a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.
You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 144d
I think it's really hard for people living without "food noise" to understand that food noise is real.
Like man, there's pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It's fucking wild.
And there's finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it's expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.
Most people just don't have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.
Fluke@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 143d
As someone who has spent the vast portion of their life clinically underweight, oddly, I know exactly what you're describing when you say "food noise".
See, I don't really get hungry like "normal" people do, I usually only realise I've not eaten when I get to the stomach cramps stage. Never have done. I assume it's an artefact of my autism or ADHD. (No, it's not the stims I take as meds either, I wasn't diagnosed till I was 33.)
However, the latest attempt with Mirtazapine to treat the chronic depression has given me an insight I would have lacked otherwise. One of it's side effects is an increased appetite, which manifests exactly how you describe it. Once the dose hits my system, I become very aware of everything in the kitchen, and my brain won't STFU about it.
It's real, and you're not imagining it. Which is all I can offer unfortunately. It's not much, but the validation can be important sometimes. đź’›
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 143d
Well, the bodyshaming is not limited to "morbidly obese" people. https://slrpnk.net/post/35736444
But if you deal with a fascist and your insults of choice is about their appearance... wtf are you doing? There is not better insults for fascists? "Hahaha fat" is the choice? And "fat" jokes hit all "fat" people, not only the "morbidly obese". Body dysmorphia is real. People with eating disorders tend to think that they are fat.
Also I haven't seen a lot of mocking of smokers but the number of smokers is going down... lack of mockery is no issue. People just want to be allowed to be cruel.
And where is the mockery for joining ice? Or do we want them to get fit, instead of stop being part of ice?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 144d
There are exceptions to every rule. In this case, this is a huge exception.
deacon@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 144d
Likely too much nuance to matter, but in this case, the shame is relative to a fitness expectation for a certain kind of work, not relative to the expectations of wider society.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · -3 pts · 144d
idc :)
Saapas@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 144d
I don't know anyone of that girth
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 144d
So only the people that you know deserve respect? /s
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 144d
I used to be that girthy and would support the sentiment then and now.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 144d
All the fat people I know don’t consider themselves to be cop material, because they aren’t unbelievably stupid like these icebergs.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 144d
then blame cops for being cops.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 144d
You do accept that not all body types are appropriate for all occupations, right? Or are you really that far off the performative bleeding heart deep end?
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 144d
Boooo, wokescolding running defense for fascists.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 144d
Honestly, if you get that big, there's something wrong with you generally, or in my grandmother's case she just never exercised, and ate junk food.
In anycase, body positivity toward that isn't exactly something I would encourage.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 144d
calling names isn't a way to motivate someone to live a healthier live. plus, is it really our responsibility?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 144d
I'm not calling anybody names for being overweight, but im not going to do what OP said either and give anybody a spiel about how we come in all different shapes and sizes. That's not body positivity in this case. Its just lying to someone who needs a lifestyle change.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 144d
hate ice fore being ice. that's the only lifestyle choice we need to criticise. (i'll leave this discussion here.)
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 143d
No one is trying to motivate these shitbags to live a healthier life.
They're pointing out that these people who often claim to be part of "the master race", are some of the worst specimens of humanity, from a multitude of unhealthy angles
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 143d
it. is. not. about. the. cops.
i feel like i clarified that enough for someone who never said something remotely in defense of ice.
antifascism that does not care about people they claim to protect (those with bodies that are deemed sub optimal, the "degenerates", the "perverts", the racialized ...) is pointless at best.
there are more insults, not only those that shit on whole groups of people.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 142d
No, it is about the cops.
Being morbidly obese isn't "suboptimal", it's literally an unhealthy state, and usually a [lifelong series of bad] choice(s).
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 144d
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, nobody cares.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 144d
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 144d
I challenge you to find a single person offended by this who isn't law enforcement or chronically online.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 144d
Fuck these Nazis and I hope they die
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
... unless you dislike people with imperfect bodies.
phr@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 143d
people do seem to take this road.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 144d
Have they tried not being fat fascist fucks?
