People refusing to work for them would put a quick end to them.
They need us way more than we need them. They're the parasites, we're the hosts.
If you know someone who works directly under a billionaire's umbrella, shame them. Make it uncool to work at Meta, or SpaceX, selling Teslas, or Amazon at any level. Make it uncool to work on their yachts, or in their homes, or as their driver, etc.
We DO have the power, we need to exercise it together.
I 90% agree with, but given the state of the economy, lots of people gotta pay the bills and finding another job is difficult if not impossible right now. And that's exactly by design. Not to mention working inside one of these companies comes with the potential for sabotage. Maybe lets not shame people who don't get the luxury of choice right now.
And of course, encourage union participation as well as any form of sabotage that one can perform that won't end in the death or harm of innocents.
Those companies haven't been "cool" to work at for a while now, but they're prestigious because they pay so much and people care about money and status.
I've always heard that the ceramic on spark plugs, when smashed to manageable pieces, makes excellent material for destroying electronics when propelled by a 12g round.
Definitely the second, the second is 10000x worse.
If someone is only worth "that little" but society provides free healthcare, childcare, education, price controlled utilities, housing, and food, and income security through some form of universal income, and everything was clean and green because billionaires didn't exist and the extra gold hoarding blood money went into society and making sure the earth would stay safe for humans, everyone would be much better off.
A high net worth isn't needed when all of your basic needs are covered and billionaires aren't ramming prices of everything up 2-10x
Because there is an impending global catastrophe they have determined is unavoidable and unpreventable that they have kept under wraps due to the inevitable collapse of society once people learn of it. This is why there are no long term plans for anything anymore. Because there won't be a long term.
There never were long term plans. Market economics is an evolutionary system. Business are the organisms with that system (so are nations, and any other organization made of people, really). So long as a business metabolizes human labor into profit, it continues. What looks like planning was really just ~two centuries of exponential growth. There is no driver's seat, not really. The capitalist that forsakes profit doesn't stay a capitalist long. The system itself imposes a greater selective pressure than any individual human will. It will outlast last its components... until it doesn't. Nothing can maintain both exponential growth and equilibrium within it's environment.
They are not living in reality anymore. There is something within these Techbros that denies consensus reality and substitutes some kind of simulation of their own.
That's the reason this guy can build a bunker on an island close to the water on a volcano.
There is also some interesting symbolism in there.
They feel the need to hide from the people, because they know they would face the fate of Johan de Witt if the people ever found out what they did to them.
There's something that happens to your brain when you get lots of money it seems.
Sam Bankman-Fried the disgraced crypto entrepreneur was an effective altruist with a few of his coworkers and their goal was helping people. I was reading up on them and it was initially about feeding people and earning money to give to others. When they started getting more and more money they were like: "what if there's a zombie outbreak?" Obviously, we're really smart and society needs people like us to survive so we should be spending money on private islands and having our own country to make sure we can keep humanity going or some shit. It was weird.
Despite what anything thinks about Bill Burr now ... I think he had a really good point about these "end of the world" catastrophes -- I simply don't want to be alive for any of them. I don't wanna be scrounging around the remnants of humanity with a dying ecosystem and dwindling human race.
I agree with Burr's sentiment. I've seriously started thinking about selling my stuff and maybe go a few places to see ppl I care about once more and just exiting when I'm totally broke. Fuck it.
Hot spots are by nature in constant flux. Kauai isn't nearly far enough from the main plume to say for absolute certainty that a flare in the mantle couldn't cause the dormant volcano there to reactivate. At the very least there are seismic events to consider. There was a 6.0 quake about a week ago just outside of Kona. That is plenty to potentially cause a landslide of cave-in on Kauai. These could also cause tsunamis which could cause all sorts of issues for a bunker.
The Hawaiian Islands are an archipelago, the furthest being Kure Atoll which is about 30 million years old. The hot spot that has created this archipelago is activating volcanos on the Big Island, as well as the Kamaʻehuakanaloa Seamount.
The reason the volcanos on Kauai are extinct is the direction the Pacific tectonic plate is moving.
I made no arguments against any other type of events affecting his future crypt, only that Kauai is not an island with an active volcano.
