Why would I join a fuck AI sub that every day I login is just gonna be like fuck it I fuck AI that just sounds like a complete mental drain no thank you.
ya no shit fuck ai, but I don't need to subject myself to that every time I log in to here, get real dude, not all of us are here just to be angry all the time.
I don't get this argument. Mozilla and Firefox is the best we have. Are they perfect, no, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. They are still a lot better than the alternatives.
It's obviously important to hold Mozilla accountable, but I worry that all the negativity makes people just stick with Chrome or Edge because they think it's all the same.
Its the best we have, given that our standart of "good" is privacy and open-source etc. Otherwise Firefox is just not a great browser. Especially on mobile. And Mozilla keeps making it kinda worse for privacy bit by bit. There isnt really any reason for someone who doesnt care about privacy to usw firefox.
I'll agree that their mobile experience is not great, they don't support tablet layouts for example, but it still has the best support for ad blocking. I consider that essential for the modern internet.
My big concern is that we're repeating the Internet Explorer issue all over again, where the web is coded for it instead of standards. Now Google has the ability to strong arm the Internet by not adopting standards, pushing their preferences, etc. Web sites are being coded coded to run on better on Blink than Gecko so it gets worse all the time. If we give up on Mozilla the Internet will fall even further into the hands of big tech.
There's a lot of people on the Mozilla hate train, and they do deserve a bit of ire for some of their more puzzling decisions. All I wanted from Firefox was a configurable browser with sane defaults, that lets me block ads and does all the normal browser things without being a total black box of corporate telemetry and profiling. To a large degree Firefox has been the best mainstream browser for people who can't dance with the devil and use Chrome. In many aspects, it has made better decisions than Chrome.
With that said, I didn't want Pocket, I didn't want AI, and I'm mildly annoyed that this sort of thing is in the default build. It feels like a windows installer asking you to install 10 additional programs, but the ticked boxes are greyed out. I just want a browser, no crypto wallets, no ai assistants, no built-in mail client, no biometric scanning.
Firefox has been around long enough to have been both god tier and trash tier at different points. I don't think the AI focus is going to go well for Mozilla. I'd like them to focus on browser stuff.
I had an ad in my Firefox settings for "Solo AI Website Creator". It's a product from Mozilla for using AI to build your website. Note that it's not open source, and you must rely on them to host your website (no export functionality, and recurring fees outside a basic free tier).
I agree with you, I wish Mozilla would focus solely on their mission instead of trying to build all these side projects people don't want.
I meeeean…. I kinda agree with you, but where exactly do you expect funding to come from? “Focus only on the browser. That they make no money off. Also stop accepting money from Google.”
Like I get it to an extent, it would be nice. But how exactly is “make no money” a viable business plan?
That's fair. I wouldn't reject money from Google but instead build up an endowment with it for when it eventually disappears. If you can recover your market share (maybe by investing in your browser - the peformance is lagging) then you can also demand more money from Google to set them as default. Finally, Mozilla is a non-profit and I wouldn't be opposed to them just asking for donations, like most non-profits.
It defaults to local models only from what I know. You probably are responding from a device that uses embedded models already. If you are against technology how are you responding?
FR. These features are so easy to disable, when I updated Firefox recently it asked me on next load if I want the features or not... I chose not, no big deal!
'AI' is this generations Justin Bieber / Skrillex. There's plenty to criticise but it's becoming a bandwagon at this point.
To be fair, they edited in the Microslop logo and also the Firefox icon, making a crying fox look like a narcissist hugging it's own image, that is not completely out of blue with their recent shitty decisions
The original article mentions the sabotaging only as historical evidence for a trend of pushing its tech onto people. It is not saying Microsoft is currently doing it specifically to sabotage anyone. Bullshit title.
The original article also mentions several things as fact that are not, and omits other facts, but that’s a different discussion.
In 2020 they fired the entire MDN writing team, slashed the budget, and basically left it in maintainance mode. The same year the foundation decided to drop millions on teaching Africans to code or some shit...
