The Philippines were named after a Spanish king, King Phillip, or Felippe in Spanish. Given that the country was first controlled by the Spanish for ages, then the Americans, I'm guessing that at first the Spanish name for both the people and the territory was used, but when the Americans took over, the English-ified name of the territory was used, while the Spanish name for the people stuck as colonial powers use the name for the territory more often? Perhaps the Filipino diaspora also plays a role in this. I don't know, just my guess.
And is pronounced "Pilipino" by most Filipinos. But my Filipino wife, who grew up in South Carolina, had a friend who said "Flippin-o". So that's what we say now, lol.
That's not because of the spelling but because of the language. Just like Indonesian, the language doesn't distinguish between f and p, because they're basically the same letter (one is a plosive and one is a fricative but that's it). In Indonesian you'll hear fancake and coppee, for example.
I knew a Pilipino family that seemed to pronounce it both ways.
I tend to think it’s due to those around them. Like this kid I knew from school who came from the UK; with us as his friends, he had an American accent like the rest of us. But as soon as he talked to his parents or his sister, he had this heavy English accent. He seemed to be aware of it but had no control over it.
My point is if you want to hurt Google advertising for them hoping they lose the trademark is not going to do it. Naming whatever alternative search engine you used to spread awareness is much more effective.
Kaging is bad for French people, and especially Occitan in the south, as caguer (loosely translated to caging in English) means "to take a dump." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caguer
Hey Filipino here - i honestly don't know the answer (or maybe I'm too old to remember my history class) but as per Wikipedia
The name Filipino, as a demonym, was derived from the term las Islas Filipinas 'the Philippine Islands', the name given to the archipelago in 1543 by the Spanish explorer and Dominican priest Ruy López de Villalobos, in honor of Philip II of Spain.
Because the English language is rife with tradition that makes the language intentionally more complicated.
I have postulated for years that you can just get rid of ph from the language entirely and it will make absolutely no difference in how we say the words.
I think most of those "this is how the locals say it" things are clinging to a fading past. My favorite was a Kitchen Nightmares episode where the owner tells Gordon Ramsay that New Orleans is pronounced "Naw-Lins" (with some drawl, not sure how to write that exactly), but every other time before and after, he says "New Orleans".
I grew up near Baltimore, which people variously insisted should be "Bee-mer", "Balmer" or... A couple others. The only one I've seen actually play out is residents of NYC primarily referring to it as "The City", but that one is also pretty normal, so it makes sense that it would survive.
Kansas is named for the Kaw People Native American Nation (or Kanza) and Arkansas is named for the Quapaw Nation. Algonquian-speaking people originally referred to the Quapaw as "Akansa". French fur traders called them Arcansas.
I assume Houston Street is named after a man that pronounced his name House-ton. Houston the city was named for Sam Houston, the first President of the Republic of Texas. He pronounced it Hews-ton, so that's what we call it.
Canton was originally the transliterated name for the province of Guangdong, which is why the language is called Cantonese in English, from guǎngdōnghuà.
The name Canton being applied to Guangzhou came later.
Two things: Competing colonial interests and the orthographic differences between Spanish and English
The Spanish Empire took control of the Philippines and named the named the islands Las Islas Filipinas or just Las Filipinas which is still today used in Spanish to this day. It was named for the Spanish king at the time of the conquest: Rey Felipe II. Why the change from FE-lipe to FI-lipinas? I don't know.
Towards the end of the 1800s, The Spanish Empire is crumbling and their last remaining territories (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam and Las Filipinas) is taken by the USA. The US changes the name to the English-inflected The Philippines because English for, some reason, uses to two "F" sounds: "F" and "PH." Spanish only has one: "F."
Actually, the G in GPU stands for Giraffe. Hardware has gotten quite sophisticated over the years, and are no longer optimized for rendering triangles. If you can render a giraffe you can render anything.
