Google Gemini is coming to more cars, but some consumers aren’t cheering
https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/google-gemini-is-coming-to-more-cars-but-some-consumers-arent-cheering
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Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 124 pts · 114d
You know what worked great and didn't distract? Haptic buttons and knobs. I don't know what I can buy when my current car dies. I don't want all this shit again.
artyom@piefed.social · 22 pts · 114d
My car has voice commands but it can't even do simple tasks like turning on the headlights or wipers, and requires an active internet connection to do anything at all, so yeah, its fuckin useless.
Meanwhile my phone can dictate entire paragraphs with no internet connection at all.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 113d
Yeah it's total dogshit. Th e only decent-ish, half-assed solution for me is using android auto (with a dedicated, isolated phone with a dummy account). Using my own voice-command-app and sygic for navigation. Of course I couldn't control much of the car, only what odb offers.
But I'm not locked in to the proprietary car-shit. Had that once with a fucking "premium" brand's top-model and was so pissed at it. Even cars got enshittified.
Funny: android auto forces me to make pauses while using it "for my safety", but it's shit crap that forces me to use damn touchscreens in a car. While driving. Also according to AA, passengers don't exist 😁
13igTyme@piefed.social · 6 pts · 113d
Just get stuff replaced. I'd rather get a new engine, transmission, chassis, and all parts replaced one by one then get a car with bullshit installed.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 113d
Well the car is brand new and will probably last a while. I already downgraded from some "premium" brand to an "entry-level" car, just to have nothing but android-auto and a screen. AC and shit like that is good old knobs and buttons.
Previous car had nothing analog at all. Then the cockpit broke and it was blank. Couldn't even see how fast I was going. Replacement was 6000 moneyz. And because the HUD also broke, it was another 5000 moneyz because the whole windshield had to be replaced. Also took a week. That made my left nut explode and sell that piece of shit (that I loved to drive, beside THAT)
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 113d
Funny that you used a Star Trek pic for illustration.
On Captain Picard's "Enterprise" they had plain empty black glass plates on their "control desks" for steering. All the colorful blinking imaginary things were made later in post production.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 113d
I actually did not know nor ever noticed in TNG. Now I will eagle-eye that the next run 😁
Though, if I were bound to a screen to do the things and the whole ship is steady in flight, touch would be fine. But in a car, where I need to focus on everything around me EXCEPT the touchscreen, well...
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 87 pts · 114d
Yeah that's not how I use my car...
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 40 pts · 114d
Do you guys not have phones? /s
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 113d
We should have taken this sentiment for the (industry) warning it was.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 113d
It's worse, that was when the industry realized we weren't using our phones how they wanted, so they had to start cramming this shit in our cars and door bells and thermostats because they couldn't reliably monitor the entire populace just through phones.
We(corpos) need smartsmoke alarms(surveillance devices), legally mandated in every room of the house, to keep ussafe(monitored) 24/7.squaresinger@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 113d
Yeah, who gets into the car not knowing what the target is?
What I'd like to have is plain old Google Assistant, with its deterministic nature, plus a keyword that enables Gemini for more advanced stuff should I need it.
Especially looking up info while listening to a podcast or something like that.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 113d
Yes, the non-determinism is crazy.
I have like one thing I use voice for usually. "Call ". With Google Assistant, it reliably called that specific person.
Now that my phone decided to gemini, it will sometimes make a call, and sometimes it says something like "I have found one contact with that name in your contacts, their phone number is 1-555-555-5555" Sometimes with some extra language clearly intended to be stuffed back into context to guide some next step that isn't coming, don't remember but something along the lines of "Contact match added to context to enable dialing the phone now" or something.
I'm perfectly fine with a different wake word or chaining it to google assistant, "Hey google, ask gemini ...." would be fine.
And yes, it might be vaguely useful for doing a maps search in the car, as that is a pain. A vaguely decent answer I can confirm is nice for things like a road trip stop for food or some small thing.
bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 113d
A few days ago, me to Google home:
"Hey Google, turn on the light"
"Sorry, I can't control powered devices."