The volcano on Kauai is classed as extinct, which means it has not erupted in the last 10,000 years. You are right there. My point is that there are plenty of documented cases of extinct volcanoes reactivating. Hayli Gubbi in Ethiopia and Fourpeaked in Alaska are both examples.
Come on. If you had all the money in the world you'd probably build one too, tbh. I know i would. I would build a freaking underground network like extra homes. It would be awesome
but yeah, zuck probably is doing it for evil reasons.
They don't know how much food I let sit in the fridge and rot to pieces before it gets touched. May the rich rot in their own made hell holes while the world moves on.
The collars will be vibe coded by the lowest bidder's roommate's nephew and will immediately explode once the doors are closed leaving them effectively stranded inside, helpless to watch on the security cameras as the concrete trucks roll up to seal off the doors...
Why is a horde of geese raising the usaian flag? Because usaians aren't doing s***
In fact, they elected a rapist to president and their reaction to a major pedophile conspiracy being uncovered in their government is to seethe on the interwebs
The response from overseas is sort of confusing. He's a dictator. He doesn't need to be voted for. That's not how being a dictator works. Dictators always say that they won the vote, but they didn't. We have an electoral college which was established when black men won their right to vote, so we didn't elect our presidents in the past, not even under "normal" circumstances before the establishment of this regime. Our political system hasn't ever worked the way you imagine, at least not to my knowledge. Can you explain more how you imagine elections work? (said in good faith)
The 'response from overseas' comes from a decade of watching trump politics gain favour in the US. Massive rallies about making America great again, and taking your country back rhetorics, even after all the Epstein stuff came about, the religion of trump flourished in America.
Sure, you can claim that he's a dictator now. But only because americans have allowed him to become one. That's why the overall sentiment from the rest of the world is negative. Americans made this monster, and now it's the world that has to deal with his bullshit.
That's not to say america wasn't already fucking everyone else over, that's the American way and has been happening since they discovered stars and put them on fabric. But Trump has exacerbated that issue, and the American people are complicit for supporting the growth of such a monster; it's fresh to Americans, because now even the American people are on the receiving end. But for the rest of us, this is the same story just worse.
I'm not saying this applies to you personally btw, I'm just trying to share the honest sentiment around Americans as a whole. There will undoubtedly be exceptions to the rule, but from an overseas perspective, there's been nowhere near enough.
The ‘response from overseas’ comes from a decade of watching trump politics gain favour in the US. Massive rallies about making America great again, and taking your country back rhetorics, even after all the Epstein stuff came about, the religion of trump flourished in America.
Those are on TV (edit: or on the news). Those rallies aren't "massive" according to the reports I've read, and they do not take place in my part of the country, so I have no idea how big they really are. I've read reports of smallish crowds, rather than the large crowds Trump reports. One of us is probably believing propaganda, but I have no idea which one.
Sure, you can claim that he’s a dictator now. But only because americans have allowed him to become one.
That isn't how power works in my country.
American people are complicit for supporting the growth of such a monster;
If you have a plan on how we should free ourselves, I'm all ears.
I’m not saying this applies to you personally btw, I’m just trying to share the honest sentiment around Americans as a whole.
Do you visit here often? What are you basing this opinion on?
...what? No. I'm genuinely asking how you came to this conclusion. It seems like you got here by viewing propaganda and not by talking to Americans in real life. I don't want to make that assumption about you, and that's why I'm asking for clarity. I didn't vote for Trump. My part of the country holds massive rallies against him, and I know they're massive because I can see them with my eyes.
How did you come to this conclusion? Was it from reading the news? Watching TV? Talking to people? Do you know a lot of American Trump supporters? I know a few of them, but I wouldn't say they are the majority, they are mostly very old people who watch Fox News all day and are in mental decline. I don't know these people in a social context. I do not see the world from the news reflected in my day to day. Support for Trump is, from my perspective, entirely manufactured by the media.
edit: Even if it wasn't... we can't vote him out, and we couldn't vote him in. We can't meaningfully vote for the president.
And if you hate Trump so much, how come that's my fault and not Trumps? How come you let Trump into your country and let him shake hands with your leaders, but you won't let me seek asylum?
Like the majority of Americans, I am being targeted by this regime. This regime has promised to exterminate me, my relatives, my friends, and the people who live in my neighborhood. ICE took three of my neighbors a few weeks ago.
How that my fault? Why does Trump deserve to go to Europe, but not me?
