I hate the modern ones you need to hover above so they even display, and then it's 1 pixel wide and a shade of grey that's about 2% darker than white.
Less functional and 500 lines of js garbage.
And the look and feel of the scrollbar is generally determined by the browser/OS. Unless someone does a custom scrollbar implementation, but that is exceedingly rare. So that thin rounded gray bar is a browser/OS design, again, without any JS.
And Microsoft Store. And the weather. And also in that edition that literally just launches a browser into a remote machine, they decided to make the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu also a browser. For some reason.
Oh, interesting, that's pretty new. Technically it's not an official part of the W3C spec yet, but it's close enough that browsers support it now. Though, it only allows you to control the bar color, track color (which is generally invisible nowadays, so track color changes nothing), and width. So, yes, more customization than was there before, but still extremely minimal.
JS is a programming language that runs from the website on your computer. By "JS scrollbar" it was meant that the scrollbar is generated by the code, as if it was a program.
CSS is just a sheet of rules on how things should look like, it's not meant to run programs. This person is pointing out you can just tell the browser to add a scrollbar to something using CSS, without programming.
1998 was truly the best time. When all OS widgets looked the same. And could be used in apps, and everything had a consistent look. Yeah you could override this in your app. But fuck people who did that. Everything looked so nice and uniform and you knew what to expect from a widget and its look and behavior. Get off my lawn.
I didn't try it yet, have this open for a while now. 😅
Supposedly, it allows to locate the searched folder, which native only recently added as a context menu.
imho the clustered version of the scroll bar buttons (like in Amiga Workbench 2.0+, Macintosh OS, macOS, KDE) make way more sense to me (minimal mouse movement to change scroll direction) than this spread out layout.
I'd say 2001 and 2006 purely because the scrollbar is textured in a way that make it seem dragable at first glance |=|.
Which is standard by now but still, besides that 1998 has all the other visual cues to denote what's clickable and i would otherwise agree as i generally prefer flatter designs.
Honestly I’m partial to it as well. Possibly for the same reasons, but also because the bar and buttons are clearly defined and have good contrast. The later designs begin to fade out until now the scroll bar is just a thin line, which is sometimes hidden, so you don’t see it unless you’re looking for it.
What about some scrollable window with something like 10k+ lines, though? Sure, if you have a mouse with a free-spinning function, it's still doable, but a draggable scrollbar comes in handy then.
Touchscreens don't have wheels on them. Styluses/pens also don't (usually). The latter usually acts more as a mouse than a touchscreen in software, so you can't scroll by dragging the page.
Yeah they're not great in that regard. Still, i'd expect a setting in accessibility to help with this. I'm not near a computer now but i'll look next time
My only criticism is lack of affordance on the slider. Is the dark part the slider or the light part? Some of the newer ones have the little ridges for "traction".
Definitely either 88 or 98. Large, very visible, no bullshit. I prefer 98, but would also be perfectly happy with 88. The reason I like 98 better than 88 is because 98, while not as high of contrast, is closer to if it's physically there, with shadows and stuff, and therefore visually faster recognizable as a scroll bar, it's more intuitive.
88, because it covers visually impaired better. That higher contrast pays off.
But I remember you could do some color theming for the 98 version, so maybe it couldve been fixed in that regard. And I agree on the design being generally easier to understand.
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InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works · 139 pts · 76d
I hate the modern ones you need to hover above so they even display, and then it's 1 pixel wide and a shade of grey that's about 2% darker than white.
Less functional and 500 lines of js garbage.
chisel@piefed.social · 32 pts · 76d
It's a few lines of css, no JS required.
And the look and feel of the scrollbar is generally determined by the browser/OS. Unless someone does a custom scrollbar implementation, but that is exceedingly rare. So that thin rounded gray bar is a browser/OS design, again, without any JS.
0ops@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 76d
I don't know about scrollbars specifically, but apparently a lot of windows 11 is written in react
Dojan@pawb.social · 10 pts · 76d
It’s the start menu that’s written in react.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 76d
Ew
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 75d
And Microsoft Store. And the weather. And also in that edition that literally just launches a browser into a remote machine, they decided to make the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu also a browser. For some reason.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 75d
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
You can style the native scrollbars with css now
chisel@piefed.social · 1 pts · 75d
Oh, interesting, that's pretty new. Technically it's not an official part of the W3C spec yet, but it's close enough that browsers support it now. Though, it only allows you to control the bar color, track color (which is generally invisible nowadays, so track color changes nothing), and width. So, yes, more customization than was there before, but still extremely minimal.
Starik@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 76d
what
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 66d
JS is a programming language that runs from the website on your computer. By "JS scrollbar" it was meant that the scrollbar is generated by the code, as if it was a program.
CSS is just a sheet of rules on how things should look like, it's not meant to run programs. This person is pointing out you can just tell the browser to add a scrollbar to something using CSS, without programming.
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d
I use pgdn btw.
M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 76d
Some suck, sure, but some work well. The ones on MacOS are good IMO, and some android ones (while others absolutely suck).
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 64 pts · 76d
1998 was truly the best time. When all OS widgets looked the same. And could be used in apps, and everything had a consistent look. Yeah you could override this in your app. But fuck people who did that. Everything looked so nice and uniform and you knew what to expect from a widget and its look and behavior. Get off my lawn.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 75d
That reminds me.
Haven't whipped my llama's ass in a while.
postcapitalism@lemmy.today · 56 pts · 76d
I like how they added some grip between 2001 - 2009 so you would have some traction when you used then
Zorque@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 76d
My cursor kept slipping off them all the time anyway 😢
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 76d
Now you can't even find the fucking thing when you need it. Thanks, "UX design".
