well, they say the poors should be happy as their suffering make them closer to god. And so it is in fact a great chance for them to be poor. They will do a little charity and pray for them. Somewhere, poors should thanks the richest for not letting them get richer nor even have a decent life... Common, please, stop believing this is just a lie by the richest to keep a social order overly at their own benefits ; it is a religion for peace and harmony
Mark Twain is extremely based for his time. He's anti-racist and anti-imperialist when everyone else weren't. If there is a time traveller from the future, I believe he is one.
This is a terrible argument… Just look to South Korea for the exact opposite example. 31% Christian, homicide rate at .477 vs Japan’s .229 vs USA’s 5.763, their unhoused population at 2k as well.
And saying % per 100k makes no sense. It’s either x per x people or rate. Not both. Dumb image.
You know, I bet if those heathens in Japan took a little time to pray to Jesus, they could become a people who destroy themselves too. Makes you think.
Yeah, I was about to say, the meme paints Japan as all rosy but collapse can be swift, and it's been increasingly stacking a house of cards with its insane xenophobia and disgusting karoshi (death-by-overwork) culture...
Even when I was a Christian, I already thought Japan not having been Christianised is the best thing that happened for the country (not that it excuses what feudal Japan did to the Christians though).
In a nutshell — those who know Pascal's Wager can just skip to the next paragraph — Pascal's Wager is that if you die believing God exists and you're wrong, that's better than dying believing God doesn't exist and being wrong. So if God is real and you chose Atheism, you wagered poorly. The problem with Pascal's Wager is that it only works with one religion. With thousands, it falls apart; as any Atheist will tell you, the difference between us and a Christian is less than 1% — we both don't believe in thousands of gods.
Japan alone has thousands of gods, but it does not have a traditional "creation myth." Like many pagan countries, it has many deities; however, none of them are creators. They're all responsible for little things, or small areas. Pretty much each shrine you see is to a different one.
Getting into anime, as one does when Japan is brought up, Noragami is about a god (higher power, not supreme being, so lowercase "g") who is trying to make a name for himself, so he works for ¥5 (less than 1¢, IIRC) doing odd jobs, trying to gain favour among the local populace. (It's a bit of a comedy as he is indirectly responsible for killing a high school girl, so he escorts her spirit around trying to bring him back. He also has a father/son relationship of sorts with a little boy who can turn into a weapon for him, though it's not really a fighting anime. His last "weapon" was a teenage girl who left his service in the first episode. The whole anime is comedy/satire.
As for Christians in anime, it's rare but there are stories about them, and they tend to stand out. The Colors Within advertises itself as a movie about a girl who can see colours in people's hearts, but that's barely mentioned once or twice. It's more about a Catholic girl in Japan who plays music and some in her church are against it.
Then there's Mother's Rosary, the seventh Sword Art Online book. If this were a standalone anime, it would probably be in my top 5. As it is, it's the last 7 episodes of season 2, so it's kind of difficult to get to if you're not a fan of the series. The girl featured in the story and her religion being Catholicism doesn't seem that important, but it does play into the story and it informs some of her choices. I'm sure they could have made it work had she not been Catholic, but that's the story as told.
I don't think most Japanese people believe in a creator, per se, but again, like pagans, they do have minor gods they pray to for things like the weather, harvest, luck, and whatnot.
God exists and only accepts those who question his existence because blindingly accepting his existence are not properly utilizing his gift (rational thinking) to mankind.
The hilarious thing is that any time a Christian says god gave us free will it shows how much they haven't read of their own holy book. Free will is found in exactly zero places in the bible.
A little correction, ¥5 is about ¢3 US now but, mor3 importantly, ¥5 is kinda of the standard offering people make at shrines so him doing odd jobs for that price is symbolic of his position in a way.
I studied japanese history for a short time in university when I was entertaining the idea of going for a job in the literary world. I distinctly remember a creation myth, with a goddess named Amaterasu.
because Amarerasu is one of the children of the shinto god Izanagi, hence why idk why someone would claim that japanese dont have a creator god when Izanagi is explicitly a creator god.
Maybe some day as a culture we will have the understanding to acknowledge that Christianity is the problem. Christianity only works if the world perishes, and every day it works to bring that closer.