"Hey Google, turn on the light"
"Turning on the light."
I had a similar experience getting it to summarize my maps info, it would alternate between correct answers and claiming it had no access to the data.
Smokeless7048@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 113d
It definitely feels like it needs to start with Assistant, and if it's outside it's context, hand off to Gemini.
shynoise@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
You missed
"And just so you know here are some new ways I can help you turn on lights..." Etc. etc
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 113d
Even my wife uses the car better than that, and she never waits for me to pull up the directions before starting driving
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 113d
That's how to use your wife.
/s
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 113d
This thing popped up on my Android Auto the other day in the middle of a drive and I cursed at it because I was trying to get directions and then it kept responding "I don't respond to hostile language". Fucking annoying.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 113d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 113d
That's such a bizarre and anti user thing for it to do. A human worker shouldn't have to put up with it, but a machine assistant should interpret profanity as frustration with the product
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 113d
So how do you disable it?
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 113d
I really don't like where all of this is going. All the integrated pay-to-use, cloud-enabled, surveillance (and surveillance-adjacent) tech was bad enough. Then there's the runaway average pricing for cars and increasing loan terms. And now we're getting AI foisted in while we're at it? At what point does it implode, with everyone just sticking with older tech and sticking to the used market?
Shit. They're going to make old cars illegal, aren't they?
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 113d
Why do you think cash for clunkers happened ? All a plan to get rid of repairable, affordable, non government/corporation controlled cars. Its been the plan since the tech came along to make it possible.
2027, your car is mandated to be filled with cameras, mics, and air sensors , all of this sent to a database, or you cannot drive. This is not conspiracy. This is real.
Really hate this era. Can I skip ahead 70 years after collapse or go back 30 years please ?
Reygle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 113d
If this takes 70 years to collapse humanity won't be here to witness it.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 113d
Nah, collapse is happening in 10 years or less. I figured 70 years would be where its all either rebuilt again or a total wasteland.
1k3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 113d
No - collapse is happening now and accelerating. Collapse is a process.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 113d
Ah. Understood and agreed on.
boogiebored@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 113d
ai is just gatekept internet knowledge and they are trying to sell you every “made new” again.
car+ tv+ phone+ internet+
it’s all a ruse because capitalists have 0 creativity.
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 113d
Soon they will require proof of these systems in older cars to get registration. Watch.
They will bring back inspections for surveillance but not for emissions.
Speculater@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 114d
Of all the voice LLMs Gemini is the worst. You'll ask a factual question, "How many Grammys has U2 won?" It will give an answer based off its training then ask, "Would you also like to know about blah blah blah."
No. I would not. Stop asking follow-up questions. I simply was curious about this one thing while listening to the radio.
The fact people fall in love with or depend on these auto complete bots is crazy. Not to mention, they're wrong as often as they're right.
zurohki@aussie.zone · 34 pts · 113d
I watched someone try to use Gemini through Android Auto to navigate somewhere a few days ago. It was kind of amazing.
He told it to navigate to a place, and it found a match on a different continent, refused to navigate to it and then rambled about two other irrelevant places it wanted him to go to instead for a while before it finally shut up and he could try again. It didn't work the second time either.
Ye olde Google Assistant, when told "navigate to ", will open maps and search for .
I am a person. You are an object. Do as you're fucking told, I'm not interested in listening to you trying to fake having an opinion.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 113d
The fake opinion is to steer you towards some marketing crap.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 113d
A lot of these LLMs heap praise on the user - some more blatantly than others - whether it’s warranted or not.
Those most susceptible tend to be the ones who don’t regularly receive that recognition in their day-to-day lives, so they become infatuated with this “AI” that treats them nicer than they’re accustomed to.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 113d
A certain portion of "dumb" is neccessary to fall for this automated crap.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 113d
So you're saying the world just needs a little more love ❤️
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 113d
Well really it needs a lot more, but yes. That would, unironically, fix a lot of problems.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 113d
The world needs a hell of a lot more love, honestly.
