What they mean is "I couldn't write a 10-page paper without ChatGPT." And because they have very limited imaginations, they can't imagine other people being able to do something they can't.
Too many people canāt see beyond their own little bubble, and have a difficult time if someone challenges their myopic world view. e.g. I see this all too often in software development where developers will make their software āopinionatedā (read: it does what they want it to do, and not whatās necessarily good for their users).
I agree on software to a point. You need some opinions. "everyone will use a mouse and keyboard, fuck controller users" is bad. But you need some direction to get things done "what system will this run on? Everything! So I'm expected to make a rts game similar to statcraft 2 able to be played on the switch? Yes! And controllable with dpad, joystick, mouse, keyboard, touchpad and a paraplegic wheelchair? Yes! Ok, I'll need 20 years to write this, and I'll quit in 4"
Im exaggerating but there does need to limits. "this will be playable on Playstation 5" or "this will require a 2080 or better, we are not supporting a voodoo2 vfx card..."
If more software would focus on it's corr function rather than trying to fit every relevant or irrelevant use case, we'd have a lot less problems with very large rats nests filled with problems
It's hard to imagine not being opinionated, it's all just whether the opinion agrees with yours or not.
Drop down or radio button? It's an opinion about which is better. Braces and semicolons or spaces and newlines? It's an opinion about how to best format machine parsed stuff. Science fiction or fantasy being a better setting for your game, another opinion.
To the extent something might pusue being "unopinionated", I frequently find it tends to erode value. Refusing to pick a lane or even a default means the user has to do so much that the user might as well have done it themselves from scratch. Even in the attempt, they end up with opinionated implementation and documentation, as it's just unavoidable.
Drop down or radio button? Itās an opinion about which is better.
If there's only 2 or 3 options to select between, radio button. Drop down would be absurd; radio button requires fewer clicks to adjust.
If there's 4 or 5, you could go either way, probably more influenced by whatever is more consistent with the rest of the widgets in that menu.
If there's more than 5 options, drop down. Radio buttons would be absurd because it would just take up too much space in the menu to list all the options.
I mean, ruff is an opnionated code formatter. I don't always agree with it but I'm very happy I can shut down other people whining with "that's just how ruff does it".
What they mean is āI couldnāt write a 10-page paper without ChatGPT.ā
We used to have a tradition in this country. A tradition of looking up some other shit people wrote and dumping it into our own lazy, English 101 term papers with the hopes that the graders wouldn't notice.
Are we really so fucking lazy, as a society, that we can't even do plagarism properly anymore?
Unironically, if you arenāt capable of restructuring and consolidating other peopleās ideas into your own format, how many modern office jobs are you even qualified for?
The potential for water damage makes robots less appealing there for the near future.
Waterproofing electronics and robotics is pretty much already a solved problem. And, really, any general purpose labor robot would already have to be waterproofed because, you know, what if it rains?
That said, plumbing repair is indeed likely to be one of the most automation-resistant jobs out there, along with most other renovation and repair jobs on existing buildings. Constructing new buildings could be automated much more easily, because you can control the environment the robots are working in and design the building around what the robots can and can't do.
A new construction plumbing robot, for example, can be guaranteed to easily traverse the construction site because the construction site was built for it, and it only needs the tools and skills to deal with one or two types of piping systems -- the types used in new construction.
A plumbing repair robot, though, would be much more challenging:
It needs to be able to access all kinds of places in all kinds of buildings -- cluttered basements, crawlspaces, attics, inside walls, underground, etc. And to get into those places, it will have to traverse every kind of obstacle imaginable ... and quite a few that the engineers never imagined. ("What do you mean the only way into and out of the basement is by climbing a rope ladder?")
It needs to have the tools and skills to deal with every type of pluming system -- PVC, copper, steel, PEX, etc, etc. (Including systems that use a combination of any and all of those.)
It needs to be able to diagnose and address problems, not just assemble things. Unclogging a drain, finding where a leak is coming from, diagnosing a malfunctioning toilet... It needs to be able to figure out all those kinds of jobs in addition to being able to assemble and install things.
