ah so it's fine when you develop software and tools to spy on your userbase and hell people who aren't even in your userbase but when it comes to the higher ups at meta using YOUR data to train YOUR AI that's too far huh?
I see, so the Meta employees have the typical conservative mindset: any misdeed is perfectly fine as long as it doesn’t affect you personally.
That’s what I thought - it’s probably not just the employees of social media companies who feel this way, but also those at Palantir and similar. Not to mention the "defense" contractors and the like.
I really wonder how these people can still look at themselves in the mirror.
I knew a guy who went to work for palantir a bunch of years ago. Was always friendly at work. I asked him "but what're you going to do if they do bad stuff, like spying on people?"
He just shrugged. Didn't care. The money was good.
I don't know if this alone is proof that's a bad person, but I think it precludes him from being a good one.
I would argue no. Partly because I am in a similar situation. But also because I would be a fool to quit such a stable, laid back job in a market where it is extremely difficult to find a job in my field.
Granted I also do care. But not enough to risk poverty.
It's hard to make a full judgment without knowing more details but "the pay is good and it's easy" isn't really a compelling justification for "and I help evil manifest in the world".
Again I would like to avoid poverty in a market where I am very unlikely to get a "non-evil" job.
I don't want to keep trying to justify my position as I have already made myself a pariah. so I will just leave this here and encourage people in similar positions to read it.
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
You're asking someone who may literally work at a surveillance company to publicly admit to the stuff they linked? Personally I think it was a bad idea for them to post that link or even suggest they know it exists.
It sure smells like it, right? But, and I'm repeating myself and others, the important part here is that, if it is a layoff tactic, it's a horrible one: as per the Dead Sea Effect, the people who leave as a result of declining workplace environment are those most able to leave, i.e the most employable staff, with each round of departures. Thus, the people whom Meta would want to stay around are the people most likely to find, get, and depart for jobs elsewhere. And while Meta are bastards, the mechanics of working in a massive org like that one score really well for skills companies want.
I wish them luck in this terrible job market, and hope they can find a supportive environment again. We can always do with more smart people working for the greater good instead of against it.
If I wanted to reduce the workforce, but didn't want to pay for redundancies, I'd implement some nasty, overbearing policies that would make anyone with morals, a sense of decency, or integrity, resign.
Install an autoclicker/autotyper HID USB key that, when it senses and idle computer, spams clicks and keystrokes at plausible spoeds, but which outputs pseudorandom nonsense, to muddy the data pool and produce far more incoherent data than coherent data
I'd be tempted to modify my user environment as much as possible, so the ways I use it wouldn't be transferrable to anyone else's environment. I've already done this to some extent, with e.g. nonstandard command line aliases and highly-customized wrapper scripts around the tools I use a lot.
This is a pretty misleading headline. There's no reporting in the article here about a staff protest, just the same information reporting the change as the rest of news sources, with the Register's more editorial writing style.
Hey, I got some bad news for you: a shitload of corporations - and particularly, every one of the FAANG et al orgs - are surveilling the shit out of their workers, and this is not a new development.
I was going to say… almost any big org does this now. Tools like slack, teams, whatever… they all allow the bosses to spy on everything the worker bees do.
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myrmidex@belgae.social · 117 pts · 126d
Lol, imagine working at an evil empire and this being your biggest annoyance.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 48 pts · 126d
Actually so absurd yeah. Im still on their side from a workers perspective, but also they are part of the reason this shit exists...
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 126d
Came here to say this. They facilitate so much violence and bloodshed, and this is what they take issue with.
const_void@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 125d
What kind of fucker works at Meta?
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 102 pts · 126d
"Hey, the massive spy machine isn't supposed to be used on us!"
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk · 89 pts · 126d
Employees working for evil company: "Hey evil company don't do evil stuff to us"
Evil company does evil thing to them
Employees: =O
naticus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 126d
Employees*
rozodru@piefed.world · 64 pts · 126d
ah so it's fine when you develop software and tools to spy on your userbase and hell people who aren't even in your userbase but when it comes to the higher ups at meta using YOUR data to train YOUR AI that's too far huh?
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 126d
I see, so the Meta employees have the typical conservative mindset: any misdeed is perfectly fine as long as it doesn’t affect you personally.
That’s what I thought - it’s probably not just the employees of social media companies who feel this way, but also those at Palantir and similar. Not to mention the "defense" contractors and the like.
I really wonder how these people can still look at themselves in the mirror.
jtrek@startrek.website · 33 pts · 126d
I knew a guy who went to work for palantir a bunch of years ago. Was always friendly at work. I asked him "but what're you going to do if they do bad stuff, like spying on people?"
He just shrugged. Didn't care. The money was good.
I don't know if this alone is proof that's a bad person, but I think it precludes him from being a good one.
TrippinMallard@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 126d
Why does the military advertise the most towards the poor?
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 126d
Why don't presidents fight the war?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 125d
Why do they always send the poor? 🤘
freedom@lemy.lol · 4 pts · 125d
Mercenary mindset. No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche.
Archr@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 126d
I would argue no. Partly because I am in a similar situation. But also because I would be a fool to quit such a stable, laid back job in a market where it is extremely difficult to find a job in my field.