Janx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 113d
"In 0.2 miles, turn right after Waffle House. Also, you smell nice and have a huge dick."
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 113d
Correct answer: who cares.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 113d
I mean some people are already essentially married to their car so this doesn‘t seem too far fachet. We are silly monkeys.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 114d
4grams@awful.systems · 25 pts · 114d
Goddamn, I am so tired of modern convenience. My god we have made shit complicated in the name of simplicity.
Darnton@piefed.zip · 14 pts · 113d
It's not even convenience, it is more distracting and useless bloat, and in a car of all places. They just got this product they invested billions in, so they are desperate to look for "solutions" to problems that doesn't exist with it.
4grams@awful.systems · 1 pts · 113d
Oh, I know, ai was trying to point out the insanity in a few words as possible. All the solutions and conveniences we are being sold are bullshit. They are sold as helpful but just make you hate the world.
I had an Apple Watch, the simplicity of not having to take out my phone was the draw, I could see my notifications quickly and easily. All it did though was create more distraction, more digital cruft to wade through and dismiss. I get more value out of the rubber band that I have on my wrist right now than I did the Apple Watch.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 114d
SIMPLICITY (read: vendor lock-in)!
4grams@awful.systems · 2 pts · 113d
I’m m an Infrastructure architect and engineer, this is the same problem in enterprise. Cloud, SaaS, proprietary vendors, they all want to lock you. Time and place for all of it, but you’ve gotta know what you are getting yourself into.
What chance does the average, non-30 year veteran of industry have? It’s bad out there.
artyom@piefed.social · 10 pts · 114d
Nah "we" made it complicated in the pursuit of money.
4grams@awful.systems · 3 pts · 113d
Nah, wasn’t “we” , it was “them” who sold us on a promise, but was really a leash, or muzzle. The “them” is the oligarchs, the billionaires, the epstein class…
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 113d
I'll be buying and fixing pre 2015 cars till I learn to make my own. Hopefully I can also learn how to do electric conversions.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 113d
This is going to become a lucrative business very soon. Until its illegal.
Running man/handmaids/1984 , we are here.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 113d
What happened in 2015? (Only have a 2001 and 2012 right now)
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 113d
2015 is when surveillance came standard with all cars.
‘Privacy Nightmare on Wheels’: Every Car Brand Reviewed By Mozilla — Including Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota — Flunks Privacy Test
plateee@piefed.social · 14 pts · 114d
Hey Google, how about you fucking fix voice so that "navigate to Dutch Bros" works for both Android Auto and just Android instead of randomly trying to open the Dutch Bros app?
Oh and maybe look at your voice to text quality and actually navigating to places correctly.
SunshineJogger@feddit.org · 10 pts · 113d
I sure hope some good quality manufacturers jump in and fill the consumer need for dumb tech cars and everything else that can be "smart"
These days any AI or Smart feature just makes any product far less interesting to me
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 113d
you missed the part where this will be mandated by the USDOT for "safety".
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 113d
just like headlights that are so bright that they blind everybody in front of them
I never feel safer than when I'm approaching the crest of a hill on a corner with a 15-ft deep rocky ditch to either side at 80 km/h on a narrow road with almost no shoulder and I can see the night sky lit up in front of me like it's a football stadium because the car on the other side of the hill has LED high beams on. Then we reach the point where we can see each other's headlights, and I am flash banged from the intensity going directly into my squinting eyes. I see a barely discernible flash as their auto-highbeams recognize that I am a vehicle and it switches to low beams, which are the exact same intensity and still going directly into my eyeballs, except now it's not lighting up the night sky as well as the treetops.
I turn my own LED highbeams* on in response in an attempt to see some of the road in front of me so that I can avoid the ditch, and I steer towards the middle of the road where there is only a chance of danger instead of guaranteed danger from driving off the road. Hopefully the other driver sees me well enough to avoid me if I get too close to center or even go over the line.