They'll probably get there eventually ... but I'm betting that's one of the last sorts of jobs that robots will take over. Not that being a plumber will save you, though. Not at all. As many other jobs are lost, more and more people will be looking for and competing for the few jobs that are left. Being already in the job, already an incumbent with experience, will be to your advantage, but it won't completely insulate you from your employer laying you off and replacing you with cheap, desperate workers who are willing to do it for minimum wage as long as it keeps them off the streets. And then, to continue working, you'll also need to lower your standards and become one of the desperate, willing to work at minimum wage ... because once we get into a situation where there are far more workers than there are jobs, every job becomes a minimum wage job.
Iām about halfway through my degree and havenāt used AI for any of it š¤·āāļø Including at least two 10 page papers and I donāt even know how many 3-5 page ones, lol. I have no intention of changing that either, why would I want to dilute my writing voice or my line of reasoning throughout the paper? Writing is thinking, there are so many things you think you understand well until you sit down and try to explain it. Thatās the point, thatās the process of learning.
If it was up to me I would accept a student doing a presentation instead of a final paper if they really struggled with writing, because Iāve seen professors do that and I think it teaches just as much (also itās fun to watch people give presentations theyāre enthusiastic about). But it has to be equivalent to the amount of writing youād be doing, like 20 minutes to present 3-4 pages. But either way, AI isnāt going to teach you anything for either of those compared to doing the work yourself.
Oh man, I asked Claude to summarize my commits and changes today, using the voice and structure of my usual daily updates.
It was fucking awful.
Claude spent 5 minutes on this then I had to review and edit anyway. I ended up spending 10 minutes writing down the what+why in a bullet list from scratch and itās 100x clearer and better.
The AI neither did a better job nor saved me time.
I suspect in five years or so final exams will be a 1 on 1, face to face meeting with the teacher where they ask you some softball questions you should be able to answer easily if you did even some of the homework.
I'm in a field that decidedly does not value the written word beyond the minimum they need to understand and write emails, but I had to take a couple of writing classes in college.
I had to write several 10+ page papers, including research papers (like actual research, not "do your own research" research) before LLMs existed and I'm so fucking thankful for it. Nearly every single day I have to read the shit my colleagues write, and it's like they've never read a book in their entire lives. It's honestly tragic.
And this is a field full of ostensibly intelligent people.
I love this take. One suggestion I would make is also rake your knowledge and try to help someone earlier in their journey. Writing is great but you get no feedback immediately(you may get some later).
When you explain something which you only have a surface knowledge of and the other person asks why... That's teaches both of you alot.
The CEO of one of my companies clients literally said they couldn't do their job without Claude when we told him his PC was slowing down to the point of being unusable due to the desktop app and suggested he not use it
It is the prophecy foretold by our entire 20th/21st century concept of Zombies.
Its just that the vector for mind obliteration is primarily digital, not biological or supernatural.
It is the endpoint result of our laziness and preference for convenience.
When the rat in the skinner box gets a button wired to its brain that releases dopamine, the rat just hits the button untill it dehydrates/starves to death.
I read Death by Ecstasy by Larry Niven when I was a kid. The idea of "wire head" has stuck with me. It does look a lot like people staring at their phones, I've noticed.
As people here might notice over time, I write long comments on Lemmy without even noticing, all without AI. I feel like a mutant, though not so much in a good way.
People used to call me the dictionary for having a ton of useless information, but now they call me chatgpt :(
I genuinely worked hard on learning an encyclopedia worth of knowledge and fun facts and I get compared to a hallucinating predictive text model. SMHOAT
That's crazyāIt seems implausible to do that. As far as it goes for meāI can't imagine writing comments without AIāThere's just so many wordsāNo one has time for that.
Tbf, I'm old enough to have known the world before the world wide web, let alone ChatGPT, and I really don't understand how the hell anyone could write an internally consistent 1000+ page book/series.