I honestly wouldn't read too much into these bunkers. Wealth inequality is the bigger issue. Zuck has a net worth of about $220 billion. $100 million to Zuck is like a middle class family with a net worth of $300k spending $136. An underground bunker for Zuck is like dinner and a few drinks for most people.
So why do they have bunkers? Because they can. If you could build a doomsday bunker under your house for a hundred bucks, wouldn't you? People invest far more than that in storm shelters. Read something sinister into it if you want. But this seems like a "because we can" expense more than anything.
This is a reasonable analysis. I guess because we are in a (silent) Cold War 2.0 and the world population became disillusioned with globalisation, billionaires building their own bunker is their insurance policy should the world is thrown into another chaos. After all, many countries who could afford did build bunkers for their citizens during the first Cold War, in case we decide launch nukes and extinct ourselves. Billionaires building their own bunkers is not different.
But on the one hand, there could be something intentionally sinister. Several billionaires, especially Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, are accelerationists. They see the world is going to end and so might as well speed it up and get on with. Although, they want to rule the ashes after. That's their idea.
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of any of this bullshit is the knowledge that these fuckers will at best live a few weeks longer than me after it all goes to shit. In that time they'll have plenty of opportunity to reflect on where they went wrong.
No they won't. Locking yourself in a bunker is about the worst thing you can do in a major crisis. At worst, you are locking yourself in with your own murderers, at best your supplies will dwindle until you have nothing and die. Real life crisis scenarios prove that peppers are only the haves for about an extra week before they join the have-nots. The only way through hardship is together.
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MoonMelon@lemmy.ml · 78 pts · 67d
Zuck building a bunker for his ex-military head of security who will murder him instantly.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 67d
Murder him? Nahh put the explosive collar on his neck with help of the IT guy and make him a bitch boy.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 67d
People refusing to work for them would put a quick end to them.
They need us way more than we need them. They're the parasites, we're the hosts.
If you know someone who works directly under a billionaire's umbrella, shame them. Make it uncool to work at Meta, or SpaceX, selling Teslas, or Amazon at any level. Make it uncool to work on their yachts, or in their homes, or as their driver, etc.
We DO have the power, we need to exercise it together.
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 67d
Making it uncoool is cool, but more importantly, unionize.
Murse@slrpnk.net · 21 pts · 67d
Hang on a sec, some of these jobs come with the opportunity to, uh, do something very cool.
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DaedalousIlios@pawb.social · 2 pts · 67d
I 90% agree with, but given the state of the economy, lots of people gotta pay the bills and finding another job is difficult if not impossible right now. And that's exactly by design. Not to mention working inside one of these companies comes with the potential for sabotage. Maybe lets not shame people who don't get the luxury of choice right now.
And of course, encourage union participation as well as any form of sabotage that one can perform that won't end in the death or harm of innocents.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 67d
Those companies haven't been "cool" to work at for a while now, but they're prestigious because they pay so much and people care about money and status.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 36 pts · 67d
What is their plan when we just pour two meters of concrete on the bunker entrances?
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 67d
They're already working on that
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 15 pts · 67d
Are those things emp proof?
Elting@piefed.social · 18 pts · 67d
Seems like a well thrown bucket of paint would probably disable those things.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 9 pts · 67d
Have you seen the price of paint lately? Mud might be the better option. From the bottom of a latrine.
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 67d
Resourceful!
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 67d
Don't even need an emp they probably go down with .22
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 67d
I would expect them to be. It seems like a very obvious flaw if not. Though with hubris more obvious things have been ignored before
pennomi@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 67d
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 3 pts · 67d
That's the pr line the robotics company says. While mysteriously also having government contracts
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
Drones will be banned soon, so if you have any ideas in that area, you should stock up.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
Do you know how to build an EMP?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 67d
Buck shot, pit traps, or just cages will be lower tech solutions
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 67d
If I've learned anything from robot combat shows is that robots can't deal with any entanglement device like strings and nets.
Widdershins@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
You can build a net gun out of PVC, a sprinkler valve, an air gun nozzle, and a net.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Or just get close to it and throw the net on it. It's not like they're going to bite you. They're mobile surveillance cameras.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 67d
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 67d
$300,000 robot dog vs hole with blanket over it.
Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 67d
I've always heard that the ceramic on spark plugs, when smashed to manageable pieces, makes excellent material for destroying electronics when propelled by a 12g round.
Never tried it though...kind of curious.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 67d
We called those ninja rocks when I was a kid. They break car windows really really well.
Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 67d
Good to know lol
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 67d
Rodeo skills gunna be back in fashion lol
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Building a pulse seems difficult. Building something that can generate a pulse is manageable.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 67d
The more important question is: are they very, VERY good boys who like belly scritches and fetching sticks?
ceenote@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 67d
No.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 67d
Shame. Maybe with a better firmware...
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 67d
Spray foam insulation would be more efficient, and it fits in a backpack instead of requiring a giant cement truck.
It could even be mounted to an RC helicopter if the robodog swarms are too thick...
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 67d
I need to be protected from millions of angry people.
How about robot dogs?
Won't they need maintenance?
We will have maintenance people.
Won't they need power?
We will have a power plant with operators running it.
Won't we need replacement parts?
We will have manufacturing facility with operators running it.
Won't we need to house all the people running our infustructure?
We will build them living facilities and pay them wages.
Won't they want families and a fulfilling life?
We will provide resources for them to prosper.
Isn't that called society, you know, the people that want to kill me?
Thats why we have the robot dogs.
timewarp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
They plan to rape and torture the kids you sealed inside the Cuckerberg Zio-compound.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 67d
A sacrifice I'm willing to make.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 67d
They aren’t “all of a sudden”. They’ve been bunkering up for decades.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 67d
It's also not necessarily indicative of anything. $100M is nothing for Zuckerberg, about 0.05% of his estimated net worth.
For context, excluding billionaires, your average 42 year old American (Zuckerberg's age) is worth about $135k*. 0.05% of $135k is about $68.
Given the choice, would you spend $68 to completely cover you just in case the world falls apart? Most people would. I certainly would.
*That still includes some pretty wealthy people that skew it higher, so don't feel bad if you're not even close in net worth. I'm sure not!
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
I don’t know what’s worse. That ~40 year olds are worth so little or that the “$68” is so little of Zuck’s worth.
JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 66d
Definitely the second, the second is 10000x worse.
If someone is only worth "that little" but society provides free healthcare, childcare, education, price controlled utilities, housing, and food, and income security through some form of universal income, and everything was clean and green because billionaires didn't exist and the extra gold hoarding blood money went into society and making sure the earth would stay safe for humans, everyone would be much better off.
A high net worth isn't needed when all of your basic needs are covered and billionaires aren't ramming prices of everything up 2-10x
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 67d
Because there is an impending global catastrophe they have determined is unavoidable and unpreventable that they have kept under wraps due to the inevitable collapse of society once people learn of it. This is why there are no long term plans for anything anymore. Because there won't be a long term.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 67d
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 67d
There never were long term plans. Market economics is an evolutionary system. Business are the organisms with that system (so are nations, and any other organization made of people, really). So long as a business metabolizes human labor into profit, it continues. What looks like planning was really just ~two centuries of exponential growth. There is no driver's seat, not really. The capitalist that forsakes profit doesn't stay a capitalist long. The system itself imposes a greater selective pressure than any individual human will. It will outlast last its components... until it doesn't. Nothing can maintain both exponential growth and equilibrium within it's environment.
ActualGrapesTasteGreen@piefed.zip · 21 pts · 67d
It's much easier to clog up air intakes than storm an above ground building
ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 67d
Mix bleach and ammonia and pipe the fumes in...
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 67d
Literally the first thing I thought of.
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 67d
They know climate change is an extremely major problem
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 67d
And, while they have the resources to do something to prevent it, they chose instead to make the situation worse.
M137@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 67d
Because they only care about their own well-being, as long as they have their money, stuff and slaves everything else can burn.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 67d
He is building a bunker mistakenly thinking it will not be his tomb.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 67d
Cosplaying a "survivor"
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 67d
Build an underground bunker on an active volcano. I see no possible problem with this plan.
Brummbaer@pawb.social · 15 pts · 67d
They are not living in reality anymore. There is something within these Techbros that denies consensus reality and substitutes some kind of simulation of their own.
That's the reason this guy can build a bunker on an island close to the water on a volcano.
There is also some interesting symbolism in there.