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 76d
UX, whatsat?
Also, it completely disappears after a second.
And why is it a different color on the addons page anyway??
antonim@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
Is that add-on good?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 75d
I didn't try it yet, have this open for a while now. 😅
Supposedly, it allows to locate the searched folder, which native only recently added as a context menu.
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 26 pts · 76d
imho the clustered version of the scroll bar buttons (like in Amiga Workbench 2.0+, Macintosh OS, macOS, KDE) make way more sense to me (minimal mouse movement to change scroll direction) than this spread out layout.
errer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d
OS X Lion apparently forgot to add the scroll bar entirely
0ops@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 76d
Hope somebody got fired for that epic blunder
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d
The only one that makes sense.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 76d
System 1 my beloved
zonklezoop@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 76d
2009, pls.
But I guess with the end caps from 2006.
squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 1 pts · 76d
chunes@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 75d
1998 not only had the best scrollbar, but the best UI overall. Shoulda just stopped then and we would have utopia by now
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 75d
I'd say 2001 and 2006 purely because the scrollbar is textured in a way that make it seem dragable at first glance |=|.
Which is standard by now but still, besides that 1998 has all the other visual cues to denote what's clickable and i would otherwise agree as i generally prefer flatter designs.
Strider@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 76d
And then they got thinner every year while screens got wider..
Zorque@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d
But our eyes cant see more than a few pixels wide anyways!
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 76d
An endangered species
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 76d
1998 was in my formative years with computers, so I will always be partial to it. Xfce can get pretty close.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 76d
Honestly I’m partial to it as well. Possibly for the same reasons, but also because the bar and buttons are clearly defined and have good contrast. The later designs begin to fade out until now the scroll bar is just a thin line, which is sometimes hidden, so you don’t see it unless you’re looking for it.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 76d
2012? Elder? Cmon, it wasn't that long ago... wait... no...
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 76d
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d
Story of our society right there
poinck@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d
anugeshtu@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
What about some scrollable window with something like 10k+ lines, though? Sure, if you have a mouse with a free-spinning function, it's still doable, but a draggable scrollbar comes in handy then.
poinck@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 75d
Touchscreens don't have wheels on them. Styluses/pens also don't (usually). The latter usually acts more as a mouse than a touchscreen in software, so you can't scroll by dragging the page.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 75d
I miss my big chonky scroll bars. now they hide them.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
Search for "Always show scroll bars" in settings
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
that'd be helpful if they were wider than 5px.
I'm in my 50s with macular degeneration so seeing small things can be difficult.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
Yeah they're not great in that regard. Still, i'd expect a setting in accessibility to help with this. I'm not near a computer now but i'll look next time
squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 11 pts · 76d
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Spooge@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 76d
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 76d
We peaked in 2009
Rooster326@programming.dev · 11 pts · 76d
What was wrong with the high contrast of 1988?
It is at home in both light and dark mode
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 76d
My only criticism is lack of affordance on the slider. Is the dark part the slider or the light part? Some of the newer ones have the little ridges for "traction".
bstix@feddit.dk · 4 pts · 76d
The issue with 1988 is that it isn't intuitive what the background color is, and thus if the bar is up or down.
The middle years are obvious because of the 3d effect. The last one is obvious because the background is the same for both the arrows and the bar.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
I think the last one is less obvious.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 10 pts · 76d
By 2026 AI does the scrolling for you, a feature made mandatory (all scrollbars removed) in 2028 😭
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 76d
And pauses for 30 seconds over each ad.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 3 pts · 76d
More profitable to deliver ads seamlessly without pausing but shown continuously all the while scrolling. 100% profits!🤑💸
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 76d
From next year the government will be allowed to scroll for you if they deem it in the interest of national security
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 76d
Definitely either 88 or 98. Large, very visible, no bullshit. I prefer 98, but would also be perfectly happy with 88. The reason I like 98 better than 88 is because 98, while not as high of contrast, is closer to if it's physically there, with shadows and stuff, and therefore visually faster recognizable as a scroll bar, it's more intuitive.
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 76d
Give me 98 with the little lines of the next 3. I think it enhances noticeability quite a lot without adding a distracting amount of contrast
los_chill@programming.dev · 5 pts · 76d
Agree. 98 with grip would be my ideal.
SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 76d
88, because it covers visually impaired better. That higher contrast pays off. But I remember you could do some color theming for the 98 version, so maybe it couldve been fixed in that regard. And I agree on the design being generally easier to understand.
rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social · 9 pts · 75d
It never got better than 1998
antonim@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 76d
Do you remember the feel of switching from 1998 to 2001? It felt like stepping into the future.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 76d
1988 still the best one, somehow
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
agreed. no embellishment, just design that makes the functionality obvious.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 76d
Yeah, and then talentless hacks kept fucking with it for almost 40 years just for the sake of fucking with it. Enshittification marches on.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 76d
'98 to '09 was the sweet spot. Textures make the page slider easier to spot and use.
realitista@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 76d
2009 was peak
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 76d
I miss that glass aesthetic from 2001
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
Seems like it’s coming back
dr_robotBones@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 74d
1988 has the best contrast, I like that.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 73d
1988 was just peak ui design
M33@piefed.world · 2 pts · 66d
2026: some invisible or light grey on white background |
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 76d
We've gotta bring back frutiger aero.
arcine@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 53d
Man, we had it right from 1998 to 2001, it only went downhill after that...
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 76d
glibg@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d
I'm partial to 2006