I've got no issues with helping people in need, but even if it's not an embezzlement scheme, this is extremely bad prioritization unless their priority is publicity.
MDN is a proven resource that's helped a lot of people learn to code. How many African translators can you hire for a milion a year, let alone like 8? How many more people would learn to code that way?l
But nah, let's feed money into "partners" that use some experimental teaching methods, while destroying a crucial learning resource because corona made us broke.
Edit: fact checked myself and the corp killed MDN, and they're paying the foundation to do projects like this through royalties.
Thunder* is developed by a separate corporation, they're just both subsidiaries of the mozilla foundation. Also mzla is pretty much financially independent due to individual donations.
Anti-steering stuff again. Besides that I'll always be a bit annoyed with Mozilla both with their design decisions for FirefoxOS and then how much they bungled it. RokuOS is still highly relevant while FirefoxOS descendents are real niche. Firefox is usually the default on Linux distros. Mozilla should have at least been pushing Linux distros that shipped Firefox on laptops/desktops since FirefoxOS was announced
Well, it did once, but it was taken out back and executed quite a while ago. Now it is just "Weekend at Bernie's" time, see Antitrust is right there points to corpse sitting in a chair with a smile on its face
But not everyone is able to (for lack of awareness to alternatives, technical skills, software constraints, work requirements, vendor lock-in, ...). Are those people unworthy of being protected from an evil company's wrongdoing just because they're using the "wrong" OS?
You're basically arguing that corporations can do whatever they please "on their own turf". That's not true as far as user rights, consumer protection and anti-trust laws are concerned. And it shouldn't be.
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TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 376 pts · 122d
Holy shit that image... we need to destroy AI I'm sick of this absolute garbage polluting the web
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 122d
Yes, I agree. Join us over on fuck_AI
killea@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 122d
This is indeed a disturbing universe.
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 122d
Why would I join a fuck AI sub that every day I login is just gonna be like fuck it I fuck AI that just sounds like a complete mental drain no thank you.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 122d
because fuck "AI".
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 122d
ya no shit fuck ai, but I don't need to subject myself to that every time I log in to here, get real dude, not all of us are here just to be angry all the time.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 122d
Fuck AI
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · -12 pts · 122d
To join the circlejerk? No thanks.
Every time I come across a post with the biggest "we hate everything" energy, it is one of fuck_AI.
Even blatant misinformation gets upvoted and shared. As long as it attacks AI.
Same vibe as the anti-Bieber crowd back in the day.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 121d
Did you know that Fuck_AI has been harassing users, making alts to spam and harass people?
But they're the good guys, telling others to kill themselves!
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 122d
Image? The entire site feels ai guided.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 122d
The image isn't even used in the article, 100% it's a ragebait tactic for clicks.
TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 122d
It has been right add the top of the page, it looks like they changed it.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 122d
Almost as bad as people.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 218 pts · 122d
Here's the original article from Mozilla instead of this third-party AI slop regurgitating it.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 122 pts · 122d
Fuck off with this AI bullshit
Monkey@piefed.social · 110 pts · 122d
ai;dr
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 121d
oh wow. someone's actually using this.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 122d
Windows forcing their own propriatary software as a means to destroy competing web browsers? Is it 1997 already?
Tharkys@lemmy.wtf · 54 pts · 122d
I don't think Microslop really needs to sabotage Firefox. Firefox is doing a really good job of shooting their own selves in the foot.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
I don't get this argument. Mozilla and Firefox is the best we have. Are they perfect, no, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. They are still a lot better than the alternatives.
It's obviously important to hold Mozilla accountable, but I worry that all the negativity makes people just stick with Chrome or Edge because they think it's all the same.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
Its the best we have, given that our standart of "good" is privacy and open-source etc. Otherwise Firefox is just not a great browser. Especially on mobile. And Mozilla keeps making it kinda worse for privacy bit by bit. There isnt really any reason for someone who doesnt care about privacy to usw firefox.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
I'll agree that their mobile experience is not great, they don't support tablet layouts for example, but it still has the best support for ad blocking. I consider that essential for the modern internet.