Gotta say, pronouncing it as /dʒɪf/ is just top tier trolling. Everyone knows that /ɡɪf/ is the only one that actually makes sense, but some people intentionally choose to pronouns it wrong anyway. Steve Wilhite saw an opportunity to leave his mark on the world by trolling the hell out of everything, so he took it. Who could resist an opportunity like that.
The guy who created gif says jif, so that one, for starters. I'm sure you say CD-ROM in a way that rhymes with rom-com (side note, rom is wrongly a short O here too) with a short O, yet ROM stands for Read Only Memory. Or do you say See Dee Rome? Maybe with a Spanish background, but not English. Similar with PIN, I for identification but no one says pine. GIMP photo software stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program. Whether you say Gee Enn Yoo or GNU, GIMP isn't said a way that matches. The G in GLaDOS is for genetic. PAL (TV) is for Phase Alternating Line. PHAT, pretty hot and attractive. 50% of any time a Q is involved.
The exceptions likely have etymological explanations. Note that they're exceptions -- the norm is that word-initial G make a G sound and not a J sound.
When we steal a word and its spelling from another language, that's how we get exceptions.
When someone invents a word and changes the rules, that's how we spot a troll.
JPEG. Joint Photographic Experts Group. SCUBA. If it followed the pronunciation of the component words it would sound like "scubba". LASER. That's just off the top of my head.
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sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 83 pts · 130d
The Philippines were named after a Spanish king, King Phillip, or Felippe in Spanish. Given that the country was first controlled by the Spanish for ages, then the Americans, I'm guessing that at first the Spanish name for both the people and the territory was used, but when the Americans took over, the English-ified name of the territory was used, while the Spanish name for the people stuck as colonial powers use the name for the territory more often? Perhaps the Filipino diaspora also plays a role in this. I don't know, just my guess.
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 59 pts · 130d
Phuck if I know.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 130d
Who nos!?
funesto@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 130d
And is pronounced "Pilipino" by most Filipinos. But my Filipino wife, who grew up in South Carolina, had a friend who said "Flippin-o". So that's what we say now, lol.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 130d
"Flippin-o" sounds like if a kids show tried to create a fake curse word, so they could curse on air, without being fined by the FCC.
It's all a bunch of smoo!
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 130d
That's not because of the spelling but because of the language. Just like Indonesian, the language doesn't distinguish between f and p, because they're basically the same letter (one is a plosive and one is a fricative but that's it). In Indonesian you'll hear fancake and coppee, for example.
NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com · 2 pts · 130d
I knew a Pilipino family that seemed to pronounce it both ways.
I tend to think it’s due to those around them. Like this kid I knew from school who came from the UK; with us as his friends, he had an American accent like the rest of us. But as soon as he talked to his parents or his sister, he had this heavy English accent. He seemed to be aware of it but had no control over it.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 44 pts · 130d
English, misspelling and never admitting mistakes go hand in hand.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 130d
Don't forget 'far too inconvenient to correct now'
schwim@piefed.zip · 30 pts · 130d
I had no idea either but I did find this while Googling(Kagi-ing?)
https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/04/why-is-filipino-spelled-with-an-f.html
valek879@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 130d
Back in my day we used to call it "searching"
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 130d
Here's a Nintendo game. It's Halo for the Xbox360.
Archer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 130d
People that use Kagi are the Harvard grads of search engine users
Zier@fedia.io · 4 pts · 130d
You could easily replace 'googling' to 'Interneting'.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 8 pts · 130d
Instead of googling, I say searching it up
Bazoogle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 130d
'Interneting' does not suggest using a search engine
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 129d
If “Googling” falls into common usage to cover all web search, Alphabet lose their trademark protection…
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 129d
"Kleenex" being more common than "facial tissue" is not hurting the Kleenex brand at all.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 128d
Kleenex has not reached the stage where they’ve lost the trademark. Also everyone I know just says tissue.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 128d
My point is if you want to hurt Google advertising for them hoping they lose the trademark is not going to do it. Naming whatever alternative search engine you used to spread awareness is much more effective.