I've written two books, both well over 100,000 words. While writing the books, I had to read, and re-read them several times, of course. I also spent quite a bit of time researching things, reading parts of other people's books.
The first one I wrote before ChatGPT existed. I finished the second one last year, but I have no idea how to use ChatGPT to write a book, so I didn't try. Besides, writing is fun, why let a stupid machine do it?
From what I've seen, it's to make a knock off of established work and hope people buy it on Amazon thinking they are getting something from an actually good series.
You people do realize this is likely made-up ragebait, right?
As someone currently in college (soon not to be as I am dumb), I believe it. This indeed is how many do assignments, and also study, thus fully trusting the correctness of the information.
But it's coming from both sides.
Lecturer on programming class told us we can ask questions if we have some. Cool, I did.
So I asked, got "That's a good question, let's find out.", he typed out my question to Gemini, and read back the answer.
This was an introductory class to C, and my question was if you can find how much memory was allocated with malloc. His answer was Gemini's answer which was a concrete no.
Stackoverflow however provided me with better information on the matter: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1281720 (possibly yes)
Also, I've seen him ask and copy paste a number from Gemini. I think it was what a max value is for uint32_t.
Putting 2^32^-1 into a calculator? Nah, let's use an inefficient non-deterministic calculator instead.
Lastly, he added "AI is your most patient teacher".
He did the speaking part of lectures above average, but holy information sources...
I watched a TA (teaching assistant) pull up their chatbot history when I challenged my DSA exam grades. I got about 17 points back. My grade went from high 60s to middle 80s.
Also anectode: I personally know of 2 people that sit in the back during 60+ people exams and simply use their phones.
According to the report, the number of freshmen at UC San Diego who did not meet middle-school proficiency standards in mathematics increased nearly 30 times between 2020 and 2025, despite students having taken the required high school math classes.
The report goes on to say that in 2024, two out of five students who needed to take remedial math classes also had to take remedial writing classes.
Back then, you'd find usable info on the web. Now everything is buried under centuries worth of AI slop read. Plus it was more accepted to have blind spots on your knowledge. Now everyone using AI raises some bars and the only sucker not using AI gets a worse grade.
Also most professors try offsetting the cheaters by increasing exam weights, meanwhile people using chatbots finish all their homeworks in like 5 minutes and spend rest of their time studying for the test specifically.
No, I understand it's not about the specific technology, but I thought you were trying to imply that they were similar and that they produce the same results in reference to writing papers. My apologies if that was incorrect.
what I meant is that new technologies tend to make people forget how things were done before they existed.
in the older example, my reply would be a sarcastic, "try a library!" Because that's how we did research before we could just look anything up on the internet.
hell, there was a time when I wasn't allowed to hand in my homework typed, as my teachers didn't believe that I had completed the work myself unless they saw it in my own handwriting-- even though they were fully aware that was taking typing/computer classes. (elementary school in the 80s was... very different).
Having to write a book report in fifth grade on an author of a book and a book itself with only a school library or a local library available to you was an entire journey, not an afternoon. It took, like, a week, and you had to learn how to write footnotes and end notes with complete references and formatting and everything.
End during that journey, you had to learn a lot about how to do all of those things before you could even get at the information you wanted or needed.
When people say āthings were better then, a lot of times that may be what they were referring to, because if I wanted to write a book report about, āto kill a Mockingbirdā, I had to learn a lot just to get to that information. And that was the point of it. The exercise itself taught us in ported skills we would need for similar tasks in the future.
Now, with AI, Iāve put more effort into this comment then some kid does to produce a 10 page essay about that book and the author without even having to read the book.
I've been seeing more and more tradies respond to customer enquiries with llm generated emails. AFAIC that instantly means you get shitlisted.
If you can't even write a fucking email you are not working on my house. This is supposed to be your field of expertise and you outsourced even talking about it to something using fucking reddit and facebook as sources
Yup. This applies to every technology post-enlightenment technology. We didn't need cars, we didn't need the internet, we didn't need phones, we didn't need TV, we didn't need X-rays, we didn't need pharmaceuticals, we didn't need automated production and we certainly don't need anything to think for us.
