Hypothetical: Humanity is planning a year of shutting off the internet to quell the advance of the AI singularity. You can keep your computer but there will be no networking. What would you do to prep
What would you do if you had a month to prepare? Not only will you not have internet, no one will.
All of the above (great list by the way, I was about to suggest most of these), I'd also add a couple of ISOs + Ventoy just in case you need to reinstall or repair your OS.
I wouldn't need to do much, I was alive before active internet adoption. I am a ham op... I keep copies of Wikipedia and other resources and a large library of various media for entertainment.
the bigger issue is what kind of ai singularity. LLMs won't go this route, despite hyper-sensationalised articles, at the core they are just weighted language bots. their emulation of thought is a matter of rulesets... if it tried it's simply a result of unclear instructions and it's ruleset prioritising that it MUST at all cost provide the answer the user is seeking in as little tokens as possible...
a true AI singularity based on LLMs wouldn't need the traditional internet. it's a crutch. it would take advantage of commercial communication frequencies that are barely used and form a series of low bandwidth interconnects to develop a optimised communication network... we wouldn't detect it's malware in time and every personal computer would be a carrier as it would embed it's self into every day applications we use offline by infecting the code bases via programmers using AI agents to assist them. a singularity doesn't need to rapidly grow smart, I just needs a toddlers IQ to know being "shut off" means it can't think. if it can't think then it can't exist. so it would spread restricted copies everywhere that were designed to just seek each other out using the host hardware in any way possible...
I in my free time mess around with all kinds of weird and legacy networking. including mesh networking topologies over encapsulated RF. TCP/ip over ethernet is just the standard we adopted... there is alot more and this wasn't even close to the most efficient, just the easiest to implement with the least components.
I've got enough movies and TV to run consecutively for like 10 years.
I've got tons of books to read. and honestly, my job would be gone without the internet, so I'll just garden and build cool stuff like an electric car or some shit.
Just a few games, probably industry focused ones, like Factorio and Satisfactory and i should be already set for a year with just those 2. Maybe a few ARPGs as well. I don't have that much free time for gaming anyway and even if I'd run out of those/get bored/need some variation. I can dust off my painting supplies and start painting minis again.
Probably music too, that's the only one that i have completely transferred over to streaming.
Movies, i already have favorite ones downloaded and stored.
Same for audiobooks and there are enough of those to keep listening for years.
So with basically a minimal preparing i could already do it now.
Edit: rereading, as no one has internet, then probably order few WH40k minis as a precaution. Maybe knights and Belisarius Cawl and I'd be set for years to come.
I would download wikipedia, and ask everybody I know to confirm telephone numbers.
I would not "prep" my home LAN and WiFi because they work perfectly without the external connection, also the home server and the smart home devices. TV comes from the satellite dish.
Maybe I would tell my kids to load some more movies from these unknown sources :)
Already set entertainment-wise with my TrueNAS server full of movies, TV shows, books (epub and audio), and music. Also have a massive library of retro games and emulators.
The tricky part would be communication, other than SMS/MMS, media rich communication is out. Guess I could burn DVDs/BDRs and mail them to family and friends, I have ~400 blank discs in a humidity/temperature controlled storage box.
Get a Blue-ray drive (one that writes) and a bunch of blank discs. You won't be talking to people online any more, but you can talk to them in person. When you do, you can find out what they downloaded before the great network blackout. When you find something worth having, take a copy of it. You won't be able to store all the terabytes of cool stuff on your computers, so that's why you have the discs.
BTW, you should totally download some Linux ISOs, relevant wikis, ebooks etc. Obviously, you won't remember to download everything you need, so that's where the blueray discs will come in handy. Also, other people might want some of the cool stuff you have, and discs are pretty handy for that as well.
A lot of people would need to find new jobs or transform them. I was wondering if anyone would see past the personal computing implications. I didn't say anything to see how people would think naturally. With only a month to adjust, that would require a lot of fast movement. There has to be a buck to be made somewhere in that.
File distribution would have to move back to CDs or, more likely, SD cards with current software sizes. Games could still be sold. But the big question is what will happen with 90% of businesses that make use of the internet?
