I know rhis is lemmy shitpost, and this post is a joke, but in case it is not please watch this: https://youtu.be/LUGdQnxuixI
It's based on actual case of exactly this, explained by actual doctor. I can recommend watching even if this is a joke, chubbyemu makes amazing videos.
TLDR; the "horse" part of this wasn't really the problem other than that it's easier to purchase an unhinged quantity at a veterinary supply store. If he was reconstituting to the proper strength (being sober would have helped with that) the electrolytes themselves wouldn't have been an issue (and honestly are actually beneficial when imbibing).
I figured it had to be, iirc from reading veterinary metabolic panel normal ranges most of us placental mammals have roughly the same electrolyte balances. Afaik it goes back to whether you have a common ancestor only before or also after leaving the ocean and that your balance is reflective of the ocean's balance at that time.
It sounds like there were a few trace minerals that might have built up if he'd kept drinking it in it's intended strength chronically but the core issue was him drinking essentially a straight salt slurry.
Electrolytes are electrolytes. Your horse gets a fuck ton more salt and no sugar, but it's basically all the same shit at similar ratios. The electrolyte compounds all need to be bioavailable so there shouldn't be major differences there. The biggest difference is likely purity and contamination tolerances. (Contamination would be things like insects, small rocks or sand, etc: Things that would still be non-toxic, but generally reduced for human consumption.)
Edit: Still don't drink the stuff. The ingredients are scaled for an ~1100lb animal so it should be a no-brainer to get the Gatorade instead.
Have a normal, balanced diet if you aren't extremely active. So yeah, just eat a banana. :)
I run a lot and a sweat a lot, so my electrolyte loss is fairly high. (You can see the buildup of salts on my gear after it dries and before I wash it.) Electrolyte supplements are great for athletes that can't practically make up the losses with regular food intake.
But... To say that Gatorade and other electrolyte drinks are overused by people who aren't active is an understatement. Many people simply do not need the extra boost of sugar and salts and it's just going to get pissed out anyway.
The reason I am a bit vocal about this is that 1. People should actually eat a decent diet just to get these basic salts and 2. Electrolyte supplements are awesome, extremely basic but extremely overused. They are extremely important, but not in the way marketing departments say they are.
Wait really? I would like to have an argument with a nurse fifteen years ago about this what do I need to know
She was mad at me for not peeing. I kept telling her I didn't need to and I'll pee when I damn well want to. She thought threatening me with catheters (standard practice) would work, but it didn't, so they then threatened me with an ultrasound. That was fun but they found out my bladder was empty. Fuckers. I can't pee nonexistent urine.
Also, this stuff is made for horses. Their entire body and nutricial needs are completely different. I for example often have a calcium and vitamin D shortage so I need to take supplements next to my healthy diet. But the amounts I need are completely different to what a horse needs. Too much vitamin D is toxic, too much calcium brittle your bones. I can take paracetamol, so can donkeys, but cats would die from it. Taking supplements that are made for animals can be toxic and can be way to high dosages. Like with this guy, who has a tingling skin because of it, and probably causes damage to his kidneys and or liver, among other organs.
Someone’s always figured out a “better way” than y’know, actual scientists. Always some bizarre conspiracy over why they’re “hiding” the real better way to do something.
I used to work in a baked goods factory where scrapped product and ingredients got sold to a pig feed supplier
They constantly told the workers not to put any product that had touched the floor into the pig feed bins (the floor, aside from being the fucking gross floor, often had metal shavings, machine oil, etc. on it) but everyone ignored that rule and management barely tried to enforce it
Another reason to feel bad for factory farmed animals. Those pigs probably have lacerations throughout their digestive system. :(
combine this with the monkey chow diet and you have peak human food consumption right up until you die from all the weird shit in there that is unregulated besausemits not designed for humans.
Looks like the bone weakness comes from the calcium being pulled from the bones into the bloodstream. I would suspect that ODing on Ca wouldn't cause that symptom
I'm not an expert on this subject, but from what I heard is that with too much calcium the balance is off between the protein collagen and minerals. Usually with bone brittleness there's a lack of collagen, causing bones to be prone to shattering which is called osteoporosis.
I don't know what happens when you have too much calcium and too much collagen. But I doubt you will get super bones. I am quite sure it will be extra hard for some of your organs.
Would NeverBrokeABone consider using this stuff cheating? 🤔
As far as I can tell, that community talked a big game about the dietary reasons why their bones might be strong but were generally inactive people who never pushed their bodies (and bones) anywhere close to their limits.
If you wanna save money from buying Gatorade? Sprinkle a tad bit of salt in tap water. That's the amount of electrolytes the average person uses. If you need a little flavor then squirt a bit of mio.
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Liome@pawb.social · 122 pts · 112d
I know rhis is lemmy shitpost, and this post is a joke, but in case it is not please watch this: https://youtu.be/LUGdQnxuixI
It's based on actual case of exactly this, explained by actual doctor. I can recommend watching even if this is a joke, chubbyemu makes amazing videos.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 53 pts · 112d
OK it was what I expected.