I author those kinds of papers routinely for work unfortunately. Usually closer to 30-40 pages but there are graphs so I guess that takes a few pages off. Butā¦.yeahā¦
It's strawman rage bait.
You can say the same thing about sailing vs combustion engine shipping, programming via C on notepad vs modern development environments and languages, etc.
The missing context is the time required when you know what you're doing. And yeah sometimes walking is still faster than driving a car.
But let's not pretend we're not seeing a major shift like industrialization or the internet. Both of which have fucked up society and the world in countless ways as much as it has benefited us.
I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.
What's the cost? Probably not pretty, but the deadline is a lot shorter than it used to be now. And that's the reality most people will find themselves in now.
I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.
The difference is that, despite you knowing how to reach the end goal, someone who doesn't understand any of what you do could match your output of "a couple days" in 3-4 days' time. It cheapens the value of actually understanding what you're talking about. Using LLMs might feel more immediately productive, but in the long term it's diluting the skill pool, making it harder to distinguish between deep and shallow knowledge, and allowing (the idea of) merit-based priority to land upon those who don't deserve it more often than it already does (not that I believe our society is largely merit-based anyways).
Sure, the knowledgable can get a lot more done in less time, but the unknowledgable can more easily pretend to be knowledgable, and that technical debt will accumulate heavily over time.
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OwOarchist@pawb.social · 123 pts · 57d
What they mean is "I couldn't write a 10-page paper without ChatGPT." And because they have very limited imaginations, they can't imagine other people being able to do something they can't.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 57d
Unironically, this. š
Too many people canāt see beyond their own little bubble, and have a difficult time if someone challenges their myopic world view. e.g. I see this all too often in software development where developers will make their software āopinionatedā (read: it does what they want it to do, and not whatās necessarily good for their users).
I digress. š
vrek@programming.dev · 10 pts · 57d
I agree on software to a point. You need some opinions. "everyone will use a mouse and keyboard, fuck controller users" is bad. But you need some direction to get things done "what system will this run on? Everything! So I'm expected to make a rts game similar to statcraft 2 able to be played on the switch? Yes! And controllable with dpad, joystick, mouse, keyboard, touchpad and a paraplegic wheelchair? Yes! Ok, I'll need 20 years to write this, and I'll quit in 4"
Im exaggerating but there does need to limits. "this will be playable on Playstation 5" or "this will require a 2080 or better, we are not supporting a voodoo2 vfx card..."
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 57d
I like opinionated software with very few exceptions like Apple killing save as
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 57d
In other words: you like opinionated software so long as they share your opinion. Thatās an important distinction.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
Correct and in open source there is a lot of choices that do the same thing so I have a plethora of options.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 57d
If more software would focus on it's corr function rather than trying to fit every relevant or irrelevant use case, we'd have a lot less problems with very large rats nests filled with problems
jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
It's hard to imagine not being opinionated, it's all just whether the opinion agrees with yours or not.
Drop down or radio button? It's an opinion about which is better. Braces and semicolons or spaces and newlines? It's an opinion about how to best format machine parsed stuff. Science fiction or fantasy being a better setting for your game, another opinion.
To the extent something might pusue being "unopinionated", I frequently find it tends to erode value. Refusing to pick a lane or even a default means the user has to do so much that the user might as well have done it themselves from scratch. Even in the attempt, they end up with opinionated implementation and documentation, as it's just unavoidable.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 57d
If there's only 2 or 3 options to select between, radio button. Drop down would be absurd; radio button requires fewer clicks to adjust.
If there's 4 or 5, you could go either way, probably more influenced by whatever is more consistent with the rest of the widgets in that menu.
If there's more than 5 options, drop down. Radio buttons would be absurd because it would just take up too much space in the menu to list all the options.
jtrek@startrek.website · 1 pts · 57d
I mean, ruff is an opnionated code formatter. I don't always agree with it but I'm very happy I can shut down other people whining with "that's just how ruff does it".
