Elder scrolls

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InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works · 139 pts · 76d (12 replies)

I hate the modern ones you need to hover above so they even display, and then it's 1 pixel wide and a shade of grey that's about 2% darker than white.
Less functional and 500 lines of js garbage.

chisel@piefed.social · 32 pts · 76d (9 replies)

It's a few lines of css, no JS required.

.my-div:hover {
  overflow-x: scroll;
}

And the look and feel of the scrollbar is generally determined by the browser/OS. Unless someone does a custom scrollbar implementation, but that is exceedingly rare. So that thin rounded gray bar is a browser/OS design, again, without any JS.

0ops@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 76d (3 replies)

I don't know about scrollbars specifically, but apparently a lot of windows 11 is written in react

Dojan@pawb.social · 10 pts · 76d (2 replies)

It’s the start menu that’s written in react.

criss_cross@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 76d

Ew

diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 75d

And Microsoft Store. And the weather. And also in that edition that literally just launches a browser into a remote machine, they decided to make the Ctrl + Alt + Del menu also a browser. For some reason.

diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 75d

If these kids could read, they would be very upset!

adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d (1 reply)

You can style the native scrollbars with css now

chisel@piefed.social · 1 pts · 75d

Oh, interesting, that's pretty new. Technically it's not an official part of the W3C spec yet, but it's close enough that browsers support it now. Though, it only allows you to control the bar color, track color (which is generally invisible nowadays, so track color changes nothing), and width. So, yes, more customization than was there before, but still extremely minimal.

Starik@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 76d (1 reply)

what

diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 66d

JS is a programming language that runs from the website on your computer. By "JS scrollbar" it was meant that the scrollbar is generated by the code, as if it was a program.

CSS is just a sheet of rules on how things should look like, it's not meant to run programs. This person is pointing out you can just tell the browser to add a scrollbar to something using CSS, without programming.

tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d

I use pgdn btw.

M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 76d

Some suck, sure, but some work well. The ones on MacOS are good IMO, and some android ones (while others absolutely suck).

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 64 pts · 76d (1 reply)

1998 was truly the best time. When all OS widgets looked the same. And could be used in apps, and everything had a consistent look. Yeah you could override this in your app. But fuck people who did that. Everything looked so nice and uniform and you knew what to expect from a widget and its look and behavior. Get off my lawn.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 75d

That reminds me.

Haven't whipped my llama's ass in a while.

postcapitalism@lemmy.today · 56 pts · 76d (1 reply)

I like how they added some grip between 2001 - 2009 so you would have some traction when you used then

Zorque@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 76d

My cursor kept slipping off them all the time anyway 😢

aesthelete@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 76d (3 replies)

Now you can't even find the fucking thing when you need it. Thanks, "UX design".

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 76d (2 replies)

UX, whatsat?

Also, it completely disappears after a second.

And why is it a different color on the addons page anyway??

antonim@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d (1 reply)

Is that add-on good?

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 75d

I didn't try it yet, have this open for a while now. 😅
Supposedly, it allows to locate the searched folder, which native only recently added as a context menu.

DmMacniel@feddit.org · 26 pts · 76d (4 replies)

imho the clustered version of the scroll bar buttons (like in Amiga Workbench 2.0+, Macintosh OS, macOS, KDE) make way more sense to me (minimal mouse movement to change scroll direction) than this spread out layout.

errer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d (2 replies)

OS X Lion apparently forgot to add the scroll bar entirely

0ops@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 76d

Hope somebody got fired for that epic blunder

tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d

The only one that makes sense.

terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 76d

System 1 my beloved

zonklezoop@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 76d (1 reply)

2009, pls.

But I guess with the end caps from 2006.

squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 1 pts · 76d
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chunes@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 75d (1 reply)

1998 not only had the best scrollbar, but the best UI overall. Shoulda just stopped then and we would have utopia by now

BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 75d

I'd say 2001 and 2006 purely because the scrollbar is textured in a way that make it seem dragable at first glance |=|.

Which is standard by now but still, besides that 1998 has all the other visual cues to denote what's clickable and i would otherwise agree as i generally prefer flatter designs.

Strider@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 76d (2 replies)

And then they got thinner every year while screens got wider..

Zorque@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d

But our eyes cant see more than a few pixels wide anyways!

SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 76d

An endangered species

SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 76d (1 reply)

1998 was in my formative years with computers, so I will always be partial to it. Xfce can get pretty close.

cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 76d

Honestly I’m partial to it as well. Possibly for the same reasons, but also because the bar and buttons are clearly defined and have good contrast. The later designs begin to fade out until now the scroll bar is just a thin line, which is sometimes hidden, so you don’t see it unless you’re looking for it.

rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 76d

2012? Elder? Cmon, it wasn't that long ago... wait... no...

sonofearth@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 76d (1 reply)
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tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d

Story of our society right there

poinck@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d (3 replies)
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anugeshtu@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d (1 reply)

What about some scrollable window with something like 10k+ lines, though? Sure, if you have a mouse with a free-spinning function, it's still doable, but a draggable scrollbar comes in handy then.

poinck@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
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diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 75d

Touchscreens don't have wheels on them. Styluses/pens also don't (usually). The latter usually acts more as a mouse than a touchscreen in software, so you can't scroll by dragging the page.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 75d (3 replies)

I miss my big chonky scroll bars. now they hide them.

adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d (2 replies)

Search for "Always show scroll bars" in settings

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d (1 reply)

that'd be helpful if they were wider than 5px.

I'm in my 50s with macular degeneration so seeing small things can be difficult.

adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d

Yeah they're not great in that regard. Still, i'd expect a setting in accessibility to help with this. I'm not near a computer now but i'll look next time

squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 11 pts · 76d

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2020

Spooge@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 76d
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OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 76d (4 replies)

We peaked in 2009

Rooster326@programming.dev · 11 pts · 76d (3 replies)

What was wrong with the high contrast of 1988?

It is at home in both light and dark mode

OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 76d

My only criticism is lack of affordance on the slider. Is the dark part the slider or the light part? Some of the newer ones have the little ridges for "traction".

bstix@feddit.dk · 4 pts · 76d (1 reply)

The issue with 1988 is that it isn't intuitive what the background color is, and thus if the bar is up or down.

The middle years are obvious because of the 3d effect. The last one is obvious because the background is the same for both the arrows and the bar.

davidagain@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d

I think the last one is less obvious.

OpenStars@piefed.social · 10 pts · 76d (3 replies)

By 2026 AI does the scrolling for you, a feature made mandatory (all scrollbars removed) in 2028 😭

terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 76d (1 reply)

And pauses for 30 seconds over each ad.

OpenStars@piefed.social · 3 pts · 76d

More profitable to deliver ads seamlessly without pausing but shown continuously all the while scrolling. 100% profits!🤑💸

SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 76d

From next year the government will be allowed to scroll for you if they deem it in the interest of national security

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 76d (3 replies)

Definitely either 88 or 98. Large, very visible, no bullshit. I prefer 98, but would also be perfectly happy with 88. The reason I like 98 better than 88 is because 98, while not as high of contrast, is closer to if it's physically there, with shadows and stuff, and therefore visually faster recognizable as a scroll bar, it's more intuitive.

kboy101222@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 76d (1 reply)

Give me 98 with the little lines of the next 3. I think it enhances noticeability quite a lot without adding a distracting amount of contrast

los_chill@programming.dev · 5 pts · 76d

Agree. 98 with grip would be my ideal.

SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 76d

88, because it covers visually impaired better. That higher contrast pays off. But I remember you could do some color theming for the 98 version, so maybe it couldve been fixed in that regard. And I agree on the design being generally easier to understand.

rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social · 9 pts · 75d

It never got better than 1998

antonim@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 76d

Do you remember the feel of switching from 1998 to 2001? It felt like stepping into the future.

W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 76d (2 replies)

1988 still the best one, somehow

lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d (1 reply)

agreed. no embellishment, just design that makes the functionality obvious.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 76d

Yeah, and then talentless hacks kept fucking with it for almost 40 years just for the sake of fucking with it. Enshittification marches on.

Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 76d

'98 to '09 was the sweet spot. Textures make the page slider easier to spot and use.

realitista@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 76d

2009 was peak

jballs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 76d (1 reply)

I miss that glass aesthetic from 2001

cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d

Seems like it’s coming back

dr_robotBones@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 74d (1 reply)

1988 has the best contrast, I like that.

protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 73d

1988 was just peak ui design

M33@piefed.world · 2 pts · 66d

2026: some invisible or light grey on white background |

Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 76d

We've gotta bring back frutiger aero.

arcine@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 53d

Man, we had it right from 1998 to 2001, it only went downhill after that...

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 76d
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glibg@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d

I'm partial to 2006