TLDR; the "horse" part of this wasn't really the problem other than that it's easier to purchase an unhinged quantity at a veterinary supply store. If he was reconstituting to the proper strength (being sober would have helped with that) the electrolytes themselves wouldn't have been an issue (and honestly are actually beneficial when imbibing).
I figured it had to be, iirc from reading veterinary metabolic panel normal ranges most of us placental mammals have roughly the same electrolyte balances. Afaik it goes back to whether you have a common ancestor only before or also after leaving the ocean and that your balance is reflective of the ocean's balance at that time.
It sounds like there were a few trace minerals that might have built up if he'd kept drinking it in it's intended strength chronically but the core issue was him drinking essentially a straight salt slurry.
CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 112d
Wow - what a twist! Thanks for sharing.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 112d
Wow, what a show!
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 87 pts · 112d
Electrolytes are electrolytes. Your horse gets a fuck ton more salt and no sugar, but it's basically all the same shit at similar ratios. The electrolyte compounds all need to be bioavailable so there shouldn't be major differences there. The biggest difference is likely purity and contamination tolerances. (Contamination would be things like insects, small rocks or sand, etc: Things that would still be non-toxic, but generally reduced for human consumption.)
Edit: Still don't drink the stuff. The ingredients are scaled for an ~1100lb animal so it should be a no-brainer to get the Gatorade instead.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 112d
Just don’t use too much…
AbidingOhmsLaw@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 112d
Yikes, that guy had untreated sylphilis then took 1100% of the daily Manganese dose and more than a lethal dose of salt. I'm shocked he survived.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 112d
Is this something horses actually like, or was it put there knowing very well humans would be consuming it
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 112d
Horses, generally, really like apples.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 112d
you can dilute it still
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 112d
mixing a bit of table salt and sugar in a glass of water will do pretty much the same thing and cost less than both of those.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 112d
As a horse electrolyte salesman I strongly condemn the idea that people can be healthy without corporate intervention.
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
Big Horse Electrolyte knows what's best for me
schildfrosch@feddit.org · 3 pts · 112d
i think potassium is what actually makes the difference since it's so critical for peeing the right amount and you tend to lose a lot of it
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 112d
so water and a banana
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
A glass of water and some fries
Actually fuck, I should do that next hangover
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 112d
Have a normal, balanced diet if you aren't extremely active. So yeah, just eat a banana. :)
I run a lot and a sweat a lot, so my electrolyte loss is fairly high. (You can see the buildup of salts on my gear after it dries and before I wash it.) Electrolyte supplements are great for athletes that can't practically make up the losses with regular food intake.
But... To say that Gatorade and other electrolyte drinks are overused by people who aren't active is an understatement. Many people simply do not need the extra boost of sugar and salts and it's just going to get pissed out anyway.
The reason I am a bit vocal about this is that 1. People should actually eat a decent diet just to get these basic salts and 2. Electrolyte supplements are awesome, extremely basic but extremely overused. They are extremely important, but not in the way marketing departments say they are.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Wait really? I would like to have an argument with a nurse fifteen years ago about this what do I need to know
She was mad at me for not peeing. I kept telling her I didn't need to and I'll pee when I damn well want to. She thought threatening me with catheters (standard practice) would work, but it didn't, so they then threatened me with an ultrasound. That was fun but they found out my bladder was empty. Fuckers. I can't pee nonexistent urine.
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 112d
Sodium chloride is not the only electrolyte the body needs. It's fairly important to keep a healthy balance: https://medlineplus.gov/fluidandelectrolytebalance.html
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Wait is cobalt a nutrient?
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 112d
A minor one and a component of Vitamin B12.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
My biggest shock here is that it's an actual product and not slop hallucinogenics.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 112d
Or they could just eat a balanced diet that reflects human nutritional requirements?
rugburn@fedinsfw.app · 19 pts · 112d
...we don't do that here
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 112d
Also, this stuff is made for horses. Their entire body and nutricial needs are completely different. I for example often have a calcium and vitamin D shortage so I need to take supplements next to my healthy diet. But the amounts I need are completely different to what a horse needs. Too much vitamin D is toxic, too much calcium brittle your bones. I can take paracetamol, so can donkeys, but cats would die from it. Taking supplements that are made for animals can be toxic and can be way to high dosages. Like with this guy, who has a tingling skin because of it, and probably causes damage to his kidneys and or liver, among other organs.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 111d
Someone’s always figured out a “better way” than y’know, actual scientists. Always some bizarre conspiracy over why they’re “hiding” the real better way to do something.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 111d
You mean I shouldn’t be eating the “Top 10 Superfoods Your Doctor Doesn’t Want You to Know About”??
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
You’ll never guess what number one is!!