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 1 pts · 129d
Kaging is bad for French people, and especially Occitan in the south, as caguer (loosely translated to caging in English) means "to take a dump." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caguer
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 129d
Use a better search like Bing or duckduckgo. googol sucks and was never any good.
heyfrancis@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 130d
Hey Filipino here - i honestly don't know the answer (or maybe I'm too old to remember my history class) but as per Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 129d
that doesn't answer the question of why F vs PH
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 129d
When it became a US colony they changed it.
That was printed on maps. The people still referred to themselves with the original spelling.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 129d
so King Philip named it Filip? and then Americans named it Philip? wat
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 128d
King Felipe in Spanish.
Philip in English.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
Philip is the English spelling of the name.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 129d
Because the English language is rife with tradition that makes the language intentionally more complicated.
I have postulated for years that you can just get rid of ph from the language entirely and it will make absolutely no difference in how we say the words.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 129d
Hey phuck that!
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d
Exactly!
Alberat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
It's unphathomable!
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
I have some phriends who's name starts with "ph" who would be phucking pissed at a change like this!
expatriado@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 130d
it was an Spanish colony for 300 years, Filipino is the Spanish spelling, and probably stuck, in English would have been "Philippine"
saltesc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 130d
I always remember the 'pp' by imagining it as some suburban estate. "Philip Pines"
purrtastic@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 130d
That is exactly what I do.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 130d
Does your brain also say it with the same voice as "Reticulating Splines" from SimCity?
bright@piefed.social · 23 pts · 130d
How did this question never occur to me before? Now i need to know the answer too
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 129d
Why is Kansas, "cansus", while Arkansas is "R-cansaw"?
Glytch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 129d
America explain!
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 129d
I have a relative in NJ who says Arkansas like Kansas with the hard S. He says it's a local thing but I think he's just trying to be different.
Evade5415@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 129d
That's what I learned to call it growing up in Kansas.
OCATMBBL@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
I grew up in NJ and I have never heard anyone say it that way unironically.
prime_number_314159@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
I think most of those "this is how the locals say it" things are clinging to a fading past. My favorite was a Kitchen Nightmares episode where the owner tells Gordon Ramsay that New Orleans is pronounced "Naw-Lins" (with some drawl, not sure how to write that exactly), but every other time before and after, he says "New Orleans".
I grew up near Baltimore, which people variously insisted should be "Bee-mer", "Balmer" or... A couple others. The only one I've seen actually play out is residents of NYC primarily referring to it as "The City", but that one is also pretty normal, so it makes sense that it would survive.
Evade5415@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 129d
Kansas is named for the Kaw People Native American Nation (or Kanza) and Arkansas is named for the Quapaw Nation. Algonquian-speaking people originally referred to the Quapaw as "Akansa". French fur traders called them Arcansas.
I grew up in Kansas and we called it Ar-kansas.
dogzilla@masto.deluma.biz · 1 pts · 128d
@Evade5415 @nostupidquestions We should rename Kansas to Ur-Kansas. You know, to avoid confusion.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 129d
Why is Houston "hew-stown" while Houston is "house-ton"
Triasha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
I assume Houston Street is named after a man that pronounced his name House-ton. Houston the city was named for Sam Houston, the first President of the Republic of Texas. He pronounced it Hews-ton, so that's what we call it.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 130d
Lol
Guangzhou is spelled with the Pinyin
But the local language is not called "Guangzhouese", its Cantonese, but the city is not called "Canton"
lmao
Also: Petition to rename my city to "Filadelfia" 🤭
scutiger@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 130d
Canton was originally the transliterated name for the province of Guangdong, which is why the language is called Cantonese in English, from guǎngdōnghuà.
The name Canton being applied to Guangzhou came later.