Granted I also do care. But not enough to risk poverty.
jtrek@startrek.website · 22 pts · 126d
It's hard to make a full judgment without knowing more details but "the pay is good and it's easy" isn't really a compelling justification for "and I help evil manifest in the world".
Archr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
Again I would like to avoid poverty in a market where I am very unlikely to get a "non-evil" job. I don't want to keep trying to justify my position as I have already made myself a pariah. so I will just leave this here and encourage people in similar positions to read it. https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
foxwolf@pawb.social · 7 pts · 126d
But are you doing any of that to your big evil company? Or is it easier to be a good worker and not risk getting fired?
davidgro@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d
You're asking someone who may literally work at a surveillance company to publicly admit to the stuff they linked? Personally I think it was a bad idea for them to post that link or even suggest they know it exists.
Archr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
And that's why I don't connect my personal devices to the corporate network, because I know what we can see.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 125d
I can't tolerate surveillance software on my PC that I use to develop surveillance software!
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 125d
Except this surveillance software is for training AI that will probably replace them.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 11 pts · 125d
Live by the slop, die by the slop.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 126d
obviously a layoff tactic. Their AI group shit the bed after they burned millions on
third lifethe zuckerversecorsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 126d
It sure smells like it, right? But, and I'm repeating myself and others, the important part here is that, if it is a layoff tactic, it's a horrible one: as per the Dead Sea Effect, the people who leave as a result of declining workplace environment are those most able to leave, i.e the most employable staff, with each round of departures. Thus, the people whom Meta would want to stay around are the people most likely to find, get, and depart for jobs elsewhere. And while Meta are bastards, the mechanics of working in a massive org like that one score really well for skills companies want.
I wish them luck in this terrible job market, and hope they can find a supportive environment again. We can always do with more smart people working for the greater good instead of against it.
artyom@piefed.social · 6 pts · 126d
Millions? Try $77 B-b-billion.
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de · 26 pts · 126d
It's always just a matter of time until you're not part of the protected in-group anymore...
riskable@programming.dev · 20 pts · 126d
Zuck is having all his keystrokes recorded too, right? Right?
Make sure the AI engineers get that data. Especially the passwords to his and the company's bank accounts. All his accounts, actually.
There's a reason why most businesses don't implement keystroke logging.
No1@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 126d
If I wanted to reduce the workforce, but didn't want to pay for redundancies, I'd implement some nasty, overbearing policies that would make anyone with morals, a sense of decency, or integrity, resign.
SaneMartigan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 126d
People with morals already don't work at meta.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 126d
And you be left with shitty, immoral, um …. wait I think I just noticed something….
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 125d
People who can afford such things don’t work at meta to begin with.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 125d
Install an autoclicker/autotyper HID USB key that, when it senses and idle computer, spams clicks and keystrokes at plausible spoeds, but which outputs pseudorandom nonsense, to muddy the data pool and produce far more incoherent data than coherent data
Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 125d
This is my kind of kink. No cap.
SpeakerToLampposts@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 125d
I'd be tempted to modify my user environment as much as possible, so the ways I use it wouldn't be transferrable to anyone else's environment. I've already done this to some extent, with e.g. nonstandard command line aliases and highly-customized wrapper scripts around the tools I use a lot.
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 126d
The fuckers have become the fuckee’s.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 125d
Torment Nexus devs protest being tormented.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 126d
This is a pretty misleading headline. There's no reporting in the article here about a staff protest, just the same information reporting the change as the rest of news sources, with the Register's more editorial writing style.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 126d
Hey, I got some bad news for you: a shitload of corporations - and particularly, every one of the FAANG et al orgs - are surveilling the shit out of their workers, and this is not a new development.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 126d
I was going to say… almost any big org does this now. Tools like slack, teams, whatever… they all allow the bosses to spy on everything the worker bees do.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 125d
Mine has been doing it for once half a year. Really sinister and illegal shit for my state of CA.
kadotux@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 125d
You work at meta or you have keyloggers for some other reason?
gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 126d
Hahahahahah!!!
Suck it.
Etterra@discuss.online · 5 pts · 125d
So quit them.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 125d
Zuck wants to quit them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 125d
Meta has always been surveillance, and pushing propaganda, thats the only thing meta does.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 125d
So that's what that feels like.
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social · 3 pts · 126d
When you sacrifice all morals to work for tech bros so you can get more money I don't think you have much of a say in things.
luizcavalcanti@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
Oh, cry me a river to fill that data lake. I guess all that user and non-user data they helped collect was not enough...
If a least those folks had decent sindicates, they could stand a chance resisting it 🤷♂️
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
Quit your job. Finding a new one shouldn't be hard if you worked at Meta before.
benjirenji@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 126d
The job market is actually pretty bad right now and with all the recent layoffs in tech very saturated. Unionizing would make more sense.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 126d
Doesn't work on a Nazi threatening death with H1Bs.
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
I misread that as HB1s for a brief moment.
ropatrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
Alanis could write an extra line in a particular song about this.
Or she could write a new song about NIMBYism, hypocrisy etc.