My big concern is that we're repeating the Internet Explorer issue all over again, where the web is coded for it instead of standards. Now Google has the ability to strong arm the Internet by not adopting standards, pushing their preferences, etc. Web sites are being coded coded to run on better on Blink than Gecko so it gets worse all the time. If we give up on Mozilla the Internet will fall even further into the hands of big tech.
njordomir@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 122d
There's a lot of people on the Mozilla hate train, and they do deserve a bit of ire for some of their more puzzling decisions. All I wanted from Firefox was a configurable browser with sane defaults, that lets me block ads and does all the normal browser things without being a total black box of corporate telemetry and profiling. To a large degree Firefox has been the best mainstream browser for people who can't dance with the devil and use Chrome. In many aspects, it has made better decisions than Chrome.
With that said, I didn't want Pocket, I didn't want AI, and I'm mildly annoyed that this sort of thing is in the default build. It feels like a windows installer asking you to install 10 additional programs, but the ticked boxes are greyed out. I just want a browser, no crypto wallets, no ai assistants, no built-in mail client, no biometric scanning.
Firefox has been around long enough to have been both god tier and trash tier at different points. I don't think the AI focus is going to go well for Mozilla. I'd like them to focus on browser stuff.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 122d
3 out of those 4 are not even a thing in firefox
festus@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 122d
I had an ad in my Firefox settings for "Solo AI Website Creator". It's a product from Mozilla for using AI to build your website. Note that it's not open source, and you must rely on them to host your website (no export functionality, and recurring fees outside a basic free tier).
I agree with you, I wish Mozilla would focus solely on their mission instead of trying to build all these side projects people don't want.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 121d
I meeeean…. I kinda agree with you, but where exactly do you expect funding to come from? “Focus only on the browser. That they make no money off. Also stop accepting money from Google.”
Like I get it to an extent, it would be nice. But how exactly is “make no money” a viable business plan?
festus@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 121d
That's fair. I wouldn't reject money from Google but instead build up an endowment with it for when it eventually disappears. If you can recover your market share (maybe by investing in your browser - the peformance is lagging) then you can also demand more money from Google to set them as default. Finally, Mozilla is a non-profit and I wouldn't be opposed to them just asking for donations, like most non-profits.
Jaegeras@piefed.social · 1 pts · 121d
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 122d
Nah, mozilla sabotaged firefox.
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 122d
Por qué no los dos.
darthsundhaft@piefed.social · 29 pts · 122d
Mozilla could have had a foothold but they literally added AI into Firefox, so idk how far they're gonna get.
timewarp@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 122d
It defaults to local models only from what I know. You probably are responding from a device that uses embedded models already. If you are against technology how are you responding?
Transcendant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 122d
FR. These features are so easy to disable, when I updated Firefox recently it asked me on next load if I want the features or not... I chose not, no big deal!
'AI' is this generations Justin Bieber / Skrillex. There's plenty to criticise but it's becoming a bandwagon at this point.
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 28 pts · 122d
Mozilla are perfectly capable of sabotaging themselves, thank you.
Yurgenst@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 122d
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus · 22 pts · 122d
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 121d
They get very loud and really don't shut up, do they? Gotta just scream 24/7 about how much they hate it.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 122d
To be fair, they edited in the Microslop logo and also the Firefox icon, making a crying fox look like a narcissist hugging it's own image, that is not completely out of blue with their recent shitty decisions
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 121d
What's up with the AI slop image for this post?
Also, Mozilla is destroying Firefox by themselves, they don't need help from m$
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 122d
The original article mentions the sabotaging only as historical evidence for a trend of pushing its tech onto people. It is not saying Microsoft is currently doing it specifically to sabotage anyone. Bullshit title.