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 143d
They can be fat and they can be fucks. Just not the thing in the middle.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 143d
But if they are that, I will insult them for all the things.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 143d
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 144d
Call them whatever you want, but this isn't an actual statement from the TSA.
7101334@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 144d
oh phew this clear joke almost fooled me
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
We know, but it's a good way to spread the idea of calling the fat larpers ICEbergs.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 143d
chomp
uenticx@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 144d
This meme would be better just like:
Janx@piefed.social · 12 pts · 143d
It's the same picture?
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 143d
Ugh I feel like I could hear him breathing out of his mouth from 10 feet away.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 142d
Bet he's snoring while he's awake too
ftbd@feddit.org · 22 pts · 144d
MEAL team six?
Angrydeuce@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 144d
Gravy Seals
forestbeasts@pawb.social · 21 pts · 143d
A) Fuck ICE.
B) Let's mock them for being evil, not for being fat. There's actual reasons to hate them, going "oh haha look how fat they are" just hurts regular fat people.
-- Frost
Tenderizer@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 142d
Given the identity ICE agents have of themselves, as a muscular brute standing between civilized Americans and barbaric outsiders, fat-shaming them is reasonable. Also, they don't deserve to be treated as human beings. Even murderers deserve better than ICE agents.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
To be fair, regular fat people should be shamed as well. There is an obesity epidemic, and we need to stop accepting it as normal. I'm no telephone pole of a human being myself, but I'd definitely be a lot heavier than I already am if no one ever called me out on my weight. Every fat person needs to be called out. It's a good motivator to be healthier.
Tenderizer@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 142d
Fatshaming is almost never done out of a genuine concern for the person's health, and it's debatable how effective it is at getting people to lose weight. Especially because of how confusing the process is.
SeventySeven@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 142d
Tbh I would feel way worse and demotivated (I'm not morbidly obese but js) but especially If they're already struggling with mental issues then they'll just feel worse about themselves if they're being shamed on top of it all... They'll feel even more anxious or depressed and want to eat to fill that void, so you're really just feeding a feedback loop (depending on the person, of course) and making it worse for them. Unless I am misunderstanding that the usage of "shamed" here means constructive criticism/advice that you are genuinely giving to them. Even then, perhaps they might already know what they need to do, but they aren't making progress and lack the motivation/executive function to do it.
You don't know what their circumstances are, just try to help them out best you can and don't make them feel like shit.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 142d
Had a kid tell me "Want a cheeseburger fatty" when I was trying to walk to lose weight. Lost all motivation because of that. So if you shame fat people, you're an asshole making it worse.
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 143d
I said the same thing some time ago.
Bodyshaming is cool, I guess...
Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 21 pts · 144d
They prefer “swimming with their shirt on Americans”
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 143d
“Fatberg” it is, then.
Siethron@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 143d
Pedo Gestapo.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 143d
This made me lol.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 144d
The fittest finest.
Only the best.
TheLamb@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 143d
Where are the ICE agents? I just see two gigantic icebergs
LemmyBeYourself@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 144d
POOPBERG it is then
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 144d
I didn't know that was a thing until now. It will now enter my lexicon.
YaGirlAutumn@leminal.space · 11 pts · 143d
to be fair glaciers are probably a more accurate comparison
mastod0n@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 143d
Gravy Seals?
const_void@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 144d
Back of that guys head looks like a pack of hotdogs.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
Dude. He makes that gun look like a toy from the dollar tree.
robocall@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 144d
"You better stop running away from me!"
coalie@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 144d
"You better... huff... stop... puff... running away... from... wheeze... me!"
dermanus@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 143d
"My life was in danger! My heart can't handle chasing him!"