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 112d
a soylent a day
rmuk@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 111d
Source
CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 112d
First they get you hooked on the Mane and Tail shampoo...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 112d
Then they get you hooked on paste for the Hanta.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 112d
Hey now, ivermectin has an apple flavored version that is apparently very tasty (according to my horse)
Murse@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 112d
An apple a day may keep the doctor away, but not the coroner.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 112d
Steve Jobs enters the chat...
daannii@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 112d
I mean it's not like human food standards are that much higher than those for animals (in the U.S at least).
janus2@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 112d
I used to work in a baked goods factory where scrapped product and ingredients got sold to a pig feed supplier
They constantly told the workers not to put any product that had touched the floor into the pig feed bins (the floor, aside from being the fucking gross floor, often had metal shavings, machine oil, etc. on it) but everyone ignored that rule and management barely tried to enforce it
Another reason to feel bad for factory farmed animals. Those pigs probably have lacerations throughout their digestive system. :(
daannii@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
I worked for general Mills factory for maybe 4 or 5 months back around 2005 ish.
Yeah cereal and granola that got spilled or messed up went into bins labeled animal food.
The place was kept pretty clean. But it's still a factory floor where we wore boots.
I remember more than once shoveling nasty food disasters off the floor with dirt mixed in. Told to put in those bins.
We cleaned those floors with harsh chemicals too when we did clean them. Surely residue from those contaminated the food.
I asked if it was dog food and was told it was for pigs.
Probably made up.
Who knows what it was used for.
KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 112d
It's got what horses crave!
rmuk@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 111d
It has children's fingers?
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 14 pts · 112d
This is how it starts, so innocent & healthy even, then suddenly you are on horse tranquillisers, and then glue.
Remember kids: say no when when a stranger in a van offers you horse candy.
Master@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 112d
combine this with the monkey chow diet and you have peak human food consumption right up until you die from all the weird shit in there that is unregulated besausemits not designed for humans.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 111d
Ah yes, those are the best kind of sauce mits
Master@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 110d
Its my keyboard I swear...! https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/7f84bb26-9bf7-404f-99c2-83e93f4cf2ab.jpeg
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 110d
You're a bee 🐝 aren't you?
DankDingleberry@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 111d
there is a video of chubbyemu (doctor) where he portays a case of a person getting horribly fucked up by horse electrolytes. be careful
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 111d
Someone already linked it, and amazingly the horse electrolytes weren't even the worst thing going on with that guy.
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 111d
Can I get a summary?
Not for trust reasons but just morbid curiosity. There's obviously a reason why we don't eat this stuff. I want to know how bad it gets.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 10 pts · 112d
#1 ingredient listed is calcium.
Would NeverBrokeABone consider using this stuff cheating? 🤔
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 112d
Too much calcium brittle bones, among other issues. It's called Hypercalcemia
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 112d
Ah, so not cheating. Extra challenge.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
Looks like the bone weakness comes from the calcium being pulled from the bones into the bloodstream. I would suspect that ODing on Ca wouldn't cause that symptom
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 112d
I'm not an expert on this subject, but from what I heard is that with too much calcium the balance is off between the protein collagen and minerals. Usually with bone brittleness there's a lack of collagen, causing bones to be prone to shattering which is called osteoporosis.
I don't know what happens when you have too much calcium and too much collagen. But I doubt you will get super bones. I am quite sure it will be extra hard for some of your organs.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 111d
Too much calcium can be a variety of issues. Muscle cramps, confusion, kidney stones etc
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Wait, have I been cheesing myself to osteopenia?
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 112d
As far as I can tell, that community talked a big game about the dietary reasons why their bones might be strong but were generally inactive people who never pushed their bodies (and bones) anywhere close to their limits.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 112d
If you wanna save money from buying Gatorade? Sprinkle a tad bit of salt in tap water. That's the amount of electrolytes the average person uses. If you need a little flavor then squirt a bit of mio.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 112d
The recipe for oral rehydration solution, the Gatorade base, is 1 liter water, 1/2 tsp salt, and 2T sugar. Shake to mix.
You can add OJ, lemon and/or lime juice, kool-aid powder, mio, crystal light, etc. for flavor.
The Italian version is sparkling water, juice of a lemon slice, and big dash of salt.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 111d
Mmmm yes. Two tons of sugar.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 111d
Just about anywhere in Mexico you can get suero: salt, lime, mineral water. Delicious
rmuk@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 111d
Sounds like a depressing version of Tequila.
Shayeta@feddit.org · 0 pts · 111d
Yeah, just a bit of table salt! Magnesium, potassium, calcium? Never heard of 'em!
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 111d
The potassium in it is an alternate salt, so you get your electrolytes without the sodium induced blood pressure changes many people experience.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 112d
Next pandemic, CDC will tell us to fuck off and eat ivermectin.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 112d
Not if someone in CDC (new management I mean) has a stake in horse electrolyte manufacturer.
almost1337@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 112d
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 112d
Day 3, dead?
sundray@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 112d
Hey! That’s not for people! It’s for Kristen Schall!
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 112d
What does she have to do with it?
sundray@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 112d
It's from a sketch! (Invidious link)
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 112d
Ah thanks!
You'd think the BBC would be able to spell her name correctly though.
Etterra@discuss.online · 4 pts · 112d
The English actually really suck at English.
vga@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 111d
Better run a marathon or you die
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 111d
Get some ivermectin while you’re there. I heard it cures EVERYTHING
genuineparts@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 112d
It's the neigh stuff!