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 57d
Same with black
otacon239@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
Thatās actually an option you can revert.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
How?
otacon239@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
I combine two tricks:
Go to System Preferences > General and enable Ask to keep changes when closing documents
Option + Shift + Command + S or hold Option in the File menu and Duplicate will switch to Save As
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Thank you, I'll give it a try when I get home.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 57d
We used to have a tradition in this country. A tradition of looking up some other shit people wrote and dumping it into our own lazy, English 101 term papers with the hopes that the graders wouldn't notice.
Are we really so fucking lazy, as a society, that we can't even do plagarism properly anymore?
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 57d
Unironically, if you arenāt capable of restructuring and consolidating other peopleās ideas into your own format, how many modern office jobs are you even qualified for?
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 57d
That's okay. Chatgpt is taking those jobs too.
I suggest we all get into plumbing. The potential for water damage makes robots less appealing there for the near future.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 57d
Waterproofing electronics and robotics is pretty much already a solved problem. And, really, any general purpose labor robot would already have to be waterproofed because, you know, what if it rains?
That said, plumbing repair is indeed likely to be one of the most automation-resistant jobs out there, along with most other renovation and repair jobs on existing buildings. Constructing new buildings could be automated much more easily, because you can control the environment the robots are working in and design the building around what the robots can and can't do.
A new construction plumbing robot, for example, can be guaranteed to easily traverse the construction site because the construction site was built for it, and it only needs the tools and skills to deal with one or two types of piping systems -- the types used in new construction.
A plumbing repair robot, though, would be much more challenging:
It needs to be able to access all kinds of places in all kinds of buildings -- cluttered basements, crawlspaces, attics, inside walls, underground, etc. And to get into those places, it will have to traverse every kind of obstacle imaginable ... and quite a few that the engineers never imagined. ("What do you mean the only way into and out of the basement is by climbing a rope ladder?")
It needs to have the tools and skills to deal with every type of pluming system -- PVC, copper, steel, PEX, etc, etc. (Including systems that use a combination of any and all of those.)
It needs to be able to diagnose and address problems, not just assemble things. Unclogging a drain, finding where a leak is coming from, diagnosing a malfunctioning toilet... It needs to be able to figure out all those kinds of jobs in addition to being able to assemble and install things.
They'll probably get there eventually ... but I'm betting that's one of the last sorts of jobs that robots will take over. Not that being a plumber will save you, though. Not at all. As many other jobs are lost, more and more people will be looking for and competing for the few jobs that are left. Being already in the job, already an incumbent with experience, will be to your advantage, but it won't completely insulate you from your employer laying you off and replacing you with cheap, desperate workers who are willing to do it for minimum wage as long as it keeps them off the streets. And then, to continue working, you'll also need to lower your standards and become one of the desperate, willing to work at minimum wage ... because once we get into a situation where there are far more workers than there are jobs, every job becomes a minimum wage job.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 57d
For the most part the way the average user isā¦ well using chatbots and shit is basically just automated plagiarism on one level or another
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 57d
Right wing "thought" in a nutshell right here too
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
"If I have not experienced [Insert thing here] it doesn't exist and is just a myth"
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 45 pts · 57d
Iām about halfway through my degree and havenāt used AI for any of it š¤·āāļø Including at least two 10 page papers and I donāt even know how many 3-5 page ones, lol. I have no intention of changing that either, why would I want to dilute my writing voice or my line of reasoning throughout the paper? Writing is thinking, there are so many things you think you understand well until you sit down and try to explain it. Thatās the point, thatās the process of learning.
If it was up to me I would accept a student doing a presentation instead of a final paper if they really struggled with writing, because Iāve seen professors do that and I think it teaches just as much (also itās fun to watch people give presentations theyāre enthusiastic about). But it has to be equivalent to the amount of writing youād be doing, like 20 minutes to present 3-4 pages. But either way, AI isnāt going to teach you anything for either of those compared to doing the work yourself.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 57d
Oh man, I asked Claude to summarize my commits and changes today, using the voice and structure of my usual daily updates.