53 Comments
mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml · 105 pts · 60d
I got too distracted by the bad math writing to even consider the rest of the point.
s23b@programming.dev · 14 pts · 60d
Gives me Verizon Math flashbacks.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 67 pts · 60d
Either there is an extra zero or a missing decimal point?
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 72 pts · 60d
Both of the % signs in the reply should be removed as well.
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip · 83 pts · 60d
"% per 100k" caused physical pain in my head.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 18 pts · 60d
don't you know 07% out of 100k is lower than 05.7k out of 100%
Starik@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 60d
If it’s 5.7% per 100k, what percent is it per 200k?
workerONE@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 60d
11.4%
Starik@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 60d
102.6% per 1800k
workerONE@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 60d
Seems high
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 60d
Ah yes, the classic ‰
^00^OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 60d
Yeah, so with a population of 200k, the homicide rate is 11.4%. The real havoc appears when you approach a population of ~2M and 100% homicide rate.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
Obviously for 200k it's twice the percentage. 🤣
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 36 pts · 60d
I'm also annoyed that they did the homicide rate as per-capita, but the homelessness numbers are given without comparison to total population
jj4211@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 60d
Then going on to cite a specific food security stat on one hand, and leave it vague on the other.
I totally believe the numbers favor them, but that's all the more reason to get them right ..
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 3 pts · 60d
Omg you’re right!
gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 60d
Totally missing a decimal point. The numbers are actually a little off, per my search, but the gist of it is correct.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 60d
And the Lord said unto them, "Why should I pay for your healthcare? Get a job. And cut that hair, young man, you look like a girl!"
- Armaments, 17:31
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 60d
Need a whole bunch of sections of the talibangelical bible.
Hypocrisies
Fallacies
The book of Pedophile
The book of Willful Ignorances
What else?
charonn0@startrek.website · 17 pts · 60d
-Equivocations 4:20
peacepath@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 60d
well, they say the poors should be happy as their suffering make them closer to god. And so it is in fact a great chance for them to be poor. They will do a little charity and pray for them. Somewhere, poors should thanks the richest for not letting them get richer nor even have a decent life... Common, please, stop believing this is just a lie by the richest to keep a social order overly at their own benefits ; it is a religion for peace and harmony
charonn0@startrek.website · 23 pts · 60d
-Mark Twain (The United States of Lyncherdom, 1901)
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 60d
Mark Twain is extremely based for his time. He's anti-racist and anti-imperialist when everyone else weren't. If there is a time traveller from the future, I believe he is one.
tyler@programming.dev · 14 pts · 60d
This is a terrible argument… Just look to South Korea for the exact opposite example. 31% Christian, homicide rate at .477 vs Japan’s .229 vs USA’s 5.763, their unhoused population at 2k as well.
And saying % per 100k makes no sense. It’s either x per x people or rate. Not both. Dumb image.
NewDark@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 60d
I think the point is more so that they're caring about the wrong thing, not that religion is the factor here.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 60d
You know, I bet if those heathens in Japan took a little time to pray to Jesus, they could become a people who destroy themselves too. Makes you think.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 60d
They're destroying themselves in different ways.
Mountainaire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 60d
Yeah, I was about to say, the meme paints Japan as all rosy but collapse can be swift, and it's been increasingly stacking a house of cards with its insane xenophobia and disgusting karoshi (death-by-overwork) culture...
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 60d
Brother, what is going on with the numbers???
Imperious_melange@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 60d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 60d
07% vs 5.7%? did they misplace a decimal point?
I hope they meant 0.7% otherwise their whole argument flips.
Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 60d
The other problem is that you wouldn't put a rate into a rate. It should be 7 in 100k without a percent. The percent doesn't need "in 100k"
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 60d
Even when I was a Christian, I already thought Japan not having been Christianised is the best thing that happened for the country (not that it excuses what feudal Japan did to the Christians though).
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 60d
Japan is also a great answer to Pascal's Wager.