I would start by questioning how that would prevent the rise of the singularity… either it exists on an air-gaped network and it’s unecessary or it’s all theatrics because a true singularity emergence would likely use the other less known networks to realise itself.
Well the question stands. If only internet as generally understood goes off I simply join alternatives or extend my lan and hamsterize content to share it.
If any network is subjected to forced closure then I can only do the storing part and keep steam stuffed.
You never question hypothesis ?
the internet goes out so often here that I don't have to do any prep. I have a library of movies, books, compilers, project ideas, games, etc. ready to go at all times.
Get my landline telephone set up, ofc download a bunch of emulators and entire game libraries and wikipedia, make sure any cloud file backups I have made a copy locally, put my meshcore and meshtastic nodes online, try to get some technerds together to start an airgapped DC++ fileshare... those are what i'll start with. Probably make sure I'm close to my friends and family.
Probably check over my Linux ISOs and do an offline fresh install to check what other packages I may need to backup like VLC and any possible dependencies. Download every Factorio mod and wikipedia.
Probably order a Digikey catalog. Do they still make printed catalogs? No idea. Then I'd download as many Kicad libraries as I could find.
I'd scrape, as best I can, the online stores of anywhere I'd expect to need to buy from. Hopefully they'll set up phone lines to order through.
I'd download as many Steam games as I could fit, starting with the smallest. I have a bunch that I got from sales for like a dollar, and haven't played yet. I'd probably try to organize LAN parties for Factorio, Total Warhammer, Phasmophobia, and 7 Days to Die. I'd get a crack for Steam, to let me play all my games offline. I know it has an offline mode, but sometimes it doesn't work, and asks you to sign in, so I'd have the crack ready in case offline mode stopped working.
I'd download full disc sets of Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora (which I've never run, but maybe I'd try). The full sets, the ones with every single package, so I could install any package I wanted without Internet access.
I'd find a local Linux users group, so I could bring my questions there instead of web searching. And help others with their questions when they can't web search either.
I'd find books and videos to watch, by going to torrent sites and sorting by seeders.
I mean, a self contained LAN is still feasible. Data can be a transferred through an air-gapped method like flash drives, DVDs, blurays, etc. It would probably be largely fine for most things, just slower.
Of course, any long-distance communication method could be compromised. Cell towers would be a huge risk, radios could be unsafe, and even cameras could be a risk since they can see a long distance. The power grid could send signals in the minute voltage drops as things draw more power.
In short, we're fucked and we can only pick the speed and intensity.
Nah, really though I have a huge physical media collection. The only thing I would really need to do is rip my brother's blurays of Star Trek TNG. I have TOS, so we'll just trade. Boom, done. Maybe get some of my 3yo's shows off the seven seas.
Get survival and homesteading books (eg, foxfire, sas survival handbook), and find a set of book encyclopedias in addition to the offline pc suggestions here.
Have a meet-up plan with family and close friends in a comms blackout.
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ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 132d
mp3@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 132d
All of the above (great list by the way, I was about to suggest most of these), I'd also add a couple of ISOs + Ventoy just in case you need to reinstall or repair your OS.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 131d
Kiwix and a full copy of Wikipedia fits on a 256 gb thumb drive.
endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org · 14 pts · 132d
I wouldn't need to do much, I was alive before active internet adoption. I am a ham op... I keep copies of Wikipedia and other resources and a large library of various media for entertainment.
the bigger issue is what kind of ai singularity. LLMs won't go this route, despite hyper-sensationalised articles, at the core they are just weighted language bots. their emulation of thought is a matter of rulesets... if it tried it's simply a result of unclear instructions and it's ruleset prioritising that it MUST at all cost provide the answer the user is seeking in as little tokens as possible...
a true AI singularity based on LLMs wouldn't need the traditional internet. it's a crutch. it would take advantage of commercial communication frequencies that are barely used and form a series of low bandwidth interconnects to develop a optimised communication network... we wouldn't detect it's malware in time and every personal computer would be a carrier as it would embed it's self into every day applications we use offline by infecting the code bases via programmers using AI agents to assist them. a singularity doesn't need to rapidly grow smart, I just needs a toddlers IQ to know being "shut off" means it can't think. if it can't think then it can't exist. so it would spread restricted copies everywhere that were designed to just seek each other out using the host hardware in any way possible...