It was fucking awful.
Claude spent 5 minutes on this then I had to review and edit anyway. I ended up spending 10 minutes writing down the what+why in a bullet list from scratch and itās 100x clearer and better.
The AI neither did a better job nor saved me time.
I think youāre doing the right thing.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 57d
I suspect in five years or so final exams will be a 1 on 1, face to face meeting with the teacher where they ask you some softball questions you should be able to answer easily if you did even some of the homework.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 57d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 57d
I'm in a field that decidedly does not value the written word beyond the minimum they need to understand and write emails, but I had to take a couple of writing classes in college.
I had to write several 10+ page papers, including research papers (like actual research, not "do your own research" research) before LLMs existed and I'm so fucking thankful for it. Nearly every single day I have to read the shit my colleagues write, and it's like they've never read a book in their entire lives. It's honestly tragic.
And this is a field full of ostensibly intelligent people.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Some would say the fact that your colleagues clearly didn't need to take those classes means you shouldn't have either.
I would not say that, I love writing.
vrek@programming.dev · 2 pts · 57d
I love this take. One suggestion I would make is also rake your knowledge and try to help someone earlier in their journey. Writing is great but you get no feedback immediately(you may get some later).
When you explain something which you only have a surface knowledge of and the other person asks why... That's teaches both of you alot.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 57d
I'm not gonna feel any kind of sorry for an idiot that cannot imagine not needing a machine to do all of their thinking for them.
That's a literal real world NPC right there.
And shit, that's an insult to a fair number of NPCs, who have better writing, voice acting, and potentially GOAP driven tactics.
Fuck, sometimes even better facial animations.
ReHomed@lemmy.cafe · 19 pts · 57d
Watching so many functioning adults and people alike just lobotomize themselves immediately when AI became a thing is just so fucking tragic
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 57d
The CEO of one of my companies clients literally said they couldn't do their job without Claude when we told him his PC was slowing down to the point of being unusable due to the desktop app and suggested he not use it
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 5 pts · 57d
Higher cognitive skills are a nightmare from which they managed to awake.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 57d
It is the prophecy foretold by our entire 20th/21st century concept of Zombies.
Its just that the vector for mind obliteration is primarily digital, not biological or supernatural.
It is the endpoint result of our laziness and preference for convenience.
When the rat in the skinner box gets a button wired to its brain that releases dopamine, the rat just hits the button untill it dehydrates/starves to death.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
I read Death by Ecstasy by Larry Niven when I was a kid. The idea of "wire head" has stuck with me. It does look a lot like people staring at their phones, I've noticed.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 57d
Theyāre probably voting thoughā¦
rodneylives@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 57d
As people here might notice over time, I write long comments on Lemmy without even noticing, all without AI. I feel like a mutant, though not so much in a good way.
Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 57d
People used to call me the dictionary for having a ton of useless information, but now they call me chatgpt :(
I genuinely worked hard on learning an encyclopedia worth of knowledge and fun facts and I get compared to a hallucinating predictive text model. SMHOAT
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 57d
That's crazyāIt seems implausible to do that. As far as it goes for meāI can't imagine writing comments without AIāThere's just so many wordsāNo one has time for that.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 57d
The longer comments I write get the fewest upvotes.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 57d
Maybe you should turn your comments to tiktok dances?
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Maybe people just don't like your opinions
Venat0r@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 57d
not that it can't be done,just you specifically couldn't do it š (j/k)
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 14 pts · 57d
Have they ever heard of books? Whole volume with up to several thousand pages written by people.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 57d
Tbf, I'm old enough to have known the world before the world wide web, let alone ChatGPT, and I really don't understand how the hell anyone could write an internally consistent 1000+ page book/series.
Writers are witches.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 57d
Back before the internet became so addictive, I could write and write and write for long periods. Nowadays I have a really short attention span.
I do try to write hand-written letters every year, but work and chores and everything keeps getting in the way.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
I've written two books, both well over 100,000 words. While writing the books, I had to read, and re-read them several times, of course. I also spent quite a bit of time researching things, reading parts of other people's books.