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 129d
Two things: Competing colonial interests and the orthographic differences between Spanish and English
The Spanish Empire took control of the Philippines and named the named the islands Las Islas Filipinas or just Las Filipinas which is still today used in Spanish to this day. It was named for the Spanish king at the time of the conquest: Rey Felipe II. Why the change from FE-lipe to FI-lipinas? I don't know.
Towards the end of the 1800s, The Spanish Empire is crumbling and their last remaining territories (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam and Las Filipinas) is taken by the USA. The US changes the name to the English-inflected The Philippines because English for, some reason, uses to two "F" sounds: "F" and "PH." Spanish only has one: "F."
MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 130d
My issue with gif and graphical
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 12 pts · 130d
They're the same G.
MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 130d
J-spot
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 130d
Gotta buy a new JPU for better Jrafix
MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 130d
Aint nothin but a J thang baby
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 130d
Actually, the G in GPU stands for Giraffe. Hardware has gotten quite sophisticated over the years, and are no longer optimized for rendering triangles. If you can render a giraffe you can render anything.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 130d
Gotta say, pronouncing it as /dʒɪf/ is just top tier trolling. Everyone knows that /ɡɪf/ is the only one that actually makes sense, but some people intentionally choose to pronouns it wrong anyway. Steve Wilhite saw an opportunity to leave his mark on the world by trolling the hell out of everything, so he took it. Who could resist an opportunity like that.
Davel23@fedia.io · 3 pts · 130d
Just remind yourself that the pronunciation of an acronym is completely unrelated to the pronunciation of the component words.
MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 130d
Example?
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 130d
The guy who created gif says jif, so that one, for starters. I'm sure you say CD-ROM in a way that rhymes with rom-com (side note, rom is wrongly a short O here too) with a short O, yet ROM stands for Read Only Memory. Or do you say See Dee Rome? Maybe with a Spanish background, but not English. Similar with PIN, I for identification but no one says pine. GIMP photo software stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program. Whether you say Gee Enn Yoo or GNU, GIMP isn't said a way that matches. The G in GLaDOS is for genetic. PAL (TV) is for Phase Alternating Line. PHAT, pretty hot and attractive. 50% of any time a Q is involved.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 129d
I'm not going to believe a troll. He's just seeing if he get away with fucking with people
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 129d
Get down from your giant giraffe and ride a high horse like everyone else. Or do you say "high" with a "g" like "gift"?
otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 129d
The exceptions likely have etymological explanations. Note that they're exceptions -- the norm is that word-initial G make a G sound and not a J sound.
When we steal a word and its spelling from another language, that's how we get exceptions.
When someone invents a word and changes the rules, that's how we spot a troll.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 129d
So what you're saying is the creator of a word can define its pronunciation that supercedes the current language's rules?
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 130d
FBI In not I like pie CIA Same SCUBA u like you, not I u like under
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d
Scuba rhyming with bubba is peak.
Theatomictruth@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 130d
FBI And CIA are initialisms not acronyms
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 130d
True, but the point still applies. Lol, fomo, etc. I'd.say it applies to more than it doesn't.
Davel23@fedia.io · 1 pts · 130d
JPEG. Joint Photographic Experts Group. SCUBA. If it followed the pronunciation of the component words it would sound like "scubba". LASER. That's just off the top of my head.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 130d
But the f is for format
brownsugga@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 130d
Probably something to do with Tagalog vs English, and the English named the Philippines
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · -4 pts · 130d
The only relevant spelling is the original language.
What foreigners are doing in their languages has no meaning. You can spell it however you like, change it every year etc.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 130d
Do you mean Spanish or Tagalog?
jdr@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 130d
Proto-Austronesian
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 130d
That would be latin ? I'm pretty sure that's where "Phillipines" originates.
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 130d
Greek name meaning he who likes horses, the name of Alexander the great's father, then a Spanish King's who colonized the islands.
Therefore actually spelled with a Φ and the issue being different transliterations of it.