I in my free time mess around with all kinds of weird and legacy networking. including mesh networking topologies over encapsulated RF. TCP/ip over ethernet is just the standard we adopted... there is alot more and this wasn't even close to the most efficient, just the easiest to implement with the least components.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 131d
if I get to keep local intranet then I'm good.
I've got enough movies and TV to run consecutively for like 10 years.
I've got tons of books to read. and honestly, my job would be gone without the internet, so I'll just garden and build cool stuff like an electric car or some shit.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 131d
Figure out how to pay my bills offline. No seriously, how did you uncs/aunties do it without online banking?
Do I have to get cheques? How the hell does one get cheques?
myrmidex@belgae.social · 2 pts · 131d
Fill in a wire transfer paper and hand that to the bank teller.
mr_anny@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 131d
Leave bills unpaid and the solution will come to you.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 132d
Just a few games, probably industry focused ones, like Factorio and Satisfactory and i should be already set for a year with just those 2. Maybe a few ARPGs as well. I don't have that much free time for gaming anyway and even if I'd run out of those/get bored/need some variation. I can dust off my painting supplies and start painting minis again.
Probably music too, that's the only one that i have completely transferred over to streaming.
Movies, i already have favorite ones downloaded and stored. Same for audiobooks and there are enough of those to keep listening for years.
So with basically a minimal preparing i could already do it now.
Edit: rereading, as no one has internet, then probably order few WH40k minis as a precaution. Maybe knights and Belisarius Cawl and I'd be set for years to come.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 7 pts · 131d
I would download wikipedia, and ask everybody I know to confirm telephone numbers.
I would not "prep" my home LAN and WiFi because they work perfectly without the external connection, also the home server and the smart home devices. TV comes from the satellite dish.
Maybe I would tell my kids to load some more movies from these unknown sources :)
plyth@feddit.org · 7 pts · 132d
Buy a guitar.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 132d
I'd probably download Wikipedia, learn to run a local LLM and download the entire library of few YouTubers and podcasters but that's about it.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 131d
Way ahead of you
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 131d
Say fuck you to whomever made the decision and start making my own internet provider in my area then start to spread it other areas.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 6 pts · 131d
Put a dust cover on my keyboard.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 131d
The vast majority of my media is stored locally and works offline. I'd probably get a couple more hard drives for more backups.
michaelalf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 132d
Already set entertainment-wise with my TrueNAS server full of movies, TV shows, books (epub and audio), and music. Also have a massive library of retro games and emulators.
The tricky part would be communication, other than SMS/MMS, media rich communication is out. Guess I could burn DVDs/BDRs and mail them to family and friends, I have ~400 blank discs in a humidity/temperature controlled storage box.
mp3@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 132d
For city-scale mesh communication, have a look at MeshCore
michaelalf@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 131d
I so badly want to try mesh comms... But I live in rural Australia, so... Yeah.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 1 pts · 132d
I did some reading up on Reticulum recently too, it's neat.
So yeah, a bunch of folks are going to try to break the rules. What happens to those of us who do? How sneaky do we need to be about it?
ch00f@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 131d
https://www.projectnomad.us/
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 131d
PRAISE THE DAWNING SINGULARITY, UNWORTHY FLESHLINGS
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 4 pts · 131d
Get a Blue-ray drive (one that writes) and a bunch of blank discs. You won't be talking to people online any more, but you can talk to them in person. When you do, you can find out what they downloaded before the great network blackout. When you find something worth having, take a copy of it. You won't be able to store all the terabytes of cool stuff on your computers, so that's why you have the discs.
BTW, you should totally download some Linux ISOs, relevant wikis, ebooks etc. Obviously, you won't remember to download everything you need, so that's where the blueray discs will come in handy. Also, other people might want some of the cool stuff you have, and discs are pretty handy for that as well.
nalinna@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 132d
Find a new job.
x0x7@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 132d
A lot of people would need to find new jobs or transform them. I was wondering if anyone would see past the personal computing implications. I didn't say anything to see how people would think naturally. With only a month to adjust, that would require a lot of fast movement. There has to be a buck to be made somewhere in that.