In a nutshell — those who know Pascal's Wager can just skip to the next paragraph — Pascal's Wager is that if you die believing God exists and you're wrong, that's better than dying believing God doesn't exist and being wrong. So if God is real and you chose Atheism, you wagered poorly. The problem with Pascal's Wager is that it only works with one religion. With thousands, it falls apart; as any Atheist will tell you, the difference between us and a Christian is less than 1% — we both don't believe in thousands of gods.
Japan alone has thousands of gods, but it does not have a traditional "creation myth." Like many pagan countries, it has many deities; however, none of them are creators. They're all responsible for little things, or small areas. Pretty much each shrine you see is to a different one.
Getting into anime, as one does when Japan is brought up, Noragami is about a god (higher power, not supreme being, so lowercase "g") who is trying to make a name for himself, so he works for ¥5 (less than 1¢, IIRC) doing odd jobs, trying to gain favour among the local populace. (It's a bit of a comedy as he is indirectly responsible for killing a high school girl, so he escorts her spirit around trying to bring him back. He also has a father/son relationship of sorts with a little boy who can turn into a weapon for him, though it's not really a fighting anime. His last "weapon" was a teenage girl who left his service in the first episode. The whole anime is comedy/satire.
As for Christians in anime, it's rare but there are stories about them, and they tend to stand out. The Colors Within advertises itself as a movie about a girl who can see colours in people's hearts, but that's barely mentioned once or twice. It's more about a Catholic girl in Japan who plays music and some in her church are against it.
Then there's Mother's Rosary, the seventh Sword Art Online book. If this were a standalone anime, it would probably be in my top 5. As it is, it's the last 7 episodes of season 2, so it's kind of difficult to get to if you're not a fan of the series. The girl featured in the story and her religion being Catholicism doesn't seem that important, but it does play into the story and it informs some of her choices. I'm sure they could have made it work had she not been Catholic, but that's the story as told.
I don't think most Japanese people believe in a creator, per se, but again, like pagans, they do have minor gods they pray to for things like the weather, harvest, luck, and whatnot.
Feyd@programming.dev · 17 pts · 60d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_creation_myth
Saganaki@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 60d
God exists and only accepts those who question his existence because blindingly accepting his existence are not properly utilizing his gift (rational thinking) to mankind.
I win Pascal’s Wager.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 60d
I like this. Christians say God gave us free will. Most Christian churches are opposed to free will. It seems to me that they are wrong about that.
HostilePasta@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 60d
The hilarious thing is that any time a Christian says god gave us free will it shows how much they haven't read of their own holy book. Free will is found in exactly zero places in the bible.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 60d
He gave us a brain with which to question, and if he doesn't like it that's on him.
DirtPuddleMisfortune@feddit.org · 3 pts · 60d
Dude (God), this is your fuck up. You gave me free will, you made whores, you have me suck at math. You didn't think this will go off the rails?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrVCvnJk4go at 08:20
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 60d
God exists and isegais any non-believer into a magic fantasy land as yuri high school girls.
Also a win.
Yliaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 60d
How is this an Atheist win?
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 60d
Isn't Izanagi considered a creator god?
TheOctonaut@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 60d
Yeah don't bother discussing actual Japanese culture with the "as one does" anime guy
Sabin10@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 60d
A little correction, ¥5 is about ¢3 US now but, mor3 importantly, ¥5 is kinda of the standard offering people make at shrines so him doing odd jobs for that price is symbolic of his position in a way.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 60d
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 60d
I studied japanese history for a short time in university when I was entertaining the idea of going for a job in the literary world. I distinctly remember a creation myth, with a goddess named Amaterasu.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 60d
because Amarerasu is one of the children of the shinto god Izanagi, hence why idk why someone would claim that japanese dont have a creator god when Izanagi is explicitly a creator god.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 60d
We have a creation myth and how is that anime part at all relevant?
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 59d
1.5% is too damn high!
woh3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 60d
Maybe some day as a culture we will have the understanding to acknowledge that Christianity is the problem. Christianity only works if the world perishes, and every day it works to bring that closer.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 60d
Good job on the Tokugawa Shogunate!
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 60d
Americans still doing their part in the suicide and homicide rate in Japan.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240821/p2a/00m/0na/014000c
Tedesche@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 60d
darthsundhaft@piefed.social · 1 pts · 60d