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 143d
hes out of breath just walking a few steps.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 143d
If I'm running from ICE, I hope it's one of these guys chasing me.
chippydingo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 143d
I think you may be forgetting the fact that they tend to just shoot people. I can't imagine shooting someone in the back is out of bounds for this fine bunch.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 143d
Valid, but I doubt these guys are very good shots from a distance. They like to murder their victims up close.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 142d
Nah, they can't find any guns under those bellies đź¤
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 142d
Is it a warning that you give people? Like “there’s an iceberg, right ahead”
betahack@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 144d
well...now we know what's going to sink democracy....icebergs
EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 144d
That's not fair. All of them are cold as .. frozen feces
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 144d
They found the thinnest TSA agent for flattering pictures. BASED!
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 144d
Does that mean if they're married their wives are Titanics?
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Hodor@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 144d
An even bigger stick in the mud
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 144d
Fire ice 🔥🧊
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
I would make them run fast.
TastyWheat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
"I'M FLYING, JACKOFF!"
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 143d
These gents would likely sink the boats on the lake near my house.
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 142d
oh my -giggle-
Sevensolus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Makes me wonder if ICE agents are so shunned irl as in media. Also, if they are so vicious, who risks calling them that? Also, is obesity really that bad in the US? The tourists and people who moved to my country from the US sure carry a bit (or a bit more) extra in most cases, but it can't be that bad, can it?
zemo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
It is that bad. The Americans who move to or visit Europe need funds and incentive to do that, which does not overlap with the poorest (and fattest) Americans.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
If you go visit the US and travel away from the wealthy parts of the country, or if you go to a local tourist attraction that might appeal to a wide variety of locals, you'll get to see more typical people.
The average is just a bit large (more large than in most places, but not crazily so), but you'll also meet quite a few land whales.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 143d
yes its that common. certain "restaurant' chains will have mostly overweight people in it 100% of the time.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 143d
There's plenty of videos of people mocking them in airports. Hell they get heckled in the streets, too. They're generally only assaulting people during one of their hit and run abductions.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 142d
Two things that shocked me when I visited the us many years ago:
There are so many obese people. I genuinely never seen some fatter than the folks I've seen in the USA. I'm sure they exist, but in 40 years living here in France I have never seen people as fat as some of the Americans I have seen in the few weeks I was there.
There are a crazy amount of amputees.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
I'd say we need one for the kids, too. But, if those kids have guns, we should not provoke the sensitive little tykes.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 142d
This body shape just does not really exist over here in Europe. No idea what you would have to eat to get there.
cooligula@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 142d
Hahaha this is false. I am from the EU, live in the EU, and have travelled all over the EU, and I can categorically and confidently say that there are people this obese in Europe. I have no idea how common this is in the USA, and it probably is way more common than in Europe, but it does happen here too.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d
The first one is so fat that they can shoot around his bullet proof west. The west is like a little bullseye on an elephant
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d
It's not diet alone. There are environmental and lifestyle factors as well.
Chemicals that have been outlawed in the EU because they mess with our endocrine systems are still heavily used in the US. Businesses have better representation in Congress than citizens do, so commercial production has far fewer environmental and health regulations in the US.
Walkable cities/towns are rare in the US. Zoning laws in many places put residential properties far away from things like grocery stores and workplaces. The norm for most people is driving (or maybe public transportation if you live in a city that's big enough to support it).
5too@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 142d
Decades of cheaply made food that doesn't trigger your body's "full" response
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 144d
I mean no reason to limit to the obese nowadays ice bergs are smaller than ever.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 142d
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 143d
I dont want this kind of iceberg...
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 142d
TSA: "It is your responsibility to use this information." (smirk)
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 143d
Nah, I got plenty of insults for fascists without needing to stoop to something as crude as body shaming.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 143d
They clearly aren't ashamed of their bodies.
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 143d
Nah, stoop away. It's high brow compared to what these chuds say and do.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 143d
body shamming isnt even a thing, its invented by fat positive people to justify thier unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle.
openhymen@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 143d