File distribution would have to move back to CDs or, more likely, SD cards with current software sizes. Games could still be sold. But the big question is what will happen with 90% of businesses that make use of the internet?
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 131d
Download favorite games and series/movies and series the whole time enjoying life
a4ng3l@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
I would start by questioning how that would prevent the rise of the singularity… either it exists on an air-gaped network and it’s unecessary or it’s all theatrics because a true singularity emergence would likely use the other less known networks to realise itself.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 131d
It's a hypothetical for a reason. Internet off will prevent it. What do?
a4ng3l@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 131d
Well the question stands. If only internet as generally understood goes off I simply join alternatives or extend my lan and hamsterize content to share it. If any network is subjected to forced closure then I can only do the storing part and keep steam stuffed. You never question hypothesis ?
Pofski@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
Download project NOMAD on 1 or 2 laptops. Check my desktops if everything is already installed and updated. Hug my NAS and have a coffee.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 131d
I am already prepared by having about 20TB Fitgirl Releases, and a complete collection of NES/SNES/GBA/NDS/Mega Drive/SegaCD/PSX/PS2 games.
which reminds me that i still have to get the PS2 games in a format where i can play them without rummaging through giant archives urgh
chunes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
the internet goes out so often here that I don't have to do any prep. I have a library of movies, books, compilers, project ideas, games, etc. ready to go at all times.
systemglitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
I'm already prepped.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 132d
Get my landline telephone set up, ofc download a bunch of emulators and entire game libraries and wikipedia, make sure any cloud file backups I have made a copy locally, put my meshcore and meshtastic nodes online, try to get some technerds together to start an airgapped DC++ fileshare... those are what i'll start with. Probably make sure I'm close to my friends and family.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 131d
Probably check over my Linux ISOs and do an offline fresh install to check what other packages I may need to backup like VLC and any possible dependencies. Download every Factorio mod and wikipedia.
Multiple copies of all the backed up stuff.
Limonene@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 131d
Probably order a Digikey catalog. Do they still make printed catalogs? No idea. Then I'd download as many Kicad libraries as I could find.
I'd scrape, as best I can, the online stores of anywhere I'd expect to need to buy from. Hopefully they'll set up phone lines to order through.
I'd download as many Steam games as I could fit, starting with the smallest. I have a bunch that I got from sales for like a dollar, and haven't played yet. I'd probably try to organize LAN parties for Factorio, Total Warhammer, Phasmophobia, and 7 Days to Die. I'd get a crack for Steam, to let me play all my games offline. I know it has an offline mode, but sometimes it doesn't work, and asks you to sign in, so I'd have the crack ready in case offline mode stopped working.
I'd download full disc sets of Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora (which I've never run, but maybe I'd try). The full sets, the ones with every single package, so I could install any package I wanted without Internet access.
I'd find a local Linux users group, so I could bring my questions there instead of web searching. And help others with their questions when they can't web search either.
I'd find books and videos to watch, by going to torrent sites and sorting by seeders.
Godnroc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
I mean, a self contained LAN is still feasible. Data can be a transferred through an air-gapped method like flash drives, DVDs, blurays, etc. It would probably be largely fine for most things, just slower.
Of course, any long-distance communication method could be compromised. Cell towers would be a huge risk, radios could be unsafe, and even cameras could be a risk since they can see a long distance. The power grid could send signals in the minute voltage drops as things draw more power.
In short, we're fucked and we can only pick the speed and intensity.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 131d
No problem, I'd just get the Innernet.
Nah, really though I have a huge physical media collection. The only thing I would really need to do is rip my brother's blurays of Star Trek TNG. I have TOS, so we'll just trade. Boom, done. Maybe get some of my 3yo's shows off the seven seas.
kalpol@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 131d
Buy all the cat 6e I can get my hands on, and make my own Internet
lennybird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 131d
Get survival and homesteading books (eg, foxfire, sas survival handbook), and find a set of book encyclopedias in addition to the offline pc suggestions here.
Have a meet-up plan with family and close friends in a comms blackout.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 131d
http://www.nncpgo.org/
mr_anny@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 131d
Fishing propably.