They feel the need to hide from the people, because they know they would face the fate of Johan de Witt if the people ever found out what they did to them.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 67d
There's something that happens to your brain when you get lots of money it seems.
Sam Bankman-Fried the disgraced crypto entrepreneur was an effective altruist with a few of his coworkers and their goal was helping people. I was reading up on them and it was initially about feeding people and earning money to give to others. When they started getting more and more money they were like: "what if there's a zombie outbreak?" Obviously, we're really smart and society needs people like us to survive so we should be spending money on private islands and having our own country to make sure we can keep humanity going or some shit. It was weird.
Despite what anything thinks about Bill Burr now ... I think he had a really good point about these "end of the world" catastrophes -- I simply don't want to be alive for any of them. I don't wanna be scrounging around the remnants of humanity with a dying ecosystem and dwindling human race.
Hatshepsut@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
I agree with Burr's sentiment. I've seriously started thinking about selling my stuff and maybe go a few places to see ppl I care about once more and just exiting when I'm totally broke. Fuck it.
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
Nu uh uh you can't get out of it that easy. You have to suffer like the rest of us.
tektite@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 67d
There are no active volcanos on Kauai; they are only active above the hot spot which Kauai has been moving away from for about 5 million years.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 67d
High time to check in again, then
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Hot spots are by nature in constant flux. Kauai isn't nearly far enough from the main plume to say for absolute certainty that a flare in the mantle couldn't cause the dormant volcano there to reactivate. At the very least there are seismic events to consider. There was a 6.0 quake about a week ago just outside of Kona. That is plenty to potentially cause a landslide of cave-in on Kauai. These could also cause tsunamis which could cause all sorts of issues for a bunker.
tektite@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 67d
The Hawaiian Islands are an archipelago, the furthest being Kure Atoll which is about 30 million years old. The hot spot that has created this archipelago is activating volcanos on the Big Island, as well as the Kamaʻehuakanaloa Seamount.
The reason the volcanos on Kauai are extinct is the direction the Pacific tectonic plate is moving.
I made no arguments against any other type of events affecting his future crypt, only that Kauai is not an island with an active volcano.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 66d
The volcano on Kauai is classed as extinct, which means it has not erupted in the last 10,000 years. You are right there. My point is that there are plenty of documented cases of extinct volcanoes reactivating. Hayli Gubbi in Ethiopia and Fourpeaked in Alaska are both examples.
BenLeMan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
It's the perfect place for petting their white cat and berating their henchmen while waiting for James Bond to storm the place.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 12 pts · 67d
Come on. If you had all the money in the world you'd probably build one too, tbh. I know i would. I would build a freaking underground network like extra homes. It would be awesome
but yeah, zuck probably is doing it for evil reasons.
marcos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
I have asked several times to myself how deep one must burrow a CNC mill until it can run all night without bothering anyone...
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 2 pts · 67d
I want an underground comfy game room, next to the simulator room.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
No, I would help others before getting anywhere near that rich. We are not the same.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d
Im fantasizing, and you're taking a simple thing seriously. We are definitely not the same.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 67d
The flag is hilarious...
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 67d
Yeah, the U.S. as a country is way too comfortable with this behavior.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 67d
exactly, right
PillowD@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 67d
The joke's on them, we'll just weld the doors shut from the outside.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 67d
Seeing as it's in Hawaii I'm hoping it fills with magma.
Napster153@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Concrete on the air vents.
I'm too smart to know some of these Feudalists are dumb enough to cut corners in their own safety plan.
HorikBrun@kbin.earth · 10 pts · 67d
They are trying to avoid being eaten when the time comes.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 67d
They don't know how much food I let sit in the fridge and rot to pieces before it gets touched. May the rich rot in their own made hell holes while the world moves on.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 67d
This delights me... to be a fly on the wall of that bunker!
Should he ever use it, he'll find out that locking himself in with his staff was a massive error in judgment. They will tear him apart.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 67d
I'm sure these billionaires have found a solution that makes perfect sense to them.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
The collars will be vibe coded by the lowest bidder's roommate's nephew and will immediately explode once the doors are closed leaving them effectively stranded inside, helpless to watch on the security cameras as the concrete trucks roll up to seal off the doors...