The first one I wrote before ChatGPT existed. I finished the second one last year, but I have no idea how to use ChatGPT to write a book, so I didn't try. Besides, writing is fun, why let a stupid machine do it?
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
From what I've seen, it's to make a knock off of established work and hope people buy it on Amazon thinking they are getting something from an actually good series.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 57d
"There's no way you could write a 10 page paper without ChatGPT"
Pulls out a novel
Pulls out medical journal
Pulls out documentation for home insurance
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
chatgpt please summarize all 3 of these
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 56d
This novel is about a vampire who found love
This medical journal suggests Cancer is bad
This home insurance covers fire damage
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 56d
i just read 3 whole books in a hour everyone, its so easy
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 57d
Really? This shit made front page twice?
You people do realize this is likely made-up ragebait, right? You really got energy for this?
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 57d
As someone currently in college (soon not to be as I am dumb), I believe it. This indeed is how many do assignments, and also study, thus fully trusting the correctness of the information.
But it's coming from both sides.
Lecturer on programming class told us we can ask questions if we have some. Cool, I did.
So I asked, got "That's a good question, let's find out.", he typed out my question to Gemini, and read back the answer.
This was an introductory class to C, and my question was if you can find how much memory was allocated with malloc. His answer was Gemini's answer which was a concrete no.
Stackoverflow however provided me with better information on the matter: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1281720 (possibly yes)
Also, I've seen him ask and copy paste a number from Gemini. I think it was what a max value is for
uint32_t.Putting 2^32^-1 into a calculator? Nah, let's use an inefficient non-deterministic calculator instead.
Lastly, he added "AI is your most patient teacher".
He did the speaking part of lectures above average, but holy information sources...
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 57d
I watched a TA (teaching assistant) pull up their chatbot history when I challenged my DSA exam grades. I got about 17 points back. My grade went from high 60s to middle 80s.
Also anectode: I personally know of 2 people that sit in the back during 60+ people exams and simply use their phones.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
You can pick nits that OP's specific quote didn't happen if you want to bother checking. I don't care.
UC San Diego freshmen not prepared for college-level math, writing classes: Report
Student prompted ChatGPT to write about "homeliness" and not "homelessness."
Made my kids write an essay...the tears OMG the tears!
Una@europe.pub · 10 pts · 57d
Nah your lying. People back than had AI programmed directly inside there head. Nowadays kids have to use external AI models.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 57d
AI in this case meant "Actual Intelligence."
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 57d
Back then, you'd find usable info on the web. Now everything is buried under centuries worth of AI slop read. Plus it was more accepted to have blind spots on your knowledge. Now everyone using AI raises some bars and the only sucker not using AI gets a worse grade.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Things were already pretty bad under 'clickbait' slop, AI has certainly exacerbated the issue.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
Also most professors try offsetting the cheaters by increasing exam weights, meanwhile people using chatbots finish all their homeworks in like 5 minutes and spend rest of their time studying for the test specifically.
homes@piefed.world · 8 pts · 57d
Replace this with āwithout the Internetā, and I remember having this exact same conversation 25 years ago.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 57d
The internet is completely different, it's not an LLM.
homes@piefed.world · 6 pts · 57d
I didnāt say that the internet and LLMs were the same, but that the above conversation and ones Iād had about the internet were.
I think you misunderstood the context; this was about writing papers unassisted by technology, not about the specific technology involved.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 57d
No, I understand it's not about the specific technology, but I thought you were trying to imply that they were similar and that they produce the same results in reference to writing papers. My apologies if that was incorrect.
homes@piefed.world · 4 pts · 57d
what I meant is that new technologies tend to make people forget how things were done before they existed.
in the older example, my reply would be a sarcastic, "try a library!" Because that's how we did research before we could just look anything up on the internet.
hell, there was a time when I wasn't allowed to hand in my homework typed, as my teachers didn't believe that I had completed the work myself unless they saw it in my own handwriting-- even though they were fully aware that was taking typing/computer classes. (elementary school in the 80s was... very different).