The original article also mentions several things as fact that are not, and omits other facts, but that’s a different discussion.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 122d
Given the image,i wouldn’t be at all surprised if the article were just AI
jojowakaki@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 122d
Was the image generated with copilot?
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 122d
firefox really shouldnt be our only line of defence for decent browser..
ICastFist@programming.dev · 13 pts · 122d
Ah yes, I'm sure it was microslop who decided to make firefox add an AI the community voted against
bobo@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 122d
Did they also force them to kill MDN, buy pocket, or funnel 99% of the foundation's budget on everything that's not Firefox?
Edit: fact checked myself and the budget part is completely incorrect. The foundation just leeches on the corporation through yearly royalties.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 122d
What's this about killing MDN?
bobo@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 122d
In 2020 they fired the entire MDN writing team, slashed the budget, and basically left it in maintainance mode. The same year the foundation decided to drop millions on teaching Africans to code or some shit...
demonsword@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 122d
this would be a very good use of money, if the money actually reached the target audience
bobo@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 122d
I've got no issues with helping people in need, but even if it's not an embezzlement scheme, this is extremely bad prioritization unless their priority is publicity.
MDN is a proven resource that's helped a lot of people learn to code. How many African translators can you hire for a milion a year, let alone like 8? How many more people would learn to code that way?l
But nah, let's feed money into "partners" that use some experimental teaching methods, while destroying a crucial learning resource because corona made us broke.
Edit: fact checked myself and the corp killed MDN, and they're paying the foundation to do projects like this through royalties.
Teppa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 122d
Thundermail seems cool at least, as an encrypted email service.
bobo@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 122d
Thunder* is developed by a separate corporation, they're just both subsidiaries of the mozilla foundation. Also mzla is pretty much financially independent due to individual donations.
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/10/state-of-the-bird-2024-25/
You can send e2ee emails with thunderbird.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 121d
Downvoting for unsolicited AI slop on my feed.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
It would've been cool if they used Blender for the lil' guy. 🥺
Sunny@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 121d
The only thing destroying Firefox is Mozilla themselves.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 121d
too drunk on that google money.
network_switch@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 122d
Anti-steering stuff again. Besides that I'll always be a bit annoyed with Mozilla both with their design decisions for FirefoxOS and then how much they bungled it. RokuOS is still highly relevant while FirefoxOS descendents are real niche. Firefox is usually the default on Linux distros. Mozilla should have at least been pushing Linux distros that shipped Firefox on laptops/desktops since FirefoxOS was announced
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 122d
Firefox makes a good fork base anyway
network_switch@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 122d
Deja vu
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 121d
When Windows lets me make Dolphin the default file manager I'll believe they don't have a right to force people to use whatever product they wish.
0x0@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 122d
Not fair! Mozilla can self-sabotage without the help of Microslop, thank you very much!
garbage_world@lemmy.world · -27 pts · 122d
ratsnake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 122d
lost_faith@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 122d
Well, it did once, but it was taken out back and executed quite a while ago. Now it is just "Weekend at Bernie's" time, see Antitrust is right there points to corpse sitting in a chair with a smile on its face
ratsnake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 122d
lost_faith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 122d
There are, yes, I live in one. What ever happened to breaking up Micoslop?
ratsnake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 122d
IratePirate@feddit.org · 4 pts · 122d
"You're on my property, I'm allowed to shoot you here."
While these "ethics" do exist, they're extremely niche. So don't pretend yours aren't.
garbage_world@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 122d
nyan@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 122d
If your employer is forcing it on you, chances are you never even saw the TOS.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 4 pts · 122d
Personally, I don't.
But not everyone is able to (for lack of awareness to alternatives, technical skills, software constraints, work requirements, vendor lock-in, ...). Are those people unworthy of being protected from an evil company's wrongdoing just because they're using the "wrong" OS?
You're basically arguing that corporations can do whatever they please "on their own turf". That's not true as far as user rights, consumer protection and anti-trust laws are concerned. And it shouldn't be.