We complete the pass, my night vision returns over the next 30 seconds, and I start saying a small prayer thanking God for how safe I was kept during that interaction, but I am interrupted by the exact same scenario happening on the next hill.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 113d
Cant. There's no free market. Its already mandated.
Think of the amazing cars and tech we could have otherwise. We are so held back by this shit.
I'd be buying a "brand new" 1999 civic right now.
SW42@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 114d
I always loved the cars, but I’m never buying one because of the whole intrusive Android integration. Thank god I don’t really use my car that much anymore as public transportation is amazing here.
vane@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 113d
It's sold with small car model shaped as anal plug, so you can feel it.
DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 113d
Out of all the AIs, Gemini has to be the worst one.
Smokeless7048@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 113d
Honestly, I've found the newer Gemini models better than ChatGPT, for quality and recognizing photos. Use it a lot as an AA:
Read this email I wrote, explain what this lawyer means, as well as helping with my reno: according to BC building code, how tall does my washing machine stand pipe need to be.
The flash model they in search is garbage.
DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 113d
Photo generator is ok. But the text one is very bad and gives so much false info. I don't trust it with anything at all. I find Leo from Brave much, much better.
Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org · 2 pts · 113d
The nano banana image models that gemini uses in the backend are the most accurate that i used so far.
The free gemini Chat on the other hand is very bad! Its hard tuned to keep a conversation going and not to anwer the question's and it has a verry small kontext window forgetting the prevoise conversation and indtructions verry fast.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 113d
It has sucked since gemini came into android auto. Its slightly worse in every way.
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 113d
Well, it's a good thing I can't afford a new car anyway....
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 114d
These cars will be cheaper just like SmartTVs because the manufacturers know they can make more money off of saps who buy them loaded up with shitware.
Botzo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 114d
Ford has had Amazon Alexa built-in for something like 5 years ...
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 10 pts · 114d
Several vehicle infotainment systems literally run Android. Android Automotive is an entire branch dedicated to being an entire vehicle infotainment system... separate from Android Auto on your phone.
bluGill@fedia.io · 2 pts · 114d
My car has Android automotive. If you're driving 8 hours a day, it's better than what you have in your Android or Apple phone. Everything's right there and it integrates very nicely with the car. However, like most people, you're only driving for a little bit to work and then your car just sits there. It's not worth it. Your phone already has everything you want on it and you just want your phone to connect and do things. I hate that in my car if I say hey Google my car jumps in sorry you need a subscription- my phone already has my subscription I don't want a second one. If I remember I can turn on the Wi-Fi on my hotspot on my phone, but why bother? I don't even want my car to respond here. I just want my phone which is right there and already can respond and do everything. Part of this is another well deserved rant against GM for not putting Android Auto on their cars. That's something that other manufacturers do and I suppose in that case it actually would work well. I don't know.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 5 pts · 114d
Oh the things I could rant on about Android Automotive, and about legacy automakers integrating "smart" things poorly.
If you want to be even more unreasonably angered about this... I currently drive a Honda Prologue, which uses GM's Ultima EV platform. The Play Store even shows the car "device" as a "GM Aegean". It supports Android Auto. Even puts it in the little app window as if the system wasn't already running Android Automotive. Regular Android Auto just like on any other vehicle... inside Android Automotive. They could do it, they chose not to.
anonymouse2@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 113d
Have you tried denying the car Google's microphone access?
bluGill@fedia.io · 0 pts · 113d
I have not seen such a setting. Thanks for the tip, I will look
Botzo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 114d
For sure (our Volvo is 1 year too old to have the android automotive system and ... It would be better). The Amazon effort that powers the Alexa + Ford sync business isn't quite at that depth: it's an API with always online "AI learning" stuff OEMs can integrate.
https://developer.amazon.com/automotive/
melfie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 113d
Teppa@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 114d
This is just like Android, it was rough around the edges, all new tech is. Then its flawless and its quality becomes normalized as everyone forgets how it started.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 113d
The Flawless Marriage of Surveillance Capitalism and Consumerism.
Teppa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
The average person doesnt give a single solitary shit I've learned sadly.