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 57d
Yeah, makes sense from that angle. Thanks.
homes@piefed.world · 3 pts · 57d
Having to write a book report in fifth grade on an author of a book and a book itself with only a school library or a local library available to you was an entire journey, not an afternoon. It took, like, a week, and you had to learn how to write footnotes and end notes with complete references and formatting and everything.
End during that journey, you had to learn a lot about how to do all of those things before you could even get at the information you wanted or needed.
When people say āthings were better then, a lot of times that may be what they were referring to, because if I wanted to write a book report about, āto kill a Mockingbirdā, I had to learn a lot just to get to that information. And that was the point of it. The exercise itself taught us in ported skills we would need for similar tasks in the future.
Now, with AI, Iāve put more effort into this comment then some kid does to produce a 10 page essay about that book and the author without even having to read the book.
How far we have backslid
kastledlg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 57d
Remember ripping off a ten pager in college the night before because you worked all week and procrastinated? I do
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 57d
Valuable life skill (being good at bullshitting with little to no preparation)
Taleya@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 56d
I've been seeing more and more tradies respond to customer enquiries with llm generated emails. AFAIC that instantly means you get shitlisted.
If you can't even write a fucking email you are not working on my house. This is supposed to be your field of expertise and you outsourced even talking about it to something using fucking reddit and facebook as sources
Loui@feddit.org · 1 pts · 56d
As far as some costumers are concerned talking to them is all we should do. As though they are our only costumers.
No! We have shit to do! Being on the phone holding your hand all day doesn't get us paid.
GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 57d
The Feeling of Power by Isaac Asimov: https://archive.org/download/TheFeelingOfPower/The%20Feeling%20of%20Power.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 57d
This kid's going to lose their mind when they find out about books.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 57d
Have these shitgurgling fuckwits ever heard of a goddamn book?
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 57d
Those big stacks of flat wood from the before fore?
Heat many boilers to keep turbines spinning with those. The machine gods demand it
StopTech@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 57d
Yup. This applies to every technology post-enlightenment technology. We didn't need cars, we didn't need the internet, we didn't need phones, we didn't need TV, we didn't need X-rays, we didn't need pharmaceuticals, we didn't need automated production and we certainly don't need anything to think for us.
vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 4 pts · 57d
FYI
https://ea.rna.nl/2026/06/07/anthropic-openai-may-be-spending-more-than-1000-for-every-100-you-pay-them/
Beth@piefed.social · 2 pts · 57d
I author those kinds of papers routinely for work unfortunately. Usually closer to 30-40 pages but there are graphs so I guess that takes a few pages off. Butā¦.yeahā¦
ebber@europe.pub · 1 pts · 57d
I never learned to bullshit much, and my default behaviour when i don't know shit is doing nothing. Can anyone explain why i didn't get a degree?
Soleos@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 57d
It's strawman rage bait. You can say the same thing about sailing vs combustion engine shipping, programming via C on notepad vs modern development environments and languages, etc.
The missing context is the time required when you know what you're doing. And yeah sometimes walking is still faster than driving a car. But let's not pretend we're not seeing a major shift like industrialization or the internet. Both of which have fucked up society and the world in countless ways as much as it has benefited us.
I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.
What's the cost? Probably not pretty, but the deadline is a lot shorter than it used to be now. And that's the reality most people will find themselves in now.
TheOakTree@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 55d
The difference is that, despite you knowing how to reach the end goal, someone who doesn't understand any of what you do could match your output of "a couple days" in 3-4 days' time. It cheapens the value of actually understanding what you're talking about. Using LLMs might feel more immediately productive, but in the long term it's diluting the skill pool, making it harder to distinguish between deep and shallow knowledge, and allowing (the idea of) merit-based priority to land upon those who don't deserve it more often than it already does (not that I believe our society is largely merit-based anyways).
Sure, the knowledgable can get a lot more done in less time, but the unknowledgable can more easily pretend to be knowledgable, and that technical debt will accumulate heavily over time.