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 67d
When they all go to their bunkers, we should block the doors and build an equitable society
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 67d
The billionaires are going to bury themselves, you say?
stenAanden@feddit.dk · 8 pts · 67d
Why is a horde of geese raising the usaian flag? Because usaians aren't doing s***
In fact, they elected a rapist to president and their reaction to a major pedophile conspiracy being uncovered in their government is to seethe on the interwebs
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
Because they make a lot of noise and that's about it.
sureshot0@discuss.online · -3 pts · 67d
The response from overseas is sort of confusing. He's a dictator. He doesn't need to be voted for. That's not how being a dictator works. Dictators always say that they won the vote, but they didn't. We have an electoral college which was established when black men won their right to vote, so we didn't elect our presidents in the past, not even under "normal" circumstances before the establishment of this regime. Our political system hasn't ever worked the way you imagine, at least not to my knowledge. Can you explain more how you imagine elections work? (said in good faith)
Javi@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 67d
The 'response from overseas' comes from a decade of watching trump politics gain favour in the US. Massive rallies about making America great again, and taking your country back rhetorics, even after all the Epstein stuff came about, the religion of trump flourished in America.
Sure, you can claim that he's a dictator now. But only because americans have allowed him to become one. That's why the overall sentiment from the rest of the world is negative. Americans made this monster, and now it's the world that has to deal with his bullshit.
That's not to say america wasn't already fucking everyone else over, that's the American way and has been happening since they discovered stars and put them on fabric. But Trump has exacerbated that issue, and the American people are complicit for supporting the growth of such a monster; it's fresh to Americans, because now even the American people are on the receiving end. But for the rest of us, this is the same story just worse.
I'm not saying this applies to you personally btw, I'm just trying to share the honest sentiment around Americans as a whole. There will undoubtedly be exceptions to the rule, but from an overseas perspective, there's been nowhere near enough.
sureshot0@discuss.online · -2 pts · 67d
Those are on TV (edit: or on the news). Those rallies aren't "massive" according to the reports I've read, and they do not take place in my part of the country, so I have no idea how big they really are. I've read reports of smallish crowds, rather than the large crowds Trump reports. One of us is probably believing propaganda, but I have no idea which one.
That isn't how power works in my country.
If you have a plan on how we should free ourselves, I'm all ears.
Do you visit here often? What are you basing this opinion on?
Javi@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 67d
Ah so you weren't interested in the overseas sentiment at all, you're just looking to excuse yourself from the culpability.
Atleast we know which category you fit in I guess.
sureshot0@discuss.online · 1 pts · 67d
...what? No. I'm genuinely asking how you came to this conclusion. It seems like you got here by viewing propaganda and not by talking to Americans in real life. I don't want to make that assumption about you, and that's why I'm asking for clarity. I didn't vote for Trump. My part of the country holds massive rallies against him, and I know they're massive because I can see them with my eyes.
How did you come to this conclusion? Was it from reading the news? Watching TV? Talking to people? Do you know a lot of American Trump supporters? I know a few of them, but I wouldn't say they are the majority, they are mostly very old people who watch Fox News all day and are in mental decline. I don't know these people in a social context. I do not see the world from the news reflected in my day to day. Support for Trump is, from my perspective, entirely manufactured by the media.
edit: Even if it wasn't... we can't vote him out, and we couldn't vote him in. We can't meaningfully vote for the president.
And if you hate Trump so much, how come that's my fault and not Trumps? How come you let Trump into your country and let him shake hands with your leaders, but you won't let me seek asylum?
Javi@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 67d
sureshot0@discuss.online · 1 pts · 66d
Like the majority of Americans, I am being targeted by this regime. This regime has promised to exterminate me, my relatives, my friends, and the people who live in my neighborhood. ICE took three of my neighbors a few weeks ago.
How that my fault? Why does Trump deserve to go to Europe, but not me?
SethW@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
stenAanden@feddit.dk · 0 pts · 67d
DING DING DING
sureshot0@discuss.online · 0 pts · 67d
????
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 66d
I honestly wouldn't read too much into these bunkers. Wealth inequality is the bigger issue. Zuck has a net worth of about $220 billion. $100 million to Zuck is like a middle class family with a net worth of $300k spending $136. An underground bunker for Zuck is like dinner and a few drinks for most people.
So why do they have bunkers? Because they can. If you could build a doomsday bunker under your house for a hundred bucks, wouldn't you? People invest far more than that in storm shelters. Read something sinister into it if you want. But this seems like a "because we can" expense more than anything.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
This is a reasonable analysis. I guess because we are in a (silent) Cold War 2.0 and the world population became disillusioned with globalisation, billionaires building their own bunker is their insurance policy should the world is thrown into another chaos. After all, many countries who could afford did build bunkers for their citizens during the first Cold War, in case we decide launch nukes and extinct ourselves. Billionaires building their own bunkers is not different.
But on the one hand, there could be something intentionally sinister. Several billionaires, especially Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, are accelerationists. They see the world is going to end and so might as well speed it up and get on with. Although, they want to rule the ashes after. That's their idea.
Baphometti@szmer.info · 2 pts · 66d
It's his version of a mancave.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 67d
The only satisfaction I'm getting out of any of this bullshit is the knowledge that these fuckers will at best live a few weeks longer than me after it all goes to shit. In that time they'll have plenty of opportunity to reflect on where they went wrong.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 67d
No they won't. Locking yourself in a bunker is about the worst thing you can do in a major crisis. At worst, you are locking yourself in with your own murderers, at best your supplies will dwindle until you have nothing and die. Real life crisis scenarios prove that peppers are only the haves for about an extra week before they join the have-nots. The only way through hardship is together.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 67d
After having pissed off the have-nots by being insufferable selfish assholes...
BetaBlake@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 67d
Underground? On an island? On a volcano?
You fool!
Zephorah@discuss.online · 6 pts · 67d
It would be highly karmic if a natural seismic shift made the island tip or break, sinking his bunker to the bottom of the ocean.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 67d
Or an earthquake collapsed the bunker on top of him the day after he went in.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 3 pts · 67d
That would be the proper end of it was a movie or TV series.
Seriously though. These guys are draining the money from the world, building bunkers, and with the full knowledge the rest of us will burn.
Fix nothing. Save yourself.
Apeman42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
It's like quuuaaaaakes, on your bunker day...
Zephorah@discuss.online · 2 pts · 67d
An island seems a poor choice, especially one in the pacific, if the big one hits.
Even if all is well, any people left are going to destroy or take whatever boat you have tucked away.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 67d
Its not really all of a sudden though. These assholes have been building their bunkers for a decade. All part of their schemes.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
Knowing how freaky these tech bros are they probably have people captive in them
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 66d
With suicide collars on their butler's.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 67d
Zuck:
My actions might lead to the most anti social behavior ever conceived including: genocide; cataclysm; and living in a hole in the ground
My mom:
"Likes anti-trans propaganda on Facebook"
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 66d
Because they think a bunker will help them. Eventually people will get so pissed off that even the oligarchs own guards are a risk to them.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
That's why the oligarchs are intent on accelerating the development of AI. They want robot guards that they could have more control over.
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 66d
It's a bunker only if they are the ones who can open the door.
tomiant@piefed.social · 3 pts · 67d
It's got plenty of uses! Like... Hunting!
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 67d
They know exactly how unstable Donald is
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 3 pts · 66d
It would be so fucking funny if nuclear war, instead of some intercontinental nightmare, was just an american civil war.
Well, technically it would still be bad news, but just think about irony...
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 67d
There's a book about that: https://rushkoff.com/books/survival-of-the-richest.html
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 67d
hes building his replacement android bodies, incase the current one gets destroyed he can just upload to a new android body.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
If a time comes where the USSA needs bunkers, I doubt Hawaii is the right place.
They will get decolonized and he will be in hostile territory.
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
Im pretty sure we could starve him out or just seal him in indefinitely to become his body guards concubine
YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 66d
Rape jokes are never funny
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 66d
Maybe they meant seducing the bodyguard into living in zuck's compound in his place.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 66d
He's got to have vents somewhere. I say we poop in his vents.
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
Ig he'll have enough food in there to last a lifetime.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 66d
As long as he never leaves I'm cool with it
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 66d
Well, he's certainly not going down there unless the earth is scorched so...
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 67d
When the end comes he's gonna either fish for the community or become bait for the community fishermen.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
100% within the first few weeks Zuck gets overpowered by his security team and put out on his arse.
belunos@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 66d
To be honest, if I were a tech billionaire, I'd do the same. Not in fear or anything, but to show off how well it was thought out.